US lawmakers request UN observers for November 2 election

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » July 2, 2004, 1:56 pm

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&c ... &printer=1

WASHINGTON (AFP) - Several members of the House of Representatives have requested the United Nations (news - web sites) to send observers to monitor the November 2 US presidential election to avoid a contentious vote like in 2000, when the outcome was decided by Florida.

Recalling the long, drawn out process in the southern state, nine lawmakers, including four blacks and one Hispanic, sent a letter Thursday to UN Secretary General Kofi Annan (news - web sites) asking that the international body "ensure free and fair elections in America," according to a statement issued by Florida representative Eddie Bernice Johnson, who spearheaded the effort.

"As lawmakers, we must assure the people of America that our nation will not experience the nightmare of the 2000 presidential election," she said in the letter.

"This is the first step in making sure that history does not repeat itself," she added after requesting that the UN "deploy election observers across the United States" to monitor the November, 2004 election.

The lawmakers said in the letter that in a report released in June 2001, the US Commission on Civil Rights "found that the electoral process in Florida resulted in the denial of the right to vote for countless persons."

The bipartisan commission, they stressed, determined "that the 'disenfranchisement of Florida's voters fell most harshly on the shoulders of black voters' and in poor counties." Both groups vote predominantly Democratic in US elections.

The commission also concluded, the lawmakers added, that "despite promised nationwide reforms (of the voting system) ... adequate steps have not been taken to ensure that a similar situation will not arise in 2004 that arose in 2000."

Thirty-six days after the November 7, 2000 presidential election, after several state court interventions and vote recounts in numerous Florida counties, the US Supreme Court ruled in favor of Republican George W. Bush, awarding him all of Florida's 25 electoral votes.

The ruling tipped the balance against Democratic contender and then vice president Al Gore (news - web sites), who with 267 electoral votes lost to Bush's 271, only one more than the minimum 270 needed to clinch the presidential election

What the hell? Bringing in UN observers now for prez elections? That's dangerous. I would think we could handle this on our own. What happens if questions arise for this election, we let the UN be the deciding factor? I don't want a repeat of the last fiasco either, but this seems like quite a huge leap, and one that I am not too happy about. I don't think it's unreasonable to not want any other bodies being able to influence our elections in such a direct manner. I know they are only observing, but still seems like too much. I dont want their tendrils nowhere near our election processes. I admitedly dont have a reasonable alternative other than totally getting rid of electoral college however. Any other suggestions to avoid this?

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » July 2, 2004, 1:59 pm

Does the U.N do this for other countries?

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » July 2, 2004, 2:04 pm

Why should that matter?

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » July 2, 2004, 2:05 pm

Yes they do Cartalas. Frequently.

Of course we would have much fewer problems if dumbasses could read or if partisan bitches realized that ever ballot is approved by both a dem and rep, including the infamous butterfly ballot.

This issue was to get some people their 15 second sound bite and increase their name recognition, it will never happen or all the nutcases whining about the UN taking over will be flipping in the streets.

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » July 2, 2004, 2:08 pm

Krimson Klaw wrote:Why should that matter?

I was just asking a question, I was wondering if this was something that the UN has done before or was it new.

I agree with you lets take care of our own affairs and not let FLA vote anymore.

Adex_Xeda · Post by **Adex_Xeda** » July 2, 2004, 2:13 pm

Let the UN watch. They get off on that kind of stuff.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » July 2, 2004, 2:18 pm

Kylere wrote:Of course we would have much fewer problems if dumbasses could read or if partisan bitches realized that ever ballot is approved by both a dem and rep, including the infamous butterfly ballot.

I think they are more concerned about the disenfranchisement issue than they are about the hanging chads.

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » July 2, 2004, 2:21 pm

Aslanna wrote:
Kylere wrote:Of course we would have much fewer problems if dumbasses could read or if partisan bitches realized that ever ballot is approved by both a dem and rep, including the infamous butterfly ballot.
I think they are more concerned about the disenfranchisement issue than they are about the hanging chads.

I am aware a lot of people who read single views of things think there was a concerted effort to rig the election in Florida, but no election has ever been without this happening from both sides, there are always some losers who are abusing the system. When Kennedy ran against Nixon in 1960, then Mayor of Chicago Daly actually held the election returns for Chicago until he was sure that they would result in Kennedy winning.

Do I think we need to revamp the voting system? Yeppers. But do I think anything new happened in 2000? Nope. I just think it was noticed more because of the close nature of the election.

