Al Gore on Bush's Iraq Policy

Fallanthas · Post by **Fallanthas** » August 8, 2003, 4:34 pm

Forthe, just shut the fuck up. I JUST explained why you cannot show an increase with affecting the official unemployment number. If you are too lazy to scroll up and read it carefully, it's not my lookout.

Chidoro, what interst rate were you referring to? The prime? Bond rates? Home rates? I agree lowering the rate has done jack for the economy. Why?

NO MARKET EXPANSION. Why borrow money to expand and service a market that does not exist?

Metanis · Post by **Metanis** » August 8, 2003, 5:31 pm

Jice Virago wrote: We all know this is probably some pre song and dance to him warming up for a run at office again, or at the very least some well tuned dogma to rally the party for whoever is going to run. The difference is Gore made his case with direct references from experts that can be verified and debated. Oil Baron Boy used forged sources and quashed any form of public debate on his course of action. Let us not forget that the election between these men ended suspect at best, with Gore leading in the popular vote and Bush winning the electoral vote with the deciding state just happening to be one run by his brother, and in a mire of controversy.

That said, when Bill won re-election four years ago, the republicans response was a unilateral "I'm gonna get you sucka" and they lobbed tax funded witch hunts to try and bring him down. When it was apparent that fighting the Floriday mess any further would lead to wide scale unrest and governmental instability, Gore not only stepped down he publically encouraged everyone to support Bush as president in the interests of a unified nation. Since then the only things he has called for have been more congressional and public input into the decisions being made about our economic and foreign policy future. The speech above is the first time he has come out and said what we all fundementally know, that this fucking puppet of the good old boy block needs to be ousted.

To be honest, I wish the GOP would put someone up descent enough to beat him in the primaries (I don't think the Democrats are going to field a worthwhile canadate), but we all saw what happens when someone runs against the hand picked good old boy in the GOP; they skew the game and railroad the poor bastard out of politics. Mark my words if the GOP doesn't start holding its own accountable, you might just see President Clinton in 2004, and I don't mean Bill.

Your post is wrong on so many counts that no one would take the time to read my rebuttal. Soooooo...

I'm going to zero in one just one of your many misconceptions. You stated "Gore not only stepped down he publically encouraged everyone to support Bush as president in the interests of a unified nation".

! Jice, you are much smarter than that... a person doesn't concede the Presidency of the USA unless they know they LOST! You stop and think about it, Gore didn't concede because of any wish for the greater good, he quit because he knew he! would! not! win! the! recounts!

You can try to forget the facts, however it was widely reported 6 months after the election that Gore would have lost in nearly any recount scenario. And don't forget Gore was trying to have the overseas military mail ballots thrown out! That would have looked great... winning by disenfranchising men and women under arms and overseas in defense of their county.

You know? I don't really give a damn that Al Gore conceded... I'm merely using this single example to show you are just another bleeding heart pretender to liberalism.

If you believe Al Gore conceded the election from some altruistic selfless urge to "do the right thing" then I've got some ocean-front property for sale up here in central Wisconsin just for you Jice.

Acies · Post by **Acies** » August 8, 2003, 6:53 pm

What Jice said was not leftist. If you want to see leftist, try this:

http://www.ericblumrich.com/gta.html

Mostly for humor value, well that and the soundtrack is pretty cool

Kelgar · Post by **Kelgar** » August 8, 2003, 9:13 pm

Tardalas wrote:Nope you are too!

Ah yes. This thread is now officially dead. Tardboy just unleashed pure pwnage with yet another brilliant one-liner. Move along now as there is nothing else worth seeing.

Brotha · Post by **Brotha** » August 8, 2003, 11:10 pm

vn_Tanc wrote:The UN then "quibbles" about such trifles as international law when the US decides to attack Iraq on a whim.

On a WHIM? Do I need to recite the past history of Iraq and the numerous broken resolutions? Do I need to recite the events leading up to the invasion- the invasion that could have been stopped simply by Saddam fully and completely complying? I think you know the history as well as I do, but the thought that some racist cowboy president randomly decided to attack a Muslin country is more agreeable with your views. Keep your head buried though, it's warm down there.

vn_Tanc wrote:All the bullshit you CONTINUE to spew about threats of WMD, terrorism, genocide have been SHOWN TO BE FALSE.

http://edition.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/europ ... lair.trip/

"We know, according to the U.N., and not the British Government, there are some 300,000 missing people and 80 mass graves. I happen to believe we still did the right thing!" an animated Blair said.

That's not genocide? WTF are you smoking man?

The idea that Saddam suddenly had a change of heart and chose to quit his WMD programs is so ridiculous I can't even contemplate it. For a decade he suffered under sanctions that were destroying his people just because he wanted to keep them. He could have gotten sanctions lifted at any time if had chosen to. He even refused to fully cooperate when there were 100,000 troops at his border. Saddam would have eventually (2008, 2010, whenever) gotten his hands on a nuclear weapon. Acting now saved lives that would have been lost from attacking him at some point in the future when his army was exponentially stronger (see the mess we're in with N. Korea) or a nuke showing up in one of our cities or, more realistically, Israel. Not to mention the humanitarian aspect. How anyone could claim that this war was immoral is beyond me. It doesn't get more black and white than this.

Kelgar wrote:Perhaps if you could find some real information from a less biased viewpoint, more people would take your arguments more seriously.

But a liberal Bush-hating Berkeley professor is somehow less biased? Sorry, you can't have it both ways.

And the idea that I care whether the most out of touch with reality person on this board (and that's saying a lot) takes me seriously is well...pretty out of touch with reality.

