Beheading of the day!!

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » June 22, 2004, 2:08 pm

BREAKING NEWS Al-Jazeera TV reports Iraqi militant group has killed South Korean hostage Kim Sun-il. CNN working to confirm.

This is getting old, Time to either clean up that shit-hole or leave.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » June 22, 2004, 2:27 pm

Humans get numb to anything after awhile.

If there was a beheading a day for awhile, it would just become accepted. People need higher and higher shock value to stay interested. As with the moon landings in the late 60's and early 70's, no one gave a crap after a few of them and the networks wouldn't even televise them due to low ratings.

The terrorists better come up with something more shocking soon or they'll lose their audience.

I'd hire the producer of Fear Factor if I was a terrorist to really spruce up the killings.

Sick world.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » June 22, 2004, 2:52 pm

Winnow wrote:Humans get numb to anything after awhile.

If there was a beheading a day for awhile, it would just become accepted. People need higher and higher shock value to stay interested. As with the moon landings in the late 60's and early 70's, no one gave a crap after a few of them and the networks wouldn't even televise them due to low ratings.

The terrorists better some up with something more shocking soon or they'll lose their audience.

I'd hire the producer of Fear Factor if I was a terrorist to really spruce up the killings.

Sick world.

I heven't seen any outrage at the first couple beheadings. I've heard 1000times more coverage and public outrage over the panties on the heads than these beheadings. If America was beheading people then it would be news.

Niffoni · Post by **Niffoni** » June 22, 2004, 3:07 pm

It would be Texas =D

Seriously. Why call them hostages? If you're really holding someone hostage, you make more demands than "Can I borrow your camera for a minute?"

Fesuni Chopsui · Post by **Fesuni Chopsui** » June 22, 2004, 3:09 pm

America murdering people every day actually is quite a frequently covered subject everyday

...sure we aren't beheading anyone! But we're raping them, beating them to near death, land, money, resources and anything they could possibly hold dear

It is rather dissapointing that this South Korean was murdered - but frankly I'm not surprised and truly not that interested...it was South Korea's decision to send its people into this fuckup of a war...this is the price that, unfortunately, many countries will probably be paying over the next few months

Fesuni Chopsui · Post by **Fesuni Chopsui** » June 22, 2004, 3:10 pm

Niffoni wrote:It would be Texas =D

Seriously. Why call them hostages? If you're really holding someone hostage, you make more demands than "Can I borrow your camera for a minute?"

I don't really think they call them hostages...if I've read right, they call them infidels on all footage they can - the media are the ones that have labeled them hostages / hostage situations

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » June 22, 2004, 3:43 pm

I heven't seen any outrage at the first couple beheadings.

Then you are blind.

Jice Virago · Post by **Jice Virago** » June 22, 2004, 4:02 pm

Even in California, the liberal capitol of the country (so liberal that I feel like saying racist things just to balance my mind out from time to time) reacted pretty severely to the first two beheadings. I know from my family that it was similar in the Midwest. I mean, your mouth is permanently attacked to Bill O'Riely's bean bag and you didn't hear any outrage on the Ministry of Fox News?

Karae · Post by **Karae** » June 22, 2004, 4:10 pm

We're at war, btw. War is ugly. That's why those of us with brains weren't willing to fight one for fallacious, contrived, or insufficient reasons.

At least the people being beheaded are adults. I'm more concerned about the Iraqi children our "smart" bombs have been killing.

If the beheadings disturb you - just remember they happened because of those of you who supported George W. Bush and this Byzantine war. Disgusting crimes in a disgusting.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » June 22, 2004, 4:16 pm

Karae wrote:We're at war, btw. War is ugly. That's why those of us with brains weren't willing to fight one for fallacious, contrived, or insufficient reasons.

At least the people being beheaded are adults. I'm more concerned about the Iraqi children our "smart" bombs have been killing.

If the beheadings disturb you - just remember they happened because of those of you who supported George W. Bush and this Byzantine war. Disgusting crimes in a disgusting.

