Presidental survey Poll

Markulas · Post by **Markulas** » August 29, 2004, 3:36 pm

Not the best poll on the issues, but Hey its from Minnesota so what do you expect(j/k)?

Tell us where you stand after plz.

http://news.minnesota.publicradio.org/c ... pres.shtml

Akaran_D · Post by **Akaran_D** » August 29, 2004, 3:42 pm

Not just incredibly baised, but wrong..
Gave me Kerry.

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » August 29, 2004, 3:55 pm

Kerry: 64
Nader: 57
Bush: 14

Lynks · Post by **Lynks** » August 29, 2004, 4:02 pm

Nader: 60
Kerry: 30
Bush: 30

Sionistic · Post by **Sionistic** » August 29, 2004, 4:12 pm

jesus, 53 for Kerry, Nader
23 for Bush

Metanis · Post by **Metanis** » August 29, 2004, 4:13 pm

Bush 92
Kerry 7
Nader 0

It was a stupid poll. For example, the question regarding illegal immigration had no option for "Send them home."

The question on gay marraige had no provision for eliminating marraige as a government sponsored activity.

The question on energy policy was too limiting. I support drilling in the ANWR, but I also support everything from nuclear power to growing corn for ethanol to investing tax dollars into energy independance.

In other words, it was a poll designed by a typical starry-eyed liberal. Kelshara did you work on this?

Arborealus · Post by **Arborealus** » August 29, 2004, 4:14 pm

Nader 73
Kerry 60
Bush nada

Sionistic · Post by **Sionistic** » August 29, 2004, 4:16 pm

I would so like to say "I would vote for Nader", but when you listen to him talk for more then 30 seconds you feel like you want to strangle him.

Rivera Bladestrike · Post by **Rivera Bladestrike** » August 29, 2004, 4:40 pm

58 Kerry
33 Nader
25 Bush

Lohrno · Post by **Lohrno** » August 29, 2004, 4:42 pm

Hmm..

Kerry 63
Nader 32
Bush 23

I think a more acurate mechanism though might be to rate importance to you...There was a political compass thing somewhere...

-=Lohrno

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » August 29, 2004, 5:29 pm

In other words, it was a poll designed by a typical starry-eyed liberal. Kelshara did you work on this?

Nah but if you want me to I can write one up real quick including options you will love like "reinstate slavery of blacks", "kill all muslims", "invade any country on a whim" and "force Christianity on everyone".

Hate to tell you.. I didn't find a single option on that poll that fit with my views.

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » August 29, 2004, 5:43 pm

John Kerry 57.0
Ralph Nader 35.0
George Bush 28.0

Metaphantasus · Post by **Metaphantasus** » August 29, 2004, 5:51 pm

I think I like Kelshara

Metaphantasus · Post by **Metaphantasus** » August 29, 2004, 5:52 pm

Kerry 54
Nader 45
Bush 27

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » August 29, 2004, 6:04 pm

Here are the candidates in the order in which they match your views:

Click on a candidate's name or photo to learn more about the candidate.

Issues in boldface are those you selected as important.

A match on an issue is denoted with a check mark ().
Ralph Nader
50.0
John Kerry
50.0
George Bush
25.0

not too accurate at all, this poll looked more conservative then anything metanis

Fesuni Chopsui · Post by **Fesuni Chopsui** » August 29, 2004, 6:10 pm

Ralph Nader 60
John Kerry 40
Bush 0

I wouldn't vote for Nader if my life depended on it, so there!

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » August 29, 2004, 6:12 pm

You should be shot if you use this poll to decide who you vote for.

Lohrno · Post by **Lohrno** » August 29, 2004, 7:02 pm

Winnow wrote:You should be shot if you use this poll to decide who you vote for.

Or if you really need a questionaire to make your decisions for you in the first place...

-=Lohrno

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » August 29, 2004, 7:22 pm

John Kerry 57.0
Ralph Nader 57.0
George Bush 14.0

archeiron · Post by **archeiron** » August 29, 2004, 7:29 pm

Nader: 58.0
Bush: 41.0
Kerry: 25.0

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » August 29, 2004, 7:45 pm

Winnow wrote:You should be shot if you use this poll to decide who you vote for.

Being stupid enough to use this poll to decide who you vote for is as stupid as just voting for bush

Toshira · Post by **Toshira** » August 29, 2004, 8:01 pm

Winnow wrote:You should be shot if you use this poll to decide who you vote for.

Right. Better to just vote for the one who has God on his side.

This is how the poll works. When candidates have been kind enough to actually state positions on issues or have cast votes in support of it, that position becomes one of the answers for the poll.

The reason there is no "send them back" for the illegal aliens question, is because neither of the 3 candidates would do this. The "poll answers" are only taken from Ralph, George and John's plans.

It then takes the answer you gave and multiplies it by either zero or a low number if you checked "this issue is not important to me", or a # > 1 if you marked it as "Important".

