Another hostage beheaded

Zamtuk · Post by **Zamtuk** » June 18, 2004, 2:43 pm

Report: U.S. hostage beheaded
Al Arabiya says new video shows killing
Friday, June 18, 2004 Posted: 1:41 PM EDT (1741 GMT)

(CNN) -- An Arabic TV news network said Friday that American hostage Paul Johnson Jr. has been beheaded by his Saudi captors.

Al Arabiya said its bureau chief had been shown the video of the killing.

Earlier Friday, Al Arabiya had aired an emotional statement from the wife of Johnson.

Johnson's wife, Noom, who is Thai, said she hoped the Saudi government "can help my husband."

U.S. and Saudi investigators concluded an intensive meeting Friday, Saudi officials said, as security forces spread all over the kingdom searching for Johnson.

Johnson, 49, a Lockheed Martin Corp. employee, had been kidnapped Saturday in the Saudi capital of Riyadh. He helped maintain U.S.-built Apache helicopter gunships for the Saudi military.

Johnson's captors had threatened to kill him by Friday unless the Saudi government releases al Qaeda prisoners and Westerners leave the Arabian Peninsula.

Abdel Aziz al-Muqrin , the self-proclaimed military leader of al Qaeda in Saudi Arabia, claimed responsibility for Johnson's kidnapping and the death of another American on the same day on behalf of a group called the Al Falluja Squadron, which says it has ties to al Qaeda.

The State Department has urged all Americans to leave Saudi Arabia, but Johnson's sister, Donna Mayeux, said her brother "always felt safe in Saudi Arabia."

"My brother is an honorable man," she said. "He has always treated people with dignity and respect."

Seems to be all the rave in the middle east now =/

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » June 18, 2004, 2:45 pm

Fucking monsters.

Akaran_D · Post by **Akaran_D** » June 18, 2004, 2:48 pm

It does make a statement.
"We'll do unto you what we've done unto ourselves for thousands of years if you crosss our paths."

Lynks · Post by **Lynks** » June 18, 2004, 3:10 pm

Speaking of fucking animals...

http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/ ... 18341.html

I feel bad for Johnson and his familly, if it is true what they are saying, I wouldn't of thought it would of been as soon as Friday hits. My guess was friday evening or something like that.

noel · Post by **noel** » June 18, 2004, 3:16 pm

Though I feel bad for Johnson and his family...

It is the epitomy of STUPIDITY to be a non-military American in Iraq for ANY reason. Period.

I defy anyone to argue that point.

It is only slightly less stupid that we're wasting our military personnel in that country.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » June 18, 2004, 3:16 pm

Lynks wrote:Speaking of fucking animals...

http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/ ... 18341.html

I feel bad for Johnson and his familly, if it is true what they are saying, I wouldn't of thought it would of been as soon as Friday hits. My guess was friday evening or something like that.

Boy you don't miss an attempt to bash do you?

This was one crazy guy. The terrorists are an organized group. It is their standard practice do burn, dismember, behead. It is not our standard practice asshole.

Adex_Xeda · Post by **Adex_Xeda** » June 18, 2004, 3:25 pm

Focus on the guy's choice to stay and support our military personal rather than focus on the fact that he was beheaded by thugs?

How twisted...

Fredonia Coldheart · Post by **Fredonia Coldheart** » June 18, 2004, 3:25 pm

noel wrote:Though I feel bad for Johnson and his family...

It is the epitomy of STUPIDITY to be a non-military American in Iraq for ANY reason. Period.

I defy anyone to argue that point.

It is only slightly less stupid that we're wasting our military personnel in that country.

Except for the fact that he was kidnapped from Riyadh - the capital of Saudi Arabia. He was actually working for the Saudi military.

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » June 18, 2004, 3:27 pm

Adex_Xeda wrote:Focus on the guy's choice to stay and support our military personal rather than focus on the fact that he was beheaded by thugs?

How twisted...

He didn't. He supported the Saudi military.

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » June 18, 2004, 3:39 pm

Kind of funny you can justify this, you are all beyond help.

noel · Post by **noel** » June 18, 2004, 3:40 pm

Fredonia Coldheart wrote:Except for the fact that he was kidnapped from Riyadh - the capital of Saudi Arabia. He was actually working for the Saudi military.