No. They happened because they are terrorists. They do these things and televise them to "terrorize" people. They hope squemish people like you will want to back out. They know many people don't have the backbone to make the necessary sacrifices for the greater good of the populace. I'm glad Bush does have the backbone and doesn't rule by polls. I hope we continue to kill terrorists. Hopefully we can set them back a decade or two till we need to clense again.

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » June 22, 2004, 4:19 pm

"If the beheadings disturb you - just remember they happened because of those of you who supported George W. Bush and this Byzantine war. Disgusting crimes in a disgusting."

Like everyone that voted in November knew this was going to happen.

Bubba Grizz · Post by **Bubba Grizz** » June 22, 2004, 4:27 pm

Not to sound callous but with this being a South Korean, does this mean that these people are out to piss off more nations or to try and scare them? I was going to say at least he wasn't American but then I realized that isn't the way I really feel about it. What if they nab a German or a Frog? How will that sway public opinion in their part of the world? Will they be pissed at the bad guys or us?

Keverian FireCry · Post by **Keverian FireCry** » June 22, 2004, 4:39 pm

You don't get it at all. Fighting these wars strengthens terrorists and gives them reason to kill, not just in Iraq, but all over the world. We are not weakening terrorists, we are giving them reason to fight for decades more. This terrorism began because of horrible US/UN policy and it will continue because of such policy.

You are talking about terrorists bringing fear into people and you don'trealize that the US government has you by the balls because of the fear they've instilled in you. Fear is what gives our president the power to go to war. Fear is what keeps people like you supportive of the corrupt system that rules you.

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » June 22, 2004, 4:53 pm

Karae wrote:We're at war, btw. War is ugly. That's why those of us with brains weren't willing to fight one for fallacious, contrived, or insufficient reasons.

At least the people being beheaded are adults. I'm more concerned about the Iraqi children our "smart" bombs have been killing.

If the beheadings disturb you - just remember they happened because of those of you who supported George W. Bush and this Byzantine war. Disgusting crimes in a disgusting.

You are an imbecile. These acts have been carried out by Al Qaeda...not Iraq. If you can actually recall back to the year 2001, Al Qaeda was the group responsible for attacking 10,000+ multinationals at the World Trade Centers. Notice that did not say the U.S. Trade Centers you buffoon.

George Bush did not send any troops over until we were attacked by that group...which happened to be based in Afghanistan.

You just keep believing in your happy little world that Bush is the cause of all the evil. If those fuckstains had not attacked civilians in New York, WE WOULD NOT BE BOMBING ANYTHING. Can you read and understand the words you are seeing on this page?

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » June 22, 2004, 5:02 pm

eh I am sure Bush would have gone after Iraq sooner or later anyway. Wouldn't have put Afghanistan even further into the stoneage than it was though.

And yeah they are performed by al Qaeda members, however the Iraqi war has increased recruitment nicely for them.

Karae · Post by **Karae** » June 22, 2004, 6:13 pm

Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:You are an imbecile. These acts have been carried out by Al Qaeda...not Iraq. If you can actually recall back to the year 2001, Al Qaeda was the group responsible for attacking 10,000+ multinationals at the World Trade Centers. Notice that did not say the U.S. Trade Centers you buffoon.

No, the act was commited by an Iraqi militant group, not Al-Qaeda. This group was formed when we wrongfully invaded their country.

George Bush did not send any troops over until we were attacked by that group...which happened to be based in Afghanistan.

This execution had nothing to do with Afghanistan - and 9/11 had nothing to do with our invading Iraq. Even Bush admits that there is no tie between Iraq and 9/11.

You just keep believing in your happy little world that Bush is the cause of all the evil. If those fuckstains had not attacked civilians in New York, WE WOULD NOT BE BOMBING ANYTHING. Can you read and understand the words you are seeing on this page?

