McCain will be the next U.S. President (IMO)

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » July 11, 2008, 4:41 pm

Fairweather Pure wrote:He also confessed he can't send email and dosen't know how to use a computer. People are going to vote for a man that cannot even use a computer. I think that says a lot about a voter right there.

Did you see him trying to respond to the question about insurance companies that pay for Viagra but not for birth control? What a wreck. It looked like he aged another 5 years during that awkward exchange.

There's the arrogance again. He can't do somethign you can do, therefore he couldn't possibly be qualified to do what he does. *sigh*

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » July 11, 2008, 5:02 pm

I can't think of a single executive that can use a computer. The email bit is a bit shaky, but not uncommon either.

Aardor · Post by **Aardor** » July 11, 2008, 5:27 pm

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:
Fairweather Pure wrote:He also confessed he can't send email and dosen't know how to use a computer. People are going to vote for a man that cannot even use a computer. I think that says a lot about a voter right there.

Did you see him trying to respond to the question about insurance companies that pay for Viagra but not for birth control? What a wreck. It looked like he aged another 5 years during that awkward exchange.
There's the arrogance again. He can't do somethign you can do, therefore he couldn't possibly be qualified to do what he does. *sigh*

I think it more shows how out of touch he is with the current state of nation (technology, social wise). This very much scares me, because McCain is Anti-Net Neutrality, but he doe not even understand what the internet is (this issue has been brought up on slashdot multiple times). Not that I expect you respond to this in a reasonable manner.

Canelek wrote:I can't think of a single executive that can use a computer. The email bit is a bit shaky, but not uncommon either.

There are quite a few, I am sure. You're probably right that it's no uncommon, but at this point I think that it should start becoming more common. Like I said above, it shows how out of touch you are with the general public of the nation you live in (my 60 year old parents are able to functionally use a computer, as are all of their friends, none of whom are particularly handy with technology, so I am not just talking about 40 or 30 or 20 and younger).

Spang · Post by **Spang** » July 11, 2008, 5:36 pm

My 80ish year old grandfather can use a computer. He sends and receives email regularly. In fact, I don't know anyone in my family who can't use a computer. Maybe my grandmother, but she's not running for president.

miir · Post by **miir** » July 11, 2008, 5:44 pm

I've worked for all the major banks in Canada and every exec I have dealt with has been very computer literate.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » July 11, 2008, 5:50 pm

miir wrote:I've worked for all the major banks in Canada and every exec I have dealt with has been very computer literate.

I've worked for some very large companies and encountered many top level execs who were computer illiterate.

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » July 11, 2008, 5:54 pm

Aardor wrote: I think it more shows how out of touch he is with the current state of nation (technology, social wise). This very much scares me, because McCain is Anti-Net Neutrality, but he doe not even understand what the internet is (this issue has been brought up on slashdot multiple times). Not that I expect you respond to this in a reasonable manner.

Canelek wrote:I can't think of a single executive that can use a computer. The email bit is a bit shaky, but not uncommon either.
There are quite a few, I am sure. You're probably right that it's no uncommon, but at this point I think that it should start becoming more common. Like I said above, it shows how out of touch you are with the general public of the nation you live in (my 60 year old parents are able to functionally use a computer, as are all of their friends, none of whom are particularly handy with technology, so I am not just talking about 40 or 30 or 20 and younger).

There are P&G top executives that not only use paper calendaring systems, but force their assistants to do the same. The PC's they have are mostly there because someone ordered them for them.

And in response to Aardor; McCain not using a computer does not infringe on anyone's rights to self defense. Given the option between him not nailing MySpace whores in the Oval Office and disarming the population, I will take the computer illiteracy option.

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » July 11, 2008, 6:10 pm

I'd still rather have a president who can send an email, even if it is just to reply to a chain letter.

Sueven · Post by **Sueven** » July 11, 2008, 6:26 pm

Why McCain's domestic policy is in fact nonsensical:

http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html? ... 9d213578c1

John McCain's fantastical pledge on Monday to balance the budget by 2013 through massive tax cuts and unidentified budget reductions deserved the bad reviews it received. But the most unfortunate element of his incoherent promise is that it's representative of his policy agenda these days. While the McCain campaign is trying to paint Barack Obama as a flip-flopper, the Arizona Republican is making diametrically opposed policy promises to different audiences at the same time. The contradictions are often in the details, but their obscurity is evidence of the campaign's cynicism.

The larger problem is the contradictory ambitions of the McCain campaign. The candidate wants to stand for "leadership, courage, and choices." Yet he also want to be both a supply-sider and a deficit-hawk. He wants to transform our health care system and Social Security without adding any money to either and without anybody getting hurt. He wants to be a tightwad on spending who doesn't cut any spending anybody cares about. These are impossible policies to explain, because the policies themselves are impossible.