Ahh thanks for that info. I'd say the statement still stands. If you're an American in that part of the world, you're basically risking your life right now due to your current governments foreign policy.

noel · Post by **noel** » June 18, 2004, 3:48 pm

Cartalas wrote:Kind of funny you can justify this, you are all beyond help.

Who the fuck do you see justifying this? Let me clue you in on something... EVERYONE thinks the action is deplorable, reprehensible, and beyond belief. But this action didn't happen for no reason at all. That group of terrorist assholes didn't just wake up one morning and say, "I think we should behead an American today." These assholes are fighting back against their governements, the UN, and the US foreign policies the only way they feel they can.

The war on terror is in my opinion a good thing. Pissing off almost every middle-eastern country on a daily basis because of our invasion in Iraq is a bad thing. It continually polarizes the Middle-East against us, and garners support for these fuckheads.

But for fuck's sake, don't act like an understanding of why this happened is an endorsement. The US government put its citizens in this position, and has no way to defend them from incidents like this. If you are an American in the middle east right now, you are at risk. Period.

Edit: And another thing... (I'm fucking pissed off right now)... Two civilians were beheaded. Do you think someone being killed by beheading is actually worse than when our soldiers are killed by a gunshot, booby-trap, explosion, etc. ? IT'S NOT. It doesn't matter how they're being killed it's equally tragic. Sure you can make the argument that at least the soldier signed up for it and knew what they were getting into whereas these are just citizens, but I will say it again. THE US GOVERNMENT through it's foreign policies for the last few administrations is the entity that has escalated it to this point. The blood is on the hands of these assholes, but WE are the ones that pushed them to this level of desperation.

Jice Virago · Post by **Jice Virago** » June 18, 2004, 3:48 pm

After the prisoner scandle thing, I think we are going to see a lot more things like this. There really isn't much the local arabic governments friendly to us can do, given the general animosity the prisoner abuse thing caused. Things are going to get ugly there, like Isreal/Palistine ugly.

Not to defend Aranuil, but anyone who works over in the Mid East, especially now in the current climate, is taking a huge risk. That does not justify what happened to this guy, but it is true.

Drasta · Post by **Drasta** » June 18, 2004, 3:51 pm

lockheed is like an hr down the road from me

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » June 18, 2004, 4:00 pm

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:
Lynks wrote:Speaking of fucking animals...

http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/ ... 18341.html

I feel bad for Johnson and his familly, if it is true what they are saying, I wouldn't of thought it would of been as soon as Friday hits. My guess was friday evening or something like that.
Boy you don't miss an attempt to bash do you?

This was one crazy guy. The terrorists are an organized group. It is their standard practice do burn, dismember, behead. It is not our standard practice asshole.

ROFL. If you read the article you'd see that the beheading was done by a group with ties to Terrorism.

article wrote:Abdel Aziz al-Muqrin , the self-proclaimed military leader of al Qaeda in Saudi Arabia, claimed responsibility for Johnson's kidnapping and the death of another American on the same day on behalf of a group called the Al Falluja Squadron, which says it has ties to al Qaeda.

This is exactly like the story as Lynks posted. One person with a small band of followers that think they are higher than the law taking it out on the focus of their personal hatreds. The only difference is that the american is gonna get a trial and be sent to jail whereas if this guy is ever seen, he will likely be killed on the spot

Niffoni · Post by **Niffoni** » June 18, 2004, 4:17 pm

It's been a right shitty day for news. Even in Canada where (this may surprise some americans) not every "news" story is about murder in rape, the only 3 headlines today besides this one are regarding a mountie who sexually assaulted a woman, some lady going to jail for molesting her kids, and the result of the trial of the Ontario man who raped and dismembered a little girl last year. TGIF

BTW, neither of the americans killed in this manner were "beheaded", as the jackoffs responsible didn't follow what is apparently the proper way of perfoming such a ritual. They just went at the neck with sharp stuff. At least, that's what I heard on CBC.

The terrorists aren't just assholes, they're idiots too. They seem to think that these random acts of murder are somehow aiding their cause. They're only pushing themselves further into the fringe of their culture. At least the 9/11 attacks made them look like a legit, even military movement. Now they're just dicks with guns.

Mid, how in the seven hells was Lynks' post a bash of anything? O_o Your points usually have some value to them, but sometimes I'm stumped as to wtf you're talking about.

