Spiderman 2
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Saw it.
Seems obvious they are going the Venom + Green Goblin 2 vs Spiderman + MJ/PP wedding route for the third (and presumably final) movie. Fight scenes were a lot better than the first movie and it was a lot less campy. Didn't understand the whole spiderman needs viagra thing though.
Seems obvious they are going the Venom + Green Goblin 2 vs Spiderman + MJ/PP wedding route for the third (and presumably final) movie. Fight scenes were a lot better than the first movie and it was a lot less campy. Didn't understand the whole spiderman needs viagra thing though.
War is an option whose time has passed. Peace is the only option for the future. At present we occupy a treacherous no-man's-land between peace and war, a time of growing fear that our military might has expanded beyond our capacity to control it and our political differences widened beyond our ability to bridge them. . . .
Short of changing human nature, therefore, the only way to achieve a practical, livable peace in a world of competing nations is to take the profit out of war.
--RICHARD M. NIXON, "REAL PEACE" (1983)
"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, represents, in the final analysis, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children."
Dwight Eisenhower
Short of changing human nature, therefore, the only way to achieve a practical, livable peace in a world of competing nations is to take the profit out of war.
--RICHARD M. NIXON, "REAL PEACE" (1983)
"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, represents, in the final analysis, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children."
Dwight Eisenhower
I agree with the depressing story for most of the movie. I think it was a bit overdone but he got MJ in the end so all is well.noel wrote:I really didn't enjoy this movie at all. It had moments, but they were few and far between.
As much bad luck as Parker was having in that movie, you'd have figured the 'bad guy' was Black Cat and not Doc Ock.
I also don't recall Spiderman with his mask off as often as he had it in this movie. These big stars need face time I guess!
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Yeah seriously what the fuck was that? There was so much shit that made no sense at all in that movie. What was with his powers suddenly not working. I don't recall that ever happening in the comic book. The movie just seemed to drag on forever...Winnow wrote:I agree with the depressing story for most of the movie. I think it was a bit overdone but he got MJ in the end so all is well.
I also don't recall Spiderman with his mask off as often as he had it in this movie. These big stars need face time I guess!
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Better CGI is amateur films? I doubt that. Cite some examples. I didn't really see a problem with the CGI is SM2. It wasn't the best in some spots but not enough to be distracting.
His powers not working thing had to do with his inner conflict of his responsibilty as Spiderman and his desire to do the things he wanted. Or at least that's what made sense to me although they never directly came out and said the cause. It seemed obvious to me though.
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http://movie-reviews.colossus.net/movie ... -man2.htmlThe special effects are, on the whole, a little less successful than in the previous outing - probably because there are more of them. At times, especially during some of the complex battle maneuvers or when he's slinging his way high above Manhattan, it's pretty obvious that Spider-Man is computer generated. The key to CGI is not to overuse the technique. Spider-Man flirted with the line. Spider-Man 2 crosses it, although barely, and not in a way that it becomes a serious detriment. And there are some marvelous scenes, such as when Spider-Man tries to stop an out-of-control train, or when Peter Parker leaps atop Mary Jane to keep her from harm's way. (That may be the most impressive sequence in the entire movie, and it's in the trailers.)
His powers not working thing had to do with his inner conflict of his responsibilty as Spiderman and his desire to do the things he wanted. Or at least that's what made sense to me although they never directly came out and said the cause. It seemed obvious to me though.
http://slate.msn.com/id/2103035The gravely splendid Spider-Man 2 (Columbia Pictures), again directed by Sam Raimi, dramatizes this schism as powerfully as any superhero picture since Superman II (1980): Its protagonist (Tobey Maguire) is so conflicted that neither side of him can properly function. The movie is a cut above the pretty-darn-good original: The special effects are more tightly woven into the human drama, the villain is better dramatized (and acted, by Alfred Molina), and the love story is a few notches up the evolutionary scale from the first movie's adolescent infatuation. But it's the tone of the picture that's most striking. This is nothing less than a superhero's lament—Spidey Agonistes, a comic-book spectacle in which the primary struggles are behind the mask.
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I totally agree that that's what they were trying to do. It didn't work for me at all.Aslanna wrote:His powers not working thing had to do with his inner conflict of his responsibilty as Spiderman and his desire to do the things he wanted. Or at least that's what made sense to me although they never directly came out and said the cause. It seemed obvious to me though.