And yes, that's a liberal website, so I'll pass along a conservative review of the piece:

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/? ... M4YTIzZDk=

There are some claims in this piece with which I do not agree, but overall it is a devastating indictment of McCain's wishy-washiness on policy.

Forthe · Post by **Forthe** » July 12, 2008, 11:05 am

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:
miir wrote:I've worked for all the major banks in Canada and every exec I have dealt with has been very computer literate.
I've worked for some very large companies and encountered many top level execs who were computer illiterate.

This is shocking to me. While most executives I've dealt with aren't computer scientists by any means they generally are proficient in specific business uses such as web, email, office apps (at least enough to open and review spreadsheets, presentations) and crackberries (typically with a lot of handholding).

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » July 26, 2008, 3:09 pm

A Wisconsin Democratic delegate to the Democratic national convention has been dumped by her state party for saying she would support Sen. John McCain

Debra Bartoshevich is a former delegate to the Democrat national convention now, she has been stripped of her delegate status after her comment she would vote for McCain when the news of Hillary Clinton dropping out of the race became public.

The administrative committee of the Wisconsin Democratic Party (WDP) took away her delegate status in a unanimous vote of 23-0 today. The defection of a Clinton supporter to the Republican candidate was apparently too much for the WDP to live with, despite the mother of two children telling the WDP she had made the June outburst in a moment of emotion after Clinton dropped out of the race.

An additional strike against Ms. Bartoshevich was her affiliation to "Citizens for McCain," which Ms. Bartoshevich had explained as having been signed up for by her sister who is a McCain supporter. But during a teleconference between the state committee and Ms. Bartoshevich committee member Dottie LeClaire responded.

"You reached right back and hugged them. I have a problem with that,"

I see how it is. A democrat sees the light and you give them them the boot! Liberal my ass. Next thing we're going to hear about is the formation of a Democrat Gestapo.

Gzette · Post by **Gzette** » July 26, 2008, 4:36 pm

I think it's obvious that if you're a freaking national convention delegate, you're going to support to party. If not, then you should not be going.

Fash · Post by **Fash** » July 26, 2008, 5:42 pm

Why have delegates then?.. Why not just take the number of delegates assigned to each party and apply them in the vote? Why bother with delegate elections in the first place?

If you're elected to delegate status, do you not have the right to vote with your own conscience?

I suppose it's more of a don't ask, don't tell policy (or just don't tell) so I don't feel too bad for this lady.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » July 26, 2008, 8:22 pm

Fash wrote:Why have delegates then?.. Why not just take the number of delegates assigned to each party and apply them in the vote? Why bother with delegate elections in the first place?

If you're elected to delegate status, do you not have the right to vote with your own conscience?

I suppose it's more of a don't ask, don't tell policy (or just don't tell) so I don't feel too bad for this lady.

I'm sure she knew what she was getting herself into when she proclaimed her position on the matter. I agree they really don't need these delegates.

Spang · Post by **Spang** » July 28, 2008, 5:06 pm

Ben Stein is a smart man.

"Mr. McCain is running the absolute most pathetic campaign I have ever seen in my whole life," Stein said in his unmistakable monotone delivery. "His campaign is just heartbreakingly pathetic. He is a very impressive guy. He is a brave guy, but he is running the most lackluster campaign I have ever seen in my entire life. I would have thought Bob Dole's campaign would have set a record for poor campaigns, but this one is even worse. I mean it is shocking."

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/27/ ... index.html

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » July 28, 2008, 5:12 pm

Spang wrote:Ben Stein is a smart man.

"Mr. McCain is running the absolute most pathetic campaign I have ever seen in my whole life," Stein said in his unmistakable monotone delivery. "His campaign is just heartbreakingly pathetic. He is a very impressive guy. He is a brave guy, but he is running the most lackluster campaign I have ever seen in my entire life. I would have thought Bob Dole's campaign would have set a record for poor campaigns, but this one is even worse. I mean it is shocking."
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/27/ ... index.html

Of course he is brilliant.....he agrees with you.

Don't worry about McCain, once the fervor dies down over the Messiah, the campaign will pick up. Even with all of the world tours and fauning over this inexperienced candidate, he is only 3-9 points ahead in the polls. Sept. and Oct. should be interesting.

Spang · Post by **Spang** » July 28, 2008, 5:33 pm

He's a lot smarter than you'll ever be. He's a lot older than you, too. You're just a child in comparison.

