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UCLA and Standford study on the question of media bias

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This was a fun read.

A couple of political science profs from UCLA and Stanford and the University of Chicago investigaged the claim that the news media has a liberal slant (or not).

http://mason.gmu.edu/~atabarro/MediaBias.doc
To compute our measure, we count the times that a media outlet cites various think tanks. We compare this with the times that members of Congress cite the same think tanks in their speeches on the floor of the House and Senate. By comparing the citation patterns we can construct an ADA score for each media outlet.
One of the most curious and surprising statistics in all of American politics is that an overwhelming number of journalists are liberal. For instance, Elaine Povich (1996) reports that only seven percent of all Washington correspondents voted for George Bush in 1992, compared to 37 percent of the American public. Lichter, Rothman and Lichter, (1986) and Weaver and Wilhoit (1996) report similar findings for earlier elections.
A large number of economic studies give theoretical reasons that bolster the view that the media does not have a systematic bias. (See xx, xx, xx and xx). The idea is that if there were a systematic bias, then an entrepreneur could form a new media outlet that does not have a bias. This outlet would drive the others out of business. This is a compelling argument, and even the libertarian Cato Journal has published an article agreeing with the view: In this article, the author, Daniel Sutter (2001), concludes that, although it might be possible for a systematic bias to exist in the network news (since, before cable television, there were strong barriers to entry in this industry), such a bias is impossible, or at least very unlikely, for the newspaper, radio, or magazine industry.
However, contrary to the views and evidence cited above, we find a significant liberal bias in our sample of media outlets. This presents a challenge to economic theorists. Given that there is a systematic liberal bias the news market, at least one of the assumptions in the above theoretical studies must be inaccurate.
We now compute the difference of a media outlet’s score from 39.0 to judge how centrist it is. Based on sentences as the level of observation (the results of which are listed in Table 8), the Drudge Report is the most centrist, Fox News’ Special Report is second, ABC World News Tonight is third, and CBS Evening is last.

Given that the conventional wisdom is that the Drudge Report and Fox News are conservative news outlets, this ordering might be surprising. Perhaps more surprising is the degree to which the “mainstream” press is liberal. The results of Table 8 show that the Los Angeles Times, the New York Times, USA Today, and CBS Evening News are not only liberal, they are closer to the average Democrat in Congress (who has a score of 74.1) than they are to the median of the whole House (who has a score of 39.0).

Another interesting fact concerns the following claim: “Although the New York Times and other media are liberal, they are balanced by conservative media outlets such as Fox News. Consequently, if one spent an equal amount of time watching Fox News and reading the New York Times, he or she would receive a fairly balanced view of the news.” However, Table 8 shows that this is not quite true. Since the New York Times is twice as far from the center as Fox News’ Special Report, to gain a balanced perspective, one would need to spend twice as much time watching Special Report as he or she spends reading the New York Times. (Further as we shall see in Table 9, when one uses citations as the level of observation, one would need to spend an even greater amount of time watching Special Report to gain a balanced perspective.)
Conclusion

Although we expected to find that most media lean left, we were astounded by the degree. A norm among journalists is to present “both sides of the issue.” Consequently, while we expected members of Congress to cite primarily think tanks that are on the same side of the ideological spectrum as they are, we expected journalists to practice a much more balanced citation practice, even if the journalist’s own ideology opposed the think tanks that he or she is sometimes citing. This was not always the case. Most of the mainstream media outlets that we examined (ie all those besides Drudge Report and Fox News’ Special Report) were closer to the average Democrat in Congress than they were to the median member of the House.

Our results contrast strongly with the prior expectations of many others. It is easy to find quotes from prominent journalists and academics who claim that there is no systematic bias among media outlets in the U.S. The following are some examples:
“Our greatest accomplishment as a profession is the development since World War II of a news reporting craft that is truly non-partisan, and non-ideological, and that strives to be independent of undue commercial or governmental influence....It is that legacy we must protect with our diligent stewardship. To do so means we must be aware of the energetic effort that is now underway to convince our readers that we are ideologues. It is an exercise of, in disinformation, of alarming proportions. This attempt to convince the audience of the world’s most ideology-free newspapers that they’re being subjected to agenda-driven news reflecting a liberal bias. I don’t believe our viewers and readers will be, in the long-run, misled by those who advocate biased journalism.”
– New York Times Executive Editor Howell Raines accepting the “George Beveridge Editor of the Year Award” at a National Press Foundation dinner shown live on C-SPAN2 February 20, 2003.

