All the Candidate
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Site with all of the parties running, including many I have never heard of. Some of them are pretty amusing.
http://www.politics1.com/p2004.htm
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Isn't he still serving a life sentence (or still a political prisoner depending on your viewpoint)? I guess if he wins, he can pardon himselfPEACE & FREEDOM PARTY:
Leonard Peltier (Kansas)
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He is both, a political prisoner serving a life sentenceXunilTlatoani wrote:Isn't he still serving a life sentence (or still a political prisoner depending on your viewpoint)? I guess if he wins, he can pardon himselfPEACE & FREEDOM PARTY:
Leonard Peltier (Kansas)
Presidential Nominee
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Who is he?
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But I guess that on the other hand, I could be like the rest.
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But I guess that on the other hand, I could be like the rest.
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Akaran_D wrote:Who is he?
His trial was simply a sham, there is no real way to prove his guilt or innocence, but he was not given a fair trial by a long shot.The facts of this case have long been the subject of intensive investigation and documentation. We wish to set forth the following summary for your convenience:
(1) On February 27, 1973, members of the American Indian Movement, or AIM, together with a number of local and traditional Native Americans began their seventy-two day occupation of Wounded Knee. Their goal was to protest injustices against their tribes, violations of the many treaties, and current abuses and repression against their people. The United States government responded with a military style assault against the protesters. In the end, various officials promised hearings on local conditions and treaty violations. These hearings were never convened. The use of military force by the U.S. government was later ruled unlawful.
(2) Throughout the next three years, long referred to by local Native Americans as the "Reign of Terror," the FBI carried out intensive local surveillance, as well as the repeated arrests, harassment and bad faith legal proceedings against AIM leaders and supporters. The FBI also closely collaborated with and supported the local tribal chairperson, Dick Wilson, and his selected vigilantes, the "Guardians of the Oglala nation, or quite literally, the "GOONS. Mr. Wilson was notorious for his corruption and abuse of power.
During this "Reign of Terror," some sixty-four local Native Americans were murdered. (See attached list). Three hundred were harassed beaten or otherwise abused. Virtually all of the victims were either affiliated with AIM or their allies, the traditional tribe members. The FBI had jurisdiction to investigate major crimes, yet these deaths were never adequately investigated or resolved. Nor did the FBI agents take any measures to curb the violence of GOONS, with whom they were closely collaborating.
(3) After Wounded Knee, both Dennis Banks and Russell Means were brought to trial. The prosecution presented the testimony of a Mr. Moves Camp. This testimony was shown to be pure fabrication, with serious implications of FBI misconduct. The judge dismissed the case, declaring that "the waters of justice have been polluted. (383 F. Supp., pp.397-8). The jurors asked the U.S. Attorney General not to appeal the case. (New York Times 26 Sept. 1974, pg.55).
(4) In May of 1975 the FBI began a sizable build up of its agents, mostly SWAT members, on the reservation. In June 1974 SWAT teams from numerous divisions were designated for special assignment at Pine Ridge. Yet the politically related murder rate climbed. A June 1975 FBI memo referred to the potential need for military assault forces to deal with AIM members. Needless to say, tensions were running extremely high on all sides.
(5) On June 26, 1975 two FBI agents, Mr. Jack Coler and Mr. Ron Williams, entered the Jumping Bull Ranch, private property. They allegedly sought to arrest a young Native American man they believed they had seen in a red pick up truck. A large number of AIM supporters were camping on the property at the time. They had been invited there by the Jumping Bull elders, who sought protection. Many non-Aim persons were present as well. A shoot out began between the two vehicles, trapping a family with small children in the cross fire. From throughout the ranch, people screamed that they were under attack, and many hurried to return fire. When the skirmish ended, the two FBI agents were dead. They had been wounded, and someone had shot them at close range through the heads. Today, the United States Attorney admits that no one knows who fired the fatal shots. The red pick up truck escaped from the ranch and was never found or identified.