All the evil? I don't recall ever having said that. My only assertion is that when you invade a nation without cause, hell even with cause, you have to expect this sort of thing. It doesn't make this kind of thing right, but given the circumstance that we invaded Iraq with no legitimate reason and are killing innocent citizens, including children, on a daily basis it's easy for me to say that we could have, and should have, avoided the beheadings altogether

The only thing 9/11 did, with regards to Iraq, was give something for pinheads like you to latch onto. Bush was already clearly focused on cleaning up his father's mess.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » June 22, 2004, 7:42 pm

There's a lot of modern day hippies that post here.

Slap those blinders on and keep preaching that everyone is evil, especially the U.S.! We do nothing right. We're one big fuck up.

Adex_Xeda · Post by **Adex_Xeda** » June 22, 2004, 7:48 pm

Karae wrote:This execution had nothing to do with Afghanistan - and 9/11 had nothing to do with our invading Iraq. Even Bush admits that there is no tie between Iraq and 9/11.

That is only a fragment of Bush's statement on the matter.

George Bush wrote:The reason I keep insisting that there was a relationship between Iraq and Saddam and al Qaeda, because there was a relationship between Iraq and al Qaeda. This administration never said that the 9/11 attacks were orchestrated between Saddam and al Qaeda. We did say there were numerous contacts between Saddam Hussein and al Qaeda. For example, Iraqi intelligence officers met with bin Laden, the head of al Qaeda, in the Sudan. There's numerous contacts between the two.

Pherr the Dorf · Post by **Pherr the Dorf** » June 22, 2004, 8:00 pm

Bubba Grizz wrote:Not to sound callous but with this being a South Korean, does this mean that these people are out to piss off more nations or to try and scare them? I was going to say at least he wasn't American but then I realized that isn't the way I really feel about it. What if they nab a German or a Frog? How will that sway public opinion in their part of the world? Will they be pissed at the bad guys or us?

South Korea has troops and is about to send more, hence they took this guy, much like the Italians they took awhile back. On the other hand, they released the Spanards, because Spain was already pulling out. There is a method to their fucking psycho-ness

Fesuni Chopsui · Post by **Fesuni Chopsui** » June 22, 2004, 8:51 pm

Adex_Xeda wrote:
Karae wrote:This execution had nothing to do with Afghanistan - and 9/11 had nothing to do with our invading Iraq. Even Bush admits that there is no tie between Iraq and 9/11.
That is only a fragment of Bush's statement on the matter.

George Bush wrote:The reason I keep insisting that there was a relationship between Iraq and Saddam and al Qaeda, because there was a relationship between Iraq and al Qaeda. This administration never said that the 9/11 attacks were orchestrated between Saddam and al Qaeda. We did say there were numerous contacts between Saddam Hussein and al Qaeda. For example, Iraqi intelligence officers met with bin Laden, the head of al Qaeda, in the Sudan. There's numerous contacts between the two.

So Bush's reason for his, illadvised, illinformed, wrong sentement on the connect between Iraq, Saddam and al Qaeada is because he told us so? That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard of

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » June 22, 2004, 8:57 pm

Fesuni Chopsui wrote:
Adex_Xeda wrote:
Karae wrote:This execution had nothing to do with Afghanistan - and 9/11 had nothing to do with our invading Iraq. Even Bush admits that there is no tie between Iraq and 9/11.
That is only a fragment of Bush's statement on the matter.

George Bush wrote:The reason I keep insisting that there was a relationship between Iraq and Saddam and al Qaeda, because there was a relationship between Iraq and al Qaeda. This administration never said that the 9/11 attacks were orchestrated between Saddam and al Qaeda. We did say there were numerous contacts between Saddam Hussein and al Qaeda. For example, Iraqi intelligence officers met with bin Laden, the head of al Qaeda, in the Sudan. There's numerous contacts between the two.
So Bush's reason for his, illadvised, illinformed, wrong sentement on the connect between Iraq, Saddam and al Qaeada is because he told us so? That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard of

Fesuni you aren't making any sense here. What sentement of Bush's was wrong? It has already been proven there was a connection between Al Qaeda and Saddam. There how ever has been no proof uncovered thus far that Saddam had anything to do with 9/11.

nobody · Post by **nobody** » June 22, 2004, 11:16 pm

Keverian FireCry wrote:You don't get it at all. Fighting these wars strengthens terrorists and gives them reason to kill, not just in Iraq, but all over the world. We are not weakening terrorists, we are giving them reason to fight for decades more. This terrorism began because of horrible US/UN policy and it will continue because of such policy.

