How many of you liberal hippies are leaving the states if...

Akaran_D · Post by **Akaran_D** » September 3, 2004, 9:37 am

...Bush gets reelected? I've counted posts from at least two so far - are you people that incredibly balless that you can't stand the thought of your hero losing? I thought you brats whined enough when Gore lost, now it's "He wins or we leave"... if there was ever a reason to vote republican, you guys are sure reinforcing it.

(Yes, this post is flamebait.)

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » September 3, 2004, 9:38 am

Akaran_D wrote:...Bush gets reelected? I've counted posts from at least two so far - are you people that incredibly balless that you can't stand the thought of your hero losing? I thought you brats whined enough when Gore lost, now it's "He wins or we leave"... if there was ever a reason to vote republican, you guys are sure reinforcing it.

(Yes, this post is flamebait.)

None of them will!!! There a bunch of windbags, all they will do is bitch for another 4 years.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » September 3, 2004, 9:42 am

what a couple of fucking retards.

Akaran_D · Post by **Akaran_D** » September 3, 2004, 9:42 am

We can't all be like you luv.

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » September 3, 2004, 9:55 am

kyoukan wrote:what a couple of fucking retards.

Why because we speak the truth?

You know it I know it, Liberals are a bunch of windbags your a perfect example of one.

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » September 3, 2004, 9:57 am

I might leave the country anyways, the presidential election wont encourge or discourage me , but if its a close descision four more years of bush could help push me over the top

archeiron · Post by **archeiron** » September 3, 2004, 9:57 am

Who are you talking to, Cart and Akaran?

p.s. Boys have a penis, and girls have a vagina.

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » September 3, 2004, 10:04 am

Xzion wrote:I might leave the country anyways, the presidential election wont encourge or discourage me , but if its a close descision four more years of bush could help push me over the top

/wave Bye

dont forget to renounce your citizenship at the border.

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » September 3, 2004, 10:38 am

I'm all for some people leaving. Let's send Cartalas, Metanis, Midnyte and a couple more to serve in Iraq.

Post by **Sylvus** » September 3, 2004, 11:07 am

Akaran_D wrote:are you people that incredibly balless that you can't stand the thought of your hero losing?

I think you're confused on that part. I have yet to talk to anyone who would consider Kerry their "hero". If anyone is planning to leave the country, I think it is less about their hero losing than it is them thinking Bush will fuck up the country in a major way.

That said, I'm not planning on going anywhere, though It would be nice to spend some time in Europe or something.

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » September 3, 2004, 11:58 am

Xzion wrote:I might leave the country anyways, the presidential election wont encourge or discourage me , but if its a close descision four more years of bush could help push me over the top

This could result in democrats voting for Bush.

Lohrno · Post by **Lohrno** » September 3, 2004, 1:33 pm

I'll definitely consider it. It's not a "my hero lost" thing. It's more of a "I don't want to live in a third world country" or a "I don't want to have a bomb dropped on me" or a "I don't want to live in a police state" thing.

-=Lohrno

Midnyte_Ragebringer · September 3, 2004, 1:38 pm

Kelshara wrote:I'm all for some people leaving. Let's send Cartalas, Metanis, Midnyte and a couple more to serve in Iraq.

If my country called for me to serve I would. Any more snide moronic statements?

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » September 3, 2004, 1:40 pm

Yeah guess you missed the "volunteer military" part. Someone so pro-Bush, anti-Muslim and oh so patriotic.. would have thought you signed up already!

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » September 3, 2004, 1:44 pm

Kelshara wrote:Yeah guess you missed the "volunteer military" part. Someone so pro-Bush, anti-Muslim and oh so patriotic.. would have thought you signed up already!

He's doing his part by sniping them from afar on public message boards.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · September 3, 2004, 1:44 pm

Kelshara wrote:Yeah guess you missed the "volunteer military" part. Someone so pro-Bush, anti-Muslim and oh so patriotic.. would have thought you signed up already!

I'm 32 with Asthma. I already tried enlisting in the military when I was 18. I lied about my asthma, but they found out when they got my medical records.

Keep em coming. LOL

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » September 3, 2004, 1:45 pm

Ah so you already tried to go out and kill Muslims but they didn't want you. So now instead you are bitter, grumpy and hateful. It is all coming together now.