Wulfran · Post by **Wulfran** » June 18, 2004, 4:27 pm

The State Department has urged all Americans to leave Saudi Arabia, but Johnson's sister, Donna Mayeux, said her brother "always felt safe in Saudi Arabia."

I agree with Aranuil on this. The State Department has told Americans to get out of the area. The Canadian Dept of Foreign Affairs has said the same thing to us. Undoubtedly other western countries have given the same warning to their citizens. Personal feelings on the matter mean exactly sweet fuck all. I feel bad for the guy's family but a white civilian westerner staying in the region is about as smart as smoking as you gas up your car...

noel · Post by **noel** » June 18, 2004, 4:31 pm

Oh I want to clarify a misconception that some of you might have. I am not putting all of this on the shoulders of the current Bush administration. The last three administrations have had horrible foreign policies where the middle-East has been concerned.

As an American, I'm sick and fucking tired of voting in elections where the choices are 'bad' and 'bad'. It would be nice to see a decent fucking candidate once in a while.

Atokal · Post by **Atokal** » June 18, 2004, 4:33 pm

noel wrote:Though I feel bad for Johnson and his family...

It is the epitomy of STUPIDITY to be a non-military American in Iraq for ANY reason. Period.

I defy anyone to argue that point.

It is only slightly less stupid that we're wasting our military personnel in that country.

The ignorance and backpeddling begin...

noel wrote:
Fredonia Coldheart wrote:Except for the fact that he was kidnapped from Riyadh - the capital of Saudi Arabia. He was actually working for the Saudi military.
Ahh thanks for that info. I'd say the statement still stands. If you're an American in that part of the world, you're basically risking your life right now due to your current governments foreign policy.

now back to your regularly scheduled idiocy...

noel wrote:
Cartalas wrote:Kind of funny you can justify this, you are all beyond help.
The war on terror is in my opinion a good thing. Pissing off almost every middle-eastern country on a daily basis because of our invasion in Iraq is a bad thing. It continually polarizes the Middle-East against us, and garners support for these fuckheads.

The war on terror is a good thing... just don't piss anyone off while fighting it because well you could fight a "nice" war where everyone loves you... right?

Shaddap dickhead. Regurgitation of Kyoukans philosophies does not make you look intelligent.

Bottom line here is that in spite of the BS going on in Iraq people should feel safe in Saudi Arabia. Remember when the WTC's were dropped and aside from a few very isolated incidents I don't recall any Americans kidnapping any people of Mid East descent and beheading them. The only weapon these assholes really have is surrender, compliance and the rebuilding of a country in a democratic way. HELL LETS GIVE PEACE A CHANCE.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » June 18, 2004, 4:35 pm

Unless my company valued me enough to provide 24/7 bodyguards, there is no fucking way I would work in the middle east.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » June 18, 2004, 4:37 pm

masteen wrote:Unless my company valued me enough to provide 24/7 bodyguards, there is no fucking way I would work in the middle east.

i think the guys who got burned and dragged through Fallujah were bodyguards....so i dont think i'd go even in that instance.

i have thought about whether i would go in the past, as my company does "do business" in Iraq. My answer is about 180 degrees different today than it would have been this time last year.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » June 18, 2004, 4:38 pm

Drasta wrote:lockheed is like an hr down the road from me

omg its like 15 mins UP hte road from me!

Vetiria · Post by **Vetiria** » June 18, 2004, 4:43 pm

Atokal wrote:Bottom line here is that in spite of the BS going on in Iraq people should feel safe in Saudi Arabia. Remember when the WTC's were dropped and aside from a few very isolated incidents I don't recall any Americans kidnapping any people of Mid East descent and beheading them.

You're right. They were only shot.

noel · Post by **noel** » June 18, 2004, 4:44 pm

Atokal wrote:
noel wrote:
Cartalas wrote:Kind of funny you can justify this, you are all beyond help.
The war on terror is in my opinion a good thing. Pissing off almost every middle-eastern country on a daily basis because of our invasion in Iraq is a bad thing. It continually polarizes the Middle-East against us, and garners support for these fuckheads.
The war on terror is a good thing... just don't piss anyone off while fighting it because well you could fight a "nice" war where everyone loves you... right?

Shaddap dickhead. Regurgitation of Kyoukans philosophies does not make you look intelligent.