You are talking about terrorists bringing fear into people and you don'trealize that the US government has you by the balls because of the fear they've instilled in you. Fear is what gives our president the power to go to war. Fear is what keeps people like you supportive of the corrupt system that rules you.

you dont get it at all. crashing planes and beheading people strengthens me and gives me a reason to kill, not just in AF but all over the world. the terrorists are not weakening us, they are giving us reason to fight for decades more, this "horrible US/UN policy" began because of such terrorists.

you are talking about the US government bringing fear into people and you dont realize the terrorists have you by the balls because of the fear they've instilled in you. fear is what gives UBL the power to recruit. fear is what keeps the corrupt hearted terrorists doing what works.

fear leads to anger. anger leads to hate. hate is the path to the dark side.

Arilain · Post by **Arilain** » June 22, 2004, 11:43 pm

Zarquawri (Bad spelling I know) is affiliated with Osama Bin Laden. Every individual cell in Al Quada has it's own name. Iraq harbored this particular individual while being treated for a wounded leg which was later amputated.

Here is the difference between a smart bomb and a terrorist though. Smart bombs are used in war and do not give warning when they strike. Often the ones that are killed by bombs like these during wars are not using better judgement or they are soldiers of the enemy. ie = Get the hell out of dodge if you are a civilian. Sadly in Iraq and other conflicts the militants had no problems using women and children as human shields.

Terrorists actively seek out easy targets such as civilians. The fact that most cases of terrorism have activly targeted civilians proves this. They try to make a political or ideological statement and also try to get as much publicity as they can to further inspire fear and further thier own agenda.

Regardless what we do in the middle east they will hate the west because of Isreal. Make no mistake about it, they want us dead.

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » June 22, 2004, 11:52 pm

I'm starting to think that Midnyte is a white house intern and has a stained suit tucked away in a closet somewhere.

I forsee him designing handbags in the future..

Tyek · Post by **Tyek** » June 23, 2004, 12:33 am

While I am not a supporter of the war, I would like to ask those who say we should have ignored these attacks why they think we would not have been attacked again?

The WTC was attacked years before 9/11. We essentially threw up our arms and said "ok, do it again and we will come get you." They bombed US buildings throughout the world, they attacked our ships and we did not really retaliate.

There is nothing in their actions that suggest they want anything but the destruction of everyone that does not have their beliefs. I think that is more racist and short-sighted then we will ever be in the US.

These terrorist organizations are going to continue to attack the US and it's allies because they support Israel, because they invaded Iraq, because they don't pray to the right diety. They do not need a reason, they want to destroy what they do not understand.

I say this knowing Iraq is not the terrorist, they got caught up in a bad situation because they had a stupid leader who baited the bully and got his ass kicked. Iraq has harbored known terrorist though, and will continue too.

I was just curious what the "Liberal" view on how we could stop terrorism is. I am very moderate in most things and I am so torn over this. If we react we are wrong, if we don't react we are wrong. I am not the President (obviously) but this was a total no win situation and Kerry, Gore, Bush, Clinton and any others would be hard pressed to play it much differently then we are now.

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » June 23, 2004, 1:02 am

Tyek wrote:While I am not a supporter of the war, I would like to ask those who say we should have ignored these attacks why they think we would not have been attacked again?

The WTC was attacked years before 9/11. We essentially threw up our arms and said "ok, do it again and we will come get you." They bombed US buildings throughout the world, they attacked our ships and we did not really retaliate.

There is nothing in their actions that suggest they want anything but the destruction of everyone that does not have their beliefs. I think that is more racist and short-sighted then we will ever be in the US.

These terrorist organizations are going to continue to attack the US and it's allies because they support Israel, because they invaded Iraq, because they don't pray to the right diety. They do not need a reason, they want to destroy what they do not understand.