Kelgar wrote:Ah yes. This thread is now officially dead. Tardboy just unleashed pure pwnage with yet another brilliant one-liner. Move along now as there is nothing else worth seeing.

Wow, you even thought up the name Tardalas. Now theres some REAL ownage. Your condescending attitude coupled with your ignorance on a wide variety of topics is enough to make me puke. I really don't know what to do other than quote from the MASTER of flaming.

Kelgar wrote:No one will fault you for being some gimp who started playing EQ post velious,luclin, etc.

pwned...

Forthe · Post by **Forthe** » August 8, 2003, 11:25 pm

Fallanthas wrote:Forthe, just shut the fuck up. I JUST explained why you cannot show an increase with affecting the official unemployment number. If you are too lazy to scroll up and read it carefully, it's not my lookout.

Chidoro, what interst rate were you referring to? The prime? Bond rates? Home rates? I agree lowering the rate has done jack for the economy. Why?

NO MARKET EXPANSION. Why borrow money to expand and service a market that does not exist?

The US unemployment rate has fallen, but the drop was down to fewer workers searching for jobs rather than more jobs being created.
Official figures showed the jobless rate fell to 6.2% last month, down from 6.4% in June when US unemployment reached its highest level for nine years.

The data suggests that sluggish economic growth is still leading the US economy to shed jobs, with July seeing a net loss of 44,000 jobs, following a revised loss of 72,000 jobs in June.

Meanwhile some 556,000 workers left the potential pool of workers, discouraged that no jobs were available.

They are no longer counted as unemployed because they are not actively searching for work.

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » August 9, 2003, 12:40 am

Brotha wrote:
vn_Tanc wrote:The UN then "quibbles" about such trifles as international law when the US decides to attack Iraq on a whim.
On a WHIM? Do I need to recite the past history of Iraq and the numerous broken resolutions? Do I need to recite the events leading up to the invasion- the invasion that could have been stopped simply by Saddam fully and completely complying? I think you know the history as well as I do, but the thought that some racist cowboy president randomly decided to attack a Muslin country is more agreeable with your views. Keep your head buried though, it's warm down there.

vn_Tanc wrote:All the bullshit you CONTINUE to spew about threats of WMD, terrorism, genocide have been SHOWN TO BE FALSE.
http://edition.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/europ ... lair.trip/

"We know, according to the U.N., and not the British Government, there are some 300,000 missing people and 80 mass graves. I happen to believe we still did the right thing!" an animated Blair said.
That's not genocide? WTF are you smoking man?

The idea that Saddam suddenly had a change of heart and chose to quit his WMD programs is so ridiculous I can't even contemplate it. For a decade he suffered under sanctions that were destroying his people just because he wanted to keep them. He could have gotten sanctions lifted at any time if had chosen to. He even refused to fully cooperate when there were 100,000 troops at his border. Saddam would have eventually (2008, 2010, whenever) gotten his hands on a nuclear weapon. Acting now saved lives that would have been lost from attacking him at some point in the future when his army was exponentially stronger (see the mess we're in with N. Korea) or a nuke showing up in one of our cities or, more realistically, Israel. Not to mention the humanitarian aspect. How anyone could claim that this war was immoral is beyond me. It doesn't get more black and white than this.

Kelgar wrote:Perhaps if you could find some real information from a less biased viewpoint, more people would take your arguments more seriously.
But a liberal Bush-hating Berkeley professor is somehow less biased? Sorry, you can't have it both ways.

And the idea that I care whether the most out of touch with reality person on this board (and that's saying a lot) takes me seriously is well...pretty out of touch with reality.

Kelgar wrote:Ah yes. This thread is now officially dead. Tardboy just unleashed pure pwnage with yet another brilliant one-liner. Move along now as there is nothing else worth seeing.
Wow, you even thought up the name Tardalas. Now theres some REAL ownage. Your condescending attitude coupled with your ignorance on a wide variety of topics is enough to make me puke. I really don't know what to do other than quote from the MASTER of flaming.

Kelgar wrote:No one will fault you for being some gimp who started playing EQ post velious,luclin, etc.
pwned...

/siiigh, do you all not fucking realize that no matter how many WMD Saddams regime had/has, they couldnt/wouldnt fucking use them...hell, even selling them would be hard as hell without them being traced,
do you seriously think in 10 years if it wasnt for the american invasion that
Iraq would try to nuke out new york or israel?

Chidoro · Post by **Chidoro** » August 9, 2003, 1:14 am

Fallanthas wrote:Forthe, just shut the fuck up. I JUST explained why you cannot show an increase with affecting the official unemployment number. If you are too lazy to scroll up and read it carefully, it's not my lookout.

Yes, it can. You just don't seem to understand that there are more than two figures in the calculation. This was already explained. Because you choose to ignore it doesn't make you correct. Sadly, it's quite the opposite.

You're wrong on this. It's not even a point of view, you just are. Move on to something that can be argued such as economic theories and the like as you cannot on this.

Jice Virago · Post by **Jice Virago** » August 9, 2003, 1:28 am

Metanis,

I am not going to bother debating it either, because if you call me leftist, then you are just to the right of Strom Thurmand. Fact is he did give up the fight for whatever reason, and it spared the country a lot of greif, as opposed to say the Star investigations that were one big fishing expedition at everyones expense yet continued long past the point of reason. It would have been very easy for Gore to fight the thing all the way and win or lose damage the stability of the US government. For whatever reason, he chose not to and did infact make a speach to the effect of telling people to put aside partisan politics and support the new president. Whether he was sincere or not is open to debate, but its a far cry from the master of sensitivity GW saying shit like "Homosexuals are evil" and the like.