“…when it comes to free publicity, some of the major broadcast media are simply biased in favor of the Republicans, while the rest tend to blur differences between the parties. But that’s the way it is. Democrats should complain as loudly about the real conservative bias of the media as the Republicans complain about its entirely mythical bias…”
--Paul Krugman, “Into the Wilderness,” New York Times, November 8, 2002.


"The mainstream media does not have a liberal bias. . . . ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, the New York Times, The Washington Post, Time, Newsweek and the rest -- at least try to be fair."
--Al Franken. (2003, xx) Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them: A Fair and Balanced Look at the Right.

The main conclusion of our paper is that our results simply reject such claims.

MUCH more detail is found if you download the document and read it. It reads quickly and has more juicy tidbits.
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Interesting read. I think in order for most of the public to get an acurate view on a story without being mislead is to try to go to the source of the problem, or as close to it as we can. If not that then to look at all sides of the issue even if it means listening to crazy radio programs to get an idea of what each sides point.

Oh wait....That would never work today. People want thier news in 30 minutes. Society is screwed.
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But this cannot be true, gasp, must be propaganda spread by the obviously conservative people who work for UCLA.
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To compute our measure, we count the times that a media outlet cites various think tanks. We compare this with the times that members of Congress cite the same think tanks in their speeches on the floor of the House and Senate. By comparing the citation patterns we can construct an ADA score for each media outlet.
Is this a fair and accurate measure of media bias or a measure of think tank quality\prestige? Does the Drudge Report even cite think tanks?

You have to be seriously out to lunch if you believe Drudge and Fox are more moderate than some of the others listed.
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I saw this referenced elsewhere. Kind of interesting.

Personally though I think the whole issue of liberal media bias is increasingly a moot issue. There are just too many news sources now (covering the entire political spectrum). Even if the traditional news sources do have something of a bias, increasingly people aren't getting their news from them (or at least completely from them).
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heh, Bush's admin is fucking up the country and the world and his supporter's only defense is to blame the "liberal media"
Where was the "liberal media" during the clinton scandal, or the 2 week tribute to Ronald Regan on every single news source on earth?
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Umm the liberal media did cut Clinton a huge deal of slack, he is a guy who is the big promoter of womens rights, also pro choice and always pro feminism, and he is sticking cigars into the pussy of his interns. If Bush got caught doing the same, I think you would see the difference lol. If you think I am wrong, well that is your call, but I am not.

Drudge is more moderate than many news outlets, while rabid groups exist on both sides, the slant is overall towards liberal views, which makes the extremism less noticable.

As some who is now searching all media, looking for choices, it really sickens me just how little impartiality exists in the reporting we are subjected to each day.
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Of course most journalists are liberal. They know a shit load more than most people about what goes on around the world. The job of a journalists is to search out truth and to inform people about it. Perhaps truth has a "liberal slant". :wink:
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Because journalists are obviously more enlightened than us common people. We just don't know any better about the real world. It isn't the job of journalists to report the news, but rather to color the news so that we simpltons can understand it better in the scope of "proper" progressive thinking.

/gag elitism
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A good journalist is someone who recognises that he doesn't know better than the expert or witness he's interviewing.
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Adex_Xeda wrote:Because journalists are obviously more enlightened than us common people. We just don't know any better about the real world. It isn't the job of journalists to report the news, but rather to color the news so that we simpltons can understand it better in the scope of "proper" progressive thinking.

/gag elitism
You make them sound religious :p
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elitism, funny ...

"some people call you the elite. I call you my base" - GW Bush

I am skeptical of a study that treats Matt Drudge's webpage on par with ABC Nightly News as a news organization. The Drudge Report frequently and intentionally publishes knowingly false information.
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The accuracy of Drudge's gossip page isn't at issue.

This research paper took major news outlets and tried to gauge their balance via citation of left and right think tank references.

You can be gossip page and still be measured as moderate.
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Adex_Xeda wrote:Because journalists are obviously more enlightened than us common people. We just don't know any better about the real world. It isn't the job of journalists to report the news, but rather to color the news so that we simpltons can understand it better in the scope of "proper" progressive thinking.

/gag elitism
I dont know about elitism. Weather or not you are conservative, you KNOW that MOST, not all but MOST "conservatives" in this country are nothing but blind, ignorant, flat out stupid, racist, slightly imbred rednecks. Im not saying these categorys dont apply to some of those who consider themselves "liberal" as well, but kev made a good point about journalist, due to there profession they are obviously better informed on local and world issues then the average american, just like the average mechanic in alabama knows more about chevy trucks then your average journalist.
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Since when are journalists better educated?
Have you read the newspaper recently? CHecked the local newscasts? Have you seen the idioicy that spews forth from their lips?