Funny thing is all the Dems and Reps shut up about election reform for the last 3 years, they are all criminal in intent and behavior.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » July 2, 2004, 2:32 pm

I'm not going one way or the other. I was just simply pointing out that I believe your statement :

Of course we would have much fewer problems if dumbasses could read or if partisan bitches realized that ever ballot is approved by both a dem and rep, including the infamous butterfly ballot.

really has nothing to do with their request.

Niffoni · Post by **Niffoni** » July 2, 2004, 3:14 pm

Adex_Xeda wrote:Let the UN watch. They get off on that kind of stuff.

Agreed. Let that bloated, corrupt political body keep an eye on your bloated, corrupt political body. Canada is kinda shy about showing off ITS bloated, corrupt political body (beer gut), but in a few years, I'll sure we can all have a nice circle-jerk of futility and perceived fairness.

Forthe · Post by **Forthe** » July 2, 2004, 3:26 pm

Niffoni wrote:
Adex_Xeda wrote:Let the UN watch. They get off on that kind of stuff.
Agreed. Let that bloated, corrupt political body keep an eye on your bloated, corrupt political body. Canada is kinda shy about showing off ITS bloated, corrupt political body (beer gut), but in a few years, I'll sure we can all have a nice circle-jerk of futility and perceived fairness.

Jice Virago · Post by **Jice Virago** » July 2, 2004, 3:43 pm

It has good points and bad points.

If it stops some of the racial intimidation that occured last time, then it is a good thing. It would also make it a lot less feasable for a "Deibolding" of the vote in certain districts. Finally, it would give world exposure to how our democracy actually functions, giving people an insight into out culture.

On the other hand, it sets a dangerous prescedent of subjecting our system to foreign scrutiny. It also presents the appearence of bias of the federal election system, otherwise why would this be nessecary? Finally, it could pose interesting problems legally if one of these observers did make allegations; what would we do if Ambassador Magoomba says that JEb is rigging the votes in Florida, do we open a federal investigation on the basis of one foreinger's observations?

I will say it never hurts to have more eyes on what is going on though. The more people know the less they can get fucked over.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » July 2, 2004, 4:33 pm

Last time I had a circle jerk of futility nobody came.

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » July 2, 2004, 4:57 pm

I would rather see lawyers or heck, reps from an ally like UK or Canada being observers than the freakin UN, I mean that's rediculous.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » July 2, 2004, 5:01 pm

Krimson Klaw wrote:I mean that's rediculous.

Ludacrist even.

Sueven · Post by **Sueven** » July 2, 2004, 5:07 pm

Of course we would have much fewer problems if dumbasses could read or if partisan bitches realized that ever ballot is approved by both a dem and rep, including the infamous butterfly ballot.

Of course, those were the throwaway issues that no knowledgeable person is particularly concerned about, and those that were never seriously pursued by either side in the legal battle that followed the election.

Some of the partisan bitches actually have legitimate concerns. Republican, but not democratic, overseas ballots being altered to fit the appropriate standards of legality? Alleged racial intimidation? Disenfranchisement of legitimate voters?

If you will notice, those problems have nothing to do with stupid old people who can't read, they have nothing at all to do with the bipartisan ballot approval system, and the word "butterfly" was never mentioned.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » July 2, 2004, 5:11 pm

I'd say the republicans have more money to pay off UN officials than democrats do on average.

Let the corruption begin!

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » July 2, 2004, 6:59 pm

considering the fact that the man who was not fairly elected president is currently president of the united states and also currently turning to world to shit, I don't see how you can not be begging another body to make sure it doesn't happen again.

Siji · Post by **Siji** » July 2, 2004, 7:42 pm

Kylere wrote:I am aware a lot of people who read single views of things think there was a concerted effort to rig the election in Florida

You must be talking about the past felons that couldn't vote.. or people with the same birthday as felons.. or the same surname as felons.. etc.. etc..

Yeah, no effort to ditch democratic votes anywhere.

The sooner the electronic voting machines are installed, the sooner corruption takes over. Much easier to alter digital data than it is physical ones. Supervision is definitely needed this year.

For those that want Bush to win, I'd hope that you want him to win fairly and for such a win to be without question or suspicion. The same goes for those that want Kerry to win. If there's a problem with this years election, it's going to push even more people away from voting, and it's going to start a very ugly road.

