McCain will be the next U.S. President (IMO)

[Winnow]

What the Dems really need is for McCain to pass out on stage from a heatstroke or something. This election would be fucking over.

No it wouldn't be over. You'd then have to deal with someone like Mitt Romney along with a sympathy vote surge in response to the downed McCain.

This election should be a gimmie for the Democrats. What's entertaining is that while it should be a blowout, and the republicans are screwing things up even further, it will probably be close anyway due to democrat incompetence. This Palin decoy is keeping the focus off McCain's senility. The best dirt on Obama is yet to be released. The GoP campaign managers will kick things into gear after the RNC.

[Ashur]

Sudden health problems can happen to anyone. You should be careful what you wish for...

[Tyek]

I was thinking about that the other day actually. Would Romney be named the GOP candidate? How does the election get affected? Does Romney claim he does not have enough time to run an effective campaign and ask for a delay? Has it ever happened in US history? I wouldn't want to actually see a guy die, but it would make for an interesting addition to an amazing election year.

[Siji]

Using her as a bait & switch would only further the belief that McCain doesn't have a clue what the fuck he's doing. He could resurrect and choose Abraham Lincoln as his running mate and he'd still be incompetent.

[Lynks]

Lincoln would be a poor running mate. His presidency to assassination ratio isn't good.

[Forthe]

Keeps getting sillier. Palin was a member of the Alaska Independence Party which encourages members to "infiltrate" dem\rep parties and push for the cause of Alaskan independence.

http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/arc ... _party.php

[Fairweather Pure]

Her "bridge to nowhere" reference pissed off a whole lot of Alaskans.

http://www.reuters.com/article/vcCandid ... 7020080901

That article paints a pretty ugly picture.

On the bright side, the Republicans are pissed because the hurricane wasn't as bad as they'd hoped for. At least it still gives an excuse for Dubya to not speak at the convention. That solved that little problem. Better to not have a convention at all than have one with Bush on the ticket just so it doesn't hammer home the McCain = Bush comparison.

[Xatrei]

It's becoming increasingly clear that the McCain campaign either did not vet Palin at all, or their vetting team was absolutely incompetent. Either way, I think it's going to be fun watching her implode as her history of incompetence and insanity comes to light. www.vetpalin.com is good for some laughs.

[Xyun]

It's the Bait and Switch!!

Bait and switch?
August 31, 2008 - 7:13pm.

PHIL HOSKINS

The selection of Gov. Sarah Palin as McCain's running mate was shocking and mystifying. Stunning for its demonstration of bad judgment on the part of McCain, I just could not figure out why he would select someone who was already under investigation in her home state. But what if that was not the strategy to begin with? What if instead the design was to select a woman who they already knew would pull out quickly?

Much has already been written about the questionable tactic of appealing to former supporters of Sen. Hillary Clinton by naming a woman as pick for Veep. As if a anti-abortion, pro-petroleum industry, political novice would take the place of a woman running for the Presidency.

While Palin' much discussed conservative and "maverick" views have invigorated the Christian Right who had heretofore been cool to McCain's candidacy, think of what may be about to come. here is the scenario:

Within the next 48 hours a viral, and actually quite vile, rumor currently exploding on the internet about the circumstances about Trig's birth -- the one with Down's Syndrome -- will get vetted. Whether true or not, they will place Palin on the spot and the fact of her being under investigation herself will loom larger.

Then McCain, being the alpha male he is, will accept her withdrawal from the race to "protect her from the vicious assault on the left" and thereby accomplish a move even Karl rove (assuming he didn't orchestrate it) would envy. McCain can then name another Veep, one he actually wants, and still claim the "high ground" and support for women and conservative values.

It really won't matter whether the rumor is true, whether she is indicted for ethics violations or whether any other of the sure to follow mistakes in her background dent her appeal. She was never intended to be the candidate anyhow.

She was the bait. Watch for the switch.

http://www.capitolhillblue.com/cont/node/11122

[Tristinn]

But they did that with Harriet Miers being nominated to the Supreme Court.. they wouldn't do it again so soon would they?

[Aslanna]

Forthe already posted that article!