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » September 3, 2004, 1:55 pm

Kelshara wrote:Yeah guess you missed the "volunteer military" part. Someone so pro-Bush, anti-Muslim and oh so patriotic.. would have thought you signed up already!

some of us are to old! But if I was avaliable Damn skippy I would go, But you know what even if a democrate was in office I would go.

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » September 3, 2004, 1:56 pm

Kelshara wrote:Ah so you already tried to go out and kill Muslims but they didn't want you. So now instead you are bitter, grumpy and hateful. It is all coming together now.

you know what Fuck off you couch potato sideline sitting Pussy.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » September 3, 2004, 2:15 pm

This is why liberals are labeled pussies. They whine and protest and threaten to leave but never do. They puss out.

Conservatives will always be winners. That's because whether our candidate wins or loses we go on with our lives, don't whine much, find tax loopholes, and don't threaten to leave the country. I can't stand liberal whining but it's part of the package of living in our great country. Whine away bitches!

Lohrno · Post by **Lohrno** » September 3, 2004, 2:22 pm

Bush is not a conservative at least not economically. How much was spent for that useless war? Oh well, if the conservatives get their way, and the ccountry goes to shit, we'll see how much of winnars you guys are.

-=Lohrno

Thess · Post by **Thess** » September 3, 2004, 2:32 pm

I have thought about leaving - whether I really will, I'm not sure. I haven't made any plans yet to move.

Why would I consider moving? I love America, and I can't stand to see the direction it is going. Another four years of Bush in my opinion will kill our standing in the world, bring us more pointless wars, possibly taking away the right to an abortion, I could go on and on really.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » September 3, 2004, 2:42 pm

Thess wrote:I have thought about leaving - whether I really will, I'm not sure. I haven't made any plans yet to move.

1. Another four years of Bush in my opinion will kill our standing in the world,

2.bring us more pointless wars,

3.possibly taking away the right to an abortion,

1. our standing won't get any worse. Top dog is always hated. I hate the fucking Lakers but it doesn't mean they are a bad team.

2. total speculation and paranoia

3. speculation. won't happen. if that actually did happen THEN you would have a valid case to leave.

People always focus on a few negatives and totally forget that america rocks as a country. Mostly the younger confused generation does this as our media focuses on the negatives.

Metanis · Post by **Metanis** » September 3, 2004, 2:44 pm

Thess wrote:I have thought about leaving - whether I really will, I'm not sure. I haven't made any plans yet to move.

Why would I consider moving? I love America, and I can't stand to see the direction it is going. Another four years of Bush in my opinion will kill our standing in the world, bring us more pointless wars, possibly taking away the right to an abortion, I could go on and on really.

You people really need to get over yourselves!

/boggle

It's ok to kill babies but not our reputation in the world?

PS.. Where should I send the tickets? I'm sure I'd be doing the world a service if I facilitate your departure...

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » September 3, 2004, 2:45 pm

All I have to say is please renounce you citizenship when you leave, I dont think you should be intitled to any benefits.

Thank you for living here and TaTa

Adex_Xeda · Post by **Adex_Xeda** » September 3, 2004, 2:50 pm

Well if you guys do consider leaving the USA you can always find a friendly home in Texas!

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » September 3, 2004, 2:55 pm

I'll probably leave. After all, why would I live in a second-rate country when I got better options?

Thess · Post by **Thess** » September 3, 2004, 2:55 pm

I don't consider fetus' babies, I believe life begins at birth. I believe in a womans right to choose over what happens with her body. I believe taking abortion away would only create a larger problem of women dying in back-alleys.

As to denouncing my citizenship, no. Like I said - I love this country.

Lohrno · Post by **Lohrno** » September 3, 2004, 2:56 pm

2. total speculation and paranoia

3. speculation. won't happen. if that actually did happen THEN you would have a valid case to leave.
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Our standing in the world has a downward trend. Sorry, that's a fact.

But yes that's speculation, and that's why I and probably Thess says we'll wait and see. Leaving the country is a big decision, and not something to be taken lightlhy. This administration definitely is anti-abortion.

By the way didn't you hear about that bill they were trying to pass to let Bush stay in office during the war on terror? If that does get passed, or he tries something like that you can't say that that's not a blow to democracy in this country.

-=Lohrno

Akaran_D · Post by **Akaran_D** » September 3, 2004, 3:00 pm

More information regarding that bill, please.
If there's something like that physically on the table atm, it's very interesting that it hasnt hit the major newsnets. If it's pure rumor, then let's get it out of the way now.

