Kerry chooses Edwards as running mate

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » July 6, 2004, 8:32 am

Discuss.

Kluden · Post by **Kluden** » July 6, 2004, 9:42 am

It just helps with my selection for voting purposes.

Not the candidate I wanted to see him run with...so he still isn't getting my vote.

edit: wanted to clarify, will be voting 3rd party line.

Thess · Post by **Thess** » July 6, 2004, 10:33 am

Great choice imo, Kerry's first major decision is a great one.

Deward · Post by **Deward** » July 6, 2004, 10:48 am

Good Choice. Edwards has some good and bad qualities. Regardless I am still voting Libertarian.

Adex_Xeda · Post by **Adex_Xeda** » July 6, 2004, 10:49 am

This hurts Edward's chances for president.

A. Kerry wins. maybe gets two terms. Edwards is stuck running against
Hillary Clinton.

B. Kerry loses and Edwards is stuck running against Hillary Clinton.

Poor guy

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » July 6, 2004, 11:01 am

hehe, 4 posts until the Hillary conspiracy is offered by a listener of right wing propagandist talk radio!

the over under was 15 posts

anyway, I voted for Edwards in the primary, so i think its a great choice. I like his positive energy and the fact that he talks about regular working class people in a meaningful fashion.

the White House's reactions to things continues to look more and more desperate and frankly childish. For instance, they immediately shot out a video package on their website touting that Kerry's 'First Choice', John McCain, supports Bush.

For one, it is well known in Washington that McCain hates George Bush. He was never offered the vice presidency either, but he wasnt interested in leaving the Rep. party either to run on a 'split ticket'.

Ironic that McCain has become this populist symbol of integrity in the Republican party when the Republican machinery absolutely destroyed him in 2000.

Claiming he voted against cancer research in television commercials in South Carolina (he voted against bills when pork-laiden riders were attached by in this case Republicans).

At any rate, its funny to watch Rove and his team scramble. They look desperate to me. They are already leaking that they expect to be down 15 points at the end of the Democratic Convention, in order to reduce the impact of those reports a month from now.

At any rate, i think Edwards is a great choice. He is a new face in the party (ie, not Gephardt, etc) with a lot of popular appeal and great energy.

Marbus · Post by **Marbus** » July 6, 2004, 11:25 am

Choosing Edwards definitely moved me to the point of almost solidifying my vote for Kerry in November. My personal choice would have been an Edwards / Clark ticket but this at least somewhere close to that.

Also, if something "happend" to Kerry then we would have Edwards as Persident and if Kerry has 2 Terms I think Edwards would have a good chance at Winning on his own merit... maybe then he can choose Clark as a running mate

Do I think Hillary wants to be President? Of course. Do I really think she can win the ticket? Nope... as Vor said, that's just Right-Wing propaganda

Edwards - excellent choice IMHO.

Cheers!
Marb

Adex_Xeda · Post by **Adex_Xeda** » July 6, 2004, 12:31 pm

Hillary is running for the job next cycle.
Hillary is popular.
She'll most likely out perform any democratic challenger.

This is a conspiracy?

Your condescension is poorly applied Voronwe.

archeiron · Post by **archeiron** » July 6, 2004, 12:33 pm

Adex_Xeda wrote:Your condescension is poorly applied Voronwe.

Rangers have LOS issues (focusing on the right target) and draw aggro unnecessarily at times, sorry about that Adex. We will be sure to beat him senseless for it.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » July 6, 2004, 12:43 pm

lol Arch.

Edwards is a great choice. I think this will help Kerry out greatly. I think I better put in for a vacation day for the day after the election. It's going to be a long night. I don't know if it could top the good television the 2000 election was, but it should come close.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » July 6, 2004, 12:45 pm

in a week, Hannity will have a staged caller on his show saying it was an employee of H. Clinton who killed Edwards' son in that car wreck a few years ago to threaten him out of politics since he was also being considered by Gore.

but back to political reality, i find it ironic in the Bush "First Choice" commercial that they have Bin Laden's face pictured in front of a map of Africa, specifically Sudan and Chad. And currently the government of Sudan (who has in the past openly had relations with Bin Laden and Al Qaeda) is supplying Arab militias in a genocide against black Africans in Darwar (sp.). Anyway, we can't intervene in this very real struggle against an ally of Al Qaeda, against a brutal regime because our military is currently overextended in a military operation that has potentially strengthened the Islamists in Iran.

