So do you believe someone is guilty until presumed innocent?
This was a one time thing. They aren't sure at all if this even happened. It's one persons accusation. She is a stripper and lacks a smidge of credibility. If somehow, it is proven she was forceably raped and not just feeling horrible for taking on three guys, then those guys are scuma nd should be shot in the fucking head. Anyone who would do that to a woman is the lowest of the low.Sylvus wrote:Could you please rephrase that question without using the word "if"?
It doesn't matter anyway, he doesn't conduct his life the way Duke Lacrosse players do. He would never be suspected of such a thing, therefore that would never happen to him.
That said, when the police were collecting evidence on the Lacrosse players, they probably should have saved some time by not getting a warrant, and just kicking down the doors of the 47 people at the party and beating the shit out of them until they agreed to let them search the place and provide dna samples.
What we have right there is a great linenoel wrote:Clorox bathroom cleaner is tough on scum. You're a dumbass.Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:I'll answer that. I was being honest. You call that being a dumbass. I consider it being tough on scum.Aslanna wrote:Do you honestly think Midnyte was trolling and not being his typical dumbass self?Niffoni wrote:How are they biting today?
*starts in on a sixer*
So when your son enter college and decide to sell a little weed on the side (note, were talking guilty of it here, not just assuming), its totally ok for the cops to break down your door, ignore you tyring to figure out whats going on, go to your sons room, search it without a warrant, then beat him up till he sign a confession?Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:Did you even listen to the clip? He's guilty. I don't care whether hes gone through the process or not yet. Listen to the clip. He's a scumbag. I have no feelings for him at all. I hope for his sake he turns his life around, he won't, or his family members learn from this.
OJ wasn't guilty either, but he was guilty wasn't he? You been Juiced!
I would never sue the cops for beating my son for selling dope. If he becomes a fuck up like that then he desrves what he gets. Why would he being my son change the way I feel?Hesten wrote:So when your son enter college and decide to sell a little weed on the side (note, were talking guilty of it here, not just assuming), its totally ok for the cops to break down your door, ignore you tyring to figure out whats going on, go to your sons room, search it without a warrant, then beat him up till he sign a confession?Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:Did you even listen to the clip? He's guilty. I don't care whether hes gone through the process or not yet. Listen to the clip. He's a scumbag. I have no feelings for him at all. I hope for his sake he turns his life around, he won't, or his family members learn from this.
OJ wasn't guilty either, but he was guilty wasn't he? You been Juiced!
From what youre saying here, your response to that should to tell your son its well deserved, and tell the cops that they did a great job.
So will that be your response, or would you try to sue the hell out of them?
DAD!!!!!!!!Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:I would never sue the cops for beating my son for selling dope. If he becomes a fuck up like that then he desrves what he gets. Why would he being my son change the way I feel?Hesten wrote:So when your son enter college and decide to sell a little weed on the side (note, were talking guilty of it here, not just assuming), its totally ok for the cops to break down your door, ignore you tyring to figure out whats going on, go to your sons room, search it without a warrant, then beat him up till he sign a confession?Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:Did you even listen to the clip? He's guilty. I don't care whether hes gone through the process or not yet. Listen to the clip. He's a scumbag. I have no feelings for him at all. I hope for his sake he turns his life around, he won't, or his family members learn from this.
OJ wasn't guilty either, but he was guilty wasn't he? You been Juiced!
From what youre saying here, your response to that should to tell your son its well deserved, and tell the cops that they did a great job.
So will that be your response, or would you try to sue the hell out of them?
or maybe they'll learn to hate policemen ,, and maybe they'll kill one later in life because of a torn up family scene from having a father in prison and having been traumatized at a young age as they heard their father beeing tortured.Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:Actions have consequences. Maybe his family will learn from his mistakes.Keverian FireCry wrote:Midnyte you really are a sick fuck. He did drugs and he deserves to get unlawfully beaten to shit by cops and tortured while his family is in the other room?
You would have made a PERFECT hitler youth, you gestapo loving peice of shit.
So all the cops in the world need to keep you around as a yardstick for who the police are allowed to beat and torture and who they are supposed to uphold the constitution with? or possibly the town council can appoint a local fuckheaded retard to the job for them based around arbitrary criteria set out by you?Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:This was a one time thing. They aren't sure at all if this even happened. It's one persons accusation. She is a stripper and lacks a smidge of credibility. If somehow, it is proven she was forceably raped and not just feeling horrible for taking on three guys, then those guys are scuma nd should be shot in the fucking head. Anyone who would do that to a woman is the lowest of the low.
They are really 2 totally different situations.
I agree. That is why we have our judicial system. I personally don't give a fuck about criminal scum bags.laneela wrote:The thing I find "slightly" hypocritical is that he has such a huge disdain for criminals but doesn't see how what the police did is criminal in and of itself.
