UN refuses to protect its own mission in Baghdad

Adex_Xeda · Post by **Adex_Xeda** » August 11, 2004, 12:05 pm

Kerry expects to bring in a larger multinational force if elected? I wonder how considering they won't even get organized enough to protect their own token building.

http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribun ... ing_4.html

UN refuses to protect its own mission in Baghdad

SPECIAL TO WORLD TRIBUNE.COM
Tuesday, August 10, 2004

The United Nations has failed to organize a special force in Iraq with the limited mission of securing its own headquarters.

UN officials said member states refused to contribute to a proposed force that would protect a UN mission in Baghdad. The mission was meant to mark the return of the UN presence in Iraq after a year's absence and help organize and monitor national elections in January 2005.

The UN left Iraq in August 2003 in wake of an Al Qaida-inspired bombing of UN headquarters in Baghdad. A UN report later blamed poor security for the success of the insurgency strike, which destroyed UN headquarters in Iraq.

Over the last few weeks, UN secretary-general Kofi Annan sought to establish a security force to protect the UN mission in Baghdad, Middle East Newsline reported. But Annan said nobody has pledged to commit troops.

"We haven't had much success attracting governments to sign up for the dedicated force to protect the UN personnel in Iraq and our property," Annan said. "So for the time being, for practical measures, we have no other choice but to rely on the multinational force."

masteen · Post by **masteen** » August 11, 2004, 12:31 pm

You can always count on the UN for empty promises and sabre-rattling.

miir · Post by **miir** » August 11, 2004, 12:45 pm

Gee, I wonder why the UN is not overly anxious to get back into Iraq.

Metanis · Post by **Metanis** » August 11, 2004, 12:50 pm

miir wrote:Gee, I wonder why the UN is not overly anxious to get back into Iraq.

Well duh, let's see here.

1. They are pussies.
2. They are pussies.
3. They are pussies.
4. ???

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » August 11, 2004, 12:50 pm

I think we should send Metanis to Iraq ASAP.

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » August 11, 2004, 12:51 pm

Metanis wrote:
miir wrote:Gee, I wonder why the UN is not overly anxious to get back into Iraq.
Well duh, let's see here.

1. They are pussies.
2. They are pussies.
3. They are pussies.
4. ???

What do you expect from Kofi Anus, You know what who cares look at there great example in Bosnia.

miir · Post by **miir** » August 11, 2004, 1:04 pm

With attitudes like that, is it any wonder the international community has such a low opinion of Americans and the Bush administration?

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » August 11, 2004, 1:05 pm

miir wrote:Gee, I wonder why the UN is not overly anxious to get back into Iraq.

Could it possibly be because they are afraid of terrorist strikes? Well that simply cannot be. The terrorists would not strike at the UN....they only hate the US and it close allies. Since the US went against the UN to invade Iraq, shouldn't that mean the UN people should be safe?

Adex_Xeda · Post by **Adex_Xeda** » August 11, 2004, 1:06 pm

miir wrote:With attitudes like that, is it any wonder the international community has such a low opinion of Americans and the Bush administration?

With attitudes like that, is it any wonder the Americans and their allies has such a low opinion of international community's UN efforts?

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » August 11, 2004, 1:13 pm

What allies? That third world country you gave money?

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » August 11, 2004, 1:18 pm

You mean like Norway?

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » August 11, 2004, 1:22 pm

Nah we didn't support you in Iraq

Niffoni · Post by **Niffoni** » August 11, 2004, 1:35 pm

I'm as wary of UN incompotence as anyone. But can I ask what exactly would have been the benefit of securing that place?

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » August 11, 2004, 1:41 pm

Niffoni wrote:I'm as wary of UN incompotence as anyone. But can I ask what exactly would have been the benefit of securing that place?

Well we wouldn't have had to hear from the retard brigade for starters.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » August 11, 2004, 1:43 pm

miir wrote:With attitudes like that, is it any wonder the international community has such a low opinion of Americans and the Bush administration?