Thess · Post by **Thess** » July 6, 2004, 12:47 pm

Voronwë wrote: but back to political reality, i find it ironic in the Bush "First Choice" commercial that they have Bin Laden's face pictured in front of a map of Africa, specifically Sudan and Chad. And currently the government of Sudan (who has in the past openly had relations with Bin Laden and Al Qaeda) is supplying Arab militias in a genocide against black Africans in Darwar (sp.). Anyway, we can't intervene in this very real struggle against an ally of Al Qaeda, against a brutal regime because our military is currently overextended in a military operation that has potentially strengthened the Islamists in Iran.

Sudan and Chad can't be an ally of Al Qaeda, neither have Q's.
(yes this is a joke)

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » July 6, 2004, 12:54 pm

Adex, i wasnt really trying to snipe at you, i personally just don't believe that Hillary nonsense. THe only place i hear it is on conservative talk radio. I don't hear it from news, from mainstream commentary, etc.

it may be true, but i have no reason to believe it is so =).

there are many competing interests in both parties, and there will always be groups jockeying for position. THere is no way in hell that were Kerry to be president that the Democratic party would give any financial backing to Hillary in 4 years. ANd it is highly dubious that they would back a senator over an 8 yr VP in 8 years.

Basically the only way she will have a meaningful run in 2008 is if Bush wins this election, and even though Midnyte thinks the Clintons are working for that end, i don't since Bill is campaigning for Kerry

And the NY Post had the front page "Kerry picks Gephardt" this morning, LOL

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » July 6, 2004, 1:05 pm

Voronwë wrote: and even though Midnyte thinks the Clintons are working for that end, i don't since Bill is campaigning for Kerry

Hey! You know that was just one of my theories back in like January and February. Is Bill really helping Kerry? Or just making it look good? All he really has done for Kerry is speak a decent word about him on his book signings. Hillary is keeping major distance. With the economy picking up, history shows Kerry won't win. 2008 will be the year of the lesbian errr Hillary, imho.

Lynks · Post by **Lynks** » July 6, 2004, 1:07 pm

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:2008 will be the year of the lesbian errr Hillary, imho.

Its comments like this that makes people think you're a fucking tool/bigot/homophobe.

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » July 6, 2004, 1:10 pm

It's funny how the conservatives are so fast to talk about how Hillary will run a smear campaign against any potention Democratic rivals. How quickly they forget. Bush vs. McCain ring any bells?

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » July 6, 2004, 1:11 pm

Lynks wrote:
Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:2008 will be the year of the lesbian errr Hillary, imho.
Its comments like this that makes people think you're a fucking tool/bigot/homophobe.

I understand that. Fact is she looks like a lesbian. Some people can handle a comment like that and some can't. I'm not a fan of political correctness. Therefore, you won't often here me talk all bland and guarded. I'm not a bigot, homphobe, etc. I just talk plainly.

Lynks · Post by **Lynks** » July 6, 2004, 1:12 pm

And what exactly does a lesbian look like...

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » July 6, 2004, 1:13 pm

Lynks wrote:And what exactly does a lesbian look like...

A lesbian looks like every woman who ever said no to him.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » July 6, 2004, 1:15 pm

Lynks wrote:And what exactly does a lesbian look like...

hehe

It's an expression. Jesus. Take it easy.

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » July 6, 2004, 1:18 pm

You really come off as a misogynistic bigot.

HEHE chillax d3wd, itz n EXPRESSION!

Lynks · Post by **Lynks** » July 6, 2004, 1:19 pm

Oooooooohhhhhh Archieeeeee

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » July 6, 2004, 1:20 pm

Lynks wrote:Oooooooohhhhhh Archieeeeee

He'll probably be wondering what comics have to do with this. That Betty would know how to please her man!

