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http://apnews1.iwon.com//article/200411 ... e&SEC=news

This is a big loss for Bush. Many in the Arab world actually liked him.

WASHINGTON (AP) - Secretary of State Colin Powell, who pleaded President Bush's case for ousting Iraq's Saddam Hussein to a skeptical U.N. Security Council, told top aides Monday he will resign from the Cabinet, high-ranking State Department officials said.

Powell, who long has been rumored planning only a single term with Bush, told his aides that he intends to leave once Bush settles on whom to succeed him, said the officials, speaking on condition of anonymity.

Word of Powell's imminent departure kicked off a new week of Cabinet shuffling for Bush, who is planning his second term.

"I do expect some announcements shortly regarding members of the Cabinet," White House press secretary Scott McClellan told reporters at the White House Monday morning. "There are a few resignation. I expect four today."


McClellan said he did not expect any announcements Monday on replacements, however.

The White House was preparing an announcement to confirm Powell's resignation. According to one official, Powell expects that his departure date will be sometime in January. It was not immediately clear whether he would leave before Bush's second inauguration, on Jan 20.

Most of the speculation on a successor has centered on U.N. Ambassador John Danforth, a Republican and former U.S. senator from Missouri, and national security adviser Condoleezza Rice.

Powell has had a controversial tenure in the secretary of state's job, reportedly differing on some key issues at various junctures with Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld. Powell, however, has generally had good relations with his counterparts around the world, although his image standing has been strained by the U.S.-led war in Iraq.

Powell, a former chairman of the military Joint Chiefs of Staff, led the Bush administration argument at the United Nations for a military attack to oust Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein, arguing a weapons-of-mass-destruction threat that the administration could never buttress.


Powell submitted his letter of resignation to the President on Friday. He will go about his usual schedule and will continue at full speed until a successor is named and in place, a senior administration said.

Powell was scheduled to meet later Monday with Israeli Foreign Minister Silvan Shalom and was to attend a meeting of Asian officials in Chile Wednesday and a mutinational conference on Iraq next week.

He told some two dozen staff members of his projected departure at the start of the day.

For many months, Powell had been viewed as a one-term secretary of state but he has always been vague about his intentions. He had said repeatedly in recent weeks that he serves at "the pleasure of the president."

One senior official said that Powell's departure was part of a much broader Cabinet shakeup, details of which should be disclosed soon.

There had been speculation that Powell might elect to stay on until after the Iraqi elections at the end of January, but the senior official made no reference to that possibility.

Iraq has dominated Powell's attention during his nearly four years as secretary of state. Powell will perhaps be best remembered for that U.N. Security Council appearance on Feb. 5, 2003, during which he argued that Saddam must be removed because of its possession of weapons of mass destruction.

There is no evidence that those claims had any foundation. Powell has maintained all along that the use of force of by the American coalition in Iraq was justified.
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Powell said he would be leaving a long time ago. Powell is a man of integrity, as a good soldier he followed his commander and cheif and lied to the UN, but he isn't going to set himself up to have to do it again...

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Powell's a republican I'd vote for... though he did lose a lot of integrity points for his "Saddam's LEGO factories of DOOM" presentation.
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Enter Guliani.

Marbus, I see you've been feasting on the all-you-can-eat idiot trough again. Grats.

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I think the best example of Colin Powell being undermined by the rest of the administration came during his first or second trip to talk to the main players in the Israeli/Palestinian conflict. As he was heading to talk to Arafat about the roadmap, the press secretary at the time (Ari Fleisher?) basically said that the U.S. didn't consider Arafat a player in the process any more. Apparently, this was news to Powell... who was there to specifically talk to Arafat because he was a player in the process. That must have been an awkward meeting. Can't believe he stayed as long as he did.

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Powell was expected to leave. I don't think his heart has ever been into politics. His wife didn't want him to run as a VP in 2000.