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » July 2, 2004, 7:47 pm

kyoukan wrote:considering the fact that the man who was not fairly elected president is currently president of the united states and also currently turning to world to shit, I don't see how you can not be begging another body to make sure it doesn't happen again.

How was he not fairly elected? I dont totally disagree with you, but just not the UN.

archeiron · Post by **archeiron** » July 2, 2004, 8:17 pm

Krimson Klaw wrote:How was he not fairly elected? I dont totally disagree with you, but just not the UN.

DISCLAIMER: I have no objection to the outcome of 2000 election from a legal point.

It is perfectly acceptable to say that Bush was elected legally. The question of whether or not it was "fair" is one that is more subjective. It can be argued that it isn't "fair" that the person who took the majority of the votes did not win. The response of many (including myself) is to say that Bush won the majority of the electoral votes, and was thus made President.

In actually, I think that this response is "talking apples and oranges". The first observation is about what is fair, while the retort is regarding the legality of the issue.

Does that make sense? I am a little tired from work today.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » July 2, 2004, 8:58 pm

kyoukan wrote:considering the fact that the man who was not fairly elected president is currently president of the united states and also currently turning to world to shit, I don't see how you can not be begging another body to make sure it doesn't happen again.

Yeah he is turning everything to shit so much the fed just raised the rate first the first time in 4 years, Saddam is being tried by his own people, we haven't had a terror attack on our soil in almost 3 years. Yeah I see your point. Gosh you sure are smart and unbiased.

I alos love how correctly you pointed out how he was elected by the rules in place. I also love how you pointed out how there was no way they knew Florida would decide the election therefore all these bullshit claims that they rigged Florida is bullshit.

Good points KyoCUNT.

Oh wait you are a retard and wouldn't say anything remotely intelligent like that. NM CUNT.

Forthe · Post by **Forthe** » July 2, 2004, 9:05 pm

Krimson Klaw wrote:
kyoukan wrote:considering the fact that the man who was not fairly elected president is currently president of the united states and also currently turning to world to shit, I don't see how you can not be begging another body to make sure it doesn't happen again.
How was he not fairly elected? I dont totally disagree with you, but just not the UN.

Well we know a large number of people in Florida were disenfranchised. The circumstance and cast involved in this "error" doesn't inspire confidence in the system.

Hopefully this doesn't happen again.

Judge rules for media on Florida voter list
Upholds both 'right to inspect' and 'right to copy'

A state court judge in Florida ordered Thursday that the board of elections immediately release a list of nearly 50,000 suspected felons to CNN and other news organizations that last month sued the state for access to copies of the list.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/07/ ... index.html

The lawsuit, filed by CNN and joined by other news organizations, challenged a 2001 statute passed by the Republican-controlled legislature that limited the public's access to the list.

WTF would they try to hide this from the public?

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » July 2, 2004, 9:13 pm

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:Yeah he is turning everything to shit so much the fed just raised the rate first the first time in 4 years, Saddam is being tried by his own people, we haven't had a terror attack on our soil in almost 3 years. Yeah I see your point. Gosh you sure are smart and unbiased.

I alos love how correctly you pointed out how he was elected by the rules in place. I also love how you pointed out how there was no way they knew Florida would decide the election therefore all these bullshit claims that they rigged Florida is bullshit.

Good points KyoCUNT.

Oh wait you are a retard and wouldn't say anything remotely intelligent like that. NM CUNT.

I love how the more wrong you know you are the more shrill and retarded you start acting. you're like an even less intelligent version of hannity only with twice as much closet homosexuality.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » July 2, 2004, 9:20 pm

Krimson Klaw wrote:How was he not fairly elected? I dont totally disagree with you, but just not the UN.

you mean other than the state patrol blocking and harrassing black voters from going to the polls under the orders of jeb bush? or the buckets of "misplaced" and uncounted votes from black churches that were discovered afte the polls closed? or the attorney general (who was rewarded with a cushy lifetime ambassador job a few weeks after bush took office) who rigged voter felon lists to block 95% more people (almost entirely racial minorities that almost exclusively vote democrat) than it should have, and then declared bush the winner without even conducting a proper recount?

other than that you mean?

pervez musharraf's last election was less crooked than florida's.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » July 2, 2004, 9:27 pm

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:Good points KyoCUNT.

Oh wait you are a retard and wouldn't say anything remotely intelligent like that. NM CUNT.