I wanted to like this movie so bad. I was looking forward to it for months. I was encouraged by all the reviews on this site, and I was utterly disappointed. Oh, my God; I care so little, I almost passed out.
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I guess I was the opposite, I hated the first one and figured this would be just like it. Any dialogue between MJ and PP seemed fucking retarded and I cringed any time the two were in the same screen during this one as well. So maybe since I went in with extremely low expectations, I really enjoyed this one. I'd agree that sometimes the CGI did seem a bit much though.noel wrote:I totally agree that that's what they were trying to do. It didn't work for me at all.Aslanna wrote:His powers not working thing had to do with his inner conflict of his responsibilty as Spiderman and his desire to do the things he wanted. Or at least that's what made sense to me although they never directly came out and said the cause. It seemed obvious to me though.
You couldnt really have Rhino as a main badguy, by himself I mean. Now I've never had the chance to read a great bulk of the comics, of what I learned from Spidey was the animated series. But Rhino is kinda dumb, you'd need someone with a bit of brains to his muscle, surely?
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Most of the Doc Ock effects involved puppetry as well as CGI, also. I guess if you wanted a superhero movie with nothing but the superheros smacking shit around and no character development, Xmen would be a better choice. Anyone who grew up on Spiderman knows damn well that the draw of the story is how the average guy deals with having these huge responsibilities while trying to keep his own life together. If the story seems like a sappy chick flick at times, well fault the source material. MJ drifted in and out of his life multiple times in the comics as well. Personally, if you yank the whole spiderman needs viagra part of the story, you have the best superhero movie ever. I mean really, compare this movie to the action CGI slog fests that were the Xmen movies and tell me which is the deeper story. Also, anyone who complained about overt use of CGI in this movie obviously hasn't seen George Lucas's work lately.
War is an option whose time has passed. Peace is the only option for the future. At present we occupy a treacherous no-man's-land between peace and war, a time of growing fear that our military might has expanded beyond our capacity to control it and our political differences widened beyond our ability to bridge them. . . .
Short of changing human nature, therefore, the only way to achieve a practical, livable peace in a world of competing nations is to take the profit out of war.
--RICHARD M. NIXON, "REAL PEACE" (1983)
"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, represents, in the final analysis, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children."
Dwight Eisenhower
Short of changing human nature, therefore, the only way to achieve a practical, livable peace in a world of competing nations is to take the profit out of war.
--RICHARD M. NIXON, "REAL PEACE" (1983)
"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, represents, in the final analysis, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children."
Dwight Eisenhower
Hey, don't be bagging on the X-Men! The X-Men has just as much depth as Spiderman and probably more considering all of the characters. You probably need to have read X-Men 94-101 to fully appreciate it though...actually considering the story is modified, read through issue 139, right before the Future Sentinals storyline kicks in.Jice Virago wrote:Most of the Doc Ock effects involved puppetry as well as CGI, also. I guess if you wanted a superhero movie with nothing but the superheros smacking shit around and no character development, Xmen would be a better choice. Anyone who grew up on Spiderman knows damn well that the draw of the story is how the average guy deals with having these huge responsibilities while trying to keep his own life together. If the story seems like a sappy chick flick at times, well fault the source material. MJ drifted in and out of his life multiple times in the comics as well. Personally, if you yank the whole spiderman needs viagra part of the story, you have the best superhero movie ever. I mean really, compare this movie to the action CGI slog fests that were the Xmen movies and tell me which is the deeper story. Also, anyone who complained about overt use of CGI in this movie obviously hasn't seen George Lucas's work lately.
Spiderman offers a more personal storyline and can do so with a single hero. X-Men deals with a bunch of villains and mutants although you still get the Scott Summers/Logan/Jean Grey love triangle going and the Rogue intrigue with Logan, Iceman and will probably see it continue in later movies with Gambit later on. The relationships between the mutants is also very deep with the Rogue/Mystique/Nightcrawler connection being just one of them.
It's extremely hard to pack in background storylines into a 2 hour movie that has so many interesting characters but they've managed to do a great job so far in the first two X-Men.
Where?Shanter wrote:Brock has a couple of appearances in this movie.
Just saw it this past afternoon and while it did drag out a bit, overall I thought it was much better than the original.
But back to my original question, I couldnt spot Brock here or in the first one at all. Am I just missin something?