Thess · Post by **Thess** » September 3, 2004, 3:03 pm

Our congress is not in session - so any bill wouldn't be passed until next year.

Crav · Post by **Crav** » September 3, 2004, 3:03 pm

Winnow wrote:This is why liberals are labeled pussies. They whine and protest and threaten to leave but never do. They puss out.

Actually the reason liberals are labeled pussies is because conservatives don't want to talk about and discuss what has happened in the last four years, so they label us "pussies" and "girly men". Is the country better than it was four years ago? I know we have gone through some very trying times, but that is the test put before us. We have gone from a country that while maybe not universally liked, after all people always had problems with our cultural globalization, they still respected us for our ability to lead the world towards a better tomorrow. Now however, the world is disjointed. We have no support in the U.N. or across most of the world, the other countries still need us because of economic necessity, but no one can say that we are respected. The truth is that 9/11 changed this country, which means that the terrorist accomplished exactly what they wanted.

As far as leaving, while about a year ago I really had it set in my mind to do so. I thought about it because I was really ashamed of what my country was doing in our name. However, today I feel that leaving would do a very big disservice to our country. The U.S. needs both the liberal and conservative views without one or the other it is not really the United States of America.

Lohrno · Post by **Lohrno** » September 3, 2004, 3:06 pm

Yeah I heard about it a little while ago...it might have been killed, but the idea that it was suggested even is scary. I did a quick search but was not able to find it. I'll do more legwork tonight though.

-=Lohrno

Thess · Post by **Thess** » September 3, 2004, 3:08 pm

Basically what was being said by people like Condy Rice was that the election could have to be postponed because of terror attacks. No legwork needed.

Lohrno · Post by **Lohrno** » September 3, 2004, 3:09 pm

No no no there was some actual legislation being proposed I think...

-=Lohrno

Thess · Post by **Thess** » September 3, 2004, 3:17 pm

I found the opposite was proposed

Expressing the sense of the House of Representatives that the actions of terrorists will never cause the date of any Presidential election to be postponed and that no single individual... (Introduced in House)

HRES 728 IH

108th CONGRESS

2d Session

H. RES. 728

Expressing the sense of the House of Representatives that the actions of terrorists will never cause the date of any Presidential election to be postponed and that no single individual or agency should be given the authority to postpone the date of a Presidential election .

IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

July 20, 2004

Mr. NEY (for himself, Mr. LARSON of Connecticut, Mr. DELAY , Mr. BLUNT, Mr. SWEENEY, Mr. BUYER, Mr. RENZI, Mr. POMBO, Mr. HOBSON, Mr. ISTOOK, Mrs. KELLY, Mr. BASS, Mr. HERGER, Mr. NEUGEBAUER, Mr. MICA, Mr. JONES of North Carolina, Mr. MCCRERY, Mr. LATOURETTE, Mr. BOEHNER, Mr. CHABOT, Mr. SESSIONS, Mr. TIAHRT, Mr. COBLE, Mrs. CUBIN, Mr. OXLEY, Ms. HART, Mr. COLE, Mr. DOOLITTLE, Mr. LUCAS of Oklahoma, Mr. MCKEON, Mr. HOSTETTLER, Mr. BACHUS, Mr. CRENSHAW, Mr. OSE, Mr. WALDEN of Oregon, Mr. HUNTER, Mr. SHIMKUS, Mr. HYDE, Ms. PRYCE of Ohio, Mr. ROGERS of Alabama, Mr. GARRETT of New Jersey, Mr. FOLEY, Mr. GOSS, Mr. PAUL, Mr. BARTLETT of Maryland, Mr. THOMAS, Mr. LEWIS of Kentucky, Mr. PORTMAN, Mr. SHUSTER, Mr. GARY G. MILLER of California, Mr. CALVERT, Mr. AKIN, Mr. WILSON of South Carolina, Mr. WHITFIELD, Mr. OTTER, Mr. SCHROCK, Mr. VITTER, Mr. LAHOOD, Mr. WALSH, Mr. SIMPSON, Mr. REHBERG, Mr. BOOZMAN, Mr. REGULA, Mr. BEAUPREZ, Mr. REYNOLDS, Mr. CARTER, Mr. HENSARLING, Mr. TIBERI, Mr. NUNES, Mr. EHLERS, Ms. LORETTA SANCHEZ of California, Mr. DEFAZIO, Ms. WOOLSEY, Mr. BISHOP of New York, Mr. RAMSTAD, Mr. GINGREY, Mr. SANDLIN, Mr. GALLEGLY, Mr. KENNEDY of Minnesota, Mr. GREEN of Texas, Mrs. MALONEY, and Mrs. MILLER of Michigan) submitted the following resolution; which was referred to the Committee on House Administration

RESOLUTION

Expressing the sense of the House of Representatives that the actions of terrorists will never cause the date of any Presidential election to be postponed and that no single individual or agency should be given the authority to postpone the date of a Presidential election .