That's a strong argument you present.

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » July 2, 2004, 9:31 pm

I guess if anything crooked were going to happen in that election, it would be in Florida. I have one question though, if we have all of this proof, why was nothing done about it by the Dems or civil rights groups other than the three recounts they had?

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » July 2, 2004, 9:58 pm

Aslanna wrote:
Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:Good points KyoCUNT.

Oh wait you are a retard and wouldn't say anything remotely intelligent like that. NM CUNT.
That's a strong argument you present.

About as strong as any I have heard against me. UH-HUH.

Jice Virago · Post by **Jice Virago** » July 2, 2004, 11:15 pm

Krimson Klaw wrote:I guess if anything crooked were going to happen in that election, it would be in Florida. I have one question though, if we have all of this proof, why was nothing done about it by the Dems or civil rights groups other than the three recounts they had?

A wide variety of reasons.

Some Factual:

Gore didn't have the balls to/ didn't want to divide the whole county into partisan warfare, so he conceeded before it came to that point.

Republicans were well organized and better prepared for the ensuing legal power struggle than the Dems. They planned a lot of the Florida BS well in advance and the people who pulled it off were well compensated, so no one was going to break ranks.

Some more Opinion:

Its pretty certain the american public had little tolerance left for federal investigations at the time, comming on the heals of the 40 million dollar blowjob hunt, so by pressing the issue the Dems would have looked more like they were head hunting. Reasonably speaking, most people didn't understand the kind of people Bush answered to, so the average centrist american didn't feel that disrupting the government was worth it at the time.

Bush had (at that time) a strong quiet support from the major players in the US Defense and Inteligence communities, as well as a congressional majority and domination of the supreme court (who ultimately voted him in to office) which would have made any kind of washington power struggle extremely favorable to him. Obviously he has pissed off a lot of those same people who helped usher him in since then, but at the time there were domestic forces being mobilized in case things got ugly and the major players in washington were rolling out the red carpet for Bush.

Those last two were not my direct opinions, but the opinion of a friend of mine who works in Naval Security and was living in DC at that time.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » July 2, 2004, 11:58 pm

Krimson Klaw wrote:I guess if anything crooked were going to happen in that election, it would be in Florida. I have one question though, if we have all of this proof, why was nothing done about it by the Dems or civil rights groups other than the three recounts they had?

Because they have no proof. They don't need proof. By claiming all these things like lying about war, Florida being rigged, they get their desired effect. All they have to do is go out in force and stay consistent with their negative campaign they have been running for 4 years now. It's working too. Look how close Kerry is in the polls.

It's the same shit they always do. That is the reason I am such an anti-democrat(liberal), way more than I am actually a Republican. They a negative by nature, but yet call Republicans negative. It's such an effective tool and it works! I mean look at this board and how many bitter negative people call others those things and come out looking good. It's just mind boggling.

Thess · Post by **Thess** » July 3, 2004, 12:09 am

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:
Krimson Klaw wrote:I guess if anything crooked were going to happen in that election, it would be in Florida. I have one question though, if we have all of this proof, why was nothing done about it by the Dems or civil rights groups other than the three recounts they had?
Because they have no proof. They don't need proof. By claiming all these things like lying about war, Florida being rigged, they get their desired effect. All they have to do is go out in force and stay consistent with their negative campaign they have been running for 4 years now. It's working too. Look how close Kerry is in the polls.

It's the same shit they always do. That is the reason I am such an anti-democrat(liberal), way more than I am actually a Republican. They a negative by nature, but yet call Republicans negative. It's such an effective tool and it works! I mean look at this board and how many bitter negative people call others those things and come out looking good. It's just mind boggling.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA - at least the democrats didn't literally *HUNT* George Bush - or by now he'd be on trial for one thing or another. Bill Clinton got it for 8 years.

It is done on both sides, just honestly - I find it much worse to lie to kill thousands of people, make hundreds of millions of dollars, etc. etc. is much worse then lying about a blowjob.

Sueven · Post by **Sueven** » July 3, 2004, 12:12 am

I have one question though, if we have all of this proof, why was nothing done about it by the Dems or civil rights groups other than the three recounts they had?

