Why Bush is a coward

Fallanthas · Post by **Fallanthas** » March 10, 2003, 12:08 pm

Then you support the liberation of the Iraqi people, Xyun?

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » March 10, 2003, 12:13 pm

Quit a coincedence Fallanthas. Venezuela must have driven up the gas prices prior to the previous Gulf War too.

Avestan · Post by **Avestan** » March 10, 2003, 12:21 pm

First,

be accurate, gas prices has not almost doubled. They have gone up 15-30% depending on where you live. Venezuela is one of the United States largest oil suppliers, they are MUCH more important to our oil economy than Iraq is.

http://www.public-i.org/Latam_Importsl_tables.htm

That shows what we are talking about. The only reason Iraq even makes the list is because of the oil for food programs we have. Again, oil is just not as big a deal as you think it is. The world pays twice as much for gas as we do in the United States and has for a long long time. There is a lot of room in that industry for price hikes before we get to any level even nearing critical (and I live in the Bay Area where we have the highest gas prices in the country).

As far as knowing more than the powers that be. . .the Bush administration knows this, it is everyone who does not have a decent leg to stand on in the issue who keeps pressing it.

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » March 10, 2003, 12:43 pm

be accurate, gas prices has not almost doubled. They have gone up 15-30% depending on where you live.

Gas has gone from $1.14 to $1.92 for regular/unleaded in the past 6 months here in BC, MI. 30% my ass. Also, being in the moving industry, our fuel surcharge has gone form 2% to 7% in the last 4 months alone. We're prepared to see 10%+ by the start of summer. 10% is a fucking shitload when we're bidding moves in a highly competitive market. A typical move is 3-4k, mid range is 5-6k, large moves I have seen up to 50k.

Quote statistics all you want. I would rather rely on what I see and experiance every day. For all intent and reasoning, my fuel prices have doubled.

vn_Tanc · Post by **vn_Tanc** » March 10, 2003, 1:16 pm

Using that logic will always protect you from addressing valid points, but dismissing evidence as a government smokescreen is hardly a winner in any serious debate

I've addressed every point on Iraq from every angle ad infinitum on this board and others. I'm sure everyone is sick of it.
There was no 'evidence' there was only opinion to which I was replying. If you really think GW wants war in Iraq cos of the suffering of the poor Iraqi people you're deluded.

As for "just 5%" of the world's oil fields. . .5% is a pretty fuckin big slice for one country.

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » March 10, 2003, 1:23 pm

vn_Tanc wrote:
Using that logic will always protect you from addressing valid points, but dismissing evidence as a government smokescreen is hardly a winner in any serious debate
I've addressed every point on Iraq from every angle ad infinitum on this board and others. I'm sure everyone is sick of it.
There was no 'evidence' there was only opinion to which I was replying. If you really think GW wants war in Iraq cos of the suffering of the poor Iraqi people you're deluded.

As for "just 5%" of the world's oil fields. . .5% is a pretty fuckin big slice for one country.

BULLSHIT!! If you think Oil is the main reason the US wants to invade Iraq.

There are a number of reasons besides oil, The US does fine without Iraqs Blood Oil We dont need it. The people are suffering the region is in turmoil and the US are going in to protect themselves from future problems that might occur. When your 40 you get your Prostate checked right? You dont fucking do it because it fells good( Well some of us dont), You do it to protect yourself from Ass Cancer.

Fallanthas · Post by **Fallanthas** » March 10, 2003, 1:24 pm

Then look at ti this way, Tanq.

Iraqs maximum projected production is about 2.5 million barrels a day. That's assuming rigs in good working order, etc.

The US consumes about 11 million barrels a day.

So if we took Iraq and stole every drop of oil production they have, we would satisfy around 20% of our oil needs.

But of course this war is all about oil.

miir · Post by **miir** » March 10, 2003, 1:29 pm

Oil is not a big enough reason to attack Iraq. They produce roughtly 5% of the worlds oil

Iraq's crude oil reserves comprise 11.1% of proven worldwide supplies as of 2001. This is second only to the 25.5% of Saudi Arabia.

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » March 10, 2003, 1:30 pm

miir wrote:
Oil is not a big enough reason to attack Iraq. They produce roughtly 5% of the worlds oil
Iraq's crude oil reserves comprise 11.1% of proven worldwide supplies as of 2001. This is second only to the 25.5% of Saudi Arabia.

And that is 11.1% the US has done without for 10yrs,

vn_Tanc · Post by **vn_Tanc** » March 10, 2003, 1:38 pm

US oil reserves are dangerously low. The lowest they've been for 30 years.
There is a VERY GOOD chance access will be lost to Saudi reserves in the future.
You have Kuwait as friends. You have a small presence in Saudi. Other than that the entire, oil-soaked region despises the US.

Given that the islamic fundamentalists are gaining in popularity in the region, and indeed the world over, I think the US is a little nervous about securing long term supplies.
But with a friendly government in Iraq and a huge US military presence sited there (to oversee rebuilding or wtf ever), you never need worry about those oil wells failling into unfriendly hands because you'll have enough forces in the area to "step in" and "secure" the oil fields "for everyone's benefit". THAT is what it's all about IMO.