The more than thirty AIM men, women and children present on the ranch were then surrounded by over 150 FBI agents, SWAT team members, BIA police and local posse members, and barely escaped through a hail of bullets. When the gun fight ended, a young Native American named Joe Stuntz lay dead, shot through the head by a sniper bullet. His killing was never investigated.
(6) Clearly the killings of Mr. Stuntz and the two agents under such conditions represents a tragedy for all three the men and their families. However, it is equally clear that an unfair trial and the 27 year imprisonment of an innocent man is also a great tragedy. More critically, such a situation endangers the most basic tenets of our system of justice. Official vengeance can never be allowed to replace the due process of the law.
(7) As noted by Judge Heaney of the Court of Appeals of the Eighth Circuit, in his 1991 letter to Senator Inouye, "The United States government overreacted at Wounded Knee. Instead of carefully considering the legitimate grievances of the Native Americans, the response was essentially a military one which culminated in the deadly firefight on June 26, 1975 .... The United States government must share responsibility with the Native Americans for the ... firefight ... the government's role can properly be considered a mitigating circumstance. Judge Heaney, in this letter, (attached hereto), recommended clemency/commutation of sentence for Mr. Peltier as part of the healing process.
(8) Mr. Leonard Peltier was one of several high level AIM leaders present during the shoot out. Murder charges were brought against him, as well as his two friends and colleagues, Dino Butler and Bob Robideau, who had been present throughout the incident. Butler and Robideau stood trial separately from Leonard Peltier, who had fled to Canada, convinced he would never receive a fair trial in the United States. At the trial of Butler and Robideau a key prosecution witness, Mr. Draper, admitted that he had been threatened by the FBI and as a result had changed his testimony upon the agents' instructions, so as to support the government's position . The jury found both men not guilty. They found that there was no evidence to link the defendants to the fatal shots. Moreover, the exchange of gun fire from a distance was deemed to have constituted an act of self defense.
(9) Mr. Leonard Peltier was extradited from Canada on the basis of an affidavit signed by a Myrtle Poor Bear, a local Native American woman known to have serious mental problems. She claimed to have been Mr. Peltier's girl friend at the time, and to have been present during the shoot out, and to have witnessed the murders. In fact she did not know Mr. Peltier, nor was she present at the time of the shooting. She later confessed she had given the false statement after being pressured and terrorized by FBI agents, one of whom had also been involved in the falsification of Mr. Moves Camp's testimony earlier. Myrtle Poor Bear sought to testify in this regard at Leonard Peltier's trial. The judge barred her testimony on the grounds of mental incompetence. Nothing was done with regards to the illegal extradition. (Myrtle Poor Bear had also been forced to sign a similar affidavit against yet another local Native American named Dick Marshall. Again she claimed to have been his girl friend, and linked him to a separate murder. This too she recanted. )
(10) No known witnesses exist as to the actual shooting of the FBI agents Coler and Williams. Three adolescents gave inconclusive and vague testimonies, contradicting their own earlier statements as well as each other. All three witnesses admitted they had been seriously threatened and intimidated by FBI agents.
(11) Critical ballistic information reflecting Mr. Peltier's innocence was withheld from the defense team, making a fair trial impossible. Specifically, at the trial, the FBI ballistic expert, Evan Hodge, testified that he had been unable to perform the best test, a firing pin test, on certain casings found near the agents' car, because the rifle in question had been damaged in a fire. Instead, he stated that he had conducted an extractor mark test, and found the casing and weapon to match.
Years later, documents obtained through the Freedom of Information Act showed that in October 1975 a firing pin ballistic test had indeed been performed on the rifle and that the results were clearly negative. In short, the fatal bullet did not come from Leonard Peltier's weapon. The jury never heard about any of these crucial issues.
(12) Equally disturbing are the numerous discrepancies regarding the key vehicle in the case. Agents Williams and Coler had radioed that they were chasing a red pick up truck, which they believed was transporting a suspect. The chase lead to the Jumping Bull Ranch and the fatal shoot out. At trial however, the evidence had changed to described a red and white van, quite a different vehicle, and which not coincidentally was more easily linked to Mr. Peltier.