Whereas no regularly scheduled national election for Federal office has ever been postponed for any reason;

Whereas regularly scheduled Federal elections took place as scheduled during the Civil War, World War I, and World War II;

Whereas after having been re-elected in an election that took place while the Civil War continued to rage, Abraham Lincoln said `We can not have free government without elections; and if the rebellion could force us to forego, or postpone a national election it might fairly claim to have already conquered and ruined us. . . . [T]he election , along with its incidental and undesirable strife, has done good too. It has demonstrated that a people's government can sustain a national election , in the midst of a great civil war. Until now it has not been known to the world that this was a possibility.';

Whereas the terrorist bombings that took place in Spain on the eve of the Spanish elections in March 2004 were almost certainly perceived by Al Qaeda as having contributed to the defeat of the government that had stood with the United States in the Global War on Terror ;

Whereas terrorists may attempt to strike again against the United States in the months leading up to the November 2004 Presidential election in an attempt to alter or affect the election's outcome;

Whereas in the event that such a horrific attack were to occur, the actions of millions of Americans across the Nation casting their ballots would demonstrate powerfully the strength and resilience of our democracy;

Whereas there is no reason to believe that the men and women who administer elections in jurisdictions across the Nation would be incapable of determining how to react to a terrorist attack;

Whereas postponing an election in the aftermath of a terrorist attack would demonstrate weakness, not strength, and would be interpreted as a victory for the terrorists; and

Whereas under section 4 of article II of the Constitution, Congress has the authority to determine the date on which a Presidential election shall take place: Now, therefore, be it

Resolved, That it is the sense of the House of Representatives that--

(1) the actions of terrorists will never cause the date of any Presidential election to be postponed; and

(2) no single individual or agency should be given the authority to postpone the date of a Presidential election .

Lohrno · Post by **Lohrno** » September 3, 2004, 3:33 pm

Thess - hopefully THAT bill gets passed, and not the one being talked about here:

http://news.bostonherald.com/national/v ... leid=35259

-=Lohrno

Aaeamdar · Post by **Aaeamdar** » September 3, 2004, 3:37 pm

As far as I know there was not bill put forward to extend the presidency in a time of war/terror (see, that would involve the Administration actually using the legislative process. Bush greatly prefers executive orders). The bill put forth above was in response to another Justice Dept. memo analyzing the constitutionality of delaying the elections in the presence of evidence of a terrorist attack relating to the elections.

Considering the last Justice Dept. memo declared torture A. Ok. and then Americans went off and tortured people, I don't think its out of line to think Bush intended on following through with this memo as well. Coupled with the fact that a two year old memo can cause a rise in the terror alert status two days after Kerry's DNC speach, it would also not be suprising to learn that some flimsy evidence would be used to delay the elcection if Bush felt he was likely to lose.

Thess · Post by **Thess** » September 3, 2004, 3:54 pm

It got 419 yeas, 0 nays and 13 didn't vote in the house.

Latest Major Action: 7/22/2004 Passed/agreed to in House. Status: On motion to suspend the rules and agree to the resolution Agreed to by the Yeas and Nays (2/3 required): 419 - 2 (Roll No. 409).

From what I understand basically - it didn't go to the senate, and a Motion to reconsider laid on the table Agreed to without objection.

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » September 3, 2004, 4:44 pm

Cartalas wrote:All I have to say is please renounce you citizenship when you leave, I dont think you should be intitled to any benefits.

Thank you for living here and TaTa

Whats you obsession with renouncing citizenships, i have a duel citizenship, but i live here, and have no reason to renounce my other citizenship, and if i leave i wont renounce my citizenship, in four more years we wouldnt have a republican in office anyways

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » September 3, 2004, 4:44 pm

double

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » September 3, 2004, 4:51 pm

Xzion wrote:
Cartalas wrote:All I have to say is please renounce you citizenship when you leave, I dont think you should be intitled to any benefits.