Iraqi stability, the wellbeing of the Iraqi people, counts for nothing.
The terrorism angle is almost 100% pure propaganda.
Non-proliferation of WMD is fine but can be achieved via the UN given enough time. The inspectors say they need one year to complete a reasonable inspection - nobody is even considering giving them that long.
So what does that leave? Not a fookin lot. Especially when you consider the US would all ready be occupying Iraq NOW if the rest of the world hadn't persuaded Dubya to excercise a little patience.
It's a tangled web sure but to say it's nothing to do with oil is staggeringly blinkered. If Iraq and Kuwait grew carrots, not a single allied serviceman would have ever seen the region.

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » March 10, 2003, 1:43 pm

[quote="vn_Tanc"]US oil reserves are dangerously low. The lowest they've been for 30 years.
There is a VERY GOOD chance access will be lost to Saudi reserves in the future.
You have Kuwait as friends. You have a small presence in Saudi. Other than that the entire, oil-soaked region despises the US.

Given that the islamic fundamentalists are gaining in popularity in the region, and indeed the world over, I think the US is a little nervous about securing long term supplies.
But with a friendly government in Iraq and a huge US military presence sited there (to oversee rebuilding or wtf ever), you never need worry about those oil wells failling into unfriendly hands because you'll have enough forces in the area to "step in" and "secure" the oil fields "for everyone's benefit". THAT is what it's all about IMO.

You got to be kidding me you really dont belive that do you. I hope you dont run a Business! You think the Saudi's would cut off there #1 customer? I dont think so.

miir · Post by **miir** » March 10, 2003, 1:45 pm

Iraqs maximum projected production is about 2.5 million barrels a day. That's assuming rigs in good working order, etc

In 2001, Iraqs daily oil production was over 3 million per day.
Iraq has roughly 60 undeveloped oil fields.
Iraq has roughly 15 developed oil fields.
Of over 500 prospective structures, only 125 have been drilled.

Over a decade of economic sanctions have prevented Iraq from developing most of it's oil production potential.
Even Saudi Araiba is quota capped by opec at roughly 7 million barrels per day.

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On another point, it baffles me how the US is trying to tie Iraq with terrorism.
Look at the country of origin of the vast majority of international terrorists.

Fallanthas · Post by **Fallanthas** » March 10, 2003, 1:45 pm

Tanc,

The entire country can't support 20% of the production the US requires on a daily basis.

Their reserve is impressive on paper, but I have to ask where they are storing that much oil and how the reserve figure is arrived at. 112 billion barrels?

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » March 10, 2003, 1:46 pm

The people are suffering the region is in turmoil and the US are going in to protect themselves from future problems that might occur.

- Then go after the countries where the people are really suffering. If you had a clue you would know that Iraq isn't even remotely close to the worse country when it comes to their own people suffering. Hell your own allies can be argued as being worse, not to mention douzens of other countries.

- The region is in turmoil for sure, quite a bit of it due to dislike of USA. So what will increased intervention by USA do? Settle it down? Right. If you want to solve the turmoil in the region settle the Israel - Palestine issue. Oh wait, Israel is your close ally, can't touch that issue...

- If you want to protect yourself from future problems go after the real issues and not a scapegoat. That is what Hussein is: A scapegoat. A piece of a political puzzle. If Bush really wanted to protect USA from future problems then go after the real threats. The real terrorist supporting countries. And Iraq isn't one of them.

vn_Tanc · Post by **vn_Tanc** » March 10, 2003, 1:49 pm

Their reserve is impressive on paper, but I have to ask where they are storing that much oil and how the reserve figure is arrived at. 112 billion barrels?

Lets see. . .hmm. . .at a guess I'd say maybe. . .UNDER THE FUCKING GROUND WAITING TO BE PUMPED!!!

Christ.

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » March 10, 2003, 1:55 pm

If you want to protect yourself from future problems go after the real issues and not a scapegoat. That is what Hussein is: A scapegoat. A piece of a political puzzle. If Bush really wanted to protect USA from future problems then go after the real threats. The real terrorist supporting countries. And Iraq isn't one of them.

A soon to bed Dead scapegoat.

As far as Isreal Hell I agree I cant figure out why we help them when they wont even help themselves.

Fallanthas · Post by **Fallanthas** » March 10, 2003, 2:08 pm

That's what I am wondering, Tanc.

If it's still underground, then the production figure is the one you have to go by.

Oil in the ground don't make the cars go.

Oil industry experts generally assess Iraq's sustainable production capacity at no higher than about 2.8-2.9 million bbl/d, with net export potential of around 2.3-2.5 million bbl/d (including smuggled oil).

Taken from http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/cabs/iraq.html.

vn_Tanc · Post by **vn_Tanc** » March 10, 2003, 2:18 pm

You aren't going to win any argument here splitting hairs over the amount of oil in Iraq and how much the US uses etc etc. cos it sums up like this:

Q: How much oil does Iraq have?
A: An fuckload.

Q: How fast can they pump it?
A: Today not so fast (see Sanctions). In the future, a lot faster (new wells, new technology, new fields).