(13) The Court, at Mr. Peltier's murder trial, did not permit the jury to learn of the FBI's pattern and practice of using false affidavits and of intimidating witnesses in recent related cases. The jury was thus unable to properly evaluate the prosecution witnesses' testimony. In the trials of other AIM leaders, such evidence had been admitted.
(14) There was no witness testimony that Leonard Peltier actually shot the two FBI agents. There is no witness testimony that placed Mr. Peltier near the crime scene before the murders occurred. Those witnesses placing Peltier, Robideau and Butler near the crime scene after the killing were coerced and intimidated by the FBI. There is no forensic evidence as to the exact type of rifle used to commit the murders. Several different weapons present in the area during the shoot out could have caused the fatal injuries. There was more than one AR-15 in the area at the time of the shoot out. The AR-15 rifle claimed to be Mr. Peltier's was found to be incompatible with the bullet casing near the agents' car. Although other bullets were fired at the crime scene, no other casings or evidence about them were offered by the Prosecutor's office. In short there is no reasonable evidence that Mr. Peltier committed the murders. Instead there is very strong evidence of FBI misconduct.
(15) Some 6,000 FBI documents are still being withheld in their entirety from Mr. Leonard Peltier, as are some 5,000 partial documents. There is clearly no current reason to fear national security risks, or the disruption of ongoing investigations. Moreover, based on the critical nature of those documents which have been disclosed, such as the ballistic tests reports, it is reasonable to conclude that the remaining files would contain evidence that would help to establish Mr. Peltier's innocence. This situation violates his rights to access to the courts and to a fair trial.
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Actually Thunderheart was directly taken from Leonard, even the people portrayed in the movie were actual people, remember the little old man in the trailer watching WWF, he still lives on Mt Shasta in california (he left in 76 after the 5th attempt on his life), he is 103, 92 or 86 depending on which birth cretificate you want to beleive, his name is Charlie Tom Redhawk, he's a wonderful man who still leads some amazing sweatsBubba Grizz wrote:Reminds me of Thunderheart.

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I know we have some libertarian party members around here:
Your vice presidential nominee has a $249 degree factory Ph.D from the American College of Metaphysical Theology!
And your presidential nominee:
Your vice presidential nominee has a $249 degree factory Ph.D from the American College of Metaphysical Theology!
And your presidential nominee:
You guys still have a little ways to go, I think.Badnarik says that the federal income tax has "no legal authority" and that people are justified in refusing to file a tax return "until such time as the IRS provides them with an explanation of its authority to collect the tax." Accordingly, he hasn't filed any federal tax return in many years. He also moved to Texas specifically because of the state's liberal gun ownership laws. However, Badnarik refuses to get a driver's license because the state requires drivers to provide fingerprints and Social Security numbers -- resulting in Badnarik getting several tickets for driving without a license. Amusingly, Badnarik even refuses to use zip codes when he writes letters because he sees them as illegal "federal territories."
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Just to be clear, libertarianism is a body of political thought. It exists outside the Libertarian Party. Sometimes people refer to themselves as small l libertarians to indicate following the philosophy but not being a member of the party. That would pretty much describe me. I sometimes vote for the candidates from the LP, but I am not a party member and yeah, sometimes their candidates are lacking (of course, that can be said for most of the partiesSueven wrote:I know we have some libertarian party members around here:

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Il be the first to admit our canidates suck this year, the presidential canidate is even fucking anti-choice, thinks abortion should be a state issueSueven wrote:I know we have some libertarian party members around here:
Your vice presidential nominee has a $249 degree factory Ph.D from the American College of Metaphysical Theology!