I'm sure glad we appointed Metanis and Cartalas to represent America in the international community. Keep up the good work!

Metanis · Post by **Metanis** » August 11, 2004, 2:06 pm

Aslanna wrote:
miir wrote:With attitudes like that, is it any wonder the international community has such a low opinion of Americans and the Bush administration?
I'm sure glad we appointed Metanis and Cartalas to represent America in the international community. Keep up the good work!

Where's my paycheck?

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » August 11, 2004, 2:20 pm

yeah if I was a decision maker on UN issues for my country I'd sure love to send troops over to die because the US has fucked everything up so badly in Iraq that there's bombings and attacks pretty much every day.

how about cleaning up your fucking mess and then we'll talk about going back into Baghdad.

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » August 11, 2004, 2:25 pm

I don't think this mess can ever be cleaned up. The damage is done. The government is a symbol of the west and will be a target from here on out. Short of the US not having a single soldier or interested party in the country, and the government dismantling and appointing some cleric as the HSIC (head shiite in charge) the attacks will continue. Or aliens could attack the world, thus bringing global unity.

Adex_Xeda · Post by **Adex_Xeda** » August 11, 2004, 2:29 pm

If the UN lacks the diplomatic skill to convince 400 guys to guard a building, how will it ever be able to convince 28 milllion Iraqi's to live in peace.

The UN makes itself a non factor in the world.

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » August 11, 2004, 2:30 pm

Adex that almost sounded as if you blame the UN for the instability in Iraq right now. Is that the case?

miir · Post by **miir** » August 11, 2004, 2:40 pm

Adex_Xeda wrote:If the UN lacks the diplomatic skill to convince 400 guys to guard a building, how will it ever be able to convince 28 milllion Iraqi's to live in peace.

The UN makes itself a non factor in the world.

Your contry is led by an isolationist with zero diplomatic skill who can't even convince the majority of your country (let alone the international community) to support his invasion/occupation force.

And what the hell does 'peace' have to do with it?
You guys created the situation over there, why should the rest of the world be jumping through hoops to help you clean up your own fucking mess?

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » August 11, 2004, 2:41 pm

of course he does. people like him need a scapegoat for their own stupid belief system.

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » August 11, 2004, 3:02 pm

kyoukan wrote:yeah if I was a decision maker on UN issues for my country I'd sure love to send troops over to die because the US has fucked everything up so badly in Iraq that there's bombings and attacks pretty much every day.

how about cleaning up your fucking mess and then we'll talk about going back into Baghdad.

By that time Iraq will be the 51st state and we wont need your third world help.

noel · Post by **noel** » August 11, 2004, 3:05 pm

Aslanna wrote:
miir wrote:With attitudes like that, is it any wonder the international community has such a low opinion of Americans and the Bush administration?
I'm sure glad we appointed Metanis and Cartalas to represent America in the international community. Keep up the good work!

Yeah seriously. Anyone that thinks they represent America can fuck off. The can't even represent themselves.

Feel free to include Midnyte as well.

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » August 11, 2004, 3:07 pm

noel wrote:
Aslanna wrote:
miir wrote:With attitudes like that, is it any wonder the international community has such a low opinion of Americans and the Bush administration?
I'm sure glad we appointed Metanis and Cartalas to represent America in the international community. Keep up the good work!
Yeah seriously. Anyone that thinks those idiots represent America can fuck off. The can't even represent themselves.

This is comming form the rocket scientist that let his personal info leak onto the internet.

noel · Post by **noel** » August 11, 2004, 3:08 pm

Nice try on the derail there.

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » August 11, 2004, 3:11 pm

noel wrote:Nice try on the derail there.

Nice try on the cover up.

Adex_Xeda · Post by **Adex_Xeda** » August 11, 2004, 3:13 pm

Krimson Klaw wrote:Adex that almost sounded as if you blame the UN for the instability in Iraq right now. Is that the case?