Bottom line here is that in spite of the BS going on in Iraq people should feel safe in Saudi Arabia. Remember when the WTC's were dropped and aside from a few very isolated incidents I don't recall any Americans kidnapping any people of Mid East descent and beheading them. The only weapon these assholes really have is surrender, compliance and the rebuilding of a country in a democratic way. HELL LETS GIVE PEACE A CHANCE.

Ignorance? Yeah sorry I can't take the time to closely follow the story of every single American dumb enough to be 'feeling safe' in the middle-east and getting captured by terrorists. I'll try to take more time out of my real life to do that for you Jeffrey.

As far as my 'War on Terror' comments, here's a newsflash for you. The countries in the middle-East != the terrorists in the middle east. Sure some of the terrorists are probably given aide and sanctuary by some of the middle-eastern goverments, but gee it's looking less and less like Iraq was one of those governments. We can piss off the terrorists all day long, and that's fine by me, but pissing off the entire populace of the middle-east is only going to create... wait for it... MORE TERRORISTS and the more innocent arabs/persians that die at our hands, the more sympathy that's going to be generated for the real terrorists.

The war on Terror should have been satellites and ground assets identifying terrorist camps, and covert operators/surgical strikes hitting the camps and destroying them. The number of innocents that have died on the US side, and on the Iraqi side at this point were avoidable and unecessary. The war on terror and the war in Iraq are two completely different things. While the war on terror might have taken us covertly into Iraq, we didn't need to invade the entire country.

As far as me regurgitating Kyoukan, dream on. I haven't read any of her posts in quite a while and don't really give a fuck what she's saying as I speak for myself and myself alone. Don't presume you're smart enough to know what I'm thinking you've proven every time you've attempted to flame me that you're not.

Knibble · Post by **Knibble** » June 18, 2004, 4:51 pm

God rest his soul.I feel bad for his family members

http://www.homestead.com/prosites-prs/index.html *NWS (Gore)*

Bubba Grizz · Post by **Bubba Grizz** » June 18, 2004, 5:02 pm

noel wrote:As an American, I'm sick and fucking tired of voting in elections where the choices are 'bad' and 'bad'. It would be nice to see a decent fucking candidate once in a while.

I'm afraid that the next time we see a candidate we all love it will be the Anti-Christ.

Arilain · Post by **Arilain** » June 18, 2004, 6:50 pm

Just some facts here guys.

Johnson worked for the Saudi's Apaches via contract with Lockheed. he didn't work on US planes.

Johnson had made statements condemning the US policy in Iraq.

Johnson was currently converting to Islam before his death.

he lived in Saudi Arabia.

All of these facts are in all the major news channels about the man and on Saudi TV.

I hope the bastards that did this burn in hell.

Wish I could re-enlist

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » June 18, 2004, 6:59 pm

Wish you could too!

Niffoni · Post by **Niffoni** » June 18, 2004, 8:40 pm

oh, by the way, he's not a hostage if the only reason he's being kept alive is because they're waiting for somebody to get the camera.

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » June 18, 2004, 8:53 pm

What the hell has been up your ass Dregor? You have been acting like a left wing fuckwit for the last couple months. I wish you would get off your useless ass and go run for office so you can change the world. You would be lucky to get elected president of your burger flipping class for the McDonalds you work at.

Give it a rest with the death wishes lefty.

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » June 18, 2004, 8:55 pm

Bubba Grizz wrote:
noel wrote:As an American, I'm sick and fucking tired of voting in elections where the choices are 'bad' and 'bad'. It would be nice to see a decent fucking candidate once in a while.
I'm afraid that the next time we see a candidate we all love it will be the Anti-Christ.

Bubba this is scary on a few levels, you thinking like a Christian, you thinking in an insightful way, and your icon not being next to boobies.

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » June 18, 2004, 8:58 pm

Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:What the hell has been up your ass Dregor? You have been acting like a left wing fuckwit for the last couple months. I wish you would get off your useless ass and go run for office so you can change the world. You would be lucky to get elected president of your burger flipping class for the McDonalds you work at.

Give it a rest with the death wishes lefty.

Your comment has been read and we thank you for your opinions. Now please go choke on your fathers cock.

I'm Cartalas'ing threads!