And your presidential nominee:
You guys still have a little ways to go, I think.Badnarik says that the federal income tax has "no legal authority" and that people are justified in refusing to file a tax return "until such time as the IRS provides them with an explanation of its authority to collect the tax." Accordingly, he hasn't filed any federal tax return in many years. He also moved to Texas specifically because of the state's liberal gun ownership laws. However, Badnarik refuses to get a driver's license because the state requires drivers to provide fingerprints and Social Security numbers -- resulting in Badnarik getting several tickets for driving without a license. Amusingly, Badnarik even refuses to use zip codes when he writes letters because he sees them as illegal "federal territories."
I registered libertarian by principle, as i agree with most of there issues, but that wont stop me from voting for who i know is best for our country at this time (John Kerry)
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Umm picking on the VP of the libertarian party is funny considering the Dems are running a Hippy and a kid versus the Reps having a dummy and a crook.
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heh, your calling a 50-something year old a "kid"?Kylere wrote:Umm picking on the VP of the libertarian party is funny considering the Dems are running a Hippy and a kid versus the Reps having a dummy and a crook.
JFK must of been a fucking toddler, clinton was a little kid too
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Umm that would be the VP candidate dumbass.Xzion wrote:heh, your calling a 50-something year old a "kid"?Kylere wrote:Umm picking on the VP of the libertarian party is funny considering the Dems are running a Hippy and a kid versus the Reps having a dummy and a crook.
JFK must of been a fucking toddler, clinton was a little kid too
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As much of a tard Xzion can be, he's not the dumbass in this case. John Edwards is 51 years old although but sure as hell doesn't look it.Kylere wrote:Umm that would be the VP candidate dumbass.Xzion wrote:heh, your calling a 50-something year old a "kid"?Kylere wrote:Umm picking on the VP of the libertarian party is funny considering the Dems are running a Hippy and a kid versus the Reps having a dummy and a crook.
JFK must of been a fucking toddler, clinton was a little kid too
nice try...Kylere wrote:Umm that would be the VP candidate dumbass.Xzion wrote:heh, your calling a 50-something year old a "kid"?Kylere wrote:Umm picking on the VP of the libertarian party is funny considering the Dems are running a Hippy and a kid versus the Reps having a dummy and a crook.
JFK must of been a fucking toddler, clinton was a little kid too
and i would hardly call Kerry a hippy. Hippies do drugs and listen to Phish. Most of them don’t usually wear designer business suites, have there own 747? For campaigning purposes, support an Iraqi war and have a policy on health insurance
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He does not have his own 747 he has a 757-200 There is a differenceXzion wrote:nice try...Kylere wrote:Umm that would be the VP candidate dumbass.Xzion wrote:heh, your calling a 50-something year old a "kid"?Kylere wrote:Umm picking on the VP of the libertarian party is funny considering the Dems are running a Hippy and a kid versus the Reps having a dummy and a crook.
JFK must of been a fucking toddler, clinton was a little kid too
and i would hardly call Kerry a hippy. Hippies do drugs and listen to Phish. Most of them don’t usually wear designer business suites, have there own 747? For campaigning purposes, support an Iraqi war and have a policy on health insurance

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He threw away the medals awarded him for his military service
That makes him a hippy
As for Edwards age, ask yourself why he was chosen. Was it his politics? His amazing levels of votes he got (lol), or his looks and apparent age.
That makes him a hippy
As for Edwards age, ask yourself why he was chosen. Was it his politics? His amazing levels of votes he got (lol), or his looks and apparent age.
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He never threw away his OWN medals. He protested a war which should have never happened.Kylere wrote:He threw away the medals awarded him for his military service
That makes him a hippy
As for Edwards age, ask yourself why he was chosen. Was it his politics? His amazing levels of votes he got (lol), or his looks and apparent age.
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Yeah yeah you and Kelshara can both bloiw me, who ever heard of him outside his home state until the campaign, and he was one of the worst serious level dems to be running. Get over yourselves, he was selected because Kerry looks like the Bataan Death March Personified.Siji wrote:His great background and history in the government, his intelligence and his personality all had nothing to do with it.Kylere wrote:As for Edwards age, ask yourself why he was chosen. Was it his politics? His amazing levels of votes he got (lol), or his looks and apparent age.
idiot.