I say this knowing Iraq is not the terrorist, they got caught up in a bad situation because they had a stupid leader who baited the bully and got his ass kicked. Iraq has harbored known terrorist though, and will continue too.

I was just curious what the "Liberal" view on how we could stop terrorism is. I am very moderate in most things and I am so torn over this. If we react we are wrong, if we don't react we are wrong. I am not the President (obviously) but this was a total no win situation and Kerry, Gore, Bush, Clinton and any others would be hard pressed to play it much differently then we are now.

I dont know what the "liberal" solution is, but i say if you dont want to get an ant bite, stay the fuck away from the ant pile, dont poke it with sticks and expect them to back off.
That, and stop supporting Israel, support a Palestinian nation and there will be MUCH less hate for the US in that region

Of course, terrorism will never end, just like crime will never end. All a terrorist is is an elaborite criminal, nothing more, nothing less.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » June 23, 2004, 1:17 am

well destabilizing the Middle East further by taking out the blockade that was Saddam Hussein, and removing somewhat of a check to Iran may not be a tactical move in the long term strategic picture for the region.

yep mistakes were made over the last 20 years...maybe 30 years by our government in response to terrorism. Removing our troops from Lebanon in the early 80s was a mistake. It showed that we are not willing to stomach minor (relatively) casualities to meet certain ends.

anyways, long story longer, the jury is out on whether or not this (invading Iraq) was a move that will seriously help, seriously hurt, or have little effect on the War on Terror.

i'm of the opinion at best it is a diversion.

Tyek · Post by **Tyek** » June 23, 2004, 1:28 am

Xzion

using your analogy, if the ants start moving into your house, attacking things inside it, do you not spray them with poison?? Sometimes ignoring a problem can create a bigger one.

Again not saying that we made the right decision, just that there are 2 sided to every issue and it is not as clear cut as many people here seem to think it is.

Rekaar. · Post by **Rekaar.** » June 23, 2004, 2:00 am

given the circumstance that we invaded Iraq with no legitimate reason and are killing innocent citizens, including children, on a daily basis it's easy for me to say that we could have, and should have, avoided the beheadings altogether

I'm sorry, that's like saying "well she shouldn't have been dressed like that if she didn't want it" to a rape victim. It's ridiculous to blame anyone but the perpetrator in both situations and to claim anything else is just irresponsible rhetoric.

You want to say going into Iraq or anyplace else was unjustified? Fine, that's your right. You want to claim our soldiers, our sons and fathers, are outright murdering "innocent civilians" for no apparent reason? How insulting.

Do you know anyone serving in Iraq? Anyone at all? Are they capable of walking into the house next door and blasting away? I can't picture any one of the 1000s of soldiers I have known in my lifetime doing that, and if you stop and think about it I doubt you can either. If you're going to claim outlandish and insulting things about people at least have some sort of grasp on the facts. And frankly, if you've never known any of our soldiers and all your claims are based on some easily discredited 3rd party you really have no place commenting on the topic as if you've got a clue.

Keverian FireCry · Post by **Keverian FireCry** » June 23, 2004, 2:16 am

Noone said it was soldiers going in and shooting innocent people at point blank. Innocent people are dying because our smart bombs are not smart enough, or people getting killed in crossfire, etc.

Keverian FireCry · Post by **Keverian FireCry** » June 23, 2004, 2:24 am

There is nothing in their actions that suggest they want anything but the destruction of everyone that does not have their beliefs. I think that is more racist and short-sighted then we will ever be in the US.

That is absolute bullshit. They are retaliating against us for decades of horrible policy over there, that resulted in death, be it from starvation, disease, civil conflict, etc. It is not because we aren't Islamic.

