The Real Issue: Bush is Incompetent

What do you think about the world?
Post Reply
User avatar
Metanis
Way too much time!
Way too much time!
Posts: 1417
Joined: July 5, 2002, 4:54 pm
Location: Wisconsin

The Real Issue: Bush is Incompetent

Post by Metanis »


This guy said to hell with drinking the Kerry Kool-Aid... he's injecting it!

THE REAL ISSUE: BUSH IS INCOMPETENT

Sat Aug 28, 3:22 PM ET

By Richard Reeves

NEW YORK -- President Bush is coming to town. You better watch out, you better not shout -- unless you're a certified delegate inside Madison Square Garden. With protesters somewhere out of sight, the Republican National Convention will be a celebration of the ideology, values and interests served by this second Bush presidency.

Whether you agree or disagree with the words pouring from the podium over Americans who see reflections of themselves in George W. Bush, the real issue of this election will not be mentioned. The core issue is this: Our president is incompetent. He is not a good president.

Let me count the ways:

(1) He has divided the country; we are all part of a vicious little hissing match. We were united and humbled on Sept. 12, 2001. We are divided and humiliated now, telling lies about each other.

(2) He has divided the world. "We are all Americans now," headlined Le Monde on that Sept. 12. Now there are days when it seems as if they are all anti-Americans.

(3) He is leaving no child or grandchild without debt. He has taken the government from surplus into deficit in the name of national security and increased private investment. We can pay the debt in two ways: with more government revenues or by borrowing -- against the sweat and income of new generations. The president has chosen to borrow.

(4) He campaigns as a champion of smaller government, but is greatly increasing the size and role of government. Ideological conservatism, it turns out, costs just as much or more than ideological liberalism. Conservative and liberal politicians are both for increasing the reach and power of government. The difference between them is which parts and functions of the state are to be empowered and financed. The choice is between military measures and order, or more redistribution of income. Money is power.

(5) He is diminishing the military of which he is so proud now as commander in chief. The invasion and occupation of Iraq have obviously not worked out the way he imagined -- naked torture was not the goal. But the far greater problem for the future is that our proud commander has revealed the hollowness behind the unilateral superpower. From the top down, we have not been able to win Iraq, much less the world. And going into Iraq has compromised or crippled the war on terror he declared himself.

(6) He is diminishing scientific progress, the great engine of the 20th century. Only the truly ignorant can believe that the proper role of government is to hinder medical research and environmental study in the name of God.

(7) He is diminishing the Constitution of the United States. Cheesy tricks like amending the great text of freedom to attack homosexuality can be dismissed as wedge politics. But it is worse to preach against an activist judiciary while appointing more activist judges who happen to hold different beliefs, particularly the idea that civil liberties are the enemies of patriotism, security and freedom itself.

( 8 ) He has surrounded himself with other incompetents. The secretary of state is presiding over the rape of diplomacy and its alliances. The secretary of defense has sent our young men and women into situations they were never meant or trained to handle, and now they are being ordered into battle by an appointed minister in a faraway land. The national security adviser does not seem to know that her job description includes coordinating defense and diplomacy. And then there was our $340,000-a-month local hire, Ahmed Chalabi, sitting in the gallery of our House.

(9) He has been unable or unwilling to deal with declining employment and the rising medical costs of becoming an older nation.

(10) He is, as if by design, destroying the credibility of the United States as a force for peace in the world -- an honest broker -- particularly in the Middle East.

The list is longer, miscalculation after miscalculation. President Bush has not been able to function effectively at this pay grade. He may mean well, but this has been a difficult time, and he is in over his head. We and our kids will pay the price for his blundering, blunderbuss adventure in Washington. He has been tested in a difficult time -- and, unhappily for all of us and the world, he has not been up to the job.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=s ... ncompetent


He makes very few points that cannot be rebutted easily or plainly ignored as political blather. If this is the best that Kerry supporters can muster I don't believe it will be enough.
User avatar
Truant
Way too much time!
Way too much time!
Posts: 4440
Joined: July 4, 2002, 12:37 am
Location: Trumania
Contact:

Post by Truant »

What does this guy have to do with Kerry or the Kerry Campaign?
User avatar
Niffoni
Way too much time!
Way too much time!
Posts: 1318
Joined: February 18, 2003, 12:53 pm
Gender: Mangina
Location: Halifax, Nova Scotia

Post by Niffoni »

Sadly, your post is disqualified for using the term "Kerry Kool-Aid".
Let's think the unthinkable, let's do the undoable, let's prepare to grapple with the ineffable itself, and see if we may not eff it after all. - Douglas Adams
User avatar
Kilmoll the Sexy
Super Poster!
Super Poster!
Posts: 5295
Joined: July 3, 2002, 3:31 pm
Gender: Male
XBL Gamertag: bunkeru2k
Location: Ohio

Post by Kilmoll the Sexy »

(1) He has divided the country; we are all part of a vicious little hissing match. We were united and humbled on Sept. 12, 2001. We are divided and humiliated now, telling lies about each other.
Because we were all united and brotherly before 9-11.......give me a fucking break. If Jesus came back tomorrow, there would still be bickering and nastiness since it is an election year.
(2) He has divided the world. "We are all Americans now," headlined Le Monde on that Sept. 12. Now there are days when it seems as if they are all anti-Americans.


Yes. Right up until they want cash or tropps for aid...then they are back on the bandwagon.
(3) He is leaving no child or grandchild without debt. He has taken the government from surplus into deficit in the name of national security and increased private investment. We can pay the debt in two ways: with more government revenues or by borrowing -- against the sweat and income of new generations. The president has chosen to borrow.
Did he say we had a surplus before Bush came on board? Ahahahahahaha.
(4) He campaigns as a champion of smaller government, but is greatly increasing the size and role of government. Ideological conservatism, it turns out, costs just as much or more than ideological liberalism. Conservative and liberal politicians are both for increasing the reach and power of government. The difference between them is which parts and functions of the state are to be empowered and financed. The choice is between military measures and order, or more redistribution of income. Money is power.

Yes....having homeland security is a terrible idea now.

(5) He is diminishing the military of which he is so proud now as commander in chief. The invasion and occupation of Iraq have obviously not worked out the way he imagined -- naked torture was not the goal. But the far greater problem for the future is that our proud commander has revealed the hollowness behind the unilateral superpower. From the top down, we have not been able to win Iraq, much less the world. And going into Iraq has compromised or crippled the war on terror he declared himself.
Because Bush himself decreed that we should tortue Iraqis! You can thank some fuckwad bored idiots for the whole torture scandal.
(6) He is diminishing scientific progress, the great engine of the 20th century. Only the truly ignorant can believe that the proper role of government is to hinder medical research and environmental study in the name of God.
I must have missed the part where the stopped considering NASA and space exploration from the realm of scientific progress.
(7) He is diminishing the Constitution of the United States. Cheesy tricks like amending the great text of freedom to attack homosexuality can be dismissed as wedge politics. But it is worse to preach against an activist judiciary while appointing more activist judges who happen to hold different beliefs, particularly the idea that civil liberties are the enemies of patriotism, security and freedom itself.
And recent polls in Ohio showed that only about 25% of the people actually think you should be able to have homosexual marriage. He must be way off in his thinking.
( 8 ) He has surrounded himself with other incompetents. The secretary of state is presiding over the rape of diplomacy and its alliances. The secretary of defense has sent our young men and women into situations they were never meant or trained to handle, and now they are being ordered into battle by an appointed minister in a faraway land. The national security adviser does not seem to know that her job description includes coordinating defense and diplomacy. And then there was our $340,000-a-month local hire, Ahmed Chalabi, sitting in the gallery of our House.
Hey....I agree with this. 90% of Bush's problems do stem from having corrupt imbeciles surrounding him.
(9) He has been unable or unwilling to deal with declining employment and the rising medical costs of becoming an older nation.
He is screwing the pooch on this one. Letting jobs go out of country is stupid. I don't see any easy way to take care of medical costs......I sure as hell do nto want to be paying for medical for other people either.
(10) He is, as if by design, destroying the credibility of the United States as a force for peace in the world -- an honest broker -- particularly in the Middle East.
And we will never have any credibility there until we do not have ties to Israel...which won't happen....OR until someone gets invaded and then they come begging.
[/quote]
User avatar
archeiron
Way too much time!
Way too much time!
Posts: 1289
Joined: April 14, 2003, 5:39 am