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Xzion wrote:He never threw away his OWN medals. He protested a war which should have never happened.Kylere wrote:He threw away the medals awarded him for his military service
That makes him a hippy
As for Edwards age, ask yourself why he was chosen. Was it his politics? His amazing levels of votes he got (lol), or his looks and apparent age.
No war should ever happen, but they do, playing hippy protestor after is silly, if he was such a war hero, don't you realize that by your standards he is a murderer?
He lacks the courage of his convictions.
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What i ment is the US should have never been involved, of course no wars should ever happen. But then again the US should have been "involved" in WW1, WW2, Revolutionary War, Civil War etcKylere wrote:Xzion wrote:He never threw away his OWN medals. He protested a war which should have never happened.Kylere wrote:He threw away the medals awarded him for his military service
That makes him a hippy
As for Edwards age, ask yourself why he was chosen. Was it his politics? His amazing levels of votes he got (lol), or his looks and apparent age.
No war should ever happen, but they do, playing hippy protestor after is silly, if he was such a war hero, don't you realize that by your standards he is a murderer?
He lacks the courage of his convictions.
Killing in self defense is not murder, so he wouldnt be a murderer
If your involved in a bullshit war (Iraq/Veitnam etc) and then realizing people over there are dying for nothing, you have a moral obligation to protest that war and to fight for its end. Then again many us go threw a hippy stage, (your ass loves Pink Floyd, there all a bunch of hippies, of course theres nothing wrong with that), and its completly healthy.
Embracing all steryotypes il take a war hero, self promoting hippie protestor over a cowardly redneck war-monger
Kylere even if you dont vote for one, who would you rather see in the white house for the next four years? Kerry or Bush
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Bush without Cheney or Edwards as VP to Dean i could make a call on, but you are asking me to pick between two teams, both of whom I find morally, ethically and politically abhorrent.
I cannot make a call between them, there is so little difference between the two that it is moot which one wins.
I cannot make a call between them, there is so little difference between the two that it is moot which one wins.
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they arnt that similar at all,, i dont see how you can make that assumption.Kylere wrote:Bush without Cheney or Edwards as VP to Dean i could make a call on, but you are asking me to pick between two teams, both of whom I find morally, ethically and politically abhorrent.
I cannot make a call between them, there is so little difference between the two that it is moot which one wins.
Unfortunately they are pretty similar when it comes to the fucking shithole in Iraq, but socially and domestically there worlds apart.
You really want an asshle like Ashcroft dumbing down our freedoms for four more years? or there cronies in the religious right forcing limits on stem cell reaserch? Do you want the right to choose to go in the next four years, realisticaly with four more years of Bush there is a frightening chance that this will come
One of two men, Kerry or Bush will be our president for the next four years, you know this
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Xzion,
The fact is that the country will not be better in 4 years no matter which one is elected.
Stem Cell research is being done, just not in the US, and while I personally support it, I feel that after getting into office Kerry will back Stem Cell research as effectively as Clinton backed gays in the military ( lip service with no real effort). But the geopolitical situation is simple, we do not have the production capability world wide to match the demand for oil, and the demand is only increasing as China modernizes and more dumbasses buy Humvees for their daily commute cars, given this and barring some amazing scientific breakthough things are not going to get better ever again. The only question is how fast they are going to get worse.
The fact is that the country will not be better in 4 years no matter which one is elected.
Stem Cell research is being done, just not in the US, and while I personally support it, I feel that after getting into office Kerry will back Stem Cell research as effectively as Clinton backed gays in the military ( lip service with no real effort). But the geopolitical situation is simple, we do not have the production capability world wide to match the demand for oil, and the demand is only increasing as China modernizes and more dumbasses buy Humvees for their daily commute cars, given this and barring some amazing scientific breakthough things are not going to get better ever again. The only question is how fast they are going to get worse.
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