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » July 6, 2004, 1:21 pm

Here's another one for you.

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » July 6, 2004, 1:38 pm

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:Here's another one for you.

Its ok they can say it they are liberals.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » July 6, 2004, 1:45 pm

Dregor Thule wrote:
Lynks wrote:Oooooooohhhhhh Archieeeeee
He'll probably be wondering what comics have to do with this. That Betty would know how to please her man!

Yes. I am a moron. Edith Bunker didn't cross my mind at all.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » July 6, 2004, 1:51 pm

Isn't Edwards the guy the squealed freakishly after losing the first primary?

Mr Vice President, North Korea has launched a missle that's heading for Tokyo!

Edwards: ewwwwwweeeieieieieii, erp!

Forthe · Post by **Forthe** » July 6, 2004, 2:04 pm

Winnow wrote:Isn't Edwards the guy the squealed freakishly after losing the first primary?

Nope.

Drasta · Post by **Drasta** » July 6, 2004, 2:07 pm

mid ... would you walk into a gay bar and say wow you all do look like a buncha faggots? since you ... talk plainly? would you walk into a hunting club and tell them they look like red necks? .... biker bar and say they look like they look like a biker gang and ask them where their chains and pipes are?

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » July 6, 2004, 2:09 pm

Forthe wrote:
Winnow wrote:Isn't Edwards the guy the squealed freakishly after losing the first primary?
Nope.

I can't pass him off as Dean eh?

I better go check the Drudge report for more info!

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » July 6, 2004, 2:09 pm

Winnow wrote:Isn't Edwards the guy the squealed freakishly after losing the first primary?

Mr Vice President, North Korea has launched a missle that's heading for Tokyo!

Edwards: ewwwwwweeeieieieieii, erp!

that was Howard Dean

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » July 6, 2004, 2:12 pm

Drasta wrote:mid ... would you walk into a gay bar and say wow you all do look like a buncha faggots? since you ... talk plainly? would you walk into a hunting club and tell them they look like red necks? .... biker bar and say they look like they look like a biker gang and ask them where their chains and pipes are?

Of course not, hehe. I talk plainly in an arena where I feel I should be able to. I would be stupid enough to walk into an arena full of a specific grouping of poeple and utter stereotypes. No one would find it funny, I'm sure. Plus, I don't dislike or hate any grouping of people, so it wouldn't be something I would ever do. I talk plainly here, because we have a nice variety of people who "should" be able to handle a little levity. Some are a little over sensitive, but I'm fine with that.

The Lesbians against Bush thing is fuckign funny. I don't care how overly sensitive you are.

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » July 6, 2004, 2:14 pm

So in other words: You are a coward.

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » July 6, 2004, 2:15 pm

Just as funny as a sign reading "Gays against Colon!"

Drasta · Post by **Drasta** » July 6, 2004, 2:20 pm

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:
Drasta wrote:mid ... would you walk into a gay bar and say wow you all do look like a buncha faggots? since you ... talk plainly? would you walk into a hunting club and tell them they look like red necks? .... biker bar and say they look like they look like a biker gang and ask them where their chains and pipes are?
Of course not, hehe. I talk plainly in an arena where I feel I should be able to. I would be stupid enough to walk into an arena full of a specific grouping of poeple and utter stereotypes. No one would find it funny, I'm sure. Plus, I don't dislike or hate any grouping of people, so it wouldn't be something I would ever do. I talk plainly here, because we have a nice variety of people who "should" be able to handle a little levity. Some are a little over sensitive, but I'm fine with that.

The Lesbians against Bush thing is fuckign funny. I don't care how overly sensitive you are.

did we have a freudian slip while typing this up? read 3nd sentence starting with I.