Nope, I don't blame the UN.

It's a crazy challenge to change a goverment. There's a lot of players right now jockeying for control. Iraq's neighbors want a piece of the action. The Kurds up north want their own country. Because of the Kurds, Turkey and Syria want to do what they can to weaken the Kurds. The whole situation is a byzantine rubik's cube.

I think Bush and the gang were naive about the difficulty of the task. They assumed Iraqi's would be rolling out the red carpet. I think Bush should have involved Iraq's neighbors before considering invasion. I mean that situation affects Iraq's neighbors. They could have been strong players in working out a peace. I blame lousy intelligence as well. The low quality of inteligence seemed to be glossed over.

The UN to me is a non player. The UN just likes to sit around and talk. That's not what you need when big world issues present themselves.

Saddam was yanking our chain for 14 years. We had finish it. Iraq is an old and civilized country. I belive that they will figure out for themselves some form of representative government. I belive it is a good idea to support Iraq with our military until Iraq can get on its feet. (6 years Max)

noel · Post by **noel** » August 11, 2004, 3:18 pm

Cartalas, you're not exactly Captain America. Neither is Metanis or Midnyte. All of you have views that are far too polar to, in many cases, be considered rational. Add to that the fact that for the most part, you're all unwilling to consider alternate viewpoints, and once again... No, you're not fit to represent America.

If you want to talk about any aspect of my personal life or history, please feel free to start another thread.

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » August 11, 2004, 3:21 pm

noel wrote:Cartalas, you're not exactly Captain America. Neither is Metanis or Midnyte. All of you have views that are far too polar to, in many cases, be considered rational. Add to that the fact that for the most part, you're all unwilling to consider alternate viewpoints, and once again... No, you're not fit to represent America.

If you want to talk about any aspect of my personal life or history, please feel free to start another thread.

I wont Budge!!!! Jesus Himminy Christ re read all the post. I always accept alternate viewpoints I might not agree with them but you know what neither do the liberals.

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » August 11, 2004, 3:55 pm

I think Bush and the gang were naive about the difficulty of the task. They assumed Iraqi's would be rolling out the red carpet. I think Bush should have involved Iraq's neighbors before considering invasion. I mean that situation affects Iraq's neighbors.

This pretty much makes the whole difference between Gulf I, Afghanistan and Gulf II. During the first two the US did have the support of neighboring countries, they did have world support and that makes a world of difference in how hard a mission is and hwo good your success rate will be.

And that has pretty much been my argument since before Gulf II. It was a mistake to go in basically alone on shaky intelligence, and the world is suffering because of it now.

miir · Post by **miir** » August 11, 2004, 3:57 pm

think Bush and the gang were naive about the difficulty of the task. They assumed Iraqi's would be rolling out the red carpet. I think Bush should have involved Iraq's neighbors before considering invasion. I mean that situation affects Iraq's neighbors. They could have been strong players in working out a peace. I blame lousy intelligence as well. The low quality of inteligence seemed to be glossed over.

It would be more accurate to blame the Bush administration's obvious isolationism.
He rarely travels overseas, rarely meets with foreign leaders, insults and alienates potential allies and seems to have a very poor understanding of international politics.
Anyone with a even a marginal understanding of regional politics in the middle east could have forseen the potential hornets nest the US was disturbing by invading and occupying Iraq.

The UN to me is a non player. The UN just likes to sit around and talk. That's not what you need when big world issues present themselves.

Saddam was yanking our chain for 14 years. We had finish it.

From the looks of things... (no evidence of any chem/bio/nuclear weapons prograps, the non-existance of WMDs, their patchwork armed forces and no real evidence of any underground terrorist networks)... it seems the UN sanctions and UN weapons inspectors did a rather effective job of keeping Saddam in check.

But I guess some of you are still bitter that the UN wouldnt support your invasion and occupation of Iraq.

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » August 11, 2004, 4:00 pm

You realise the UN charter forbids them from "changing governments" militarily?

