To the undecided or moronic (Plus election poll omg!)

[Nick]

No matter how you justify it in terms of not wanting to change presidents in time of war, it needs to be reminded to you that:

A: It's an unjust war based on lies and stupidity.

B. The world doesn't like you or your stupid war (unless you count the silly allied set of islands and mini countries your country paid off to support them, although even then, the governments of those countries support the war, but the people don't.)

C. The enormous responsibility you guys hold in determining the lives lost in the next 4 years. It is the worlds opinion, and also generally considered intelligent peoples opinion (worldwide!) that Bush is a liability to effectiveness of the war on "terror" and as such more people will die than necessary. THAT IS BLOOD ON YOUR HANDS. Surely you would realise then that this makes you no better than the terrorists, which the world already knows, but some of you don't seem to realise.

D. Iraq had no WMD and you were lied to, btw anyone gullible enough to have not seen through this whole thing from day one is a grade 'A' moron imho.

E. Your president did not legitemately even win the last election and some of you are fisting yourselves furiously to get him re-elected. NEWSFLASH, HE NEVER WAS PROPERLY ELECTED IT WAS A LIE OMGZ!
Since when did the American people accept this in their democratic land of the free? You are making fools of yourselves even letting him stay in this long. And everyone else in the world sees this.

F. I watched the debates myself, anyone who thinks Bush looked the strongest is a fascist retard intent on destroying the hard work of millions over decades before them. What is with this ignorant nihilism folks? Don't you want a peaceful world? Either that or their brain functions on about a tenth of the average mans working potential.

G. Some of you seem to argue that its better to keep the war ------over there, as opposed to your own soil. I can see your point (just). However, your not looking at this properly, do you not realise the repurcussions this will have on your future generations?
There are a lot of angry people in the world at America and just because they don't strike now doesn't mean them, or their children wont be making it their lifes work to end your country. Also, given what your countries choices have been in the last 4 years:

A. The first election scandal
B. The concrete links between bin laden and bush
C. The hamfisted unilateralism
D. Illegally invading another country and lying about why your doing it.
E. Killing thousands in a botched strategy on the ground in Iraq
F. Causing more anti american feeling than ever before with your proud ignorant patriotism (MY PARENTS FUCKED HERE WOOPDEDOO I AM SO PROUD!!!!)

To name a tiny proportion of the things your country has done in your name.

You know that that is hilarious to evolved people don't you? It's a joke mate and your the joke.

Ummm. what else......publicly supporting the most evil corrupt man in the world with great gusto (another thing, bush has more blood and corruption on his hands than Bin Laden could dream of. and He is substantially worse than Bin Laden in terms of what they have done) I don't see people changing their minds easily.

In other words, in terms of defending your country, you boys have just gone and fucked it up far worse. Invading Iraq didn't help you in any way. IRAQ HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH ANYTHING YOU MORONS. As such, many people around the world can now look at you with justified hatred that will not disappear, I am talking about people who's loved ones died, that are not going to forgive you just because they can watch Superman in their local Iraqi bars now.

For fucks sake people, you are not complete morons are you? Wise up and see reality and try and fucking help it instead of plastering your stars and stripes in places where they arent needed or (especially this one) wanted.

This post does not apply to the intelligent readers of this board who already will be aware of what I have just stated.

To the morons this is addressed to, its not personal, it may seem it, but I assure you its nothing more than the truth. The truth can sometimes be hard to accept I understand, but you will be better people for it, and the world will be a better place, even in a small way.

Notice I am not pro Kerry? Given that that is a side issue in the overall state of affairs. All that is important is changing the power away from the most inept man to ever become president to someone with some slightly more realistic and reasonable views. I dont give a fuck, just as long as its not Bush.


P.S - No, I am not a politician so this will not be written or delivered to you in the most 'appropriate' manner, plus the temperature in this room is high right now, and I am a "sweater" so I guess you can ignore my points due to my Flip flopping nature, or whatever new spin you fucking jokes are slurping down while frantically impaling yourselves on your flagpoles of proudness.

[Akaran_D]

Ok Teeny. With the moron comments, I'm going to take this personally. Does that make me a moron in your eyes? Dunno. Don't care.

And don't care is going to be a theme in this post, so you better damn well get used to hearing it.