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » June 18, 2004, 8:59 pm

noel wrote:Though I feel bad for Johnson and his family...

It is the epitomy of STUPIDITY to be a non-military American in Iraq for ANY reason. Period.

I defy anyone to argue that point.

It is only slightly less stupid that we're wasting our military personnel in that country.

I disagree, if i was in a position where i needed the money to support my family and that was one of my only options, i would do it. Of course you would be taking a risk, just like you take a risk to get in your car and go to work, hoping you wont die in a car accident. Although you can face harsh and bitter consequenses, there are only about a dozen similar incidenses. Out of all the unfortunate murders such as those of Berg and Johnson, there are hundreds of contractors who are comming home from Iraq after year or a few months of work, getting the money they need to support themselves and there children/families.

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » June 18, 2004, 9:13 pm

And while I am riled up.....let me tell you why Bush and the U.S. are doing whatever they want in the Middle East. Because they can. Sit and stew on that one. In 3 months, Bush and the war machine might just roll into Syria or Libya and start giving those fuckers a steel shampoo.....because they can.

The thing that makes it all sweeter is that liberals today have turned into such pussies that all they can do is sit around their house stuffing ho-hos down their necks and whine on message boards......hence the liberal slant here.

Back in the 60's and 70's they at least made an effort to get out and be heard with protests, sit ins etc. I don't think you all could carry enough Doritos and Mountain Dew to last you a half hour at a protest.

I almost hope that Bush does fuck with Libya if he knows he is on his way out. The amount of crying from here will rattle teh intarnet. the beauty is that you will still be sitting in your room and won't do a damn thing but whine.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » June 18, 2004, 9:21 pm

why you sit in your room and flex your e-cock over how bad ass your country, and therefore (in your own head) yourself, is?

kay

I don't see any righties in this forum or any other that do much more than cheerlead their violent and militaristic government every time they bomb another mosque.

by the way, people used to protest back before the bush administration when protesting wasn't delegated to designated free speech zones 40 miles away from anything important, and enforced by federal law enforcement officials.

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » June 18, 2004, 9:30 pm

I am not the one asking for the big change....i am not whining about how we should not be over there. There isn't a fucking thing I or any righty should be protesting. If we had sat on our thumbs after 9/11 and had some dipshit Democrat who didn't do anything about it....then I probably would have been active in whatever way I could.

I don't need to flex any cock...e or otherwise. The U.S. military is the top in the world. However, they have absolutely no bearing on the point I was putting forth. The military has ZERO say in where they are going. They are put there by the elected officials.

Have you ever donated your time or money to a campaign of someone you believed in? Have any of you who are complaining sent even a single dollar bill or spent 30 seconds of your time in supporting a candidate that would get rid of someone you despise so much as Bush?

There are hundreds of ways to be active in geting a change made. the simple fact is that you all would rather bitch about it on an EQ message board than actually make any effort to enact a change.

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » June 18, 2004, 9:54 pm

Dregor Thule wrote:Wish you could too!

Nice one sentence post!

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » June 18, 2004, 9:55 pm

kyoukan wrote:why you sit in your room and flex your e-cock over how bad ass your country, and therefore (in your own head) yourself, is?

kay

I don't see any righties in this forum or any other that do much more than cheerlead their violent and militaristic government every time they bomb another mosque.

by the way, people used to protest back before the bush administration when protesting wasn't delegated to designated free speech zones 40 miles away from anything important, and enforced by federal law enforcement officials.

I dont see you fighting the good fight!!! I dont see you picking up anything and fighting for the. So kindly STFU.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » June 18, 2004, 10:03 pm

christ all mighty; didn't your fucking faggot ass get banned yet?

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » June 18, 2004, 10:05 pm

kyoukan wrote:christ all mighty; didn't your fucking faggot ass get banned yet?

Thought I was on ignore I guess your a liar among other things.

Jice Virago · Post by **Jice Virago** » June 18, 2004, 10:17 pm

Bush had a blank check thanks to the 9/11 attacks and he ran with it farther than anyone would imagine. He also polarized things and whipped most of the dissenters in his own party into line. Thanks to the patriot act and a number of revised federal laws regarding public assembly (some, admittedly, the direct result of that shit that happened in Seattle over the WTO), the avenues of uncensored public outcry are now limited to the few independant radio statsions left, books, and the internet. Mind you, GW is working hard to limit those avenues of expression as well.