Mid - why is the crime that the police commited not worthy of your contempt and why do you or these individual policemen get to choose what punishment fits what bill? Your mentality is exactly why we have due process and why punitive or rehabilitation methods can not be left up to an individual. Obviously, you consider a drug dealer a far worse criminal than a person who is supposed to protect us and abuses their power by beating someone senseless who may be innocent with their children in the next room. I personally don't. This is exactly why there is a jury system and why what they did is so wrong.
Right. What you would consider. You are more apt to follow the letter of the law and always give people the benefit of the doubt. I think that's fantastic. I'm not so nice. If someone has shown a history of being a scumbag, I tend to to never give them the benefit of the doubt. That guy had a history and by listening to that tape, it sounds justified. I have no problem with what the cops did. They got caught and the tape got out so, unfortunately they need to prolly lose their jobs. They cannot go around doing things like that, unless they can do it without getting caught:) Then, I don't mind. Understand?noel wrote:I'm not even sure it has anything to do with intelligence. When I make a negative comment about you, what I'm really saying is that your morality/values are so fucked up, they're incomprehensible to people with what I would consider normal morality/values.
Doesn't not following the letter of the law make you a criminal?Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:You are more apt to follow the letter of the law and always give people the benefit of the doubt.
I stand corrected. You have changed my opinion. Thank you.noel wrote:Doesn't not following the letter of the law make you a criminal?Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:You are more apt to follow the letter of the law and always give people the benefit of the doubt.
I'm all for people who are convicted of crimes being punished, but the process, the law is black and white. There are not shades of gray, nor should there be. Especially when you're talking about some of the highest laws in our land. Loving this country means loving the constitution.
Hehehe.. it's always funny to me when people talk about the constitution like it's immutable, but are only actually interested in ammendments to it.noel wrote:Doesn't not following the letter of the law make you a criminal?Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:You are more apt to follow the letter of the law and always give people the benefit of the doubt.
I'm all for people who are convicted of crimes being punished, but the process, the law is black and white. There are not shades of gray, nor should there be. Especially when you're talking about some of the highest laws in our land. Loving this country means loving the constitution.
I don't know what gave you the impression that I think the Constitution is immutable (or should be) but I apologize if that's the impression I gave.Zaelath wrote:Hehehe.. it's always funny to me when people talk about the constitution like it's immutable, but are only actually interested in ammendments to it.
You talk about common decency to criminals. I prefer to save my common decency to those who haven't give me reason to strip them of it. I'll discuss common decency with regular normal everyday people and we will agree all day long. You want to give the same exact decency to known scum bags even though they haven't been found guilty in our judicial system. I on the other hand am more than willing to show less decency to them.Zaelath wrote:
That said, Midnyte's either trolling or a grand wizard, either way it makes more sense to spend your time seeing how much jello you can stuff into your undies than talking about common decency to him.
Which brings us right back around to "innocent until proven guilty". Fuck you, I'm sick of the merry-go-round, I'm going to play on the swings.Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:You talk about common decency to criminals. I prefer to save my common decency to those who haven't give me reason to strip them of it. I'll discuss common decency with regular normal everyday people and we will agree all day long. You want to give the same exact decency to known scum bags even though they haven't been found guilty in our judicial system. I on the other hand am more than willing to show less decency to them.Zaelath wrote:
That said, Midnyte's either trolling or a grand wizard, either way it makes more sense to spend your time seeing how much jello you can stuff into your undies than talking about common decency to him.
I think that would be:noel wrote:I don't know what gave you the impression that I think the Constitution is immutable (or should be) but I apologize if that's the impression I gave.Zaelath wrote:Hehehe.. it's always funny to me when people talk about the constitution like it's immutable, but are only actually interested in ammendments to it.
I don't think the two are really connected at all, and I think all true patriots should probably not like one or two things in the constitution because they could be changed for the better of the country.Loving this country means loving the constitution.
There's two basic points everyone has tried to make and you're blinding yourself to them:Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:You make your jokes. I'll side with the cops all day long. When the cops fuck up they might beat the fuck out of a suspect. When a scum bag fucks up they might kill an innocent person just trying to live a decent life.
I don't agree. I think what makes America a great country (aside from or ridiculous amount of land and wealth of natural resources) is the laws we were founded on... largely represented by the Constitution. Sure there are people and places that make this country great, but I believe that our national identity is largely in that document. For me personally there's not a lot of changes that I would currently like to see, but the true beauty of that document is the very fact that it was designed to change over time.Zaelath wrote:I don't think the two are really connected at all, and I think all true patriots should probably not like one or two things in the constitution because they could be changed for the better of the country.