I do not want EITHER canidate to be elected. EITHER of them. Nader doesn't count because so many people don't care about his half ass attempt to become president that he's only going to serve to siphon ballots of people that are too stupid to save gas by staying home instead of voting for him.

NEWSFLASH, HE NEVER WAS PROPERLY ELECTED IT WAS A LIE OMGZ!

Hi, he was elected by the 'electoral college'. It's a system. We have it in place. It may suck. Florida screwed the entire election so bad we didn't even know whom to call President until 2-4 weeks afterwards. If there was enough proof to convict anyone of voter fraud, it would have been done FOUR YEARS AGO. Thank you, come again.

THAT IS BLOOD ON YOUR HANDS

Ok.
Because I pull the trigger each time someone looses their head.
Because my meaningless, single vote is going to be directly responsible for a person to stay in power.
What about the blood on my hands if Kerry opts to take a softer approach to this war? Who will bleed then, maybe? Maybe forigeners, maybe americans. Don't know, don't care. People are going to die as a result of actions propigated by the american nation as far back as the cold war and probably beyond. Let's not forget where some of these armaments are comming from - American AND European weapon dealers too! OMGZORZ!

The world doesn't like you or your stupid war

Cool. What do you plan on doing about it? A thousand person protest in your home country that's smaller than some states we have? Impose tarrifs and sanctions on our goods to enter your country? Ok. We'll sotp ending them to you - and buying the stuff from you. Want to use your l33t military might? Good luck have fun.

I don't care what you think.
If you grow a pair large enough to do stand up for your 'not liking us', then I'll reconsider. When you can do that, let me know! In the meantime, I will respect your comments and agree with you on some of them - but if the entire world is against us, why hasn't someone tried to make us stop? Where were the UN peacekeepers in Iraq to prevent us from invading? Where are the trade embargoes? Honestly where are they?

Causing more anti american feeling than ever before with your proud ignorant patriotism

Because being proud to be in america is such a fucking bad thing.

IRAQ HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH ANYTHING YOU MORONS

I agree. Don't care though. If we pull out right now, do you know how long it till take Iraq to work its way back up to threat level again? Quite a while. I'm actually agaisnt rebuilding it - it'd be 'nicer' if we leveled the place, left, and let them work their way back up from the stonae age.. but that wouldn't be 'humane' or 'proper' - and at least we're trying to clean up the mess we made.

If you don't like it so damn much, where are (your country's) troops to help restore order? Wait, no, they'd rather sit at home, laugh at us, and watch innocent civilians die instead of trying to do something about it. Good job guys!


There is no truth in your statement.
There is BUSH BAD AMERICA BAD but you know what? We already know this. This country is divded atm, anyone can look at it and see it. It's a matter of which side you beleive has the best plan to pull us out of this mess. I don't think either party does.

Corruption in this country is so rampant that it's not even a joke anymore. The american people KNOW the government is lying to them about the war. We KNOW they're lying to us about their campaign promises. We KNOW that no matter who we elect, there's going to be rampant anti-americanis; we KNOW that until a country decides to do something about it, that it doesn't matter what you think.

When Canada decides the future of the american people, I'll care.
When France deciedes it, I'll care.
When Germany, when Russia, when Ukraine, when the maui islands decides it, I'll care.

Until then, I don't. I really, really don't. Call me cold hearted. Call me a moron. Call me a bastard. Call me an isolationist prick.

Until you're willing to back up whine with action, I don't care.

[Sionistic]

jesus, I just stepped into a red puddle

[Nick]

Akaran, you are indeed right, your lack of caring showed up blatantly in your reply.

I accept that you don't care.

In which case.


Why even reply?

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Also, Akaran, if you choose to be like that, then rock on man, but please realise, you are part of the problem. Sucks we must be divided on this old friend, tis a shame.
And I take action in many ways other than simply writing on this board mate, I was just doing a charity gig last night to help raise money for the Darfur crisis, and it doesn't end there either.

And in terms of backing up my whine with action. I take action in the small ways a 20 year old can, proactively learning and helping. Which is much better than having the power and using it incorrectly.

Bush and his war on terror is only one of the problems this world faces. Terrorism is another. Pointing this out is a justifiable action.