And really I think a 'bait and switch' would only hurt them more. It would simply prove that they didn't bother to review her qualifications, and current political dealings, fully.

[Nick]

Karl Rove said,

With all due respect again to Governor Kaine, he’s been a governor for three years, he’s been able but undistinguished. I don’t think people could really name a big, important thing that he’s done. He was mayor of the 105th largest city in America. And again, with all due respect to Richmond, Virginia, it’s smaller than Chula Vista, California; Aurora, Colorado; Mesa or Gilbert, Arizona; north Las Vegas or Henderson, Nevada. It’s not a big town. So if he were to pick Governor Kaine, it would be an intensely political choice where he said, `You know what? I’m really not, first and foremost, concerned with, is this person capable of being president of the United States?

A few weeks ago.

Oh snap.

This Palin thing is so awesome. McCain is ruined unless he drops her.

[Winnow]

This Palin thing is so awesome. McCain is ruined unless he drops her.

Overreact much?

The average voter will never even hear about his comments. The only news plastered in the headlines is about Palin's daughter being pregnant which oddly enough is a positive development for the fundy vote.

[Spang]

McCain will definitely have the ignorant redneck vote.

Ignorant rednecks won't vote for niggers, but they will vote for old white guys who happen to have a woman as their running mate.

Also, having a teenage pregnant daughter should have no relevance in this election. Her daughter will never be president within the next 4 years no matter how many people die.

[masteen]

How can you say that the VP's 17 year old daughter getting knocked up out of wedlock is irrelevant? These people run on the faith and morality platform, but she can't even get her daughter to keep her legs closed until she's out of high school.

[Mak]

How can you say that the VP's 17 year old daughter getting knocked up out of wedlock is irrelevant? These people run on the faith and morality platform, but she can't even get her daughter to keep her legs closed until she's out of high school.

And virtually ALL of those people deal with this or similar problems of one kind or another within their own families as well. That event, and more importantly, the way the left has gone on about it, will help galvanize support for her. That's my take.

And I will forever maintain that if Bill getting his dick sucked by an intern -in the oval office while still President- is none of my business, neither is something like this.

[Gzette]

For some possibly relevant information as to why Palin was chosen I offer this NYT article:

ST. PAUL — A series of disclosures about Gov. Sarah Palin, Senator John McCain’s choice as running mate, called into question on Monday how thoroughly Mr. McCain had examined her background before putting her on the Republican presidential ticket.

On Monday morning, Ms. Palin and her husband, Todd, issued a statement saying that their 17-year-old unmarried daughter, Bristol, was five months pregnant and that she intended to marry the father.

Among other less attention-grabbing news of the day: it was learned that Ms. Palin now has a private lawyer in a legislative ethics investigation in Alaska into whether she abused her power in dismissing the state’s public safety commissioner; that she was a member for two years in the 1990s of the Alaska Independence Party, which has at times sought a vote on whether the state should secede; and that Mr. Palin was arrested 22 years ago on a drunken-driving charge.

Aides to Mr. McCain said they had a team on the ground in Alaska now to look more thoroughly into Ms. Palin’s background. A Republican with ties to the campaign said the team assigned to vet Ms. Palin in Alaska had not arrived there until Thursday, a day before Mr. McCain stunned the political world with his vice-presidential choice. The campaign was still calling Republican operatives as late as Sunday night asking them to go to Alaska to deal with the unexpected candidacy of Ms. Palin.

Although the McCain campaign said that Mr. McCain had known about Bristol Palin’s pregnancy before he asked her mother to join him on the ticket and that he did not consider it disqualifying, top aides were vague on Monday about how and when he had learned of the pregnancy, and from whom.

While there was no sign that her formal nomination this week was in jeopardy, the questions swirling around Ms. Palin on the first day of the Republican National Convention, already disrupted by Hurricane Gustav, brought anxiety to Republicans who worried that Democrats would use the selection of Ms. Palin to question Mr. McCain’s judgment and his ability to make crucial decisions.

At the least, Republicans close to the campaign said it was increasingly apparent that Ms. Palin had been selected as Mr. McCain’s running mate with more haste than McCain advisers initially described.