Because it wouldn't change anything. Both Gore and Bush's legal teams selected issues that they felt gave them the best chance to win a court battle. Everything hinged on getting more votes. Decisions which said "well, this was done wrong, but in hindsight, there's nothing that can be done about it" are worthless. The issues that were adjudicated were therefore very particular and narrow. After Bush won, there was no longer any point to continuing the legal battle, as Gore could not become president, so the rest of it was never really settled.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » July 3, 2004, 12:26 am

Sueven wrote:Because it wouldn't change anything. Both Gore and Bush's legal teams selected issues that they felt gave them the best chance to win a court battle. Everything hinged on getting more votes. Decisions which said "well, this was done wrong, but in hindsight, there's nothing that can be done about it" are worthless. The issues that were adjudicated were therefore very particular and narrow. After Bush won, there was no longer any point to continuing the legal battle, as Gore could not become president, so the rest of it was never really settled.

Or you could subscribe to Midnyte's theory that they had no proof. It was all simply made up!

But whoever believes that would be a complete moron so I doubt that includes anyone here.

Forthe · Post by **Forthe** » July 3, 2004, 1:34 am

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:
Krimson Klaw wrote:I guess if anything crooked were going to happen in that election, it would be in Florida. I have one question though, if we have all of this proof, why was nothing done about it by the Dems or civil rights groups other than the three recounts they had?
Because they have no proof. They don't need proof. By claiming all these things like lying about war, Florida being rigged, they get their desired effect. All they have to do is go out in force and stay consistent with their negative campaign they have been running for 4 years now. It's working too. Look how close Kerry is in the polls.

It's the same shit they always do. That is the reason I am such an anti-democrat(liberal), way more than I am actually a Republican. They a negative by nature, but yet call Republicans negative. It's such an effective tool and it works! I mean look at this board and how many bitter negative people call others those things and come out looking good. It's just mind boggling.

The "error" that disenfranchised thousands of citizens in Florida has been publicly acknowledged by state officials.

After the 2000 election the NAACP sued and settled with the state Division of Elections agreeing to research and reconsider those who were declared ineligible and to begin monthly notification of the felons list to the county supervisors of election. The list that had 173k names in 2000 now has 47k for 2004.

And it seems even with all the scrutiny they are recieving they are still fucking up.

Drolgin Steingrinder · Post by **Drolgin Steingrinder** » July 3, 2004, 7:24 am

Krimson Klaw wrote:I would rather see lawyers or heck, reps from an ally like UK or Canada being observers than the freakin UN, I mean that's rediculous.

I'm curious, why so vehemently against the UN as observers?

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » July 3, 2004, 9:24 am

i think it is pretty suspicious that the state of Florida tried in court to deny access to the news media to the "felon list", and when that ruling went down to allow the media to see it, the State of Florida tried to prevent them from photocopying it, which again had to be settled in court.

That is pretty fucking suspicious.

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » July 3, 2004, 10:34 am

Drolgin Steingrinder wrote:
Krimson Klaw wrote:I would rather see lawyers or heck, reps from an ally like UK or Canada being observers than the freakin UN, I mean that's rediculous.
I'm curious, why so vehemently against the UN as observers?

Are you serious?

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » July 3, 2004, 10:47 am

also what is up with the Justice Departments recent denial to give the press something because "copying the file would cause our computers to crash".

huh?!

if it is true it is pretty frightening

and since i'm relatively sure the DOJ isnt storing vital data on a 486dx33 running Windows 3.11 for Workgroups, i'm going to have to call bullshit.

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » July 3, 2004, 11:21 am

I dont see how there can be any objection. Its Florida WAS RIGGED by the Bush admin. I would love to hear anyone right now dispute that. I personally know people who's votes were thrown out, becouse they were accused of a felony, but never convicted. Florida WAS RIGGED.

With this fact, it is obvious we need unbiased help on counting our election results.

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » July 3, 2004, 11:37 am

Thanks for filling me in on the felonies list. My first time even hearing about this for some reason. Yea that's bullshit.

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » July 3, 2004, 12:26 pm

Krimson Klaw wrote:Thanks for filling me in on the felonies list. My first time even hearing about this for some reason. Yea that's bullshit.

Its not bullshit, its even in Michael Moores new movie

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » July 3, 2004, 12:37 pm

Xzion wrote:I dont see how there can be any objection. Its Florida WAS RIGGED by the Bush admin. I would love to hear anyone right now dispute that. I personally know people who's votes were thrown out, becouse they were accused of a felony, but never convicted. Florida WAS RIGGED.

With this fact, it is obvious we need unbiased help on counting our election results.