Having taken a year in journalism classes, and seeing the people that passed them I'm almost tempted to say that your average journalist took to the field because they lacked the technical or general knowledge to do anything else.
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I disagree.

The average American is no fool.

The presumption by the liberals that Americans need to be baby-sitted is why they lose elections.


America is not strong because of "enlightened" elitists running the government.

America is strong because we provide wide freedoms for average people to excel.
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if they quoted more republican think tanks then every newspaper article would read "STUDY SHOWS ALL FAGS AND NIGGERS SHOULD GET AIDS AND DIE"

the media is generally further left because journalists are educated and deal with reality on a daily basis.
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Careful, you've come close to admitting that the media is slanted to the left.

Can't have that. :shock:
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The average American is no fool.
I disagree on that. The average American is incredible naive to what goes on in the world outside of their tiny little life, and way too many of them take whatever they are told for granted.
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And thus you have base separation between a conservative and a liberal.

There's more, but that's a big one.


Since you belive that most Americans are idiots, do you also belive that a journalist needs to color the story towards a liberal slant in a effort to help the watcher's understanding?
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Nope I don't, I would prefere reporting without ANY bias at all. I believe that a lot of people need a reality check and a kick in the ass though :)

Edit: Btw I am probably not as liberal as you might think I am.
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Kelshara wrote: Edit: Btw I am probably not as liberal as you might think I am.
You probably are more liberal than you think you are. :vv_moon:
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Adex_Xeda wrote:Careful, you've come close to admitting that the media is slanted to the left.

Can't have that. :shock:
No, it's more like I'm mocking you for your 10,000th fucking worthless "whaaah the media is biased to the left"thread.

Do you know how ridiculous you sound bitching about how far left the news media is when the biggest news network on television is so far to the right that the newscasters practically have to wear gestapo jackboots and white bedsheets over their heads? 3 of the 4 most popular shows on radio are all fucking white trash righties moaning and crying about how unfair life is (and clinton).

Just because normal, educated, non-moronic people that haven't been brainwashed by their local hicktown jesus brigade tend to be journalists is not indicative of this world wide leftist conspiracy to dominate the news that you keep fucking whining about. I know you feel that anyone not slobbering all over george bush's cock while ranting about salvation and how abortion is the devil's tool, and don't end every broadcast with "NINE ELEVEN, NEVER FORGET; NEVER FORGIVE!" means that the particular news agency is ultra liberal, but you are so fucking out of touch with the reality of how the planet works I am astonished on a near daily basis that you are even able to dress yourself without fred phelps coaching you with a bullhorn. wait a minute, you can dress yourself, can't you?
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Doubtful, although you and every post you make enforces my support for pro-choice.
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another fun fact i have come to realize in my half ass research to find the "liberal media conspiracy" by watching diffrent news sources every day

Most people who think the media is biased, find Fox News to be the most unbiased news source. That alone tells me something, while i will admit that say ABC is slightly more kind to the left, fox news is flat out propaganda, and should not qualify as news. CNN i find to be the most unbiased news source, although at times they do lean to the right, and to the left as well. NBC is also pretty good, although a few right and left leanings occasionally.
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Xzion wrote:another fun fact i have come to realize in my half ass research to find the "liberal media conspiracy" by watching diffrent news sources every day

Most people who think the media is biased, find Fox News to be the most unbiased news source. That alone tells me something, while i will admit that say ABC is slightly more kind to the left, fox news is flat out propaganda, and should not qualify as news. CNN i find to be the most unbiased news source, although at times they do lean to the right, and to the left as well. NBC is also pretty good, although a few right and left leanings occasionally.
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I think CNN is one of the better US news sources. While it does cater to the government (as all US media does) in censoring certain aspects of the news I find it swings both left and right depending on the show.

Crossfire can be damn funny at times.
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kyoukan wrote:
Adex_Xeda wrote:Careful, you've come close to admitting that the media is slanted to the left.

Can't have that. :shock:
No, it's more like I'm mocking you for your 10,000th fucking worthless "whaaah the media is biased to the left"thread.

Do you know how ridiculous you sound bitching about how far left the news media is when the biggest news network on television is so far to the right that the newscasters practically have to wear gestapo jackboots and white bedsheets over their heads? 3 of the 4 most popular shows on radio are all fucking white trash righties moaning and crying about how unfair life is (and clinton).

