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Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » September 9, 2004, 11:57 am

NCAA and NFL.. ah 'tis a good time to be alive!

Post by **Sylvus** » September 9, 2004, 12:17 pm

The money line is currently +160 for the Colts, so I'm proposing the following action.

I'll take the Patriots and give 1.6:1 odds on VVs in the game tonight on anyone who posts in this thread with what they want to bet before kickoff. Max bet of 100 VVs.

for example: you bet 50 VVs and the Colts win, I pay you 80 VVs tomorrow. If the Colts lose, you pay me 50 VVs tomorrow.

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » September 9, 2004, 12:21 pm

I will take the Colts for 100 VeeVees.

Post by **Sylvus** » September 9, 2004, 12:32 pm

Don't forget that Tom Brady is a Michigan man, Kilmoll. You sure you want to get burned twice in one week?

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » September 9, 2004, 12:36 pm

I'll take the Patriots for 200 VVs

What is the moneyline for them? I'd rather bet the spread which is -3 for -110. let me know so I can adjust my bet! : )

Edit: if you're going to play the house (Veeshan SportsVault) and take action on both sides. : )

Post by **Sylvus** » September 9, 2004, 12:37 pm

You can't take the Patriots, I'm taking them! Plus, maximum bet is 100...

Perhaps in the future I could act as a bookie and take bets for both sides, I'll do that next week. Could end up being a good VV sink to curb boardflation, as the house always wins!

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » September 9, 2004, 12:42 pm

Yeah, playing the house would rule.

I can't bet on the Colts because they're going to lose : ) The weather is predicted to be bad, Patriots defense rocks, Manning/James not so good on grass compared to turf.

I'm tempted to take the under which is all the way up to 44.5 from an opening 41.5 except I can't predict defensive TDs in shitty weather.

My best bet for the game is Pats -3.

Shanter · Post by **Shanter** » September 9, 2004, 1:24 pm

100 vvs for Colts.

Fuck the Pats, just fuck them.

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » September 9, 2004, 1:32 pm

Sylvus wrote:Don't forget that Tom Brady is a Michigan man, Kilmoll. You sure you want to get burned twice in one week?

I am hoping for a bus crash involving the Patriots. Fuck Tom Brady....fuck him right in the ear.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » September 9, 2004, 2:18 pm

Homercles · Post by **Homercles** » September 9, 2004, 2:24 pm

No Ted Washington.
No Receiver Muggings
Add Corey Dillon

Indianapolis Colts win

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » September 9, 2004, 3:28 pm

Homercles wrote:No Ted Washington.
No Receiver Muggings
Add Corey Dillon

Indianapolis Colts win

Ted Bruschi
Willie McGinest

Welcome back:

Rosevelt Colvin

Introducing:

Vince Wilfork

They'll be fine : )

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » September 9, 2004, 3:35 pm

Ted Washington will be missed. He was big as a house!

Bubba Grizz · Post by **Bubba Grizz** » September 9, 2004, 5:30 pm

What is wrong with Cory Dillon? I think he is a far cry better than Antwain Smith. Kevin Faulk however is not bad either.

Chidoro · Post by **Chidoro** » September 9, 2004, 7:07 pm

I'm in the college one but is there a pro room set up on ESPN?

Ogbar · Post by **Ogbar** » September 10, 2004, 1:10 am

Oh, how cool was that ... Vanderjagt missing at the end. Even with all their whining and getting the rules changed they still couldn't win. Priceless

Edit: misspelled Vanderjagt

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » September 10, 2004, 1:13 am

Winnow wrote:
Ted Bruschi
Willie McGinest

Bruschi (Interception at the goal line)
McGinest (Sack with less than a minute left resulting in Vanderjagt missing a longer 48 yrd game tying field goal)

IND 24
NE 27

All is well : ) Higher scoring than I thought it would be though.

Post by **Sylvus** » September 10, 2004, 1:28 am

Man, Tom Brady made some great throws in that game. I'd like to give him player of the game but it might have to go to the Defense, they really stepped up.