Up until midweek last week, some 48 to 72 hours before Mr. McCain introduced Ms. Palin at a Friday rally in Dayton, Ohio, Mr. McCain was still holding out the hope that he could choose a good friend, Senator Joseph I. Lieberman, independent of Connecticut, a Republican close to the campaign said. Mr. McCain had also been interested in another favorite, former Gov. Tom Ridge of Pennsylvania.

But both men favor abortion rights, anathema to the Christian conservatives who make up a crucial base of the Republican Party. As word leaked out that Mr. McCain was seriously considering the men, the campaign was bombarded by outrage from influential conservatives who predicted an explosive floor fight at the convention and vowed rejection of Mr. Ridge or Mr. Lieberman by the delegates.

Perhaps more important, several Republicans said, Mr. McCain was getting advice that if he did not do something to shake up the race, his campaign would be stuck on a potentially losing trajectory.

With time running out — and as Mr. McCain discarded two safer choices, Gov. Tim Pawlenty of Minnesota and former Gov. Mitt Romney of Massachusetts, as too predictable — he turned to Ms. Palin. He had his first face-to-face interview with her on Thursday and offered her the job moments later. Advisers to Mr. Pawlenty and another of the finalists on Mr. McCain’s list described an intensive vetting process for those candidates that lasted one to two months.

“They didn’t seriously consider her until four or five days from the time she was picked, before she was asked, maybe the Thursday or Friday before,” said a Republican close to the campaign. “This was really kind of rushed at the end, because John didn’t get what he wanted. He wanted to do Joe or Ridge.”

In the final stages, two Republicans familiar with the process said, Mr. McCain’s campaign manager, Rick Davis, emerged as a key advocate for Ms. Palin.

Mr. McCain’s advisers said repeatedly on Monday that Ms. Palin was “thoroughly vetted,” a process that would have included a review of all financial and legal records as well as a criminal background check. A McCain aide said the campaign was well aware of the ethics investigation and had looked into it.

“It was obviously something that anybody Googling Sarah Palin knew was in the news and there was a very thorough vetting done on that and also on the daughter,” the aide said.

People familiar with the process said Ms. Palin had responded to a standard form with more than 70 questions. Although The Washington Post quoted advisers to Mr. McCain on Sunday as saying Ms. Palin had been subjected to an F.B.I. background check, an F.B.I. official said Monday the bureau did not vet potential candidates and had not known of her selection until it was made public.

Mark Salter, Mr. McCain’s closest adviser, said in an e-mail message that Ms. Palin had been interviewed by Arthur B. Culvahouse Jr., a veteran Washington lawyer in charge of the vice-presidential vetting process for Mr. McCain, as well as by other lawyers who worked for Mr. Culvahouse. Mr. Salter did not respond to an e-mail message asking if Ms. Palin had told Mr. Culvahouse and his lawyers that her daughter was pregnant.

In Alaska, several state leaders and local officials said they knew of no efforts by the McCain campaign to find out more information about Ms. Palin before the announcement of her selection, Although campaigns are typically discreet when they make inquiries into potential running mates, officials in Alaska said Monday they thought it was peculiar that no one in the state had the slightest hint that Ms. Palin might be under consideration.

“They didn’t speak to anyone in the Legislature, they didn’t speak to anyone in the business community,” said Lyda Green, the State Senate president, who lives in Wasilla, where Ms. Palin served as mayor.

Representative Gail Phillips, a Republican and former speaker of the State House, said the widespread surprise in Alaska when Ms. Palin was named to the ticket made her wonder how intensively the McCain campaign had vetted her.

“I started calling around and asking, and I have not been able to find one person that was called,” Ms. Phillips said. “I called 30 to 40 people, political leaders, business leaders, community leaders. Not one of them had heard. Alaska is a very small community, we know people all over, but I haven’t found anybody who was asked anything.”

The current mayor of Wasilla, Dianne M. Keller, said she had not heard of any efforts to look into Ms. Palin’s background. And Randy Ruedrich, the state Republican Party chairman, said he knew nothing of any vetting that had been conducted.

State Senator Hollis French, a Democrat who is directing the ethics investigation, said that no one asked him about the allegations. “I heard not a word, not a single contact,” he said.