I agree I feel the same way about Iowa the Gore won that state by less then 300 votes, Im sure a investigation would of turned up something. Im sure the democrats cheated some how.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » July 3, 2004, 1:28 pm

Cartalas wrote:
Xzion wrote:I dont see how there can be any objection. Its Florida WAS RIGGED by the Bush admin. I would love to hear anyone right now dispute that. I personally know people who's votes were thrown out, becouse they were accused of a felony, but never convicted. Florida WAS RIGGED.

With this fact, it is obvious we need unbiased help on counting our election results.

I agree I feel the same way about Iowa the Gore won that state by less then 300 votes, Im sure a investigation would of turned up something. Im sure the democrats cheated some how.

Yes they must have. I hope we show more weakness to the rest of the world ask for more Un involvement in our affairs. LOL Unbelieveable how short sighted some of you people are. You just can't see the big picture at all. It's so fucking frightening.

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » July 3, 2004, 2:02 pm

I'm actually in agreement with wanting to avoid the same fiasco from last election and getting some observers to ensure fairness. But bringing in the crooked UN, who themselves are under investigation right now for financial wrongdoings? Why not bring in the Enron execs to oversee this?

We need someone to be there, like I said, maybe an ally, but not the UN.

archeiron · Post by **archeiron** » July 3, 2004, 2:03 pm

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:Yes they must have. I hope we show more weakness to the rest of the world ask for more Un involvement in our affairs. LOL Unbelieveable how short sighted some of you people are. You just can't see the big picture at all. It's so fucking frightening.

Asking for help isn't a sign of weakness. Regardless of whether it is or not, I am sure that the US could do with a healthy slice of humble pie anyway.

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » July 3, 2004, 2:22 pm

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:
Cartalas wrote:
Xzion wrote:I dont see how there can be any objection. Its Florida WAS RIGGED by the Bush admin. I would love to hear anyone right now dispute that. I personally know people who's votes were thrown out, becouse they were accused of a felony, but never convicted. Florida WAS RIGGED.

With this fact, it is obvious we need unbiased help on counting our election results.

I agree I feel the same way about Iowa the Gore won that state by less then 300 votes, Im sure a investigation would of turned up something. Im sure the democrats cheated some how.
Yes they must have. I hope we show more weakness to the rest of the world ask for more Un involvement in our affairs. LOL Unbelieveable how short sighted some of you people are. You just can't see the big picture at all. It's so fucking frightening.

Yes, we show ourselves to be stronger and more respectable to the World when we tell the UN regarding iraq (quote from daily show

)
FUCK YOU UN, FUCK YOU, WERE GOING TO ROCK IRAQ

I have no idea what happened in Iowa, I wouldnt be surprised if the Republicans or Democrates tryed or did rig that state, like both sides must have tried in other situations, this is just more proof we need a organization like the UN to make sure we dont fuck up or rig any more states...remember, i wanted bush to win 4 years ago

Siji · Post by **Siji** » July 3, 2004, 3:51 pm

I wish I could find this playing near me. You can view the movie trailer at the Apple quicktime trailers page.

http://www.thehuntingofthepresident.com

(Actually, the trailer is also on this page, my bad.)

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » July 3, 2004, 5:24 pm

Siji wrote:I wish I could find this playing near me. You can view the movie trailer at the Apple quicktime trailers page.

http://www.thehuntingofthepresident.com

(Actually, the trailer is also on this page, my bad.)

A travesty for sure. Of course, the way it is portrayed is probably way worse than the way they put it. No different than a Michael Moore movie really.

I hope they make a movie about what they are doing to Bush. It is equally if not more appauling.

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » July 3, 2004, 6:26 pm

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:
Siji wrote:I wish I could find this playing near me. You can view the movie trailer at the Apple quicktime trailers page.

http://www.thehuntingofthepresident.com

(Actually, the trailer is also on this page, my bad.)
A travesty for sure. Of course, the way it is portrayed is probably way worse than the way they put it. No different than a Michael Moore movie really.

I hope they make a movie about what they are doing to Bush. It is equally if not more appauling.

Its not what "they" are doing to Bush, its what Bush is doing to himself.

But of course they must be un american basterds if there doing something so appauling such as questioning the credibility and leadership abilitys of there president, one of the main freedoms we sought after in the times of the revolutionary war.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » July 3, 2004, 8:15 pm

Careful liberals. Don't overdo your Bush bashing or the president will start to get the sympathy vote.