The internet is currently the most insulated from neocon influence. I would also submit that most socially conservative arguments do not bear well under the test of logic, and that your average red neck party line towing bible thumper is ill equipped socially and intellectually to defend their viewpoints. It is certainly difficult to do when the reasoning behind a particular action is either flawed or based on falsehoods, such as why we invaded Iraq.

Ironically, you have given the one true conservative answer as to why we invaded Iraq; because we can. World wide sympathy for the 9/11 attacks was exploited by the GW Corperation to get away with an unrelated invasion and elimination of a valid (if savage) sovereign government that we ourselves put in there in the first place, if indirectly. There is no way those evil fuckers in the white house and administration (all millionaires with no military experience) would have even dreamed of trying this shit if 9/11 had never occured. I would go as far as to say that 9/11 is the single best thing that could have happened to the Bush administration, because it gave him a blank check to do whatever the fuck he wanted, both domestically and abroad.

What has this supposedly great man done with this? We have gone from the highest world opinion in the history of our nation and the lowest deficit since pre Reagan years, to the worst diplomatic standing we have EVER had and the largest deficit EVER with absolute certainty that both situations are going to get far worse before they have any chance to improve. In the midst of trying to supposedly win over the arabic world, we have been caught red handed in blatant violations of the Geneva Conventions severe enough to churn most peoples stomachs and the man directly responsible is most outraged not about the content of the photos, but the fact that they were released? It comes down to who is the more enlightened society and wether or not the ends justify the means. Is the US about power, or are we about idealism?

Well, I am a socially liberal, but I am also a fiscal conservative. Bush is about as far apart from my views as any man could be, short of him giving his next State of the Union in a KKK sheet and demanding the repeal of the Law of Gravity because it doesn't fit into his religious views of morality. Bitch all you want about Slick Willy (and the man had many flaws), but getting Fleetwood Mac to reunite was a far bigger accomplishment than anything GW has pulled off so far, unless you count making all of his fat cat texas palls (who pulled strings to make him the second president to lose the popular vote to be elected) even more mind numbingly rich. Give me a pussy sniffer over a coke sniffer any day of the week. No wonder you insulated fuckers heap so much praise on Reagan, the shit GW caused makes the world during the Reagan years seem more stable and favorable, bad haircuts and all.

Swiiter · Post by **Swiiter** » June 19, 2004, 3:06 am

I never post in this forum since I know it's just a breeding ground for bi-partisan rhetoric, but sometimes the way you guys talk in this forum scares me a bit. It was tragic what happened to this guy, it's tragic what happening to the iraqi's that are getting family members killed based on heresay by our government, but seriously, by dismissing ones death based on your party affiliation (to an extent some of you act as if these civillians deserve to die) is ludicrous.

For a back story, I'm broke, and need money badly. I had a chance to go to Iraq as a contractor and make a hell of a lot of money doing it. I just realized money isn't everything. If I had kids, however, at this point I would've gone in a heartbeat. It would be well worth it in my opnion to risk my life to better my child's and I'm sure a lot of these contractors feel the same way and are WELL aware of the risks. I know there's a reason this is happening due to bad decisions in our government, but deeming their deaths deserved or the result of an act of stupidity is rediculous. However, on the flipside, ignoring all the civilian deaths in Iraq is rediculous as well. NEITHER deserve to have lost their lives.

It's a sad age we live in, but desensitizing yourself to any type of human rights violation just aids in the problem, not the solution. I know this is flamevault, but seriously have some heart sometimes.

p.s. this is not just a response to this thread, but to this whole forum in general.

Sirton · Post by **Sirton** » June 19, 2004, 4:14 am

My only thing...is we were saturated with stuff that happened in the prisons....You couldnt turn on the TV without seeing some gross ass pictures and negative stuff said about the US....It was like the media was having a wet dream.

Now on these beheadings and hanging people on fire from bridges you can barely find anything anywhere except on some psycopath site like ogrish.com ... Why are they hiding these images from us...Its like you cant even see images of what happened on 9/11 anymore...All you see is words and then some snipe at the Bush administration....But anything some few of us may do to them it will be plastured everywhere....I just dont like the censorship in anyway....We should see and feel the impact of what type of people we are facing and also see what craps we got on ourside too like those prison guards.