A number of Republicans said the McCain campaign had to some degree tied its hands in its effort to keep the selection process so secret.

“If you really want it to be a surprise, the circle of people that you’re going to allow to know about it is going to be small, and that’s just the nature of it,” said Dan Bartlett, a former counselor to President Bush.

Former McCain strategists disagreed on whether it would have been useful for Ms. Palin’s name to have been more publicly floated before her selection so that issues like the trooper investigation and her daughter’s pregnancy might have already been aired and not seemed so new at the time of her announcement.

“It’s a risk,” said Dan Schnur, a former McCain aide who now directs the Jesse M. Unruh Institute of Politics at the University of Southern California. “No matter how great the candidate, it’s a significant risk to put someone on the ticket” who hasn’t been publicly scrutinized.

“They obviously felt it was worth the risk to rev up the base and potentially reach out to Clinton supporters,” Mr. Schnur said.

Long article, but informative. If you believe it, it appears she was not vetted at all beyond said Google search.

[Gzette]

Something else to consider.

The night that McCain intends on accepting the nomination and attempting to gain ground with Obama's 38.4 million viewers is a slight scheduling conflict.

The first game of the NFL season. Giants v Redskins.

Not the most marquis match-up, but that's what I'll be watching.

McNowhere

[Forthe]

How can you say that the VP's 17 year old daughter getting knocked up out of wedlock is irrelevant? These people run on the faith and morality platform, but she can't even get her daughter to keep her legs closed until she's out of high school.

And virtually ALL of those people deal with this or similar problems of one kind or another within their own families as well. That event, and more importantly, the way the left has gone on about it, will help galvanize support for her. That's my take.

And I will forever maintain that if Bill getting his dick sucked by an intern -in the oval office while still President- is none of my business, neither is something like this.

I think she will definitely galvanize her support from the religeous right base but she is extreme enough that she will galvanize the pro choice folks that typically don't have much fear about the issue. You could always try to pass McCain off as a moderate, you can't do that with this woman.

The pregnancy, while unfortunate, is an issue due to her positions: abstinence only sex education, wouldn't support abortion if her daughter was raped and now we find out that she line item veto'd a support program helping teen mothers in need of a place to live. Karma is a bitch.

[Winnow]

Go Joe Lieberman!

[Canelek]

Oh sweet baby jesus, Lieberman is the worst cocksucker out there. Him, Tipper Gore, and the rest of those PMRC cocksuckers can kindly diacf...


beep fucking beep

[Nick]

So effectively the Republicans are completely out of ideas and are just stealing Obama's logos whilst trotting out a geriatric POW and insane soccer mom and fear mongering.


And people will buy this. There's no such thing as "too stupid" when it comes to these folks. The amount of patriotic circlejerking and outright lies presented as fact was off the chart this evening at that RNC convention. Truly frightening to watch total denial of reality

Nice attempts to guilt trip you into voting for Mccain from Thompson also. Did Mel Gibson write his speech?

It's amazing to me how no matter how much Democrats go to great lengths to try to explain the complexities of the problems of society and civilization all the Republicans have to do is reply with Lieberals! Abortion! Bootstraps! WAR! and people will drop everything and cheer.

[Toshira]

How can you say that the VP's 17 year old daughter getting knocked up out of wedlock is irrelevant? These people run on the faith and morality platform, but she can't even get her daughter to keep her legs closed until she's out of high school.

And virtually ALL of those people deal with this or similar problems of one kind or another within their own families as well. That event, and more importantly, the way the left has gone on about it, will help galvanize support for her. That's my take.

And I will forever maintain that if Bill getting his dick sucked by an intern -in the oval office while still President- is none of my business, neither is something like this.

Of course, we spent millions of dollars on this, and it became our business, thanks to the Republicans.

Hey look, history:

"It seems like a long time since Vice President Dan Quayle denounced Murphy Brown for having a baby out of wedlock, bemoaning a “poverty of values.” It also seems like a long time — and another McCain ago — that Republicans supporting W. smeared the old John McCain by spreading rumors that he had fathered an illegitimate black child." - Maureen Dowd

[Siji]

How can you say that the VP's 17 year old daughter getting knocked up out of wedlock is irrelevant? These people run on the faith and morality platform, but she can't even get her daughter to keep her legs closed until she's out of high school.