Re: The Real Issue: Bush is Incompetent

Post by archeiron »

Metanis wrote:If this is the best that Kerry supporters can muster I don't believe it will be enough.
Using factual information and valid logical constructs, would you care to qualify what makes this person a Kerry supporter? All I can see is a person with poor writing/speaking skills and a superficial grasp of some issues bashing on Bush. For example, I am vehemently opposed to Bush, but that does not make me a Kerry supporter. The enemy of my enemy is not necessarily my friend.
[65 Storm Warden] Archeiron Leafstalker (Wood Elf) <Sovereign>RETIRED
User avatar
archeiron
Way too much time!
Way too much time!
Posts: 1289
Joined: April 14, 2003, 5:39 am

Post by archeiron »

Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:...
(7) He is diminishing the Constitution of the United States. Cheesy tricks like amending the great text of freedom to attack homosexuality can be dismissed as wedge politics. But it is worse to preach against an activist judiciary while appointing more activist judges who happen to hold different beliefs, particularly the idea that civil liberties are the enemies of patriotism, security and freedom itself.
And recent polls in Ohio showed that only about 25% of the people actually think you should be able to have homosexual marriage. He must be way off in his thinking.
If you took a poll in 1965 in Alabama to see how many people thought that poor black people should have the right to vote, do you think that the percentage that said yes would be similar to your Ohio survey numbers?

Many people in America are all for freedom and equality for themselves and people just like them, but don't seem to extend that to every other American in the country. The government's job isn't to pander to these people's misguided ideas at the expense of other Americans.


Otherwise, you did a decent job of picking apart the very weak original article.
[65 Storm Warden] Archeiron Leafstalker (Wood Elf) <Sovereign>RETIRED
User avatar
Metanis
Way too much time!
Way too much time!
Posts: 1417
Joined: July 5, 2002, 4:54 pm
Location: Wisconsin

Re: The Real Issue: Bush is Incompetent

Post by Metanis »

archeiron wrote:
Metanis wrote:If this is the best that Kerry supporters can muster I don't believe it will be enough.
Using factual information and valid logical constructs, would you care to qualify what makes this person a Kerry supporter? All I can see is a person with poor writing/speaking skills and a superficial grasp of some issues bashing on Bush. For example, I am vehemently opposed to Bush, but that does not make me a Kerry supporter. The enemy of my enemy is not necessarily my friend.
Very perceptive of you Archeiron. You win!

Don't you think the fact that Kerry's name doesn't even appear in the column one of the most delicious parts of it?

It's trying to sell the proposition that anyone other than Bush is acceptable. It's a brilliant approach when you have so little positive to say about the guy you DO support.

Regarding the author, Mr. Reeves is a nationally syndicated author and columnist. According to his web site he has published 14 books on politics and his column appears in 100 newspapers. In other words he is one of the "elite" that attempts to shape the boundries of the debate. For years now he as been passing himself off as a moderate.
User avatar
Zaelath
Way too much time!
Way too much time!
Posts: 4621
Joined: April 11, 2003, 5:53 am
Location: Canberra

Post by Zaelath »

Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:
(3) He is leaving no child or grandchild without debt. He has taken the government from surplus into deficit in the name of national security and increased private investment. We can pay the debt in two ways: with more government revenues or by borrowing -- against the sweat and income of new generations. The president has chosen to borrow.
Did he say we had a surplus before Bush came on board? Ahahahahahaha.
Sorry, what am I missing? Bush himself said there was a surplus IIRC, or are you revisionist historians that blatant now?
Lynks
Way too much time!
Way too much time!
Posts: 2774
Joined: September 30, 2002, 6:58 pm
XBL Gamertag: launchpad1979
Location: Sudbury, Ontario

Post by Lynks »

I'm pretty sure the US had a surplus of around 120 billion when Bush came into office.
User avatar
Pherr the Dorf
Way too much time!
Way too much time!
Posts: 2913
Joined: January 31, 2003, 9:30 pm
Gender: Male
Location: Sonoma County Calimifornia

Post by Pherr the Dorf »

Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:
(2) He has divided the world. "We are all Americans now," headlined Le Monde on that Sept. 12. Now there are days when it seems as if they are all anti-Americans.