Tyek · Post by **Tyek** » June 23, 2004, 3:10 am

Leader of the Muslim Brotherhood in Sudan, al-Turabi worked with the Mahdist party and was a mentor of Dr. Ayman al-Zawahiri, who later became a close aide of Osama bin Laden. Al-Turabi continued to develop three ideas which have been fundamental to the Islamist movement: that Islam is a necessary source of identity, that the current ills in society are due to the failure to implement shari'a, and that once society is fully Islamic, it will rise up and successfully challenge the West because Islam is the superior system, coming directly from God. All of these have strong appeal to Muslims who are inheritors of one of history's great religions and civilizations, but who currently live in grinding poverty while the West dominates the world political scene

Honored by Osama bin Laden as a "spiritual leader," Rahman was involved with those who assassinated Egyptian President Sadat and regards violent jihad as a legitimate means of Muslims to defend Islam against the West. Like many earlier Islamists, his original concern was with the Egyptian government, and he does not consider any ruler acceptable who ignores Islamic law. Over time, however, he has turned his attention to the West as being the greater enemy. He not only justifies the use of jihad, but is even willing to employ it if it kills innocent people

http://atheism.about.com/library/FAQs/i ... amaat1.htm

"It is neither for us to decide the aim and purpose of our existence nor to prescribe the limits of our worldly authority, nor is anyone else entitled to make these decisions for us. ...Nothing can claim sovereignty, be it a human being, a family, a class, or a group of people, or even the human race in the world as a whole. God alone is the Sovereign, and His commandments the Law of Islam.

Thus, no ruler who refused to fully institute Islamic law really deserved obedience. Secular rulers and their secular laws do not have authority over the believer - only God and God's laws do. Revolution is not simply a right, but is in fact a duty of every Muslim.

For this reason, Muslims must engage in jihad in order to re-create their society and ultimately the world. He even declared that jihad was a central tenet of Islam, on par with the traditional Five Pillars of Faith. Maududi became perhaps the first systematic Islamic thinker to to put jihad in such a central religious position."

Does not look like bullshit to me, these are all people that either helped Osama or on which he founded his beliefs.

AGAIN I said Iraq is not the terrorist nation. I would like to see us leave soon. I have a cousin there and hope only that he and everyone else there, regardless of nationality is safe, but to think these terrorist groups would stop because we left is naive.

Forthe · Post by **Forthe** » June 23, 2004, 3:16 am

How is your bold section any different than advocating democracy?

Tyek · Post by **Tyek** » June 23, 2004, 3:34 am

I never said it was different from democracy, I think most groups think their beliefs are the one and only way to go. I was trying to point out that the statement Kev said was bullshit, was not.

I guess I got things off track, sorry about that, but I still think there is no real way to finish this issue, If we leave, they say we are weak and the terrorists recruit, saying they can beat us. If we stay we upset the surrounding nations and help terrorist recruit against the invaders. To lay the blame of all this on one President is not realistic.There were a lot of Presidents and congressional bodies both Republican and Democrat that put us into this no win situation.

Am I voting for Bush, I don't think so, I hate how his religious views skew his thinking, but I don't think any other options are viable either and we are still going to be stuck in this situation. That is my humble opinion, I do not say it is right or wrong, it is just what I believe.

Keverian FireCry · Post by **Keverian FireCry** » June 23, 2004, 3:56 am

Of course they are using Islam to bring people with common interests to their cause, but this is not simply a religous war against the US. It was similar economic/social pressures that enabled someone like Hitler to take power and to start such a horrific movement. When people have nothing to lose they open themselves up to certain extremes and will follow anyone who offers some hope for their dying culture/country.

These people are not naturally violent nor hateful people, just as the German people weren't. There's a limit to what people can take before they are susceptible to such extremes, and it's obvious the arab people are no different.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » June 23, 2004, 4:09 am

Xzion wrote: I dont know what the "liberal" solution is, but i say if you dont want to get an ant bite, stay the fuck away from the ant pile, dont poke it with sticks and expect them to back off.

You don't think leveling the World Trade Towers wasn't poking a stick into a Hornets nest? What kind of fucked up mentality do you have to have to think the US wouldn't go ape shit all over the middle east after doing that?

I'm just waiting for the next mensa terrorist to decide to release a chemical or biological weapon in the US. That will do nothing but piss the american people off again and drive support for the war.