Feel free to put whatever nodding head spin you want on it, facts here are pretty concrete. Gore did in fact make those statements. Bush did in fact plunge our diplomatic and economic credibility to the worst its been in litterally a century. The basis of democracy if that the people hold the leaders accountable for their actions and so far the GOP has nearly 100% stonewalled attempts to even get information about general information concerning the Iraqi situation. At least some of the information Bush used to drum up support for this war has proven to be forged, though predictably no one seems to be guilty of the actual forgery. And finally, the GOP would have won the last election handily if they had not railroaded the more centralist canadate off the ticket in favor of their hand picked bible thumping homophobic coke snorting good old boy.

If the GOP does not want liberal elements to resurface in the government, they damn well better start reigning in the exremism within their own ranks.

Xyun · Post by **Xyun** » August 9, 2003, 8:08 am

THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THE ECONOMY

hahahahhahahahahahhaha

The company I work for has gone from 5 stores three years ago down to 2 stores now. We have laid off appx. 150 employees and we're a fucking restaurant chain. Everyone I know is doing worse than they were 10 years ago except for the few people I know who work in real estate. But yeah, there's nothing wrong with the economy and all the unemployed people are techs.

And while Al Gore may be almost as boring as Brotha, he actually employs his brain.

I learned long ago that you cannot have an honest debate with the retard brigade and I pity those of you who try. Why waste your time trying to reconcile their parents' and educators' incompetence when it is much more fun to just make fun of how utterly fucking stupid they are, and bask in the knowledge that you yourself will never ever be THAT stupid? After all, their only redeeming quality is that they make me laugh.

Kelgar · Post by **Kelgar** » August 9, 2003, 8:15 am

Brotha wrote:
I wrote:
No one will fault you for being some gimp who started playing EQ post velious,luclin, etc.
pwned...

Ha ha. Well genius, it's quite easy to exclude the context in which that statement was made now wasn't it? I distinctly recall that this remark was related to your attempting to label Salis as some gimp newbie to Veeshan and VV. Anyone who has been around long enough knew that he was around on the old IGN boards, played since pre-Kunark, and basically retired mid-Velious. Like the genius you are, your arguments as to why his arguments were worth shit is because you thought he was some gimp who either didn't play on Veeshan or that a post count is really relevant in a debate.

Wow, you even thought up the name Tardalas. Now theres some REAL ownage. Your condescending attitude coupled with your ignorance on a wide variety of topics is enough to make me puke. I really don't know what to do other than quote from the MASTER of flaming.

I'm only condescending to those who I deem as too stupid to even serve use as a paperweight or doorstop. BTW, I'm not the one who fucking linked a 2 year old "report" with predictions that turned out as completely off the mark and espoused it as "fact". There's plenty of other good reasons why I and many others have long ago since typecast you as a total dipshit and mentally prepare ourselves to either retch or die laughing after reading your posts.

But a liberal Bush-hating Berkeley professor is somehow less biased? Sorry, you can't have it both ways.

And the idea that I care whether the most out of touch with reality person on this board (and that's saying a lot) takes me seriously is well...pretty out of touch with reality.

Find me a time where I quoted a Berkeley Professor or anyone who's opinion can reasonably be written off as mindless wingnut drivel. Stan Goff was a typical "save the world against those commies!" grunt before his experiences changed his worldviews. Charley Reese is by no means a liberal nor would I guess that most wives and family members of war veterans/draftees are liberals. The reality is, my entire life wasn't spent sequestered in some backwater shithole where the likes of Ann Coulter are revered as prophets.

Out of touch? I've been all over SE Asia for the past year and work for a multinational corporation in the ROC, regularly dealing with customers from all parts of Europe, Japan, Korea, etc, etc. I am exposed to a lot more perspective than your pathetic self ever will.

Keep fishing. Even a dumbass occasionally has a fish literally jump into his net.

*edit(s)* minor grammar mistakes

Sueven · Post by **Sueven** » August 9, 2003, 4:17 pm

Brotha: What was the largest act of genocide since the events surrounding world war two?

miir · Post by **miir** » August 9, 2003, 4:49 pm

Saddam would have eventually (2008, 2010, whenever) gotten his hands on a nuclear weapon. Acting now saved lives that would have been lost from attacking him at some point in the future when his army was exponentially stronger (see the mess we're in with N. Korea) or a nuke showing up in one of our cities or, more realistically, Israel.

Sorry, can you point out anything that shows that Saddam had been trying to get his hands on a nuclear device or had any semblance of a Nuclear weapons program?

While you're at it, can you show me anything that indicates Saddam Hussein had intentions to launch terrorist attacks against the USA or Israel?

Your government's propaganda has got you confusing Saddam Hussein with Osama Bin Laden, I think.

Do you think the USA should have free reign to invade and occupy any country that they suspect may be a threat in the future?
Should the USA be given an international exemption allowing them to depose any government they don't approve of?

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » August 9, 2003, 4:55 pm

Fallanthas · Post by **Fallanthas** » August 9, 2003, 5:43 pm

Meanwhile some 556,000 workers left the potential pool of workers, discouraged that no jobs were available.

Versus how many last month?

Chidoros contention is that the number of non-employed is rising. When you have something to support that feel free to post it. You do realize how slanted what you just posted is, right?

Chidoro, I understand there are more than two factors that go into the calculation of non-employed. One of the largest segments of this figure you can't seem to provide is the unemployable. Those who don't want to work.

So hang your hat on that illusionary figure if you like. It contains so many factors that the economy can't touch that it makes a very poor indicator of economic performance.

And once again, you have provided absolutely nothing to show the number is increasing. Why?