Yes. Right up until they want cash or tropps for aid...then they are back on the bandwagon.

He has divided the world, you can't argue that. Maybe you don't get what being truely poor and needy is about, you would do whatever it takes to get by, even take money from someone you despise. That quote was from a French newspaper and I don't recall them asking for aid or troop help from the US in more then a couple decades
(3) He is leaving no child or grandchild without debt. He has taken the government from surplus into deficit in the name of national security and increased private investment. We can pay the debt in two ways: with more government revenues or by borrowing -- against the sweat and income of new generations. The president has chosen to borrow.
Did he say we had a surplus before Bush came on board? Ahahahahahaha.
Sep. 7, 2000 Flush with surplus funds from America's decade-long economic boom – [the government] announced in August 1999 it would start paying off its debts. [It] has paid off roughly $100 billion of the national debt so far this year [2000].
The first duty of a patriot is to question the government

Jefferson
User avatar
miir
Super Poster!
Super Poster!
Posts: 11501
Joined: July 3, 2002, 3:06 pm
XBL Gamertag: miir1
Location: Toronto
Contact:

Post by miir »

I must have missed the part where the stopped considering NASA and space exploration from the realm of scientific progress.
Stem cell research.
I've got 99 problems and I'm not dealing with any of them - Lay-Z
User avatar
Kilmoll the Sexy
Super Poster!
Super Poster!
Posts: 5295
Joined: July 3, 2002, 3:31 pm
Gender: Male
XBL Gamertag: bunkeru2k
Location: Ohio

Post by Kilmoll the Sexy »

Pherr the Dorf wrote:Sep. 7, 2000 Flush with surplus funds from America's decade-long economic boom – [the government] announced in August 1999 it would start paying off its debts. [It] has paid off roughly $100 billion of the national debt so far this year [2000].

You CANNOT have a surplus if you are actually in debt. That is just simply retarded. That is like me saying I have a surplus of $10,000 although I owe about $300,000 on my house. It still would add up to me being $290k in the hole.
User avatar
Metanis
Way too much time!
Way too much time!
Posts: 1417
Joined: July 5, 2002, 4:54 pm
Location: Wisconsin

Post by Metanis »

miir wrote:
I must have missed the part where the stopped considering NASA and space exploration from the realm of scientific progress.
Stem cell research.
/sarcasm

Of course there are no ethical considerations involved in the issue of Stem Cell research. But you're one of the truly enlightened and are emminently qualified to make those ethical decisions for us poor ignorant souls.

/sarcasm off

http://www.bioethics.gov/background/outkapaper.html
User avatar
Kilmoll the Sexy
Super Poster!
Super Poster!
Posts: 5295
Joined: July 3, 2002, 3:31 pm
Gender: Male
XBL Gamertag: bunkeru2k
Location: Ohio

Post by Kilmoll the Sexy »

miir wrote:
I must have missed the part where the stopped considering NASA and space exploration from the realm of scientific progress.
Stem cell research.
Bush isn't diminishing shit. Where does it say that other countries can't actually do stem cell research? Whether good or bad, he is pushing for a different type of exploration....that being space. Is there some kind of rule in the world that says we have to do it all?
User avatar
Pherr the Dorf
Way too much time!
Way too much time!
Posts: 2913
Joined: January 31, 2003, 9:30 pm
Gender: Male
Location: Sonoma County Calimifornia

Post by Pherr the Dorf »

Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:
Pherr the Dorf wrote:Sep. 7, 2000 Flush with surplus funds from America's decade-long economic boom – [the government] announced in August 1999 it would start paying off its debts. [It] has paid off roughly $100 billion of the national debt so far this year [2000].