[miir]

Cool. What do you plan on doing about it? A thousand person protest in your home country that's smaller than some states we have? Impose tarrifs and sanctions on our goods to enter your country? Ok. We'll sotp ending them to you - and buying the stuff from you. Want to use your l33t military might? Good luck have fun.

Ignorant arrogance is so unflattering.


Although I would not like to see it happen, it would be interesting to see how quickly the American Empire would completely collapse if foreign countries decided to start pulling investment dollars out of american companies and enforce economic sanctions.

[Kilmoll the Sexy]

There is absolutely no way to eliminate the corruption and absolute insanity that is the US government. If we pulled out of every single country on the planet and left them to their own devices...or left them to rely on the UN, then we would still get blamed for the woes of the world because we didn't step in to do something. Quite frankly, the majority of the US citizens are getting fed up being blamed for everything wrong with the world. We hate your shithole countries as much as you hate ours.

Who do you see on here whining the most? Canadians. Shit....lock the border down there and stop dealing with us. The flat out simple truth is that when the alternate energy problem is solved, then the middle east is completely out of the equation of the global economy. Do you want them to have nuclear weapons when their economy is gone and they have nothing the world needs? Take 10 countries who have nothing but oil, sand, and nuclear weapons and no food...watch how fast there becomes a real problem. I seriously hope we pull out of the entire middle east and let them have at it.....it is going to affect Europe more than us.

[Lohrno]

[quote="Teenybloke"]
Good rant...
[quote]

Nice post!

I'm a Dem, but honestly given the choice I'd rather see another Rep with some friggin sense in office than another 4 years of Bush.

Of course the Bush supporters are going to just say "Sorry, don't give a fuck what you think." You can expect that. But come on, you are a quarter way around the world from us and you know more about this than they do (or would like to admit). Anyway, good post, some slapping is definitely necessary.

-=Lohrno

[Akaran_D]

Yeah Teeny, it does suck to be divided on this and so many other issues. I'm not going to disagree that this country is in such a state of unrest right now it's not even funny; and that it's placing a strain on friendships from people from other nationalities.

The reason I replied, is in short, is the same reason you made the post.
We have mutiple sides of differeing issues. One of those sides - and a rapidly growing side - of those issues are the people so sick of hearing about it that we don't care anymore about it.

Don't get me wrong. I AM saddended by the plight of the Iraqi people. But we ARE trying to clean it up. I AM glad that you're helping. I DO try to help too - though it's limited, atm, to what money I can donate.

Although I would not like to see it happen, it would be interesting to see how quickly the American Empire would completely collapse if foreign countries decided to start pulling investment dollars out of american companies and enforce economic sanctions.

It would also be fun to see the impact on the world economy as well when we quit buying from countires that pulled investment dollars and enforced economic sanctions. It's a tit for tat - you do it, we dod it, and the global economy turns into a nightmare the likes of which we have never seen.

edit: And, tbh, you did invite a post from me, since I'm undecided.

[Lohrno]

Who do you see on here whining the most? Canadians. Shit....lock the border down there and stop dealing with us. The flat out simple truth is that when the alternate energy problem is solved, then the middle east is completely out of the equation of the global economy. Do you want them to have nuclear weapons when their economy is gone and they have nothing the world needs? Take 10 countries who have nothing but oil, sand, and nuclear weapons and no food...watch how fast there becomes a real problem. I seriously hope we pull out of the entire middle east and let them have at it.....it is going to affect Europe more than us.

"It's not our problem." is a perfectly valid response. Saves money too! And with money we can use it to better our country. The only problem with pulling out of Iraq now would be that the people who were pissed off and became terrorists before would be joined by the new people who just got pissed off because we shat on their country and left now. So we'd have 2 times as many terrorists. We need to find a way to clean it up fast, and get other countries involved. That way we can pull out and have some alliances, not just more countries pissed at us. Also then we might not have as many Terrorists pissed at us. At that point we have to as a country say "let us never speak of this again" and not get involved in more pointless wars.

-=Lohrno

[vn_Tanc]

"It's not our problem." is a perfectly valid response. Saves money too! And with money we can use it to better our country

I'm afraid that doesn't jibe with your leaders' plans of extending and guaranteeing the US's global dominance.
See the PNAC for details.

[miir]

It would also be fun to see the impact on the world economy as well when we quit buying from countires that pulled investment dollars and enforced economic sanctions. It's a tit for tat - you do it, we dod it, and the global economy turns into a nightmare the likes of which we have never seen.