Fallanthas · Post by **Fallanthas** » August 9, 2003, 5:45 pm

Meanwhile some 556,000 workers left the potential pool of workers, discouraged that no jobs were available.

Versus how many last month?

Chidoros contention is that the number of non-employed is rising. When you have something to support that feel free to post it. You do realize how slanted what you just posted is, right?

Chidoro, I understand there are more than two factors that go into the calculation of non-employed. One of the largest segments of this figure you can't seem to provide is the unemployable. Those who don't want to work.

So hang your hat on that illusionary figure if you like. It contains so many factors that the economy can't touch that it makes a very poor indicator of economic performance.

And once again, you have provided absolutely nothing to show the number is increasing. Why?

Xyun,

Sorry to hear things aren't going well for you. Despite some shrinkage in retail markets, most people around here are doing OK. Maybe the new car purchase has to be put off this year, but nothing more significant than that. Seems like government employees are getting hit the worst with the shrinking tax revenue base.

Forthe · Post by **Forthe** » August 9, 2003, 6:11 pm

Fallanthas wrote:Once again, you CAN'T increase the number of displaced workers without showing an increase in unemployment. The only way this would happen is if not even one of those displaced asked for an unemployment benefit. If you are naiive enough to think that happens, I've got a bridge to sell you.

The US unemployment rate has fallen, but the drop was down to fewer workers searching for jobs rather than more jobs being created.
Official figures showed the jobless rate fell to 6.2% last month, down from 6.4% in June when US unemployment reached its highest level for nine years.

The data suggests that sluggish economic growth is still leading the US economy to shed jobs, with July seeing a net loss of 44,000 jobs, following a revised loss of 72,000 jobs in June.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/3117145.stm

Brotha · Post by **Brotha** » August 9, 2003, 8:03 pm

Jice Virago wrote:Whether he was sincere or not is open to debate, but its a far cry from the master of sensitivity GW saying shit like "Homosexuals are evil" and the like.

Gore didn't get the nickname "Sore Loserman for nothing." Metanis hit the nail right on the head. Once it was clear that Gore wasn't going to win he tried to save face by saying "unite behind the president blah blah blah." And when has Bush said homosexuals are evil? I doubt you meant that literally, but when has he even alluded to the fact that he had a problem with homosexuals?

Jice Virago wrote:Bush did in fact plunge our diplomatic and economic credibility to the worst its been in litterally a century.

Our economy is the worst its been in a century? What?

Jice Virago wrote:The basis of democracy if that the people hold the leaders accountable for their actions and so far the GOP has nearly 100% stonewalled attempts to even get information about general information concerning the Iraqi situation. At least some of the information Bush used to drum up support for this war has proven to be forged, though predictably no one seems to be guilty of the actual forgery.

What has the GOP done to stonewall it? That document didn't come from the US, it came from Italy most likely. So this one forged document equals "some" and is suddenly the basis for some kind of impeachment and proves that the path to war was paved by lies?

Kelgar wrote:I distinctly recall that this remark was related to your attempting to label Salis as some gimp newbie to Veeshan and VV.

Hahaha you really are a moron. I didn't call him a "newbie" in any way shape or form. His views were pretty fucked up IMO and I was honestly wondering who the fuck he was. I've never heard of half the people who post here and my post count has always fucking sucked. I found it hilarious that you instantly attacked me as "some gimp who started playing EQ post-velious." Like I said last post, after the way you owned Cart and me I needed to borrow something from the master of the internet himself.

Translation- after all the retarded shit you've posted, seeing you of all people trying to act condescending like you're some kind of genius was too much. I had to post an example of your stupidity.

And since I know your next step is to look back, post my original post, and pwn me with somemore EQ cock swinging, I'll save you the trouble of using the complex search engine.

Brotha wrote:Just as a reference point, who the fuck are you? You only have 26 posts so far and it's already pretty clear that atleast every other post is going to be a not-so-witty one liner that contributes nothing.

Granted I should have used "yet" or "but" instead of "and" but within context and based on my sucky post count it shouldn't have been too hard to figure out for a brainiac like you.

Kelgar wrote:BTW, I'm not the one who fucking linked a 2 year old "report" with predictions that turned out as completely off the mark and espoused it as "fact".

It was the first thing that appeared on google. If you want me to do another search to find an article defending the Bush tax cuts then just ask, but it's beyond pointless.

Kelgar wrote:Find me a time where I quoted a Berkeley Professor

Where did I say you did? I was referring to "the 2001 winner of the Nobel Prize for Economics" Gore was jizzing over.

Kelgar wrote:Out of touch? I've been all over SE Asia for the past year and work for a multinational corporation in the ROC, regularly dealing with customers from all parts of Europe, Japan, Korea, etc, etc. I am exposed to a lot more perspective than your pathetic self ever will.

From the looks of your posts you've only been exposed to exactly one perspective. I could give a shitless where your dumbass has traveled to.

Sueven wrote:Brotha: What was the largest act of genocide since the events surrounding world war two?

WASHINGTON - While the international media spotlight remains fixed on the war in Iraq, another war waged thousands of miles away in Central Africa has killed more people than any conflict since World War II, according to a report released this week by a major U.S.-based refugee advocacy group.

The International Rescue Committee (IRC) has completed a mortality study that estimates the number of dead caused by the five-year-old war in the Democratic Republic of Congo at more than 3.3 million, the largest toll of any conflict in recorded African history.

miir wrote:Sorry, can you point out anything that shows that Saddam had been trying to get his hands on a nuclear device or had any semblance of a Nuclear weapons program?

http://news.morningstar.com/news/DJ/M07 ... 60749.html

The report asserts that Baghdad "if left unchecked ... probably will have a nuclear weapon during this decade."