Finally, this isn't a poll, and actually, it's not that bad of a tool to use if things like issues mean anything to you, or at least give you a guide to who thinks what. I'd be willing to bet that 95% of Americans use a more irrational method to determine who to vote for. Maybe it's just me, but saying "Hrmm, how do I feel each issue should be handled?", weighting the importance of those issues and adding them up to find which candidate has the most solutions close to your own, doesn't seem that stupid if it's part of your selection process.

The root problem is that the policy descriptions (or answers) are subjective interpretations of an individual candidate's views, and as such, probably miss some nuances.

They can also miss the big picture. My answers said Nader was the best choice. Not...gonna...do it. Wouldn't...be...prudent.

Lohrno · Post by **Lohrno** » August 29, 2004, 8:22 pm

That's all well and good, but it also doesn't take into account how important certain issues are compared to others. Say they were all 50% for me...Like I agree with Bush maybe on Gun control, and it's slightly important to me, but I majorly disagree with his handling in Iraq, and that's much more important. That system would give you a more accurate read...

Like give two options: How important is this issue? 0 - 10
You would say that: blah

Things aren't either unimportant or important, there are many shades.

But moreover, I think if you haven't been paying attention to what the candidates are saying and you need a computer program to do it for you, then you might as well not bother voting...

-=Lohrno

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » August 29, 2004, 8:25 pm

Metanis wrote:It was a stupid poll. For example, the question regarding illegal immigration had no option for "Send them home."

no joke. there should have been an option to murder them like animals and carpet bomb their shitty 3rd world countries.

who else is going to recognize marriage as an official institution if not the government? please tell me you're trolling and not this fucking retarded because you just hit a new low.

Toshira · Post by **Toshira** » August 29, 2004, 8:34 pm

Lohrno wrote:That's all well and good, but it also doesn't take into account how important certain issues are compared to others. Say they were all 50% for me...Like I agree with Bush maybe on Gun control, and it's slightly important to me, but I majorly disagree with his handling in Iraq, and that's much more important. That system would give you a more accurate read...

Like give two options: How important is this issue? 0 - 10
You would say that: blah

Things aren't either unimportant or important, there are many shades.

But moreover, I think if you haven't been paying attention to what the candidates are saying and you need a computer program to do it for you, then you might as well not bother voting...

-=Lohrno

I agree, it should probably be numerically based instead of a toggle for importance.

With regards to your other point, if you're just listening to what the candidates are saying and voting on that, I'd say your vote is not very informed.

Funny to see so much resistance to this "poll" - people don't like being simplified and reduced to simple numbers! We'd like to think we're more sophistacated than that. Which is why, come November, I'll be voting for the candidate who's daughter flashes some titties.

Lohrno · Post by **Lohrno** » August 29, 2004, 8:42 pm

Toshira wrote: With regards to your other point, if you're just listening to what the candidates are saying and voting on that, I'd say your vote is not very informed.

Hah! I agree, good point!

It's just as important to pay attention to their actions and a little history.
So you're voting for Kerry right? (erm well in that picture, it wasn't exactly flashing, but you could see them for sure. Too bad she's kinda fugly.

)

-=Lohrno

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » August 29, 2004, 8:47 pm

As Lohrno pointed out, all issues aren't weighted equally and all issues aren't presented here. Additional factors would be determining which candidates have always held the same position and which are likely to flipflop making a particular choice meaningless in a poll.

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » August 29, 2004, 9:21 pm

I believe Bush will flip-flop so whatever he says now is pointless.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » August 29, 2004, 9:24 pm

Bush - 53%
Kerry - 46%
Nadar - 20%

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » August 29, 2004, 9:45 pm

Bush 66
Kerry 23
Nader 13

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » August 30, 2004, 2:17 am

Kelshara wrote:I believe Bush will flip-flop so whatever he says now is pointless.

Well there you go! Those with low numbers for Bush on this thread should flip flop them.

Spang · Post by **Spang** » August 30, 2004, 9:18 am

Ralph Nader: 57.0

John Kerry: 50.0

George Bush: 35.0

Knibble · Post by **Knibble** » August 30, 2004, 9:47 am

Bush-69
Kerry-39

Sylvos · Post by **Sylvos** » August 30, 2004, 10:05 am

Bush - 53
Nader - 30
Kerry - 23

Keverian FireCry · Post by **Keverian FireCry** » August 30, 2004, 12:24 pm

Ralph Nader-71.0
John Kerry-64.0
George Bush-0.0

...

Guess who won't be voting for George Pussy this year?

masteen · Post by **masteen** » August 30, 2004, 12:41 pm

44 Bush
44 Kerry
22 Nader

I guess im generally moderate.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » August 30, 2004, 1:48 pm

58 Bush
41 Kerry
25 Nader

Some of the issues needed other options like the tax question. All it did was ask about the tax breaks for the rich and nothing about taxes in general. It's an incomplete and misleading survey.

*~*stragi*~* · Post by ***~*stragi*~*** » August 30, 2004, 2:17 pm

Metanis wrote:Bush 92
Kerry 7
Nader 0

It was a stupid poll. For example, the question regarding illegal immigration had no option for "Send them home."