Atokal · Post by **Atokal** » June 19, 2004, 4:34 am

noel wrote:
Atokal wrote: The war on terror is a good thing... just don't piss anyone off while fighting it because well you could fight a "nice" war where everyone loves you... right?

The only weapon these assholes really have is surrender, compliance and the rebuilding of a country in a democratic way. HELL LETS GIVE PEACE A CHANCE.
Ignorance? Yeah
As far as my 'War on Terror' comments, here's a newsflash for you. The countries in the middle-East != the terrorists in the middle east. Sure some of the terrorists are probably given aide and sanctuary by some of the middle-eastern goverments, but gee it's looking less and less like Iraq was one of those governments. We can piss off the terrorists all day long, and that's fine by me, but pissing off the entire populace of the middle-east is only going to create... wait for it... MORE TERRORISTS and the more innocent arabs/persians that die at our hands, the more sympathy that's going to be generated for the real terrorists.

The war on Terror should have been satellites and ground assets identifying terrorist camps, and covert operators/surgical strikes hitting the camps and destroying them. The number of innocents that have died on the US side, and on the Iraqi side at this point were avoidable and unecessary. The war on terror and the war in Iraq are two completely different things. While the war on terror might have taken us covertly into Iraq, we didn't need to invade the entire country.

As far as me regurgitating Kyoukan, dream on. I haven't read any of her posts in quite a while and don't really give a fuck what she's saying as I speak for myself and myself alone. Don't presume you're smart enough to know what I'm thinking you've proven every time you've attempted to flame me that you're not.

{Jerry Seinfeld voice on} Listen Newman err Noel... surgical strikes, satellites and ground assets? Try and focus, zone in on what I am about to tell you... Attack terrorists on any soil and you will piss off the muslim world. Attack terrorists on any soil and you will spawn more terrorists. Attack terrorists on any soil and they flee to surrounding countries.

So using your war model the USA and allies should be committing resources to every fucking neighbouring country to Iraq. I still like the way I read your earlier statements (paraphrased) LETS FIGHT A NICE WAR ON TERROR THAT SHOULD STOP THEM

You remain stupid, ignorant and irrelevant. Noel

Cheers

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » June 19, 2004, 8:59 am

Attack terrorists on any soil and you will spawn more terrorists. Attack terrorists on any soil and they flee to surrounding countries.

So you favor leaving them alone? Shall we just hope there isn't a next 9/11? You prefer we cower. Clean up the mess from 9/11. Have everyone in the administration at the time fired because they should have known this would happen. But, let's not do anything to try and prevent another 9/11. If we just leave them alone they won't hurt us.

Yeah, too many on this board feel that way. Go to France. We don't play that way in America. We make the rules. We take our future into our own hands. We don't cower.

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » June 19, 2004, 9:35 am

What I'm really curious about is if the government really thinks this "war on terrorism" will really have any impact or the entire thing is just a cynical smoke screen for cleaning house in the mid-east.

I mean really, how long have Israel and Palestine been bombing the shit out of each other? Do you really think it's working?

The only way you're going to kill off muslim terrorists is via genocide...

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » June 19, 2004, 9:37 am

how about you examine why they are pissed off enough to kill themselves just to harm people from your country and go from there?

oh yeah that's right it is only because they are mad men who are jealous of your liberty .

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » June 19, 2004, 9:43 am

kyoukan wrote:how about you examine why they are pissed off enough to kill themselves just to harm people from your country and go from there?

oh yeah that's right it is only because they are mad men who are jealous of your liberty .

Right.

If they were anything more than animals they would stop living in mountains and huts, and start building a future for themselves. Stop living like it's the year 1004 and start living life like it is 2004.

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » June 19, 2004, 9:49 am

Quick, someone get Kylere so he can see what a real racist comment looks like, and it doesn't even use "the N word"

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » June 19, 2004, 10:19 am

kyoukan wrote:how about you examine why they are pissed off enough to kill themselves just to harm people from your country and go from there?

oh yeah that's right it is only because they are mad men who are jealous of your liberty .

Well....you are partly right. They are mad men and do not represent Muslims as a whole. The terrorists in the Muslim world are fanatics and are using their religion as an excuse. It is the same thing Bush has been doing socially with some of his shenanigans. Neither represent their religion with their true beliefs.