The report cites "high confidence" within the intelligence community that " Iraq could make a nuclear weapon in months to a year once it acquires sufficient weapons-grade fissile material."

Under the category of "moderate confidence," the report states that "Iraq does not yet have a nuclear weapon or sufficient material to make one but is likely to have a weapon by 2007 to 2009."

http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/06/ ... entrifuge/

The CIA has in its hands the critical parts of a key piece of Iraqi nuclear technology -- parts needed to develop a bomb program -- that were dug up in a back yard in Baghdad, CNN has learned.

The parts, with accompanying plans, were unearthed by Iraqi scientist Mahdi Obeidi who had hidden them under a rose bush in his garden 12 years ago under orders from Qusay Hussein and Saddam Hussein's then son-in-law, Hussein Kamel.

U.S. officials emphasized this was not evidence Iraq had a nuclear weapon -- but it was evidence the Iraqis concealed plans to reconstitute their nuclear program as soon as the world was no longer looking.

"I have very important things at my disposal that I have been ordered to have, to keep, and I've kept them, and I don't want this to proliferate, because of its potential consequences if it falls in the hands of tyrants, in the hands of dictators or of terrorists," said Obeidi, who has been taken out of Iraq with the help of the U.S. government.

Obeidi also said he was not the only scientist ordered to hide that type of equipment.

"I think there may be more than three other copies. And I think it is quite important to look at this list so they will not fall into the hands of the wrong people," he said.

miir wrote:While you're at it, can you show me anything that indicates Saddam Hussein had intentions to launch terrorist attacks against the USA or Israel?

Launching scuds at Israel in the first Gulf War. Paying and supplying terrorists who launch attacks inside Israel. Are you trying to say that Israel would have nothing to fear from a nuclear armed Saddam with a powerful army at his back?

I have no problem admitting that the link between Saddam and Al Qaeda were shaky at best. The threat was still there and he had to go.

miir wrote:Do you think the USA should have free reign to invade and occupy any country that they suspect may be a threat in the future?

Should the USA be given an international exemption allowing them to depose any government they don't approve of?

No and no.

Chew on this:

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/robe ... 0809.shtml

WASHINGTON -- Former international weapons inspector David Kay, now seeking Iraqi weapons of mass destruction for the Pentagon, has privately reported successes that are planned to be revealed to the public in mid-September.

Kay has told his superiors he has found substantial evidence of biological weapons in Iraq, plus considerable missile development. He has been less successful in locating chemical weapons, and has not yet begun a substantial effort to locate progress toward nuclear arms.

Senior officials in the Bush administration believe Kay's weapons discoveries should have been revealed as they were made. However, a decision, approved by President Bush, was made to wait until more was discovered and then announce it -- probably in September.

And also, from what I read, he's still very confident that actual chemical weapons will be found.

Kelgar · Post by **Kelgar** » August 9, 2003, 10:36 pm

It was the first thing that appeared on google. If you want me to do another search to find an article defending the Bush tax cuts then just ask, but it's beyond pointless.

This isn't something like "oops, maybe paragraphs 5 and 6 of this article paints this author as just another party-line wingnut who is rambling the same old shit" and maybe I should choose a better source which will be taken more seriously. This was a 2 year old fucking report. You've moreorless already admitted that you are a retard by syaing this. If taking the time to scan over an article at least once when trying to pass it off as a credible source isn't worth the effort, then why should anyone ever bother to take anything you quote from another website seriously?

Hahaha you really are a moron. I didn't call him a "newbie" in any way shape or form.

Uh huh. Then why reference to post count? What the fuck else is a 26 post count reference to other than trying to label someone as a newbie?

I found it hilarious that you instantly attacked me as "some gimp who started playing EQ post-velious

Just as I found it hilarious that you attacked him as being some loser n00b just because you had no clue who he is and only had 26 posts to his name at the time. Neither your lack of knowing who he was nor his post count has any relevence in a debate. Everyone here bashes everyone else's fucked up views, but no one here with exception of yourself ever tried to bring those two factors into discrediting another's views.

My attack unto you was basically to highlight the fact that no one knows who the fuck you are nor remembers seeing your sorry ass in game and that it was hilarious to see a fucking nobody like yourself pull that card.

Translation- after all the retarded shit you've posted, seeing you of all people trying to act condescending like you're some kind of genius was too much. I had to post an example of your stupidity.

I'll repeat myself one last time, I'm condescending to people who I've mentally categorized as hopeless dipshits who will never "get it". Right now, only 3 people from VV populate this list with 1 on the cusp. 2 of them are old farts and are likely unredeemable. Maybe after you enlist and get permanently maimed from some pointless, ill-contrived, bullshit, resource grabbing military venture , it'll make you rethink a few things. I'm not holding my breath though.

Xyun · Post by **Xyun** » August 10, 2003, 2:21 am

Neither your lack of knowing who he was nor his post count has any relevence in a debate. Everyone here bashes everyone else's fucked up views, but no one here with exception of yourself ever tried to bring those two factors into discrediting another's views.

A+

I knew Brotha way back in the day when I was in OG. I forgot his main characters name at the time, I just remember he decided to switch to his monk. I also remember him being a crybaby. That's about it.

