But it IS texas, c'mon guy..Hoarmurath wrote:Wow, way to generalize.Jice Virago wrote:Disgusted, yes. But its texas. The normal laws of rational thought have no impact there. It is the biggest shithole of human waste on the entire planet, outside of certain hell holes in the third world. They have no grasp of reality or history there, and are proud of that.
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I agree with you in that we all like to internally spin and whitewash the actions of our forbearers, to make us feel better about where we come from (no one wants to admit their ancestor was a murderer/theif/etc)... but please don't lose sight that you are doing some of this as well.Kylere wrote:Of course you feel your country treated the natives better, that is called ethnocentrism. It may not be the truth, but it is what I expect people to think, people should give their own country a bit of slack.
With today's ethical perspective I agree with you, but we can look at history and say the same things about the Israelites, Eqyptians, Romans, Mongols and other groups. We can say it about North American tribes who went to war and committed genocide on each other as well (such as the Cree who started in NE North America and eliminated/assimilated other tribes until they are all thats left across most of Northern Canada in the last couple hundred years). It can't be changed: most "Europeans" in North America, be they of British, Spanish, German, French or any other heritage, have been here long enough that this is our home too, and we're not about to concede it for someone else's historical angst.Kylere wrote:I am not slamming you for it, but the harsh cold reality is that their was no excuse for europeans tromping all over the place and announcing to the people already living there that they were explorers and had just discovered the place.
This is where I ask for your facts and sources, because you seem distinctly ignorant on what you are posting. I am a Canadian and I have lived my entire life close to natives. They have ALL the rights and privileges that I do, plus some that were signed into "treaty rights" by their ancestors. They have equal access to all social programs and in some case have additional programs tailored specifically to them (such as additional hunting and fishing rights, additional access to post secondary education, some tax exemptions depending on the business and location, etc). Personally I think it is wrong that they are held seperate by said programs, as I feel its wrong that the French minority in Canada is coddled by the same ideas of a "distinct society", as it does nothing but breed resentment (and eventually hatred) such as Atokal gave voice to: a sense of "why do you get something I don't get?".Kylere wrote:Modern day Canada does provide some bennies to natives, on about the same level as the States provide, but the natives are still treated very much more like second class citizens than in the states. Of course if the states had not enslaved hundreds of thousands of africans, maybe they would put natives in that spot.
I stole nothing therefore I owe nothing, just as I expect nothing from the descendants of the Romans who enslaved and subjugated my Germanic and British ancestors. As alluded to above, I think we are getting into the ridiculous in terms of trying to atone for crimes our forbearers may or may not have committed... especially to others who may have committed the same acts. Its history: learn from it and move on. By the same token I do not feel this absolves us from any treaty agreements that may be in effect with descendants of various tribes if the treaties specify this. But in both the native and French contexts in Canada at least, maintaining "distinct societies" is nothing but a breeding ground for bigotry.Forthe wrote:As to people like Atokol that begrudge them what they have...how much wealth have we gotten from the resources we've stole from these people? We owe them far more than we give them.
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Wasn't even a third of the way down the first page in here.Houston Chronicle:
The Minutemen will come to Houston bearing arms.
Leaders of the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps of Texas had earlier said volunteers observing Houston's day laborers in October would carry nothing but video cameras.
But leaders now say those involved in the operations targeting local illegal immigrants will be allowed to carry arms as long as they comply with all federal and state laws.
In fact, those who have a concealed-weapons permit are being offered a discount on joining the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps. An Arizona-based organization, the Minutemen started out by patrolling the Arizona-Mexico border in April to prevent illegal immigrants from crossing, but the group has announced it will conduct a variety of operations here this fall.
Members are normally charged $50 to join, with the money used to conduct a criminal background check. Those with a valid concealed-weapons permit can have that fee waived, since they already have undergone a background check and met other requirements, such as a handgun course, to get the permit, said George Klages, spokesman for the Minutemen in Houston.
Klages said the Minutemen are all responsible, law-abiding citizens, and the use of arms will not cause problems here.
"About 50 or 60 percent of our members are veterans," he said. "These are people who know how to handle a weapon."
But critics worry about the Minutemen carrying arms in the city, and they think the group is giving special incentives to those able to carry concealed weapons.
"They only want people who are armed," said Juan Alvarez, a member of the Coalition Against Intolerance and For Respect, a newly formed group advocating for Houston day laborers. "It will incite violence."
Bill Parmley, the original leader of the Minuteman Texas chapter, said he had discouraged the use of weapons, particularly in urban operations such as the observations of the day laborers who wait for work on Houston streets.
Parmley resigned last month, citing racism among local members in the Goliad chapter. He now says he worries about the Minutemen being armed.
"Just because you can pass one of these concealed-weapons courses doesn't mean you have the mental capability to carry a firearm," he said.
Nationally, the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps has no policy forbidding members from carrying arms.
"We actually prefer that everyone have a concealed-weapons permit," said Chris Simcox, the head of the group.
But Simcox said weapons will be less important in a place like Houston than on the border, which is more dangerous and more remote.
Simcox has gotten in trouble with the law for being armed.
In January 2003, Simcox was arrested by federal agents, accused of entering Coronado National Monument in Arizona while armed.
He was convicted of entering a federal park with a loaded weapon and offering false information to a federal officer, both misdemeanors, and was sentenced to two years' probation, court records show.
Simcox noted that there were no signs marking the park boundary, and that park rangers seemed to be waiting for him.
Houston police are aware that some of the Minutemen will be armed, and officers will make sure that all laws are obeyed, said Lt. Robert Manzo, an HPD spokesman.