He had a good career. He's an excellent speaker and should make mega bucks on the public speaking tour or just enjoy his retirment.
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and national security adviser Condoleezza Rice.
Please no :(

Powell was a good man and he was probably one of the most respected membre of Bush's team in Europa
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Personally I would vote for Powell in almost any office. He seems to be a good man and not a zealot. Seebs I don't know what meds you are on but I pray that someday you wake up to reality :) if you don't though I'm sure someone will have a book in the next 20 years that will explain it all for you...

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Seebs wrote:Enter Guliani.
For fuck sake, what is it about people that have made this guy so amazing? What the fuck has he done that's so special? His city got blown to shit, he showed his face around like every other baby licking politician would for the cameras. Big. Fucking. Deal.

Talk about fucking lemmings swarming to the media like teenage boys to a soggy biscuit party.
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Bad news for persons living in Reality. Powell asked to stay on through April or so to assist with the transition in Palestine and the resumption of Israeli/Palestinian conflict.

i think this is a pretty arrogant move by the Bush admin, because I have a hard time thinking Rice will do a better job with regards to that conflict. But if Bush wants somebody to reinforce his opinion of what he should do there without actually analyzing the situation, then yeah she's probably a good selection.
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Theres no way Rice will command anywhere near as much respect as Colin Powell.
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Okay .. no Guliani. Um, how about Shwartzkoff? Nimitz? Ike? Ghandi?

I have a feeling any Republican I list you'd not be pleased with. so .... come up with someone.
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Doesn't have to be a Republican. Personally (and I know it would be a cold day in hell for both sides if this happened) I think that Clinton would be a great front man for the U.S. on the Palestinian/Isreali situation. He was one of the few people with the personal presence to get the two sides into a room and talking.

As for Republicans who would be willing to do it? Who knows. In this administration secretary of state hasn't exactly been the best of positions.

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GO BUSH
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Seebs wrote:Okay .. no Guliani. Um, how about Shwartzkoff? Nimitz? Ike? Ghandi?

I have a feeling any Republican I list you'd not be pleased with. so .... come up with someone.
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Hey far right and leftwing morons,
Cabinet overhauls are not unusual for presidents who win a second term. By late November 1996, seven members of President Clinton's Cabinet had announced plans to leave. Three months later, two more had resigned. After President Reagan's 1984 re-election, about half of his Cabinet was replaced.
So this is NOT news beyond the fact it is happening, no major plot points or conspiracy theory.
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Post by Animalor »

Condoleza Rice is a "yesman" pure and simple.

The administrator will go from horrible to much much worse if/when she's given the post.
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Don't see anyone but you mentioning conspiracy theories here. So that one is all on you.

Grats Bush on getting rid of the one person with integrity and respect world wide. And then putting Rice in? Talk about going from a big positive to a huge negative.
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When will the worries of impending doom cease from you guys =p
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Xorian wrote:
and national security adviser Condoleezza Rice.
Please no :(

Powell was a good man and he was probably one of the most respected membre of Bush's team in Europa
change most respected to only respected

The best thing Bush could do is appoint a liberal democrat, if he really cares about bringing the country togeather and not just talking out of his ass

I wish all presidents wouldnt be such partisan hacks and hire "the best man" not "the best yes man in my party"

In 2008 if any side wants to win, they will hire a member of the opposite party to run for VP

Think of how great a Clark/McCain ticket would have been, they would have won the greatest landslide victory since regan
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Oh happy day!


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Condoleezza Rice to Be Named Secretary of StateNational Security Adviser Is Bush's Choice to Replace Powell

Nov. 15, 2004 — National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice, one of President Bush's closest counselors, will be nominated to replace Colin Powell as secretary of state, ABC News has learned.

Senior administration sources confirmed that Rice would be Bush's choice. The news comes just hours after the White House announced Powell had submitted his resignation.

Powell submitted his resignation on Friday, though his departure was not announced until today.

The retired four-star general was known for his moderate views and for clashing with members of the administration on the issue of Iraq. Even so, it was Powell who went before the United Nations in February of 2003 to make a case for the U.S.- led invasion of Iraq.