No doubt there would be a large impact to the golbal economy, but it would recover. On the other hand, the US does not have the infrastructure and natural resources to be a self sufficient empire. Your country is virtually dependant on foreign investment. Take away foreign investment and you're screwed.

[Akaran_D]

And your coutnry isn't?

[Lohrno]

I'm afraid that doesn't jibe with your leaders' plans of extending and guaranteeing the US's global dominance.
See the PNAC for details.

He was not elected.

-=Lohrno

[miir]

And your coutnry isn't?

Huh?

[noel]

Fucking thing ate the first half of my post ><

Since when did the American people accept this in their democratic land of the free? You are making fools of yourselves even letting him stay in this long. And everyone else in the world sees this.

Again, you place the blame where the blame does not belong. You want to blame the US citizens for the actions of our elected officials. Keep in mind that though it's true Bush lost the popular vote, he won the electoral college vote. Also keep in mind that A LOT of people voted for Bush. He didn't lose the popular vote by much. Research the electoral college and try to understand it. You CANNOT fault the American people for the foreign policies of the Bush administration. If you want to point fingers at Wolfowitz, Cheney, Rice, Rumsfield, or Bush himself, I have no problems with that, but it is wrong to make it as though the US population is at fault.

F. I watched the debates myself, anyone who thinks Bush looked the strongest is a fascist retard intent on destroying the hard work of millions over decades before them. What is with this ignorant nihilism folks? Don't you want a peaceful world? Either that or their brain functions on about a tenth of the average mans working potential.

Win or lose the debates, Bush did not come off as a fascist retard *in the debates*.

G. Some of you seem to argue that its better to keep the war ------over there, as opposed to your own soil. I can see your point (just). However, your not looking at this properly, do you not realise the repurcussions this will have on your future generations?

I certainly do. The world is becoming an increasingly unsafe place. I'm sure Winnow will argue this with me, but as an example, my company has an extremely important customer in Saudi Arabia. There is no amount of money my company could offer me (they asked) to do a site visit to that customer. If the Bush administration's goal was to stop terrorism, their methodology was completely wrong.

Not everyone in this country likes the Bush administration and and most especially, their foreign policy. Not everyone is pleased that we jumped from rightly stomping out Al Quaeda to wrongly coming up with any possible reason to invade Iraq. Some of us recognize that as individuals we're unable to choose our birthplace. I could have just as easily been born anywhere else in the world and be subject to their laws and way of life. Potentially, I could have been completely innocent and bombed by an American plane. The thing you have to remember however is that there is a large group of the 'average' out there, that only understand what they're spoonfed, these people will vote in the next election for both Bush, Kerry, and others. I don't personally know who will win the election. My head tells me that Bush will probably win. I think Kerry can win if the grass-roots response to the election is as strong as it has the potential to be.

Look, Teeny... I certainly appreciate your position. I think your presentation sucks , but I recognize the intent. The thing that you foreigners don't seem to get is that the average American who's never been out of the country and never met anyone they respect from another country just sees posts like these as foreign criticism -- people who don't understand. Your negativity will not even allow these 'average American's' to consider your viewpoint.

[Sueven]

As an American, the only thing that bothers me about Teeny's rant is the concept that many people feel that America is a flawed, immoral, evil nation, but that those same people still expect America to provide, in many ways, for their defense and economic well-being.

[Tenuvil]

As an American, the only thing that bothers me about Teeny's rant is the concept that many people feel that America is a flawed, immoral, evil nation, but that those same people still expect America to provide, in many ways, for their defense and economic well-being.

It's stylish and cool to bite the hand that feeds you in international circles. This is no different than the angry poor in America that hate the rich but demand a handout paid for by their hard work.

[Winnow]

Top Dog is usually hated or loved. I'm comfortable with being hated by some or even half of the world. Either we are the world police or we aren't. Which do you want and what is your bullet proof plan if we aren't?

The problem is always the same. The negatives of being a world policer, world leader, choice maker are prominent while the positives are overshadowed.

The culture of negativity is rampant in America and it extends globally. I'm so sick of the bitching. If you're given a new car, you'll bitch about the color. Feed the world but the food tastes a little bland.

I say go fuck yourselves unless you start balancing your arguments and opening your eyes a little.