Just because normal, educated, non-moronic people that haven't been brainwashed by their local hicktown jesus brigade tend to be journalists is not indicative of this world wide leftist conspiracy to dominate the news that you keep fucking whining about. I know you feel that anyone not slobbering all over george bush's cock while ranting about salvation and how abortion is the devil's tool, and don't end every broadcast with "NINE ELEVEN, NEVER FORGET; NEVER FORGIVE!" means that the particular news agency is ultra liberal, but you are so fucking out of touch with the reality of how the planet works I am astonished on a near daily basis that you are even able to dress yourself without fred phelps coaching you with a bullhorn. wait a minute, you can dress yourself, can't you?

If you had read the report linked to you would realize just how utterly ignorant you sound here. They were not judging media bias'd based on conservative standards, they were basing it on a reportable statistic that directly releates to the issue at hand.

You know, your constant frothing at the mouth is making Midnyte look balanced and reserved.
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Post by Midnyte_Ragebringer »

kyoukan wrote:
Do you know how ridiculous you sound bitching about how far left the news media is
Ummmm do you know how stupid you look saying this on a thread about a report proving the media bias to the left? ROFL


Edit: Thanks Kylere.
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Xzion wrote:Most people who think the media is biased, find Fox News to be the most unbiased news source. That alone tells me something,
Frankly, most of the media i have access to leans to the left, at least in my opinion. It's probably the canadian thing. After all, our Liberal gov is running attack ads on the Conservative, and I swear to God this is a real attack ad, the examples of the "evils" of the Tories are:

1) Won't uphold a woman's right to choose
2) Don't want stricter gun laws
3) Are anti-gay marriage
4) Will fuck up the economy with tax cuts
5) Would have involved us in the Iraq war had they been in power
6) Want to privitize health care

And to most Canadians, that makes the Conserv. leader Harper sound pretty fucking scary. Whereas the Republicans could claim most of that list as accomplishments and be heroes.

But I gotta agree with Xzion here...

If this report states that they think FOX news is close to what a "centerist" news organization is, then it is fundamentally flawed, because they're using a real screwy scale. If FOX is the standard, then of course everything else appears to "lean to the left" of the center. I get a better picture of what's happening in the world from The Daily Show.

...Come to think of it, I get a better picture of what's happening in the world from the Daily Show than I do from most leftist news shows too.

EDIT: Oh, by the way, more funny canadian liberal stuff... All of the major parties in Canada have an "original" theme song this year (yes, we have an election in a few weeks. I'm sure you all know about it!), and the Libs paid some dude an assload of money to write one. Well, many people are now pointing out that it sounds suspiciously like "You Get What You Give" by the New Radicals with the vocal track replaced...
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The question an intelligent person asks themselves when they read a report like this is, "Perhaps my views are being shaped on issues by the choice of information media I choose, I should take this into consideration"

The Ignorant say, "Well that is all bullshit I know my newsmedia are right, and only this that or the otherthing is the reason you are all dumbases"
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I disagree on that. The average American is incredible naive to what goes on in the world outside of their tiny little life, and way too many of them take whatever they are told for granted.
I think if you replace "American" with "human," you'd still have a pretty accurate sentence.
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Perhaps I missed something, but no where did I read that Fox was the standard, merely that it was the major news agency that scored closest to the standard established through their empirical research.

Feel free to debate the foundation of that research, but at least get the results straight!
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To call this proof of a liberal bias is stupid. You need to quantify several of the main items being used to establish this correlation between politicians and media companies.

For instance if there are more conservative think tanks than liberal think tanks then the odds of a correlation will be stronger on the liberal side.

If a nazi media company rarely cites think tanks then they will score as moderate.

If nazi politicians rarely cite think tanks then then all nazi media will score as moderate regardless of if nazi media cites think tanks or not.
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The study acknolodges that the Rand corporation scores more to the left than it actually is due to many of the conservative studies are classified military studies which of course won't be quoted very often while democratic studies are often dealing with domestic issues.

The study does prove that liberal think tanks are cited more than conservative think tanks. Is this due to the media being liberals or is it due to the nature of conservative studies as is the case with the Rand noted above. Every media company including even Fox cites more liberal think tanks than it does Conservative think tanks.

PS. Drudge being in the study is stupid. He has never cited a think tank. They used citations in the articles he links to for his dataset.
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Post by Adex_Xeda »

I'm not sure you asked me a question or not Kyo, but I'll assume you did.

I don't think there is any liberal conspiracy. I think news agencies try their best to be professional. When you get a lot of people thinking the same way and have them produce something, that group bias is bound to slip into their work.