You have to admit, even you liberal fucks were pissed off after 911...nah, that's ok, I won't call you out on it...you can keep the memory wiped from your mind and keep blaming the U.S. for all ills in the world.

Thanks to idiots in the middle east, Bush is a lock to be re-elected. As an added bonus, you can stare at Reagan's mug on a bill or coin soon just to rub it in.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » June 23, 2004, 8:57 am

Winnow wrote:
Xzion wrote: I dont know what the "liberal" solution is, but i say if you dont want to get an ant bite, stay the fuck away from the ant pile, dont poke it with sticks and expect them to back off.
You don't think leveling the World Trade Towers wasn't poking a stick into a Hornets nest? What kind of fucked up mentality do you have to have to think the US wouldn't go ape shit all over the middle east after doing that?

I'm just waiting for the next mensa terrorist to decide to release a chemical or biological weapon in the US. That will do nothing but piss the american people off again and drive support for the war.

You have to admit, even you liberal fucks were pissed off after 911...nah, that's ok, I won't call you out on it...you can keep the memory wiped from your mind and keep blaming the U.S. for all ills in the world.

Thanks to idiots in the middle east, Bush is a lock to be re-elected. As an added bonus, you can stare at Reagan's mug on a bill or coin soon just to rub it in.

I would hope they don't pull off a chemical or biological attack in the US, unless they want to get nuked.

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » June 23, 2004, 9:10 am

Ahhh, that's why Mid hasn't seen any outrage. No one's been nuked yet.

And who, pray tell, would you nuke if there was a chemical/biological attack in the US?

At least you're finally heading down the right road to win your war on terrorism, global genocide would actually have some chance of achieving Bush's stated aims.

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » June 23, 2004, 10:03 am

Man I would love it if the terrorists actually took a political stand and owned a country like they did in Afghanistan, that makes it too easy.

Problem is that cowards do not hide in capitols, they hide in caves, therefore when the next attack occurs on the US we lack a target to nuke.

Mak · Post by **Mak** » June 23, 2004, 10:11 am

I'm just wondering how long it will be before someone does something gruesome to a Muslim here.

Fesuni Chopsui · Post by **Fesuni Chopsui** » June 23, 2004, 10:37 am

They've been having to deal with gruesome shit for quite some time from us

But it hasn't come to beheading yet (at least not in the traditional sense)...I'd give it a few more weeks!

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » June 23, 2004, 10:57 am

Living in Michigan with a LARGE arab population, most of whom ( and I know it sounds like a stereotype but it is aan apparent fact here ) are doctors or QuickEMart place owners or many are both.

Considering they have a hard time finding receptionists who can spell, and clerks who can count change, they are already getting grief. Not to mention I hear white and black people bitching about them all the time, and generally being racist assholes about them.

Hel I heard an otherwise educated school teacher bitch about them and sound like a complete racist asshole the other day to the point that I left his presense and unless I am forced to by the fact that I married into his family, will never be around him again.

Arilain · Post by **Arilain** » June 23, 2004, 11:02 am

I have a question for you guys?

Would you get killed by a terrorist if you held up a sign that said "I am sorry for my government and do not support them!."?

Ehh....Hell Yeah!

Read the Sharia on how good muslims are supposed to take care of non believers. Christians and Jews were tolerated for about 100 years then they became expendable, before that they had no rights what so ever.

Atokal · Post by **Atokal** » June 23, 2004, 1:42 pm

Fesuni Chopsui wrote:
Niffoni wrote:It would be Texas =D

Seriously. Why call them hostages? If you're really holding someone hostage, you make more demands than "Can I borrow your camera for a minute?"
I don't really think they call them hostages...if I've read right, they call them infidels on all footage they can - the media are the ones that have labeled them hostages / hostage situations

after reading many of your posts it seems to me that you are justifying these attrocities due to the Collateral damage done by the US on Iraq civilians. Wake up man. In your own words these extremists call westerners and for that matter ALL people who are not muslims "Infidels".