[Rekaar.]

So teeny, do you agree with this guy?

If Osama bin Laden ever buys a rap album, he'll probably start with a CD by KRS-One.

The hip-hop anarchist has declared his solidarity with al-Qaida by asserting that he and other African-Americans "cheered when 9-11 happened," reports the New York Daily News.

The rapper, real name Kris Parker, defiled the memory of those who died in the terrorist attacks as he spouted off at a recent New Yorker Festival panel discussion. advertisement




"I say that proudly," the Boogie Down Productions founder went on, insisting that, before the attack, security guards kept Blacks out of the World Trade Center "because of the way we talk and dress.

"So when the planes hit the building, we were like, 'Mmmm - justice.' "

The atrocity of 9-11 "doesn't affect us the hip-hop community," he said. "9-11 happened to them, not us," he added, explaining that by "them" he meant "the rich ... those who are oppressing us. RCA or BMG, Universal, the radio stations."

Parker also sneered at efforts by other rappers to get young people to vote.

"Voting in a corrupt society adds more corruption," he added. "America has to commit suicide if the world is to be a better place."

[miir]

The problem is always the same. The negatives of being a world policer, world leader, choice maker are prominent while the positives are overshadowed.

The Bush administration has failed miserably in the role of 'world policer'.

Real and imminent threats to international stability are going unchecked while the US has bogged itself down in the quagmire of Iraq.

[miir]

So teeny, do you agree with this guy?

Good ole KRS-One.
His lastest album sucks and his sales have been pitiful.
What better way to get in the press than to say something radically controversial?

He's always been good at playing the media. Unfortunately, he doesn't have the pull and respect he once had in the hip-hop community.

[Winnow]

The problem is always the same. The negatives of being a world policer, world leader, choice maker are prominent while the positives are overshadowed.

The Bush administration has failed miserably in the role of 'world policer'.

Real and imminent threats to international stability are going unchecked while the US has bogged itself down in the quagmire of Iraq.

They aren't going unchecked you dipshit. Your blanket statement is the kind of lame response I'd expect. If there aren't tomahawks going into N Korea or Iran, you think nothing is being done? The delicate situation in N. Korea isn't something that can be handled with an ultimatum.

[Kilmoll the Sexy]

Maybe Canada should step up and take over then.

[miir]

They aren't going unchecked you dipshit. Your blanket statement is the kind of lame response I'd expect. If there aren't tomahawks going into N Korea or Iran, you think nothing is being done? The delicate situation in N. Korea isn't something that can be handled with an ultimatum.

Ok then, tell me exactly what the US is doing in Darfur... or maybe in Haiti. And really what exactly has been done in North Korea to address that legitimate threat.

If Bush had not gone ahead with the invasion and occupation of Iraq, would it not have been much easier to focus attention on more immediate issues?

Focusing most of your resources on a conflict that you created makes it all the more difficult to address the real issues.

[miir]

Maybe Canada should step up and take over then.

Canada is able to do our part because we chose not to assist you in your invasion of Iraq. Feel free to check out where and how many troops Canada has stationed worldwide in UN support roles.

[Kilmoll the Sexy]

Really?

http://www.david-kilgour.com/mp/Darfur_ ... phe%20.htm

then why is Canada not in Darfur?

Canada itself sponsored the international study, which three years ago concluded that in defined circumstances the international community has an obligation to act to prevent the kind of catastrophe that occurred in Rwanda and now in Darfur. Are all or most of the conditions not already present to justify an intervention by peacemakers from a group of countries, including Canada, and led by African participants?

At a particularly dangerous moment in Sierra Leone's recent past, Canada was urged by a highly- respected African leader to intervene there to save civilian lives. Our government declined, insisting that prior obligations in Europe made it impossible. The United Kingdom successfully led the hazardous peace-making mission and our reputation dropped a large notch in Africa

Why aren't you taking care of North Korea? It is apparently a big issue....so why does the world have to have the US involved? Canada and Russia and France are sitting Iraq out.....go take care of it.

[Kilmoll the Sexy]

By the way.....the US also sent troops to Haiti. We sent 200 combat troops for that multinational force.

[miir]

So you're saying that Canada should pull their troops out of every UN sponsored mission (including Afghanistan) and 'police the world'?