The question on gay marraige had no provision for eliminating marraige as a government sponsored activity.

The question on energy policy was too limiting. I support drilling in the ANWR, but I also support everything from nuclear power to growing corn for ethanol to investing tax dollars into energy independance.

In other words, it was a poll designed by a typical starry-eyed liberal. Kelshara did you work on this?

What would you call me then? I agree with everything you just listed.

66 for Nader... wtf

Nneena · Post by **Nneena** » August 30, 2004, 2:51 pm

Bush 90
Nader 10

Toshira · Post by **Toshira** » August 30, 2004, 2:58 pm

Winnow wrote:As Lohrno pointed out, all issues aren't weighted equally and all issues aren't presented here. Additional factors would be determining which candidates have always held the same position and which are likely to flipflop making a particular choice meaningless in a poll.

Again, you oversimplify.

Take what candidate X says he (sigh) will do. Compare it to past record, and remember, how they might have voted on a particular issue is also influenced by what else was attached to the bill at the time.

Use it as a FACTOR in helping choose a candidate.

Not meaningless, just shouldn't be the entire basis of your decision.

Xatrei · Post by **Xatrei** » August 30, 2004, 3:20 pm

60 - Bush
26 - Nader
20 - Kerry

The numbers are off from how I would have scored any of the candidates, but not too much. Bush got a higher number than I would have given him.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » August 30, 2004, 4:08 pm

Toshira wrote: Again, you oversimplify.

Take what candidate X says he (sigh) will do. Compare it to past record, and remember, how they might have voted on a particular issue is also influenced by what else was attached to the bill at the time.

Use it as a FACTOR in helping choose a candidate.

Not meaningless, just shouldn't be the entire basis of your decision.

I can't take any survey seriously that is going to rank the candidates and the only question about taxes is if you agree or disagree with rolling back the tax breaks given to the rich.

Do you believe tax breaks for upper income individuals and corporations, which were approved by Congress in 2003, should be revoked or preserved?

Are you serious? How fucking biased can you be on a survey? There is no balancing with questions on how Kerry is going to handle taxes.

Extreme example:

Kerry plans to double the taxes on the poor and roll back the taxes for the rich. This survey only shows a possible tax rollback solution. You could end up 100 percent Kerry and screw yourself. This poll is not balanced.

Metanis · Post by **Metanis** » August 30, 2004, 4:14 pm

Stragi wrote:
Metanis wrote:Bush 92
Kerry 7
Nader 0

It was a stupid poll. For example, the question regarding illegal immigration had no option for "Send them home."

The question on gay marraige had no provision for eliminating marraige as a government sponsored activity.

The question on energy policy was too limiting. I support drilling in the ANWR, but I also support everything from nuclear power to growing corn for ethanol to investing tax dollars into energy independance.

In other words, it was a poll designed by a typical starry-eyed liberal. Kelshara did you work on this?
What would you call me then? I agree with everything you just listed.

66 for Nader... wtf

Sicko! You're a closet libertarian confused by the allure of easy money!

*~*stragi*~* · Post by ***~*stragi*~*** » August 30, 2004, 4:39 pm

I guess!
Or maybe I'm just a bush-hatin' moderate republican

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » August 30, 2004, 4:47 pm

Stragi wrote:I guess!
Or maybe I'm just a bush-hatin' moderate republican

Stragi can be bought. I'm currently putting together a collection of games and anime DVDs that will assure Bush gets the 10 electoral votes in Arizona.

Any of you other swing state voters out there send me a PM! I've got 30 subscriptions to Vibe Magazine to give away!

Kluden · Post by **Kluden** » August 30, 2004, 4:54 pm

hrmmm...what are these games and anime dvds you speek of...my vote is definitely for sale

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » August 30, 2004, 5:08 pm

Kluden wrote:hrmmm...what are these games and anime dvds you speek of...my vote is definitely for sale

Hmmm Washington State shows "Weak Kerry" support.

Current standings according to the original posted site:

http://www.electoral-vote.com/

Kerry 249
Bush 232

Your 11 electoral votes in Washington could swing the election! I think we can do business Kluden!

Sirton · Post by **Sirton** » August 30, 2004, 5:22 pm

100 Bush

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » August 30, 2004, 5:30 pm

Sirton didn't even go to the site.

Toshira · Post by **Toshira** » August 30, 2004, 5:41 pm

Winnow wrote:
Toshira wrote: Again, you oversimplify.

Take what candidate X says he (sigh) will do. Compare it to past record, and remember, how they might have voted on a particular issue is also influenced by what else was attached to the bill at the time.

Use it as a FACTOR in helping choose a candidate.

Not meaningless, just shouldn't be the entire basis of your decision.
I can't take any survey seriously that is going to rank the candidates and the only question about taxes is if you agree or disagree with rolling back the tax breaks given to the rich.

Gee Winnow, it sounds like taxes are an important issue for you. Maybe you should find out more about what the candidates plan to do on tax issues.

It shouldn't have been called a poll in the first place. It's not a series of questions designed to get your opinion about something, it's a series of answers designed to find your best pigeon hole.