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » July 6, 2004, 2:23 pm

Drasta wrote:
Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:
Drasta wrote:mid ... would you walk into a gay bar and say wow you all do look like a buncha faggots? since you ... talk plainly? would you walk into a hunting club and tell them they look like red necks? .... biker bar and say they look like they look like a biker gang and ask them where their chains and pipes are?
Of course not, hehe. I talk plainly in an arena where I feel I should be able to. I would be stupid enough to walk into an arena full of a specific grouping of poeple and utter stereotypes. No one would find it funny, I'm sure. Plus, I don't dislike or hate any grouping of people, so it wouldn't be something I would ever do. I talk plainly here, because we have a nice variety of people who "should" be able to handle a little levity. Some are a little over sensitive, but I'm fine with that.

The Lesbians against Bush thing is fuckign funny. I don't care how overly sensitive you are.
did we have a freudian slip while typing this up? read 3nd sentence starting with I.

Kind of like 3nd

Drasta · Post by **Drasta** » July 6, 2004, 2:25 pm

orgionally said 2nd because it was the 2nd line when i was looking at it then changed it to 3 sentence because it became the first line when i posted it =-P

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » July 6, 2004, 2:33 pm

Bush aide foresees early lead for Kerry

July's convention may push Demo to 55-40 edge, he says
By Ken Herman
Cox News Service

WASHINGTON — Challenger John Kerry, who according to campaign sources is expected to announce his running mate this morning, will lead President Bush by 15 points when the Democratic convention wraps up at the end of July, according to a top Bush campaign adviser.

Presidential hopeful Sen. John Kerry reacts after a speech by his wife Monday at an Independence Day celebration in Fox Chapel, Penn.

Gerald Herbert, Associated Press
In a memo to campaign leadership Monday, Matthew Dowd, Bush's chief strategist, said Kerry is about to benefit from "the average challenger's bounce."
"We should expect the race to swing wildly to his favor by early August," Dowd, who remains confident Bush will win, said in the memo.
Current polls show a dead heat, but Dowd said Kerry could be up by a 55 percent to 40 percent margin in early August.

Bush is the underdog. If the democrats took the high road they'd win this election but I doubt that will happen and we'll see the sympathy vote roll in for Bush closer to the election.

...that and Hillary's sabotage...and the October terrorist surprise! Voro knows what I'm talking about! : )

sarlen · Post by **sarlen** » July 6, 2004, 3:18 pm

Excellent choice for the number 2 spot in my opinion. I was hoping he would go this way, I was having nightmares of Vilsak being VP.

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » July 6, 2004, 4:13 pm

heh, the VP debates will be great

A fat, unhealthy, child molestor look alike, angry and generally pissed off soon to be former vice president vs a charismatic, compassionate young senator

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » July 6, 2004, 4:32 pm

Xzion wrote:heh, the VP debates will be great

A fat, unhealthy, child molestor look alike, angry and generally pissed off soon to be former vice president vs a charismatic, compassionate young senator

Cheney will own him. Lets avoid Kerry vs Bush debates though!

Chidoro · Post by **Chidoro** » July 6, 2004, 4:49 pm

Winnow wrote: Cheney will own him.

I'm quite sure that will be your take regardless of what is said. Par for the course I guess

Karae · Post by **Karae** » July 6, 2004, 4:56 pm

It's easy to win a debate when you just lie and make shit up and your opponent is attempting to operate within reality. Yes, Cheney is a serial liar.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » July 6, 2004, 4:59 pm

i think Edwards will actually do quite well against Cheney. Especially since Cheney can't keep his own lies out of his way during his TV interviews (see daily show clip from a week ago or so.).

yes WInnow, Bush, Jr. is a very sympathetic figure. I mean most of us can really relate to a guy who through family connections went to the best preperatory schools, were legacy admits into an Ivy League Univ, got into Harvard even though we had a C average, moved out of military service by getting prioritized into a Nat'l Guard unit that didnt do anything, were given executive positions at several companies that we routinely underperformed at thanks to father's oil connections, etc.

The number of people with that same background who are undecided voters is pretty massive (maybe 3 or 4), so I'm sure they will really rally to help Bush after Kerry's convention bounce later this month

but yeah, Bin Laden in the space capsule is still the ace up Bush's sleave

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » July 6, 2004, 5:17 pm

Karae wrote:It's easy to win a debate when you just lie and make shit up and your opponent is attempting to operate within reality. Yes, Cheney is a serial liar.