OK, we'll get right on that as soon as the US pulls their troops out of Iraq.


Deal?

[Bubba Grizz]

I picked Bush on this poll out of spite. I won't have my politics dictated to me by someone who doesn't live here.

[Kilmoll the Sexy]

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/deploy.htm

[Homercles]

Real and imminent threats to international stability are going unchecked while the US has bogged itself down in the quagmire of Iraq.

Again. Is the US the World Police? According to this quote you think we are. If we're not, you would expect some other country or political body (UN) to step in and do something about the Unchecked Threats to International Stability.
Good, bad or worse, the US is bogged down in Iraq. That doesnt mean the rest of the world has to wait for that issue to be resolved before trying to tackle the others.
If the world is so concerned about Iran, Korea, Sudan, Palestine, etc, then step up and do something about the problem. Dont sit back and wait for the US to untangle themselves from Iraq.
All these problems plus Iraq, existed before we took action in Iraq. Bush chose to go after Iraq. And is still in the process of attempting to establishing stability in that country. Why doesnt someone else choose to tackle any of the other Unchecked threats to international stability.

Why wait and depend on the US?

[Kilmoll the Sexy]

It is because they are weak willed countries who don't have the stomach to step up and takre care of shit. If Canada or any other country put the amount of troops out per capita that the US does, there would be a lot less to worry about in the world.

Just by the percentage alone, Canada should have 40,000 troops deployed. Congrats on your 2000 or so that you mercifully sent out.

[Sueven]

North Korea is far more complex than Iraq. North Korea has a vast military arsenal aimed at Seoul. Our analysts estimate that a war in North Korea would costs tens or hundreds of thousands of American lives, as well as hundreds of thousands in the Koreas. It would be a conflict on a vastly different scale.

There's an interesting documentary available at:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/kim/view/

Ok then, tell me exactly what the US is doing in Darfur... or maybe in Haiti. And really what exactly has been done in North Korea to address that legitimate threat.

Jack shit, along with the rest of the international community. It's standard practice for the United States, Canada, Western Europe and Australia to respond to this sort of humanitarian crisis with empty platitudes, resolutions, and fact-finding missions. We may sometimes commit relatively small numbers of troops to enter these situations with a limited mandate and little or no enforcement ability. Once the crisis has played itself out, we'll decry the massive loss of life, just like we have been doing for years.

With that said, this attitude is something that bothers a large number of Americans. What have we done in Darfur and Haiti and North Korea? Let the UN handle it. What have you done in Darfur and Haiti and North Korea? Let the UN handle it.

If you notice, our resources are a little taxed right now. We have a few hundred billion dollars committed to a few military operations in the middle east. We hardly have enough soldiers to fight our current conflicts. We must be constantly mindful of our obligation to protect our allies who have no military force. Basically, our army is busy.

The USA will deal with North Korea when it decides to deal with North Korea. If other countries are very concerned with North Korea, those countries have two basic options:
1. Do something about it
2. Sit on their thumbs and wait for someone else (aka "The USA") to do something about it.

If the rest of the world hates our foreign policy so much, why do so many people seem to want to see us deal with North Korea or Sudan? Wouldn't we just fuck it up anyway? Or do these people think that US intervention is better than no intervention, despite their cries about how Bush is no better than Osama? Will these people insist that we include them in a multilateral coalition to solve the problem even though they were the ones who demanded that we accept the responsibility in the first place?

I'm not totally discounting the points of foreigners who are upset with US policy. I'm upset with it too. I just wish that people would keep in mind that we provide an awful lot of positives for the rest of the world, in economic and security terms. If countries determine that the harms of being associated with the USA are greater than the benefits, they are free to disassociate.

At it's most simplistic, the government of America is responsible for, and must answer to, the people of America, and not the people of the world.

[miir]

Just by the percentage alone, Canada should have 40,000 troops deployed. Congrats on your 2000 or so that you mercifully sent out

Yeah, and China should have 1.8 million troops deployed.


India should have 1.2 million, Brazil 235k, Japan 170k, Mexico 120k, Iceland 400,


And dont forget about Poland!
50k troops....


The percentage of troops per population in the US is an anomaly, not the norm.

[Neost]

Wow, according to that chart it only takes 500 Brits to keep Canada under control.....