Rice, if confirmed by the Senate, will take over the job of international diplomat during a war that has divided the nation and the world.

A Stellar Academic Career

The new post comes as a sort of birthday present for Rice, who turned 50 on Sunday.

Rice was the first female U.S. national security adviser. She would be only the second woman and second African-American to be appointed secretary of state.

Born and raised in segregated Birmingham, Ala., Rice was the child of two educators. After her father took a job in Denver, Rice decided to take college courses while still in high school. She was just 19 years old when she graduated from the University of Denver.

Although she was initially interested in music, Rice began studying the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe. She earned her master's degree from the University of Notre Dame in 1975; and received her doctorate from the Graduate School of International Studies at the University of Denver in 1981. In 1981 she began teaching at Stanford University, where she would later serve six years as provost.

In 1989, the first President Bush's national security adviser, Brent Scowcroft, helped convince her to leave Stanford and work for him in Washington. She quickly became one of George H.W. Bush's most trusted advisers. From 1989 through March 1991, the period of German reunification and the final days of the Soviet Union, she served in the first Bush administration as director and then senior director of Soviet and East European Affairs in the National Security Council, and a special assistant to the president for national security affairs.
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Rekaar. wrote:When will the worries of impending doom cease from you guys =p
When the neverending flow of naive stupidity will stop from you.

I don't see anybody talking about impending doom here. People are saying (and rightfully so) that Powell was the one person of the Bush administration that had a shot at making some headway outside of the US. Rice is hated at the same level as Rumsfeld and is considered not trustworthy.
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damn, bush must be pretty godamned insecure to appoint a yesman to arguably the 3rd most important job in the government. Diversity, we need new faces and godamned diversity, maybe if we had politically integrated admins our country wouldnt be so godamned polarized
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Seebs wrote:Okay .. no Guliani. Um, how about Shwartzkoff? Nimitz? Ike? Ghandi?

I have a feeling any Republican I list you'd not be pleased with. so .... come up with someone.
Guliani isn't anything special, sorry but he was driving NYC into the ground, his polls 9/10 were horrific, noone wanted him around, everyone wanted him gone. He performed admirably under pressure but certainly is in no position to be an important political figure in any party.
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Guiliani is good if you want stuff to be cleaned up in a nazi-like fashion.

edited: I made up a word.
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Thess wrote:Guiliani is good if you want stuff to be cleaned up in a naziesque fashion.
Since you put it that way, he fits in with the Bush camp just fine.
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Thess wrote:Guiliani is good if you want stuff to be cleaned up in a nazi-like fashion.

edited: I made up a word.
It is okay Thess, you can make up words. Hell Xzion thinks in the same thread that Clark would have made a good president, when his party had the much more capable Dean running. Compared to that making up words is nothing.
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Pherr the Dorf wrote: He performed admirably under pressure but certainly is in no position to be an important political figure in any party.
I thought you were talking about Bush there for a moment...
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Animalor wrote:
Pherr the Dorf wrote: He performed admirably under pressure but certainly is in no position to be an important political figure in any party.
I thought you were talking about Bush there for a moment...
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Kylere wrote:
Thess wrote:Guiliani is good if you want stuff to be cleaned up in a nazi-like fashion.

edited: I made up a word.
It is okay Thess, you can make up words. Hell Xzion thinks in the same thread that Clark would have made a good president, when his party had the much more capable Dean running. Compared to that making up words is nothing.
I think kerry and dean would have been much better then clark...unfortunately they wouldnt have gotten elected, and clark would have...
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Animalor wrote:Condoleza Rice is a "yesman" pure and simple.
They want someone who will do what they're told to do. If she fits...

Neither Powell or Ashcroft were a good fit in the administration. Danforth wouldn't be either for that matter.
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condoleza rice is an ugly incompetent piece of shit, i want to wretch and beat her face in every time i see her on tv.
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Atleast Rice isn't in charge of our security any more....

But the black caucus only has one person who will greet them now
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