You CANNOT have a surplus if you are actually in debt. That is just simply retarded. That is like me saying I have a surplus of $10,000 although I owe about $300,000 on my house. It still would add up to me being $290k in the hole.
Wow you are at odds with every economist out there. Yearly budgets can have a surplus. Just because you owe 300,000 if you are able to pay down that debt then this year was a pretty good year.
The first duty of a patriot is to question the government

Jefferson
User avatar
archeiron
Way too much time!
Way too much time!
Posts: 1289
Joined: April 14, 2003, 5:39 am

Post by archeiron »

Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:
Pherr the Dorf wrote:Sep. 7, 2000 Flush with surplus funds from America's decade-long economic boom – [the government] announced in August 1999 it would start paying off its debts. [It] has paid off roughly $100 billion of the national debt so far this year [2000].

You CANNOT have a surplus if you are actually in debt. That is just simply retarded. That is like me saying I have a surplus of $10,000 although I owe about $300,000 on my house. It still would add up to me being $290k in the hole.
You are thinking about it the wrong way. Lets say you owe $300,000 on your house, but you continue to take out new loans to finance restoration work etc. With each passing year, the total amount that you owe continues to grow substantially. For ten years this pattern continues. When you reach a point where you are paying off the debt rather than accumulating more, it is a significant milestone.

The surplus isn't overall, it is a surplus when compared to spending.
[65 Storm Warden] Archeiron Leafstalker (Wood Elf) <Sovereign>RETIRED
User avatar
Kilmoll the Sexy
Super Poster!
Super Poster!
Posts: 5295
Joined: July 3, 2002, 3:31 pm
Gender: Male
XBL Gamertag: bunkeru2k
Location: Ohio

Post by Kilmoll the Sexy »

This article says jack and shit about a yearly budgetary surplus. It says he has taken the government from "surplus to defecit".
He is leaving no child or grandchild without debt
What was our national debt before he took office? How many trillion? Bush was responsible for that?
*~*stragi*~*
Way too much time!
Way too much time!
Posts: 3876
Joined: July 3, 2002, 1:59 pm
Gender: Male
XBL Gamertag: kimj0ngil
Location: Ahwatukee, Arizona
Contact:

Post by *~*stragi*~* »

It's implied, common sense... shit, even I knew they were talking about a budget surplus.

Didn't that bush game say it was like a 5 trillion dollar surplus? I remember that number in there.. bush was standing on a pile of money and it went lower and lower.. that game was fun!
User avatar
Niffoni
Way too much time!
Way too much time!
Posts: 1318
Joined: February 18, 2003, 12:53 pm
Gender: Mangina
Location: Halifax, Nova Scotia

Post by Niffoni »

Stragi wrote:Didn't that bush game say it was like a 5 trillion dollar surplus? I remember that number in there.. bush was standing on a pile of money and it went lower and lower.. that game was fun!
http://bushgame.com/g2.html

That link takes your directly to that part of the game.

It's an awesome game if you can ignore the occasional liberal rah-rah bullshit.
Let's think the unthinkable, let's do the undoable, let's prepare to grapple with the ineffable itself, and see if we may not eff it after all. - Douglas Adams
*~*stragi*~*
Way too much time!
Way too much time!
Posts: 3876
Joined: July 3, 2002, 1:59 pm
Gender: Male
XBL Gamertag: kimj0ngil
Location: Ahwatukee, Arizona
Contact:

Post by *~*stragi*~* »

gotcha, thanks!
User avatar
Kelshara
Way too much time!
Way too much time!
Posts: 4176
Joined: November 18, 2002, 10:44 am
Location: Norway

Post by Kelshara »

But you're one of the truly enlightened and are emminently qualified to make those ethical decisions for us poor ignorant souls.
You finally got something right!
User avatar
Metanis
Way too much time!
Way too much time!
Posts: 1417
Joined: July 5, 2002, 4:54 pm
Location: Wisconsin

Post by Metanis »

Kelshara wrote:
But you're one of the truly enlightened and are emminently qualified to make those ethical decisions for us poor ignorant souls.
You finally got something right!
What's for dinner?
User avatar
archeiron
Way too much time!
Way too much time!
Posts: 1289
Joined: April 14, 2003, 5:39 am

Post by archeiron »

Metanis wrote:
Kelshara wrote:
But you're one of the truly enlightened and are emminently qualified to make those ethical decisions for us poor ignorant souls.
You finally got something right!
What's for dinner?
As a guideline, isn't the distinction between morality and ethics that morality relates to a personal/private issue while ethics are related to business/professional practices?