[miir]

Wow, according to that chart it only takes 500 Brits to keep Canada under control.....

Haha, fuck you!

[Kilmoll the Sexy]

It is because Canadians would rather drink beer and watch hockey than do anything militarily. Now is the time for a Canadian uprising against the opression of British rule....there is no hockey to watch. If there is a beer shortage, there will possibly be another war for independance. Of course that would mean that canada would have to amass a force of nearly 1000 whole people to pull it off.

[Winnow]

Do you feel yourself getting pwned on this thread Miir? If not let me point it out.

Kilmoll is on a roll today.

[Homercles]

France 28,500 4,100 Antilles
3,900 Cote D'Ivoire
3,600 Indian Ocean

Good to see France is protecting the fishes of the sea

[Kilmoll the Sexy]

The only thing Mexico could deploy 120,000 of is drywallers. Japan has no military thanks to them getting grounded for life for attacking daddy while he was sleeping.

I think we should scale our troops back. But for us to do that, you slackass countries would actually have to get off your collective asses and make up the difference. Everyone on this board...whether liberal or conservative fucking knows the goddamn truth. It is not going to happen. Until your country offers to step up its involvement, you have zero right to criticize. We like to call our global efforts "best effort". We give it our best shot, but with minimal effort from places like canada, france, mexico, etc, we have to half ass everything.

**note....lower-case used on the spellings of those countries was intentional. Your countries efforts don't deserve them to be capitalized.

[Moonwynd]

Hey Teenypeeny...you really can keep your hatred of America to yourself...you spout your A. B. C. D. points as though they were handed to you from God Almighty. We have grown weary of your constant bashing of the USA and our citizens.

Instead of continuing to lambast this country by spewing your outside view of what you think we are really like...why don't you go back to shouting SUNDAY BLOODY SUNDAY as you throw your rocks at the British tanks as they roll down your oh so perfect neck of the woods....fucking moron.

[Forthe]

The only thing Mexico could deploy 120,000 of is drywallers. Japan has no military thanks to them getting grounded for life for attacking daddy while he was sleeping.

I think we should scale our troops back. But for us to do that, you slackass countries would actually have to get off your collective asses and make up the difference. Everyone on this board...whether liberal or conservative fucking knows the goddamn truth. It is not going to happen. Until your country offers to step up its involvement, you have zero right to criticize. We like to call our global efforts "best effort". We give it our best shot, but with minimal effort from places like canada, france, mexico, etc, we have to half ass everything.

**note....lower-case used on the spellings of those countries was intentional. Your countries efforts don't deserve them to be capitalized.

Why do we need a large standing army? We don't invade contries to put puppet governments in place. We still do not approve of imperialism, something you've forgotten.

Beyond contributing to peace keeping and primitive diplomacy there is no reason at all to have an army. If we ever came under threat we could build nukes faster than we could build an army.

So what reason is there for Canada to spend money every year on a large military it doesn't need? The US has the large military and spends many many times more money every year to support it. Who is safer?

[Rekaar.]

The only reason you have the option to think that way is because you have Big Brother next door to protect you, and it drives you nuts knowing you owe most of your freedoms to us.

[Kilmoll the Sexy]

That is complete bullshit. If canada went it alone right now and someone decided to invade you, they would bomb your nuclear capable facilities into piles of rubble before you could even think about scraping one together. The only thing that keeps anyone from invading you is the US armed forces sitting just down the way.

[miir]

We give it our best shot, but with minimal effort from places like canada, france, mexico, etc, we have to half ass everything.

Dont forget about Poland!

[Kilmoll the Sexy]

poland is covered under the "etc" clause. They are not even militarily might enough to warant my typing their full name out ever again. I will simply refer to them as "p".

[Lohrno]

[Winnow]

Canada has the best of both worlds. They can freeload off of our protection and then bitch about it constantly. It's amazing to me the amount of bitching that comes out of Canada about the United States. This absolutely ridiculous rational that you are a peace loving country so don't need an army is foolish.

With that kind of mentality, I guess you wouldn't have minded your asshole being the diameter of your russian lover's fist during the cold war if the US wasn't around.

[miir]

[Xzion-]

Causing more anti american feeling than ever before with your proud ignorant patriotism

Because being proud to be in america is such a fucking bad thing.

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Our countrys "power of pride" is our countrys greatest weakness.