Had the USA not invaded Iraq you would still have murders committed by these animals. Follow the bouncing ball.... THEY LOOK FOR REASONS to commit attrocities TO DRAW ATTENTION to the cause of the day. They seldom target military assets because they have an increased risk of being killed themselves AND KILLING INNOCENTS is more news worthy.

All of the people here that are saying they have some justification for this bullshit are naive and ignorant. THEY WOULD BE DOING THIS ANYHOW.

Reasons for terrorism change.

Support of Israel = terrorist attacks
Support of Saudi Arabia and Kuwait = terrorist attacks
Sharon and the Temple mount = terrorist attacks
Israels mere existance = terrorist attacks
Liberation of Afghanistan and war on terror = terrorist attacks

The root of the hatred does not change, these assholes are extremist that will LOOK for a cause or create one where one does not exist. Why? Because you are NOT muslim therefore you are an infidel.

They need an enemy and the USA just happens to be the best target at this time. Why were there no terrorist attacks on Soviet soil during their occupation of Afghanistan? (IIRC) Because the real hatred is directed towards the jew and the US population. Theirs is a system of hatred, intolerance and a devalued human life. How do you fight against such hatred?

Do you really believe it would stop if the USA and allies were to leave the region completely to its own devices?

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » June 23, 2004, 1:46 pm

Yeah I hate to say it, but nothing the US has done this century has resulted in the Arabic community as a whole singing our praises.

What is funny is that the same people protesting the first Gulf War in Jordan would have been cheering the US if Saddam had invaded them instead.

If someone has a solution to the Middle East, I would be glad to listen to them.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » June 23, 2004, 2:24 pm

Kylere wrote:Yeah I hate to say it, but nothing the US has done this century has resulted in the Arabic community as a whole singing our praises.

What is funny is that the same people protesting the first Gulf War in Jordan would have been cheering the US if Saddam had invaded them instead.

If someone has a solution to the Middle East, I would be glad to listen to them.

The only solutions is to keep trying. Like we are doing now. Trying to break it up a little bit. I don't think Terrorism will ever be defeated, only detered or delayed. These animals know nothing else. They aren't peaceful people trying to advance as a people through society. They live for war, terror, and their religious non-sense. I hate when Bush and his people say they will win the war, I would prefer he tell the truth about how this will help.

Trying to bring democracy and freedom to that region will allow people to be more informed and give them avenues they don't have under a oppresive dictatorship. What we are doing now is the right thing. It will help over the long term. I'm proud we have a President in there who was willing to put his political future on the line to do what is best for the future.

I'm sad more people lack the ability to look long term. The shallow selfish behavior on this boards by some people are indictative of way too many people in this world. It's very disheartening.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » June 23, 2004, 2:36 pm

how about leaving them the fuck alone? or are you morons still stuck on the whole "they hate us because were free!" idiocy?

HEAR ME OUT NOW! I know it sounds shocking to you because the united states has never and can never do no wrong, but when you spend several decades funding wars and arming militants to overthrow governments and then try and set up your own governments, and manipulating their economies so you can profit from their own natural resources, eventually the population is going to start getting pissed off.

oh wait I know. keep interfering with them. keep invading their countries and setting up your own puppet governments. keep dropping cruise missiles into their cities and eventually they will learn to enjoy it. yeah keep trying that, and then act all fucking shocked and hurt the next time they blow up one of your landmarks.

fucking morons.

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » June 23, 2004, 2:38 pm

While in the short run, all the rich buddies are getting richer on the war! Weeeh!

And wow.. that post by kyoukan actually was worth reading.

Bubba Grizz · Post by **Bubba Grizz** » June 23, 2004, 2:41 pm

You want less American deaths in Iraq? Then move the Americans out of Iraq. I know there is a lot more to what we are doing there but we are set to turn over power to the Iraqi new government. Let's give it back and leave. We can admit we fucked up and let the UN go in and fix things. Odds are we are going to have a new administration next year so they can blame everything on the current administration. We just need to get out.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » June 23, 2004, 2:48 pm

Our sole mission in the middle east is to give the oppressed women of the region more freedom and allow the less ugly ones to remove their veils.