Kaldaur · Post by **Kaldaur** » July 28, 2008, 5:42 pm

Spang, Midnyte is much older than you. He is younger than Ben Stein. Therefore, when Ben Stein talks to you, don't listen to Midnyte. However, if Ben Stein isn't talking to you, listen to Midnyte. If neither is talking to you, I will listen to you because you are older. However, if one of them is talking to me, I will listen to them and not you.
Age is important. That's why McCain will win, it's a numbers game.

Aardor · Post by **Aardor** » July 28, 2008, 5:46 pm

Ben Stein told me that evolution does not exist because Hitler believed in it.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » July 28, 2008, 5:58 pm

Spang wrote:He's a lot smarter than you'll ever be. He's a lot older than you, too. You're just a child in comparison.

Keep twisting words so you don't have to speak about the topic at hand. Never once have I said someone older is smarter. Someone older may have more experience than someone younger though. They may understand responsibility more than someone younger. Odds are they do. Not all the time though. There are always exceptions. Normally older people aren't as filled with blind anger and vile. Then again you know this and are just trolling me. It really sucks though. We get so close to having productive conversations on this board until all the smary callbacks and labels come in to play.

Fash · Post by **Fash** » July 28, 2008, 6:07 pm

Ben Stein supports Creationism/Intelligent Design... not so smart any more, is he?

Spang · Post by **Spang** » July 28, 2008, 6:25 pm

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:Keep twisting words so you don't have to speak about the topic at hand. Never once have I said someone older is smarter. Someone older may have more experience than someone younger though. They may understand responsibility more than someone younger. Odds are they do. Not all the time though. There are always exceptions. Normally older people aren't as filled with blind anger and vile. Then again you know this and are just trolling me. It really sucks though. We get so close to having productive conversations on this board until all the smary callbacks and labels come in to play.

You do more labeling than anyone else on these forums.

Spang · Post by **Spang** » July 28, 2008, 6:26 pm

Fash wrote:Ben Stein supports Creationism/Intelligent Design... not so smart any more, is he?

He's still very smart. He'd kick your ass on Jeopardy.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » July 28, 2008, 6:36 pm

Spang wrote:
Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:Keep twisting words so you don't have to speak about the topic at hand. Never once have I said someone older is smarter. Someone older may have more experience than someone younger though. They may understand responsibility more than someone younger. Odds are they do. Not all the time though. There are always exceptions. Normally older people aren't as filled with blind anger and vile. Then again you know this and are just trolling me. It really sucks though. We get so close to having productive conversations on this board until all the smary callbacks and labels come in to play.
You do more labeling than anyone else on these forums.

Oh, cool. Show me where I label people like people label me a racist. Show me such a comparison. Before you cream your pants about quoting me usig the word 'liberal', it's not the same thing. Liberal is a philosophy and accurately describes many on this board as conservative decribes me.

Spang · Post by **Spang** » July 28, 2008, 6:38 pm

Does 'scumbag' count?

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » July 28, 2008, 6:41 pm

Spang wrote:Does 'scumbag' count?

Show me where I've repeatedly labeled soemone on this board as a scumbag. Show how when they type something I don't like I've retorted with calling them a scumbag.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » July 28, 2008, 6:43 pm

Actually, let me save you some time. You won't find it. I don't do that shit to people here. I try very hard here, as well as in real life, not to hold any past words or exchanges against them in a future exchange. I'm a 'look forward' type of guy. I certainly aren't perfect at it, but I constantly try to do so.

Lynks · Post by **Lynks** » July 28, 2008, 7:29 pm

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote: Show how when they type something I don't like I've retorted with calling them a scumbag.

Tue Jul 15, 2008 10:26 pm

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:...What an asshole you are. Good night.

You're welcome and good night.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » July 28, 2008, 7:51 pm

Lynks wrote:
Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote: Show how when they type something I don't like I've retorted with calling them a scumbag.
Tue Jul 15, 2008 10:26 pm
Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:...What an asshole you are. Good night.
You're welcome and good night.

*sigh* Can't win with you guys.

Xatrei · Post by **Xatrei** » July 28, 2008, 11:08 pm

Poor little victim. Do you really believe a tenth of the shit you vomit onto the boards every day?

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » July 28, 2008, 11:51 pm

Xatrei wrote:Poor little victim. Do you really believe a tenth of the shit you vomit onto the boards every day?

Not only don't I consider myself a victim, but I have said it 1000 times.....yes I do believe what I type. I'm not playing an angry little internet nerd hiding behind a monitor. I'm playing a pretty content internet nerd, who'd gladly meet any single person on these boards and discuss the exact same topics with the exact same degree of honesty. Can you maybe write this down so I don't have to keep goign over this? Thank ye kindly.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » July 30, 2008, 7:37 pm

Another reason why McCain will win....