Didn't you know? Her daughter dropped out of school..

[Funkmasterr]

I spent a month in Alaska.. And I can tell you from my time there that if I lived there, I would be bored as fuck and would probably knock some local skank up by the time I was 13, so Palin's daughter being pregnant is no surprise to me, and should be no surprise to anyone else, especially if you've seen how miserably boring living in Alaska can be.

[Forthe]

Hey look, history:

"It seems like a long time since Vice President Dan Quayle denounced Murphy Brown for having a baby out of wedlock, bemoaning a “poverty of values.” It also seems like a long time — and another McCain ago — that Republicans supporting W. smeared the old John McCain by spreading rumors that he had fathered an illegitimate black child." - Maureen Dowd

Dan Quayle must be loving this VP pick, she could possibly bump his name down the worst VP pick list.

I think it is pretty obvious now that McCain could pick a pile of shit off the side of the road and the fundamentalists will support it as long as it is anti-abortion. I've only seen a few fiscal conservatives and some Dr. Laura chick (OMG THE SEXISM!!!11!!) question McCain's pick. They are even portraying this teen pregnancy as a great thing. Yes children, getting knocked up is a great thing as long as you don't have an abortion!!! "Family values".

One thing I find funny, when the media questions the GOP surrogates if they personally think it was the best pick, they will respond with something along the lines of "it was the best pick for John McCain", nice hedging.

[Winnow]

Don't any of you watch Battlestar Galactica? Laura Roslin, the Secretary of Education...27th in line to the presidency, took over the role of president and did a fine job (when she wasn't all hopped up on the chamalla drug).

Sarah Palin as well, could be that special person that steps to the forefront when times are tough, to lead our nation.

[Forthe]

HOT MIC!! HOT MIC!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrG8w4bb3kg

[Xatrei]

Haha - I was just about to post that link, too. Too damned funny.

[Aslanna]

Well that didn't last long... 215 views and it's no longer available.

Oh, now it's back again. Going to have to call shenanigans.

[Metanis]

I just opened an Intrade account. I'm going to sell Obama short for $500.

The thuggish feeding frenzy against Ms. Palin has energized all the foot soldiers McCain's going to need.

Ironic that Obama's own supporters are going to be responsible for his defeat. They are too effing dumb to keep their shit holes shut.

[Xatrei]

Well that didn't last long... 215 views and it's no longer available.

Oh, now it's back again. Going to have to call shenanigans.

In case the youtube version is yanked again, here's another source. Huffpo also has a transcript of Todd, Noonan and Murphy's exchange. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/0 ... 23647.html

[Winnow]

Bring home those religious votes Huckabee!

[Nick]

Yeah I imagine that story will have serious legs. Not that the media is short of legitimate criticism of Palin thus far.

The world would be a better place if the venue of the RNC got vaporised tonight.

I am utterly amazed by watching the RNC convention. It's like the meeting of the most shit-eating contrary misleading soulless assholes on the planet. This is a serious, serious issue of American education levels. It's virtually impossible for an outsider to look in at this embarrassing spectacle and not be completely dumbstruck at the absolute shamelessness exhibited by this group of people. They even claim to be winning Iraq! A lowering of violence from a year ago is not a victory, it's still a humiliating defeat in any context the world cares about.

Huckabee just said "I'm so fed up with the criticism of Palin, did you know she got more votes when running for Mayor of Wasilla (tiny village in Alaska) than BIDEN GOT FOR RUNNING FOR President" This is a total nonsense lie. Yet the crowd went wild. Biden recieved more votes for his position in government, many many many many times over, than Palin ever got for hers. What the fuck?

This is a convention of smear. Not about what any election representing the interests of 300 million people should be about...?

Also, they are trying to claim that Palin is experienced. Palin is the inept mayor of a tiny village in the middle of the fucking arctic. Unbelievable.

It's absolutely ridiculous that some people will fall for this.