Thank you for living here and TaTa
Whats you obsession with renouncing citizenships, i have a duel citizenship, but i live here, and have no reason to renounce my other citizenship, and if i leave i wont renounce my citizenship, in four more years we wouldnt have a republican in office anyways

My obsession is you take the good with the bad pal. You dont pull up stakes when you dont like something, Oh wait NM your a Liberal.

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » September 3, 2004, 4:58 pm

Cartalas wrote:
Xzion wrote:
Cartalas wrote:All I have to say is please renounce you citizenship when you leave, I dont think you should be intitled to any benefits.

Thank you for living here and TaTa
Whats you obsession with renouncing citizenships, i have a duel citizenship, but i live here, and have no reason to renounce my other citizenship, and if i leave i wont renounce my citizenship, in four more years we wouldnt have a republican in office anyways

My obsession is you take the good with the bad pal. You dont pull up stakes when you dont like something, Oh wait NM your a Liberal.

You say this as your VPs company goes threw tax loopholes in the bahamas(i dont blame him personally), your, like Winnow and most conservative's hypocrisy knows no bounds. Yes i do take the good with the bad, i am a frequent traveler and i enjoy different aspecs of different cultures. While say some european governments have a much better government when it comes to social issues, there regressive asses still have a fucking king with some power over the armed forces, who elects canidates in the primarys
I take the good with the bad in every aspect in life, thats what leads to success, exploration and progressive openmindedness, im sorry your thick close minded skull cant see beyond your black and white, 2 dimentional world.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » September 3, 2004, 5:32 pm

Xzion wrote:, like Winnow and most conservative's ...

If liberals had some savvy they'd register republican and get McCain nominated for the next election.

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » September 3, 2004, 5:33 pm

Xzion wrote:
Cartalas wrote:
Xzion wrote:
Cartalas wrote:All I have to say is please renounce you citizenship when you leave, I dont think you should be intitled to any benefits.

Thank you for living here and TaTa
Whats you obsession with renouncing citizenships, i have a duel citizenship, but i live here, and have no reason to renounce my other citizenship, and if i leave i wont renounce my citizenship, in four more years we wouldnt have a republican in office anyways

My obsession is you take the good with the bad pal. You dont pull up stakes when you dont like something, Oh wait NM your a Liberal.
You say this as your VPs company goes threw tax loopholes in the bahamas(i dont blame him personally), your, like Winnow and most conservative's hypocrisy knows no bounds. Yes i do take the good with the bad, i am a frequent traveler and i enjoy different aspecs of different cultures. While say some european governments have a much better government when it comes to social issues, there regressive asses still have a fucking king with some power over the armed forces, who elects canidates in the primarys
I take the good with the bad in every aspect in life, thats what leads to success, exploration and progressive openmindedness, im sorry your thick close minded skull cant see beyond your black and white, 2 dimentional world.

success=Running away?

Drasta · Post by **Drasta** » September 3, 2004, 5:56 pm

send the old people ... won't have to worry about SS then

Aruman · Post by **Aruman** » September 3, 2004, 5:59 pm

I find all this talk about leaving the United States if Kerry loses the election quite hilarious and beleive it's just a lot of rhetoric to express frustration.

Krurk · Post by **Krurk** » September 3, 2004, 6:06 pm

I figure that if Bush does win re-election, that despite a lackluster economy and the injection of religion into the government, that I should be shielded from most of the bullshit because I will be finishing grad school in 2007. Then I can hope to obtain a position within the government at state or with the RNC in preparation for McCain to win in 2008.

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » September 3, 2004, 7:48 pm

Krurk wrote:I figure that if Bush does win re-election, that despite a lackluster economy and the injection of religion into the government, that I should be shielded from most of the bullshit because I will be finishing grad school in 2007. Then I can hope to obtain a position within the government at state or with the RNC in preparation for McCain to win in 2008.

I just wish McCain got some revenge and ran against Bush this year...he would have won, and then he also would have won the election, no telling how he will do in four years against Kerry (unless he sucks ass) or a Hillary/Barak ticket, unless he gets another moderate or liberal VP

Midnyte_Ragebringer · September 3, 2004, 7:51 pm

Funny you ask that question. I was just thinking about where I could go that would be better than America if Kerry were to somehow get elected. But, I was unable to come up with any place as great as America, even with 4 more years of destructive liberal ideology.

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