Jice Virago · Post by **Jice Virago** » August 10, 2003, 6:51 am

Brotha if you can't see the entire GOP towing the party line to shoot down every single proposal to obtain even GENERAL information about the Iraqi invasion and its logistics (which in many cases are required to be provided to them at regular intervals by law) and the dirty pool they used to get Bush past the primaries when he was getting his ass handed to him early on, then there is no point in engaging in real debate with you. My point is simply this: The GOP needs to start holding its own bullshit element in check or the backlash is going to put another dyed in the wool liberal in power. Reagan was the most popular republican president of the modern era, but the GOP lost control of first congress and then the presidency by catering to extremism within their party. Same thing happened in reverse during the Clinton years because he started off too liberal, but then wised up and took a centrist route. Carter had the same problem but he wasn't as savvy as Slick Willy and stuck to his liberal guns. Bush is a gay hater, anti abortion proponent, and a willing ally to the far religeous right; these are things he himself has made public. When you court extremism, you invite backlash. If Oil Baron boy keeps this shit up he will be the catalyst that makes President Hilary feasable.

Chidoro · Post by **Chidoro** » August 10, 2003, 9:13 am

edit

not worth it. thanks for telling me how i've been wrong all this time. I only have a MBA and been in the field for 12 years. On the other, hand you shoot animals with arrows.

Prove to me I'm wrong ohh genius.

Brotha · Post by **Brotha** » August 10, 2003, 12:22 pm

Kelgar wrote:Uh huh. Then why reference to post count? What the fuck else is a 26 post count reference to other than trying to label someone as a newbie?

Ok I'll bold something for the reading comprehension impaired.

Brotha wrote:Just as a reference point, who the fuck are you? You only have 26 posts so far and it's already pretty clear that atleast every other post is going to be a not-so-witty one liner that contributes nothing.

If you need me to post definitions and explain what I meant in detail just ask, but I'm going to take a leap of faith and assume that you can figure this out on your own. The rest of your "argument" is you grasping at straws. Attacking me IN GAME when we're discussing politics. Pretty sad. Next step is to find a few spelling errors, but alas, I don't spell check things. You should have np with that.

Kelgar wrote:Right now, only 3 people from VV populate this list with 1 on the cusp. 2 of them are old farts and are likely unredeemable.

You and miir are two of the most illogical, irrational people I've ever seen. You're pretty much the only reason why I bother coming to VV- your retarded views are so transparent and easy to tear apart that I actually rub my hands in anticipation of one your posts.

Xyun wrote:I knew Brotha way back in the day when I was in OG. I forgot his main characters name at the time, I just remember he decided to switch to his monk. I also remember him being a crybaby. That's about it.

I never switched to a monk. Find someone who knew me well who considers me a cry baby- good luck. Didn't you or Braxter fall of isle 2 of poa, cry when we wouldn't port you right back up, then de guild?

Sueven · Post by **Sueven** » August 10, 2003, 2:09 pm

He used to be Uael. He switched to Brotha, who is a warrior.

Brotha: The war in the Congo is not commonly considered genocide, at least by the governing bodies that generally pronounce such things. It is accepted that the largest act of genocide was in Rwanda, where at least 800,000 people were slaughtered, most hacked to death with machetes.

It's nice to know that you're so concerned about genocide around the world though.

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » August 10, 2003, 3:47 pm

Brotha- Its fun to see what Hockey Helmet Harry (Kelgar) is going to post today.

Uael · Post by **Uael** » August 10, 2003, 4:48 pm

He used to be Uael. He switched to Brotha, who is a warrior.

What? Nobody has ever been me except me. BTW, who are you, and who the fuck is Brotha?

Sueven · Post by **Sueven** » August 10, 2003, 5:03 pm

My fault. He used to be a necro and I thought it was you.

Don't ask me who I am.

Uael · Post by **Uael** » August 10, 2003, 8:14 pm

No problem

Kelgar · Post by **Kelgar** » August 10, 2003, 9:49 pm

You and miir are two of the most illogical, irrational people I've ever seen. You're pretty much the only reason why I bother coming to VV- your retarded views are so transparent and easy to tear apart that I actually rub my hands in anticipation of one your posts.

So says the retard who posted a link to a two year old article whose predictions turned out to be way off.

Next.

Xyun · Post by **Xyun** » August 11, 2003, 1:13 am

I never switched to a monk. Find someone who knew me well who considers me a cry baby- good luck. Didn't you or Braxter fall of isle 2 of poa, cry when we wouldn't port you right back up, then de guild?

You, sir, are retarded. If I actually did fall off the island, which didn't happen, I wouldn't be too worried about a port up. I had a myriad of options at my disposal. I could go elsewhere and xp as most of the guild members did during raids, I could log off, or I could just go back up because I'M A FUCKING WIZARD you goddamn imbecile.

So you are saying that you never played another character, only your monk? I remember people asking you to play your main character (I think enchanter?) on raids but instead you would play Brotha and xp. Not that it matters now, I'm sure you are still and always will be a gimp.

It was the first thing that appeared on google. If you want me to do another search to find an article defending the Bush tax cuts then just ask, but it's beyond pointless.

ROFL. How many pages of google search did you have to go through to find this article? I just did a google search on Bush tax cuts. In the first 3 pages, I found a single article defending the tax cuts. It was in fact a piece of written shit.

So yes, please do another search and find an UNBIASED report done by a CREDIBLE SOURCE on exactly how the Bush tax cuts have actually helped the economy. Before you do that though, you should practice learning how to read. Start with Dr. Seuss or something simple. That way maybe, just maybe, you will actually READ shit before you post it here.

miir · Post by **miir** » August 11, 2003, 2:49 am

So yes, please do another search and find an UNBIASED report done by a CREDIBLE SOURCE on exactly how the Bush tax cuts have actually helped the economy

I prefer he link sites like townhall.com
That's a quality web site.

Raistin · Post by **Raistin** » August 11, 2003, 3:36 am

or I could just go back up because I'M A FUCKING WIZARD you goddamn imbecile.