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=52f_1217434061&p=1

Spang · Post by **Spang** » July 30, 2008, 7:55 pm

The people that don't vote for Obama because of that, weren't going to vote for his black ass anyways.

miir · Post by **miir** » July 30, 2008, 8:29 pm

Is that the negro music I've been hearing about?

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » July 30, 2008, 10:23 pm

miir wrote:Is that the negro music I've been hearing about?

Catchy isn't it?

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » August 5, 2008, 4:29 pm

National Polls Show Very Tight Contest
Two new national polls show John McCain eking out a single point lead over Barack Obama, while a third shows Obama up by three. A Zogby International /Associated TV poll of 1,011 likely voters taken July 31-August 1 shows McCain leading Obama 42%-41% with Bob Barr (L) and Ralph Nader each taking 2%. The Rasmussen Reports automated daily presidential tracking poll for August 4 shows McCain and Obama tied at 44%, but with leaners McCain leads 47%-46%. However, the Gallup daily presidential tracking poll of 2,659 registered voters taken August 1-3 shows Obama leading McCain 46%-43%, up from a 45%-44% lead yesterday.

Spang · Post by **Spang** » August 5, 2008, 5:17 pm

...the Gallup daily presidential tracking poll of 2,659 registered voters taken August 1-3 shows Obama leading McCain 46%-43%, up from a 45%-44% lead yesterday.

Too bad there's more than 2,659 registered voters in the U.S.

Fash · Post by **Fash** » August 5, 2008, 5:21 pm

Spang wrote:
...the Gallup daily presidential tracking poll of 2,659 registered voters taken August 1-3 shows Obama leading McCain 46%-43%, up from a 45%-44% lead yesterday.
Too bad there's more than 2,659 registered voters in the U.S.

True, but that's actually a very large population for a poll. Most polls only involve 300-700 people.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » August 5, 2008, 5:59 pm

McCain Woos Bikers:

Mr. McCain’s message was a jumble of policy declarations and sharp slaps at his Democratic rival, Senator Barack Obama of Illinois. Mr. McCain noted that Mr. Obama had drawn tens of thousands to a speech in Berlin last month.

“I’ll take the roar of 150 Harleys any day. Any day,” he said, to more roars.

“This is my first time here,” he continued, “but I recognize that sound. It’s the sound of freedom.”

Some would call it noise pollution! Still, he's secured the biker vote!

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008 ... os-bikers/

Spang · Post by **Spang** » August 5, 2008, 6:00 pm

Are you surprised?

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » August 5, 2008, 6:02 pm

I'll try not to pass out from shock.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » August 5, 2008, 6:19 pm

Spang wrote:Are you surprised?

Again it's okay to bash if you do it? If I say "are you surprised" to Obama securing the votes of a rally full of blacks, that's racism. Gotta love the double standards.

Spang · Post by **Spang** » August 5, 2008, 6:23 pm

That wouldn't surprise me, either.

It also wouldn't make you a racist.

Also, not all whites will vote for McCain, and not all blacks will vote for Obama.

A lot of them will forget.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » August 5, 2008, 6:45 pm

Spang wrote:That wouldn't surprise me, either.

It also wouldn't make you a racist.

Also, not all whites will vote for McCain, and not all blacks will vote for Obama.

A lot of them will forget.

Are you saying blacks and old people are forgetful? If you are, that's pretty funny. haha If you weren't then I get the credit for being funny.

Spang · Post by **Spang** » August 5, 2008, 6:49 pm

Yes I am.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » August 5, 2008, 6:52 pm

Spang wrote:Yes I am.

I don't care how bad you hate me, that was fucking great. You have a good sense fo humor. I'm a fan of Spang.

Spang · Post by **Spang** » August 5, 2008, 6:54 pm

Fuck off.

Spang · Post by **Spang** » August 5, 2008, 6:57 pm

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:Are you saying blacks and old people are forgetful? If you are, that's pretty funny. haha If you weren't then I get the credit for being funny.

Actually, if I had to rewrite it, it would look like this:

Not all old people will vote for McCain.

Not all black people will vote for Obama.

A lot of them will forget.

Nick · Post by **Nick** » August 5, 2008, 9:23 pm

Hahaha oh god "the sound of freedom" - what a fucking idiot.

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » August 5, 2008, 11:13 pm

Nick wrote:Hahaha oh god "the sound of freedom" - what a fucking idiot.

No, it just isn't something you would understand.