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NEAR FALLUJA, Iraq (CNN) -- A company commander of the Iraqi security forces who received a full briefing on the expected Falluja assault is missing from a military base where U.S. and Iraqi troops are preparing for the possible operation.

The captain, a Kurd with no known ties to the Sunni city of Falluja, is thought to have taken notes from the battle briefing late Thursday. U.S. Marines and his fellow Iraqi officers found no sign of him Friday morning, except for his uniform and a weapon on his cot.

Marines are concerned that the information he knows could be passed along to insurgents. U.S. military sources believe insurgents have friends in the military and government.

The captain commands a company of about 160 men. He is among 10,000 U.S. and Iraqi forces expected to take part in the operation.

Marines say the captain's disappearance won't alter the tactics or timing of the Falluja operation.

Coalition officials hope the missing captain, who was not named, has merely headed home.

Most Kurds in Iraq live in the northeast corner of the country, several hundred miles from Falluja.

Falluja has been in insurgent hands since late April, when Marines were ordered to withdraw from the city's perimeter.

Responsibility for the city was given to a squad of former Iraqi soldiers and police who were from the city, but the insurgency has continued.

The Abu Musab al-Zarqawi terror network is based in Falluja, according to the U.S. and Iraqi governments.

The group has taken responsibility for car bombings, kidnappings and beheadings throughout Iraq. In mid-October, a statement from the terror group posted on an Islamist Web site declared allegiance to Osama bin Laden.
Ok, so. We give a guy a full briefing of our plans. He goes MIA almost immedately after (next day). He may have notes on our strat to take out the city. And the best line of that? They are NOT going to alter tactics or the timing of the operation.

Now, I hope, I so badly hope, that this is a great smokescreen designed to misinform them of our intentions, because it's safe to say that they have this guy, in one form or another. I fhe went willingly, it's bad, if he wasn't so willing, it may even be worse. But to not alter tactics? Good freaking lord. If I was about to have my city, and I came into possession of the enemy's war plans, I'd *like* to think I'd be able to mount a defense capable of either stopping them (if possible) or severely hurting them (if not).

Military people.. what's your take?
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Post by Winnow »

Change the plans.

If the guy did give them to the insurgents and we redesign our plans, it can only help us. It would be worse if they didn't know the guy went missing.
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Marines say the captain's disappearance won't alter the tactics or timing of the Falluja operation.
See previous rant.
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Disinformation: When you say what your opponent wants to hear and hope he keeps believing it.

No plan survives contact with tht enemy and I bet they changed theirs in many vital ways, it all comes down to the fact that the military does not have to tell the truth about a current or future op.
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Well the army isnt likely to be fighting in a way that will allow the insurgents much chance to do damage regardless, and their record is pretty good for that, so I suspect it wont make much difference to the assault. Its in the patrolling after the fact that the troops are getting picked away at. In formal assaults theyre actually usually pretty safe, perversely enough.

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He mustve been an reservist ;)
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Stay the Course!
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Do you think they're going to announce that they'll be changing their plans?
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What's to change?

Old Plan: bomb the shit out of it first, then go in shooting.

New Plan: bomb the shit out of it first, then go in shooting.
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Akaran_D wrote: Now, I hope, I so badly hope, that this is a great smokescreen designed to misinform them of our intentions, because it's safe to say that they have this guy, in one form or another. I fhe went willingly, it's bad, if he wasn't so willing, it may even be worse. But to not alter tactics? Good freaking lord. If I was about to have my city, and I came into possession of the enemy's war plans, I'd *like* to think I'd be able to mount a defense capable of either stopping them (if possible) or severely hurting them (if not).
Military people.. what's your take?
Even if they do have plans... it's not very likely that they will be much of an obstacle, they are simply outmatched... and very heavily. Let them be stupid and think they are going to stop the US Military from going in. They will be in for a rude awakening.

This isn't going to be an unarmored convoy or a small patrol they will be facing. These people will be looking to just steamroll whatever gets in their way, and that's exactly what will happen.

If I were in their shoes, knowing what I know, I'd be trying to get the heck out of there as fast as I could.
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What, no "changing plans"="flip-flop" comments?
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Kylere wrote:Disinformation: When you say what your opponent wants to hear and hope he keeps believing it.

No plan survives contact with tht enemy and I bet they changed theirs in many vital ways, it all comes down to the fact that the military does not have to tell the truth about a current or future op.
Actually Kylere does have a point. The best thing they could do is say there not changing plans, but im sure they will alter the attack based on whatever information was lost
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The guy was a Captain. He most likely will not have enough information to hurt the troops at all. He was probably just briefed on what his particular company was doing and those nearest him. He may have also been given codes and frequencies for teh battle. As previously said, attacking Fallujah isn't a video game where you can plan down to the last door. Once the enemy is met, all plans are crap. My guess is that the insurgents will just run and hide. If I was in charge of the attack, I would use 3x as many soldiers and search house to house leadign off with tear gas and stun grenades at each one. Any house that shot at me would be leveled with artillery and ignored. 12,000 troops seems a bit small to really clean a city out.
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For those wih morbid curiosity .. go to Ogrish.com. NWS I emplore you to open with caution.

Lots of footage of the war there.

Its either Orgish or Ogrish. try both. High caliber weapons cause hell on burkas.
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