Do you eat professionally? ;)
[65 Storm Warden] Archeiron Leafstalker (Wood Elf) <Sovereign>RETIRED
User avatar
Xzion
Way too much time!
Way too much time!
Posts: 2567
Joined: September 22, 2002, 7:36 pm

Post by Xzion »

Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:
miir wrote:
I must have missed the part where the stopped considering NASA and space exploration from the realm of scientific progress.
Stem cell research.
Bush isn't diminishing shit. Where does it say that other countries can't actually do stem cell research? Whether good or bad, he is pushing for a different type of exploration....that being space. Is there some kind of rule in the world that says we have to do it all?
Personally i would rather spend money on curing deseases and saving lives then exploring fucking wastelands full of rocks sand, and about nothing else
-xzionis human mage on mannoroth
-zeltharath tauren shaman on wildhammer
User avatar
Metanis
Way too much time!
Way too much time!
Posts: 1417
Joined: July 5, 2002, 4:54 pm
Location: Wisconsin

Post by Metanis »

archeiron wrote:
Metanis wrote:
Kelshara wrote:
But you're one of the truly enlightened and are emminently qualified to make those ethical decisions for us poor ignorant souls.
You finally got something right!
What's for dinner?
As a guideline, isn't the distinction between morality and ethics that morality relates to a personal/private issue while ethics are related to business/professional practices?

Do you eat professionally? ;)
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=ethics
eth·ic ( P ) Pronunciation Key (thk)
n.

1.a. A set of principles of right conduct.
1. b. A theory or a system of moral values: “An ethic of service is at war with a craving for gain” (Gregg Easterbrook).
2. ethics (used with a sing. verb) The study of the general nature of morals and of the specific moral choices to be made by a person; moral philosophy.
3. ethics (used with a sing. or pl. verb) The rules or standards governing the conduct of a person or the members of a profession: medical ethics.
I'm not sure I eat professionally but that reminds me of a funny movie I saw quite some years ago. It was called Eating Raul and I saw it on the Playboy channel. The punchline was that it wasn't about oral sex... it was about cannibalism. The movie was actually pretty funny and humorous in a dark way.
Toshira
Almost 1337
Almost 1337
Posts: 724
Joined: July 23, 2002, 7:49 pm
Location: White Flight Land, USA

Post by Toshira »

Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:This article says jack and shit about a yearly budgetary surplus. It says he has taken the government from "surplus to defecit".
He is leaving no child or grandchild without debt
What was our national debt before he took office? How many trillion? Bush was responsible for that?
No. He's just making it better.

Leadership. Integrity. Intelligence. Bush in '04.
There is not enough disk space available to delete this file, please delete some files to free up disk space.
User avatar
Kilmoll the Sexy
Super Poster!
Super Poster!
Posts: 5295
Joined: July 3, 2002, 3:31 pm
Gender: Male
XBL Gamertag: bunkeru2k
Location: Ohio

Post by Kilmoll the Sexy »

And you know as well as I do that neither candidate is even marginally better than the other in any of those 3 qualities. There would be the same mud slinging crap no matter who ran for the GOP.
Toshira
Almost 1337
Almost 1337
Posts: 724
Joined: July 23, 2002, 7:49 pm
Location: White Flight Land, USA

Post by Toshira »

Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:And you know as well as I do that neither candidate is even marginally better than the other in any of those 3 qualities. There would be the same mud slinging crap no matter who ran for the GOP.
Right. Bush and Kerry are equally intelligent.
There is not enough disk space available to delete this file, please delete some files to free up disk space.
Post Reply