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » August 11, 2004, 4:01 pm

"But I guess some of you are still bitter that the UN wouldnt support your invasion and occupation of Iraq"

Yeah we really miss the 18 troops and the powder blue helmets they would send.

miir · Post by **miir** » August 11, 2004, 4:05 pm

One second they say how useless the UN is and how they don't need them...

The next second they are asking for the help and support on the UN.

Ignorant, arrogant and hypocritical.

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » August 11, 2004, 4:05 pm

If you don't see the importance of world support you truly are naive and ignorant.. not to mention arrogant beyond belief. The more I hear from you (and others like you) the more I understand it when I talk to people back home about how their dislike for the US is increasing.

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » August 11, 2004, 4:07 pm

Kelshara wrote:If you don't see the importance of world support you truly are naive and ignorant.. not to mention arrogant beyond belief. The more I hear from you (and others like you) the more I understand it when I talk to people back home about how their dislike for the US is increasing.

Lets just cut the Bullshit, Fuck nut The UN is worthless with out the US and Great Britian End of story. Sorry to be Blunt but that is life.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » August 11, 2004, 4:08 pm

I think one of the problems we have is understanding that not everyone desires freedom as we have it here in America.

But the oil must flow!

miir · Post by **miir** » August 11, 2004, 4:10 pm

Cartalas wrote:Lets just cut the Bullshit, Fuck nut The UN is worthless with out the US and Great Britian End of story. Sorry to be Blunt but that is life.

Is that why Bush is still asking for help from the UN?
Is that why the US is leading such a successful occupation of Iraq?

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » August 11, 2004, 4:12 pm

Not all countries want to be like the US. Not all people want to be republicans. And UN wont function without the support of the US and England no. And it might not always be doing what the US wants, but in the long run I strongly believe we need a US/England supported UN for the best of the world and to bring any kind of stability to it.

Metanis · Post by **Metanis** » August 11, 2004, 4:15 pm

Kelshara wrote:If you don't see the importance of world support you truly are naive and ignorant.. not to mention arrogant beyond belief. The more I hear from you (and others like you) the more I understand it when I talk to people back home about how their dislike for the US is increasing.

What a hypocrite...

Kelshara wrote:
I would contend that the WORLD needs to step forward and recognize they have a moral obligation to keep Iraq from sliding into anarchy.
No offense but I have no interest in cleaning up your mess. You shit in your own nest, now clean it up.

You truly are a fine example of the best that liberalism has to offer.

miir · Post by **miir** » August 11, 2004, 4:25 pm

Your reading comprehension skills leave a lot to be desired, Metanis.

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » August 11, 2004, 4:27 pm

Not at all. You refused to go down the path, and now I wont come help you out of it. You can't have it both ways, either you do it by yourself or we do it together all the way.

If you think the world will happily stand in a corner until you call for it you are mistaken.

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » August 11, 2004, 4:29 pm

Kelshara wrote:Not at all. You refused to go down the path, and now I wont come help you out of it. You can't have it both ways, either you do it by yourself or we do it together all the way.

If you think the world will happily stand in a corner until you call for it you are mistaken.

Or we can pull out and say fuck you all and laugh because there is not a fucking thing you can do about it. But you know what we will keep spending our money to try to give some Iraq children a chance to enjoy freedom. but maybe thats the problem seeing that they are of a different race may be you dont think they have a right to be free.

Metanis · Post by **Metanis** » August 11, 2004, 4:38 pm

miir wrote:Your reading comprehension skills leave a lot to be desired, Metanis.

Truly you jest? Do I need to lead you by the hand and pronounce the words slowly? Maybe we should get you back into remedial 3rd grade?

Kelshara is so vividly and earnestly talking out it's ass and you don't see this?

/boggle

Sirton · Post by **Sirton** » August 11, 2004, 4:49 pm

Is that why the US is leading such a successful occupation of Iraq?
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I dont know why ya guys look at it as a failure...