Of anything Ive seen of people accused of. That reply has to be the best. Not only does he show how fucking stupid you are, he also shows how much BULLSHIT you make up. A wizard cry over falling off a island in sky and bitching about getting a port back up. Rofl!

vn_Tanc · Post by **vn_Tanc** » August 11, 2003, 5:41 am

vn_Tanc wrote:
The UN then "quibbles" about such trifles as international law when the US decides to attack Iraq on a whim.

On a WHIM? Do I need to recite the past history of Iraq and the numerous broken resolutions? Do I need to recite the events leading up to the invasion- the invasion that could have been stopped simply by Saddam fully and completely complying? I think you know the history as well as I do, but the thought that some racist cowboy president randomly decided to attack a Muslin country is more agreeable with your views. Keep your head buried though, it's warm down there.

Yeah a whim. But that's beside the point. The point is about international law and the UNs upholding thereof. The US acted without the backing of the international community. That's a fact. I don't see how you can even try to argue it.

vn_Tanc wrote:
All the bullshit you CONTINUE to spew about threats of WMD, terrorism, genocide have been SHOWN TO BE FALSE.

http://edition.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/europ ... lair.trip/

WTF is this? A link to an article where Tony Blair says he still believes WMD will be found? OMG MY LEADER SAID IT SO I MUST FALL DOWN AND AGREE!!!!
Sorry chump but things don't work that way around here. I voted for Blair but this entire farago has shown him to be either a liar or incompetent and I will not support such a leader. I know in the US you all fall into line when the leader says so but that stinks of nationalism around here. In the UK we use our brains and question our leaders. It keeps them on their toes.

Brotha · Post by **Brotha** » August 11, 2003, 6:53 am

Xyun wrote:I could go elsewhere and xp as most of the guild members did during raids, I could log off, or I could just go back up because I'M A FUCKING WIZARD you goddamn imbecile.

If I remember correctly you and Braxter both played his character- a paladin. I wasn't sure which of you was playing him at the time. I don't apologize if I'm thinking of somebody else (which I probably am)- you're still a whiny little bitch.

Xyun wrote:So you are saying that you never played another character, only your monk? I remember people asking you to play your main character (I think enchanter?) on raids but instead you would play Brotha and xp. Not that it matters now, I'm sure you are still and always will be a gimp.

People asking me to play my main character because I was skipping raids? WHAT THE FUCK? Anytime a raid popped up, even if it was some mundane epic crap, I was there. This is the most stupid shit anyone has ever accused me of, I'm not surprised in the least that it's coming from you though.

I pissed off a good amount people when I played EQ but one thing I was never called by any of them was a crybaby.

For future reference- I'm not going to respond to this baseless shit anymore.

Xyun wrote:How many pages of google search did you have to go through to find this article?

That was the very first thing that popped up when I was looking for something defending the 2001 tax cut that wasn't your typical cnn article mentioning it offhand. It was a pretty stupid thing to post I admit. I opened it up, scanned it, and threw it in.

vn_Tanc wrote:The US acted without the backing of the international community. That's a fact. I don't see how you can even try to argue it.

Where am I trying to argue that?

vn_Tanc wrote:WTF is this? A link to an article where Tony Blair says he still believes WMD will be found? OMG MY LEADER SAID IT SO I MUST FALL DOWN AND AGREE!!!!

Uhh I quoted the part relating to genocide...

"We know, according to the U.N., and not the British Government, there are some 300,000 missing people and 80 mass graves. I happen to believe we still did the right thing!" an animated Blair said.

I'm going to leave you all with an interesting quote:

"The economy was slipping into recession even before Bush took office, and the corporate scandals that are rocking America began much earlier." Joseph E. Stiglitz, former Chairman of President Clinton's Council of Economic Advisors, 10/02

Xyun · Post by **Xyun** » August 11, 2003, 7:17 am

I pissed off a good amount people when I played EQ but one thing I was never called by any of them was a crybaby.

What was your main character's name again at the time? That will clarify it for me.

Kelgar · Post by **Kelgar** » August 11, 2003, 7:42 am

Tardalas wrote:Brotha- Its fun to see what Hockey Helmet Harry (Kelgar) is going to post today.

Hockey Helmet Harry? I don't know what is more pathetic; your sad attempts at flaming or the fact that you can't attribute any of your stupidity to frying a few brain cells during a reckless/experimenting youth.

Yes everyone! He is just naturally this fucking retarded!

Sadly, evolution hasn't exactly been allowed to take its natural course since humans came to dominate this planet. The whole bullshit concept sanctity of life has allowed legions of dumbfucks life yourself to thrive. If I had absolutely nothing better to do with my life, I would devote it towards genetically engineering a virus that targets stupid motherfuckers such as yourself. The only problem is, I'd have a hard time going through with it because I like big-titted, blonde, vacuous chicks who can suck the chrome off a bumper and it would be a sad, sad thing to see them go as well.

Brotha · Post by **Brotha** » August 11, 2003, 7:49 am

Xyun wrote:What was your main character's name again at the time? That will clarify it for me.

When my mage, Fendiwen, got to like 34 I joined OG. Levelled him to 48. I was getting sick of a mage and fixing to quit EQ, then my friend Prowl (a 51 nec who was been in OG too) quit and passed his acct onto me. This was a month or two before velious came out I guess. Prowl remained my main for about five or six months until I made Brotha, a barbarian warrior.

So the answer to your question: you knew me as Prowl at the time I'm talking about.