What's your point? : ) I said he'd own him not how he'd do it.

Voronwë wrote:
The number of people with that same background who are undecided voters is pretty massive (maybe 3 or 4), so I'm sure they will really rally to help Bush after Kerry's convention bounce later this month

but yeah, Bin Laden in the space capsule is still the ace up Bush's sleave

People don't have to have the same backgrounds to feel sorry for someone. If there are too many fanatics like Michael Moore pounding away on Bush as we get closer to the election instead of letting Kerry do the talking you'll see the sympathy vote shift to Bush after the initial VP hoopla and convention excitement dies down.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » July 6, 2004, 6:22 pm

there are a few right wing propagandists that more than balance out Moore, Winnow

and there are some that literally would balance his fatass out on a scale if it came to that too

pill-popping torture advocates for example.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » July 6, 2004, 7:21 pm

Voronwë wrote:i think Edwards will actually do quite well against Cheney. Especially since Cheney can't keep his own lies out of his way during his TV interviews (see daily show clip from a week ago or so.).

yes WInnow, Bush, Jr. is a very sympathetic figure. I mean most of us can really relate to a guy who through family connections went to the best preperatory schools, were legacy admits into an Ivy League Univ, got into Harvard even though we had a C average, moved out of military service by getting prioritized into a Nat'l Guard unit that didnt do anything, were given executive positions at several companies that we routinely underperformed at thanks to father's oil connections, etc.

The number of people with that same background who are undecided voters is pretty massive (maybe 3 or 4), so I'm sure they will really rally to help Bush after Kerry's convention bounce later this month

You neglected to the mention the "kill all the sand niggers, never forget" demographic, which is nearly half the country.

As long as there are retards like Midnyte to vote for them, there will be shitty politicians in office. Failures of a feather stick together.

Jice Virago · Post by **Jice Virago** » July 6, 2004, 7:46 pm

No one is going to have sympathy for a lying idiot, especially one who thinks God voted him into office and sent our kids into an offensive war with cities he can't seem to pronounce correctly. If Bush is going to win it is going to be with three factors:

1) Stupidity of the common man- This is the biggest thing going in GW's favor. Think about Midnyte, Cartalas, and others on this board who's skulls are impenatrable to reason as long as the president is doing all he can for the god fearing white man. Then consider how many people you know with the similar myopic outlook on life in your part of the country. If Bush gets re-elected, these uneducated homophopic masses will be the most directly responsible.

2) War Trophies- Every week he can parade Sadam on national TV and the forthcomming amazing capture of Osama (should happen in October) will help Bush, somewhat. Most people are highly skeptical these days, so its not as strong an effect as it might have been. In fact, if Bush had never touched Iraq and concentrated on Afghanistan like he should have, he would have clinched re-election bith the staged capture of Osama.

3) Poop Flinging- Kerry doesn't need to fling poop, since Bush has pissed off enough moderates and lefties into flinging poop, unsolicited. Look to more racial profiling and Deibold machine miscounts come November, with some serious smear campaigning and carefully staged congressional votes (like they have done already to make it look like Kerry personally cost the Dems passage of bills) to play dirty politics. If any more major violence breaks out in Iraq, expect lots of adds showing Kerry from his Vietnam protest era trying to portray him as a liberal pussy.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » July 6, 2004, 8:08 pm

Jice Virago wrote:No one is going to have sympathy for a lying idiot, especially one who thinks God voted him into office and sent our kids into an offensive war with cities he can't seem to pronounce correctly. If Bush is going to win it is going to be with three factors:

1) Stupidity of the common man-

2) War Trophies- .

3) Poop Flinging-

Add fear to that list. Throw in a few terror threats and some sort of crisis with North Korea or China and Bush will grab a few more votes.

Jice Virago · Post by **Jice Virago** » July 6, 2004, 9:37 pm

I consider fear a part of stupidity, since only the stupid ignore their fears and only the stupid allow it to rule their lives.