I still hold the view its harder than exspected after major operations, but its been a success sofar. We won we captured Saddam...there is a new government, which will be voted on by the people and 20+ million Iraqi's dont have to live under a dictators thumb. Our losses have been very minor for the type of conflict I was exspecting 10,000 US troops dead by this point.

To be at this point so quick in Iraq in there new government is basically a record throughout human history in setting up a new government.

Yea there are Iraqi's who still are fighting the US troops, but that would happen in any situation were one country takes over another in any situation. Germany, Japan, Russia, France every country has some resistance when they are partly invaded or takin over, because some of them are gonna be losers.

I really dont understand why some of you are so negative...The soldiers I talk to over there personally feel theyve done wonders and are glad they are there and feel its a worthy cause And many of the Iraqi people are happy with what happened.

How can people feel negative of disposing the Person who caused the Worse Environmental disaster in Human History...Thats executed or caused the death of hundreds of thousands...That in all is a Dictator.

I have the same view as John Kerry and George Bush....knowing what we know today I'd still be for ousting that PoS Saddam and working at trying to start a wave of democracy in the middle east.

In war you will always have mistakes...to hang on each of them isnt right...one should look at what we need to do now for the betterment of our world and childrens children.

Now I know (random Liberal response)=so then your for jumping into Hornets nest in the middle east and causing more hate to America.

My response=Yes, Im for getting the desperate part of the world takin care of now, before WMD become common place in the region to were terrorist can get there hands on it in say 20 years to 100years....I never want them to get ahold of it, so therefore its time to dispose of these crackpot fanatical governments. How would you go by solving this issue? And forget the UN we see there work with Rowanda ect ect ect. If they want to help then great if France and there oil ties to Dictators is gonna get in the way then well do what we gotta by ourselves and allies we can muster. We saw how great a job the UN did to the Iraqi people..kept Saddam rich fat and in power....starved his people more. Fk that BS for 12+ years....Get it taken care of now.

miir · Post by **miir** » August 11, 2004, 5:04 pm

How can people feel negative of disposing the Person who caused the Worse Environmental disaster in Human History...Thats executed or caused the death of hundreds of thousands...That in all is a Dictator

The Iraqi deaths sustained in the past ~18 months at the hands of US forces, averaged out over a 25+ year period, would result in the conclusion that the US are much more efficient in causing death than Saddam Hussein.

Sirton · Post by **Sirton** » August 11, 2004, 5:29 pm

miir, good point and I agree we are much more efficient in causing death there is no dispute in that(We have the strongest military the world has seen), but we arent going to be there for 25 years killing anyone who disagees with us...You know Saddam starting from 1969 to 2003 on avg. had executed or killed 1000 Iraqi's a month.

We killed many people to knock out his regime no dispute in that..and in war as always there will be sad deaths and mistakes. Sorta stupid to be proping up and supporting Saddam in comparision....There is none.

Siji · Post by **Siji** » August 11, 2004, 8:23 pm

Cartalas wrote:Lets just cut the Bullshit, Fuck nut The UN is worthless with out the US and Great Britian End of story. Sorry to be Blunt but that is life.

It's this arrogance that gives reason for people in other countries to dislike Americans.

Guess what, if the US was wiped off the planet, the world would indeed survive. Quit thinking you're God's chosen just because you live in what has been to date mostly a great country.

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » August 12, 2004, 10:24 am

Siji wrote:
Cartalas wrote:Lets just cut the Bullshit, Fuck nut The UN is worthless with out the US and Great Britian End of story. Sorry to be Blunt but that is life.
It's this arrogance that gives reason for people in other countries to dislike Americans.

Guess what, if the US was wiped off the planet, the world would indeed survive. Quit thinking you're God's chosen just because you live in what has been to date mostly a great country.

You know what Siji I dont think its arrogance at all its just the hard plan truth. I never said the world would cease to function if the US was gone I said the UN would.