Thanks to all who took the bet for increasing my VV count! =)

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » September 10, 2004, 1:36 am

Sylvus wrote:Man, Tom Brady made some great throws in that game. I'd like to give him player of the game but it might have to go to the Defense, they really stepped up.

Thanks to all who took the bet for increasing my VV count! =)

Brady had a monster game. I'd have a hard time deciding over the defense causing three turnovers in the red zone (2 fumbles, 1 int) and a key sack taking IND out of easy FG range or Brady for MVP of the game.

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » September 10, 2004, 10:43 am

eh I disagree, Brady showed some rust. Not as much as the Colts but he wasn't THAT great either. Also, Colts lost for one simple reason: Mike Doss got injured. Entire game changed when he left.

Kilmoll the Sexy · September 10, 2004, 11:04 am

Man....the Colts defense is just terrible. Didn't help that Edgerin James decided he liked to lose and coughed up the ball on the goal line. There were guys running wide open with no one on them.....they better find some D in a hurry.

I guess we also did see exactly how much Ted Washington helped them. James had 140 yards rushing on them.

Post by **Sylvus** » September 10, 2004, 11:35 am

Kelshara wrote:eh I disagree, Brady showed some rust. Not as much as the Colts but he wasn't THAT great either. Also, Colts lost for one simple reason: Mike Doss got injured. Entire game changed when he left.

What are you talking about? Brady was throwing some laser beams out there and completed almost 70% of his passes for 335 yards and three touchdowns. That one pass where he threaded the needle and hit whoever that was at like the 40 or so was one of the best balls i've ever seen thrown.

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » September 10, 2004, 11:40 am

Yes he had good passes. However, I think when he sees the video of the game he will regret some of the decissions he made. Some of his passes were too high-risk and I strongly believe if Doss was in the game he would have been picked off more than the one time he was.

Kilmoll the Sexy · September 10, 2004, 11:55 am

He threw about 5 passes where I thought "damn that was a nice pass". The others were some bad bad defense. One rollout he had he threw back across the field and there was no Colt within 30 yards of the receiver.

They did show the blueprint on how to beat the Pats.....run the ball, run the ball, run the ball. They couldn't stop shit on the ground. Hold onto the football and you win. Fumble it away and you lose.

flankmen · Post by **flankmen** » September 10, 2004, 11:57 am

Kelshara wrote:Yes he had good passes. However, I think when he sees the video of the game he will regret some of the decissions he made. Some of his passes were too high-risk and I strongly believe if Doss was in the game he would have been picked off more than the one time he was.

What's the big deal about Mike Doss? He's a decent strong safety, but at the same time he's only a 2nd year player with one career interception. I hardly believe he would have had that big of an impact on this game.
Something else to keep in mind is that Brady ran 3 or 4 complete series with 5 wide and no RB. Do you realize how difficult that is? The defense knows the pass is coming on every down, and they still couldn't stop it.

Kilmoll the Sexy · September 10, 2004, 12:00 pm

Dungy is running the Cover 2.....with no playmakers like he had in Tampa. Brady's receivers were always open over the middle in the soft spot in that zone. He better start finding out who can play man to man against a team like the Pats or they will be in trouble.

The Pats system kills a zone defense.

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » September 10, 2004, 12:16 pm

What's the big deal about Mike Doss? He's a decent strong safety, but at the same time he's only a 2nd year player with one career interception. I hardly believe he would have had that big of an impact on this game.

He has experience, even though he is young. He got it in college, and he is heads and shoulders above his replacements as safety. And he is a major factor in how they stop the run. Dillon got a lot more room when Doss went out, and that makes it a hell of a lot easier to pass as well. Plus Doss is a fairly good hitter and the secondary got soft and inexperienced without him.

flankmen · Post by **flankmen** » September 10, 2004, 12:20 pm

Edit: double post

Bubba Grizz · Post by **Bubba Grizz** » September 10, 2004, 12:33 pm

Deja Vu?