The report I cited tried an novel method to measure such a bias in various media outlets.
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Errmmmm ok did you understand the rationale for calculating the ADA scores the way they did?...

Neither did I...

You present this article as "fact" based upon the reputation of the 2 universities at which the 2 students matriculate?...How was this research responded to by peers in their field? Was it published?

You need to be more critical of where your facts come from...The problem with a "novel" approach is, it is often simply wrong...

You are quoting an article from a random student's webpage as if it were widely accepted truth...funny the majority of the field doesn't agree with their conclusions...

Might they be right? sure...Does this article prove anything...not at all...

Hell I'm quite good with stats/research methods in social science and the article is largely gibberish to me...This is a piece of specialist research...unless you can show me the lauds of all their peers at developing a great new means of measuring percieved bias..I choose to be sceptical of their methodology....
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Also don't forget that "omg liberal" in the US equates with "moderate" in most of the rest of the world.
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Arborealus wrote: You are quoting an article from a random student's webpage as if it were widely accepted truth

I'm comfortable calling these guys experts.

http://faculty-gsb.stanford.edu/grosecl ... hy%20J.htm

http://harrisschool.uchicago.edu/facult ... lyo_cv.pdf



But if you have a gripe Arb, please tell us how you think their method is flawed? Perhaps you could email those two doctor types with decades of experience and tell them where they are in error?


I'm just teasing Arb.
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Adex_Xeda wrote:
Arborealus wrote: You are quoting an article from a random student's webpage as if it were widely accepted truth

I'm comfortable calling these guys experts.

http://faculty-gsb.stanford.edu/grosecl ... hy%20J.htm

http://harrisschool.uchicago.edu/facult ... lyo_cv.pdf



But if you have a gripe Arb, please tell us how you think their method is flawed? Perhaps you could email those two doctor types with decades of experience and tell them where they are in error?


I'm just teasing Arb.
PhD's can and do make mistakes on a regular basis...that they are more expert than I in that field is apparent...that doesn't however make their logic, methodology or conclusions correct...

I'll let their peers do that...thats why scientific research is peer reviewed...:)

This is also why most contemporary statements of The Scientific Method say "independently verifiable in principle"...much contemporary research is indecipherable except by an expert in that specific field...and specificity in field means not people in the same science, but people who research the same stuff...8)
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So Arbor, are you claiming this was politically motivated and has no factual worth?
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Kylere wrote:So Arbor, are you claiming this was politically motivated and has no factual worth?
Did I say anything remotely resembling that?

In point of fact I would bet their motivation was to get published...which is most academic's agendas...I have no idea what these fellow politics are...
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Though i will say that it seems to me the press seems more liberal during conservative admins and more conservative during liberal admins because they tend to question the Status Quo...which seems to me largely a good thing...I simply don't see systematic systemic bias except towards generating ratings at the expense of perspective...
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Do you dispute their findings?

If so do you dispute their method?

If so what in their method should be improved?
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While it is a given that academics in this country suffer from pulish or perish attitudes, I cannot find big holes in their logic, but I agree with earlier posts that they should not have even bothered with online rags, because they rarely create news, they merely cut and paste or link it.

I just do not think UCLA or Stanford are hotbeds of conservative though who would produce a report biased against liberalism. Universities by their nature tend to be liberal not conservative. I have a feeling their methodology could be questioned, but not their findings.
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Adex_Xeda wrote:Do you dispute their findings?

If so do you dispute their method?

If so what in their method should be improved?
Ummmm I do not dispute them at all...I dispute a the presentation of the article as fact in the absence of capable reviewers of methodology...Again, what do the bulk of people who do this sort of research think of their methodology...Those are really odd manipulations of statistics...

It is easy to make statistics say anything you like...that does not mean the method used is reasonable...or that the results have any validity...

In essence I am saying that while I understand their hypothesis and conclusion, I have no way of verifying that the methods they used to derive these conclusions have any validity whatsoever...And I would venture that no one else here understands their statistical manipulations and weighting schemes...
I have a feeling their methodology could be questioned, but not their findings.
Ummm if their methodology is flawed then their findings are invalid...which is not to say their hypothesis is incorrect but that it is not proven to be correct...
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So basically you have no relevant point to make, other than to use a lot of words to make it sound like you know what you're talking about? Thanks for clearing that up.
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So basically you are too dumb to understand what he's saying. Thanks for clearing that up.
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I dispute their findings because they are making sweeping conclusions based on examination of ONE variable that is not present in even 50% of reported news stories.
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