Really sad that a country that prides itself on its so called awesomeness appears totally blind to the basic elements of 21st century rationality.


Edit: I see Winnow is as usual bending himself over and spreading those cheeks just to continue the facade of being the GOP's split-legged jizz covered grinning cheerleader. Keep it up Winnow, the anonymity of the internet is good for you. Vital in fact. Don't forget to reply with the usual xenophobic remark.

The results of this upcoming election aside, discussing the issues, and actually giving a goddamn about the realistic approach to what may make the United states of America a better place, both from an insider and outsiders perspective, has already been made abundantly clear in this years run up. Those who get behind the protagonists of this RNC convention, should seriously consider never posting on this board again, and should be ashamed to call themselves patriots.

It's highly ironic that the Republicans are getting behind a POW, whilst holding an untold number of POW's themselves in a nonsense political war based on partisan idealogy. Not to mention that McCain supports the continuation of such globally divisive, proven to be ineffective, immoral acts.

I lament the fact that evolution is such a slow process. So many people seem to be taken in by the lies. Winnow for example, has lost any credibility he had on this forum by his refusal to do little else than gag on the wrinkly assholes of the unintelligent Republican party.

For shame.

The media networks, such as CNN, Fox etc, should be absolutely ashamed. The level of political discourse is absolutely mindboggling. Truly abysmal. It's like it's run by high school idiots. For all Britain and Ireland's faults, this would truly never happen here. And Our media is not exactly great. But this is a whole other level.

I'm actually ashamed of America at this point. I have such great hopes that America can be a great force in the world. But after watching this convention, and seeing the dipshit posts of the posters on this forum, and the talking heads of the networks, one can merely look in absolute amazement, shame and frankly, fear, at the state of some replublican americans in 2008.This party is the party of the religious Americans? They don't appear to know what christianity actually is. Or live by the basic elements thereof.

A party that has a serious chance of winning power of the most militarily powerful country on the planet that is led by people who believe the world is less than 7000 years old, are anti-abortion in all cases, even those of rape and incest, absolutely hate gays (when the rest of the western world has long since stopped giving a fuck about what people do with their own lives), effectively patriotic to the point of fascism, tell outright lies in an (no doubt successful) attempt to delude unintelligent humans for their own political gains, lack any degree of judgement or experience, refuse to intellectually increase their level of discourse, etc . etc. et fucking c.

Believe me, if this Republican party ticket wins. America's already loathed position as the most shameful nation on the planet is going to increase exponentially. And this is not because of envy, as appears to be the deluded defense of the right. It is because of logical rationale. Reason. Fact. Reality. This is an easy problem to fix. And a necessary one in the upcoming century.

The form of thinking taking place over there....is simply....unbelievably thick. Words do not do it justice. Seriously. What. The. Fuck. America?

Edi2 - Oh here's Guiliani on to sully the dead of 911. I wonder how many times he will mention it.

Edit3.Comments on the Guiliani "speech/nonsense" - Wow Guiliani is a fucking loser. A liar, misleading sack of shit of a man. Why would anyone listen to this moron? To his "credit", still no 911 mention. "Drill baby drill" says it all. I imagine that will haunt the Republicans tomorrow. "When they'd given up on Iraq, they'd given up on America"? You people don't a problem with this? Uhhg. Disgusting shite. And now he is bringing up the surge, and trying to attack Obama, haha, who believes this shit? Unbelievable. The issues in iraq have very little to do with the "surge". Jesus. I've never seen such a misleading load of horseshit. Always funny seeing the republican hardon for ethnic cleansing in Palestine coming through though --- Now apparantly the McCain ticket will "shake up Washington" - By bringing it back to the fucking dark ages. This is a total gas. hehe. "America is a beacon of Freedom to the rest of the world" -- No, it isn't. Really. Fascist patriotism as per usual. I liked the black guy screaming "BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO"