Brotha · Post by **Brotha** » August 11, 2003, 8:30 am

Kelgar wrote: The only problem is, I'd have a hard time going through with it because I like big-titted, blonde, vacuous chicks who can suck the chrome off a bumper and it would be a sad, sad thing to see them go as well.

I'm willing to bet the only time you've seen one of these "big-titted, blonde vacuous chicks who can suck the chrome off a bumper" with no brain is when, after a non-stop two day EQ levelling marathon, you began hallucinating and saw the wood elf mangina Millie step out of the monitor, come to life, and then, as she stared at you in wonderment (obviously awed at your ability to master an internet roleplaying game), give you the best and only blow job you've had in your entire waste of a life. Of course, I'm sure afterwards as your fingers were sticking to the keyboard and impeding your ability to play at maximum efficiency you realized that something was up, but man...someone had finally seen past the insecurity, obesity, and odor that just would not go away no matter how long you spent soaking in the ocean of tears, and saw you for who you REALLY were - Kelgar, badass of Everquest, poster of ingenius political observations on internet messageboards...basically the perfect culmination of billions of years of evolution.

Kelgar · Post by **Kelgar** » August 11, 2003, 8:44 am

/golfclap

Take a bow. That was truly a masterpiece....maybe in the vast depths of nothingness which is your mind.

Kelgar · Post by **Kelgar** » August 11, 2003, 8:51 am

Prowl?

Well that explains things. Back in the latter stages of my ROS days when it wasn't uncommon for us to work with OG every now and then, I recall a few guildmates mentioning what a whiny cockknobber you were.

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » August 11, 2003, 9:38 am

Kelgar wrote:Prowl?

Well that explains things. Back in the latter stages of my ROS days when it wasn't uncommon for us to work with OG every now and then, I recall a few guildmates mentioning what a whiny cockknobber you were.

Oh fuck now I remember you in game /snicker. How do you find time? My little Cock Gobbler, I know truck stops have high speed Internet and all.

Fallanthas · Post by **Fallanthas** » August 11, 2003, 10:00 am

not worth it. thanks for telling me how i've been wrong all this time. I only have a MBA and been in the field for 12 years. On the other, hand you shoot animals with arrows.

Yeah, obviously my college degree is nullified by shootin arrers at them critters. When you can wrap your head around the term "applied physics", come back and try again.

Xyun · Post by **Xyun** » August 11, 2003, 10:48 am

ROFL!

What does applied physics have to do with economics?

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » August 11, 2003, 10:53 am

Xyun wrote:ROFL!

What does applied physics have to do with economics?

It does It does, I know when I open my wallet money flies out.

Kelgar · Post by **Kelgar** » August 11, 2003, 11:31 am

Tardboy wrote: Oh fuck now I remember you in game /snicker. How do you find time?.

Lol. I remember you very well though! I've never seen a speedbump bitch and squeal louder in all my playing days. Does your bunghole still involuntarily expand with anticipation whenever you see a giant fire elemental?

My little Cock Gobbler, I know truck stops have high speed Internet and all

Still trying to tag the white-trash label onto me? You sure are uncomfortable with yourself aren't you? Does being an inbred, redneck, shotgun-toting, slack-jawed yokel secretly anguish yourself so much that you need to resort to making feeble attempts at pinning me as one of your own? Keep trying. Maybe you will it hard enough, I'll turn white, quit my EE related R&D job, find some trailer park whore to marry (your wife/sister got any other sisters?), learn how to drive an 18-wheeler, and start listening to country.

You probably should have played a wizard. I suppose it would mirror your RL pursuits fairly well.

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » August 11, 2003, 11:35 am

Kelgar wrote:
Tardboy wrote: Oh fuck now I remember you in game /snicker. How do you find time?.
Lol. I remember you very well though! I've never seen a speedbump bitch and squeal louder in all my playing days. Does your bunghole still involuntarily expand with anticipation whenever you see a giant fire elemental?

My little Cock Gobbler, I know truck stops have high speed Internet and all
Still trying to tag the white-trash label onto me? You sure are uncomfortable with yourself aren't you? Does being an inbred, redneck, shotgun-toting, slack-jawed yokel secretly anguish yourself so much that you need to resort to making feeble attempts at pinning me as one of your own? Keep trying. Maybe you will it hard enough, I'll turn white, quit my EE related R&D job, find some trailer park whore to marry (your wife/sister got any other sisters?), learn how to drive an 18-wheeler, and start listening to country.

You probably should have played a wizard. I suppose it would mirror your RL pursuits fairly well.

Hey one Question when kids are pumping their fist do you blow the horn? I love it when truckers do that.

Fallanthas · Post by **Fallanthas** » August 11, 2003, 12:34 pm

Xyun,

Do try to keep up. You are wasting the class's time here.

My ability to think was questioned based on the fact that I hunt with a bow and arrow. Considering using a bow, not to mention building them is an excersize in mathematics and applied physics, it was a very stupid thing to say.

Xyun · Post by **Xyun** » August 11, 2003, 12:59 pm

My ability to think was questioned based on the fact that I hunt with a bow and arrow.

Well I don't question your ability to think based on your hunting skeels, I question it based on the fact that every single post you make is filled with moronic drivel.

Fallanthas · Post by **Fallanthas** » August 11, 2003, 1:04 pm

Yes, compared to your current contributions to this discussion, mine are not worthy!

Go play in traffic or something. Come back when you can stay on topic.

Vetiria · Post by **Vetiria** » August 11, 2003, 2:19 pm

Since when does being a trucker make you white trash? Seems to me, being away from your family for 5 days at a time and coming home with a bank account full of money doesn't make you white trash.

Cartalas, you're a fucking idiot. I think we should just start putting that in our signatures so we don't have to keep typing it out.