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » September 10, 2004, 1:00 pm

Btw I am not saying Brady wasn't good. He was. But I do think he would rething some of his decissions.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » September 10, 2004, 1:04 pm

I was extremely impressed with Brady. The first and third Patriot offensive series were basically in your face Payton manning type drives albeit without a running back at all. That was awesome. it was also kinda funny to see Dillon sitting on the sidelines for the entire first series. He did look like a servicable back though when he played and should work out well for the Pats this year.

I don't know what you're looking for in a QB but Brady outperformed Manning last night. Brady showed how calm he is in the pocket during the play that Dillon leveled a blitzing Colt. He calmly stepped to the side and even waited in the pocket for another blitzing Colt to be blocked and threw a long bomb. On the other hand, Manning was so focused on one receiver running down the left side that he was leveled by Willie McGinest. It didn't hurt that the Colts left him unblocked.

If I wanted a QB for a football team for one game and had to build a team today, I'd pick Brady as my QB. He's proven himself over three seasons to be the most reliable QB in the game. The interception he threw last night was his first in his last 288 attempts! Hell, Manning threw 4 in one game in the playoffs.

Menelaos · Post by **Menelaos** » September 10, 2004, 1:18 pm

I think you are overrating Mike Doss just a bit there. He is definitely not the biggest reason the Colts lost. They lost simply because they did not have the discipline on offense to not turn the ball over THREE times in the red zone. Hold onto that ball and don't throw an interception, and they likely would have had at least one more touchdown and two more field goals. In a game decided by three points, that was definitely the deciding factor.

Mike Doss is a pretty good player, especially for being so young in the NFL. Good tackler, and not a terrible pass defender as well. But he isn't the difference maker that you make him out to be. At least not yet.

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » September 10, 2004, 1:48 pm

He wouldn't be if they had a halfway decent replacement. They don't. The step from a good player to a decent inexperienced one is huge. Madden commented on it as well a few times during the game.

Sueven · Post by **Sueven** » September 10, 2004, 2:19 pm

The interception he threw last night was his first in his last 288 attempts!

No, it was his first in his last 288 attempts at home.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » September 10, 2004, 2:42 pm

Sueven wrote:
The interception he threw last night was his first in his last 288 attempts!
No, it was his first in his last 288 attempts at home.

I stand corrected! This was my first erroneous post out of my last 288!

Bubba Grizz · Post by **Bubba Grizz** » September 10, 2004, 2:46 pm

Winnow wrote:
Sueven wrote:
The interception he threw last night was his first in his last 288 attempts!
No, it was his first in his last 288 attempts at home.
I stand corrected! This was my first erroneous post out of my last 288!

At Home?

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » September 10, 2004, 4:02 pm

Bubba Grizz wrote:
Winnow wrote:
Sueven wrote:
The interception he threw last night was his first in his last 288 attempts!
No, it was his first in his last 288 attempts at home.
I stand corrected! This was my first erroneous post out of my last 288!
At Home?

Sleazy Cheeze is going down in week 3!

Bubba Grizz · Post by **Bubba Grizz** » September 10, 2004, 5:25 pm

Winnow wrote:
Bubba Grizz wrote:
Winnow wrote:
Sueven wrote:
The interception he threw last night was his first in his last 288 attempts!
No, it was his first in his last 288 attempts at home.
I stand corrected! This was my first erroneous post out of my last 288!
At Home?
Sleazy Cheeze is going down in week 3!

If my wife lets me!

Post by **Sylvus** » September 13, 2004, 4:42 pm

I'm not positive, but it looks like Kilmoll hasn't paid me yet!

Thx Shanter for not welching on the bet.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » September 13, 2004, 5:05 pm

Sylvus wrote:I'm not positive, but it looks like Kilmoll hasn't paid me yet!

Thx Shanter for not welching on the bet.

Garnish his new post VVs!

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » September 13, 2004, 6:08 pm

I thought you were taking them automatically with your supar board powars!

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