Edit 4 - Comments on the Palin speech - Ah, let's watch the hardons fly. The screaming and orgasmic moaning from the crowd is so fucking contrived. Anyone else smell desperation in the air? -- What are "pundints"? -- Haha backdrop of a half empty stadium. -- A lie about "victory" being in sight in Iraq. haha what? - Now she brings up her son going to Iraq, just like Biden's son has! But apparantly she doesn't appear to want to acknowledge that. - Cheers for the retarded baby - Wow this is embarrassing so far. - 15 minutes in and no substance on anything - It's like a prom queen accepting her useless victory at the prom before she becomes pregnant with a retarded baby....oh wait - Writer's name? - "I'm your average hockey mom" - TOTALLY READY TO BE PRESIDENT WHEN MCCAIN DIES in the next few months. -- Oh now Republicans give a shit about Alaska. Hahhahaha, she's going to try and defend her total lack of experience because she ran a village into total debt. - - Bad Soundbyte. -- Protester is escorted out, so much for freedom of speech! - HUUURRR GUNS - and now a republican is trying to complain about the "washington elite", how low do these cunts want to go? - Ok, actually I'm done, this is such a joke. She's totally flailing and looks like a fucking moron. This is embarrassing to watch. Vote for her if you want, but you're a fucking retard and your country will die.

[*~*stragi*~*]

[Nick]

Yeah sorry stragi that was probably a little too normal for you. I'll try and "IRC it up" and add in a bit of 4chan next time so it's more on your level duder.

[*~*stragi*~*]

"normal"

[*~*stragi*~*]

you should throw in some xmen references too i'm watchin' xmen (prof x just died)

[Kryshade]

I hope and pray that this is a once in a lifetime occurence, but I actually agree with you Nick.

I watched a portion of the Palin speech tonight and it made me seriously worry that there are people out there that will buy into this lady and her running mates speeches. If McCain/Palin win the presidency, I honestly think I would consider leaving America. It's not that I don't think that perhaps, just maybe McCain will try to do something positive with the presidency, it's just that I think I'd be so embaressed that we actually ELECTED McCain/Palin to the white house that I'd be forced to leave. I don't believe that Obama is the saviour of the US that many think he is, but I do believe he's the symbol we need to elect to show the world, and ourselves that we're ready for change and something different. I think his election would be more of a symbolic statement that the USA is done with our past 8 years of mistakes and we're ready to try to get back on the horse.

I hate to agree with Nick on anything just because he's so filled with **RAGE** but I think if McCain gets elected, I'd lose all faith in America and there would be nothing left but a deep shame for my country for what they've just done.

[*~*stragi*~*]

Everything anyone says on either side is so completely meaningless at this point it's just not worth getting worked up over. X-men is on FX.

[Xyun]

Yea, this is a tabloid story and it will go away. They will try to shove this idiocy down our throats for two months straight and they are gonna be clobbered for it.

[*~*stragi*~*]

Yea, this is a tabloid story and it will go away. They will try to shove this idiocy down our throats for two months straight and they are gonna be clobbered for it.

what xman would be the best president? imo collossus would be the best president because he can turn into metal and he saved a bunch of kids

[masteen]

what xman would be the best president? imo collossus would be the best president because he can turn into metal and he saved a bunch of kids

Iceman. He's so cool his gf gave up her mutant powars so they could do it.

[Ashur]

If McCain/Palin win the presidency, I honestly think I would consider leaving America.

Good lord. Get over yourself. HOW old are you? This is emo on the level of a teenager.

[Xyun]

My favorite is Mystique. She would make the best president, she would also make the best fuck buddy to boot.

[Ashur]

My favorite is Mystique. She would make the best president, she would also make the best fuck buddy to boot.

VV First. I agree with Xyun on something 100%. woot.

[Winnow]

I'm sticking with Emma Frost although I'd be OK with Mystique in the form of Emma Frost. You might miss out on the witty bedside chatter though. She can mimic the looks but not the mind!

Just remember: The difference between a hockey mom and a pitbull is the lipstick!

[*~*stragi*~*]

My favorite is Mystique. She would make the best president, she would also make the best fuck buddy to boot.

i would agree but she lost her mutant powers so now shes just hot and so is sarah pallins 17 year old daughter jesus christ i want to put a baby in her

[*~*stragi*~*]

hey would you vote for mccain if he had a lesbo sex tape of cindy and sarah

[Spankes]

Wow, she is a terrible speaker.