10-12% of the world's known reserves is a hell of a strategic prize no matter how fast it's pumped.
Especially when America knows it can cut it's profligate consumption rate drastically with a minimum of cost and inconvenience (disregarding the massive amount of bitching from the whiney populace).

Fallanthas · Post by **Fallanthas** » March 10, 2003, 2:19 pm

Of course it's that easy. Hell, we could do it tomorrow.

Dumbass.

vn_Tanc · Post by **vn_Tanc** » March 10, 2003, 2:25 pm

Dumbass yourself.
No returns.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » March 10, 2003, 2:57 pm

lol here comes fallanthas.

WE CAN'T USE THAT OIL BECAUSE ITS STUCK IN THE GROUND. I WINS TEH ARGUEMENT!

you know I argue here on a daily basis hoping one day to educate some of you into thinking for yourselves but sometimes I feel that you are too stupid to be helped. it actually amazes me that you can operate a personal computer sometimes.

Fallanthas · Post by **Fallanthas** » March 10, 2003, 2:59 pm

Can you read, retard?

The entire CURRENT supply that Iraq can pump daily is around 3 million barrels or which about 2.5 million barrels are available for export.

The US goes through 11 million barrels a day.

Buy a fucking calculator, goon.

Post by **Xouqoa** » March 10, 2003, 3:01 pm

I have some files in my computer that I need to get out but I can't find them. I opened up the computer and pulled out some wires and shit but didn't see any files. Then I tried to turn on the computer and it wouldn't work. wtf.

*blue steel*

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » March 10, 2003, 3:07 pm

Fallanthas wrote:Can you read, retard?

The entire CURRENT supply that Iraq can pump daily is around 3 million barrels or which about 2.5 million barrels are available for export.

The US goes through 11 million barrels a day.

Buy a fucking calculator, goon.

THE REST IS IN TEH GROUND! HOW CAN I PUTS IT IN MY SUV WHEN ITS UNDER THE FLOOR LIKE THAT MS. SMARTEYPANTS?!?!

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » March 10, 2003, 3:07 pm

kyoukan type-R wrote:lol here comes fallanthas.

WE CAN'T USE THAT OIL BECAUSE ITS STUCK IN THE GROUND. I WINS TEH ARGUEMENT!

you know I argue here on a daily basis hoping one day to educate some of you into thinking for yourselves but sometimes I feel that you are too stupid to be helped. it actually amazes me that you can operate a personal computer sometimes.

What he is trying to say is that Iraq Could not keep up with current US usage of Oil by themselves. It doesnt matter if its in the ground or not.

Oh and BTW I enjoy the hell out of my SUV it has plenty of room for my Golf Clubs.

miir · Post by **miir** » March 10, 2003, 3:12 pm

Xouqoa wrote:*blue steel*

Hehe...

gasoline fight > blue steel

vn_Tanc · Post by **vn_Tanc** » March 10, 2003, 3:14 pm

Quoting that film is so much funnier than the film itself. . .

Anyway my shift is done and I'm clocking off. Take it from here my liberal canadian comrades. . .

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » March 10, 2003, 3:15 pm

vn_Tanc wrote:Quoting that film is so much funnier than the film itself. . .

Anyway my shift is done and I'm clocking off. Take it from here my liberal canadian comrades. . .

Have a good night.

miir · Post by **miir** » March 10, 2003, 3:18 pm

Cartalas wrote: What he is trying to say is that Iraq Could not keep up with current US usage of Oil by themselves. It doesnt matter if its in the ground or not.

Neither can Saudi Arabia...
Neither could Iran, Kuwait, Libya and Venezuela combined.
The USA uses an obscene amount of crude oil. They consume nearly 1/2 of all the oil produced by OPEC nations.

If Iraq hadn't fucked themselves over by invading Kuwait, they could be challenging Saudi Arabia as the top crude oil producer in the world.

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » March 10, 2003, 3:23 pm

miir wrote:
Cartalas wrote: What he is trying to say is that Iraq Could not keep up with current US usage of Oil by themselves. It doesnt matter if its in the ground or not.
Neither can Saudi Arabia...
Neither could Iran, Kuwait, Libya and Venezuela combined.
The USA uses an obscene amount of crude oil. They consume nearly 1/2 of all the oil produced by OPEC nations.

If Iraq hadn't fucked themselves over by invading Kuwait, they could be challenging Saudi Arabia as the top crude oil producer in the world.

My point exactly!!! The Middle East needs the U.S as much as the U.S needs the middle east. But you guys are slamming him and twisting his words around. He was making a statement

Avestan · Post by **Avestan** » March 10, 2003, 3:38 pm

"The average cost of a gallon of self-serve unleaded gas in Michigan hit an all-time high last year when it reached $2.078 on June 19. After dropping over the fall and winter, prices have jumped 43.1 cents to $1.913 in the last six weeks, according to the auto club AAA Michigan."

So basically prices are lower now than they were last year before the buildup for war? I stand corrected.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » March 10, 2003, 3:44 pm

Michigan gas prices may be lower, but across the nation, the average gasoline price per gallon is the highest since 1991.

Hammerstalker PE · Post by **Hammerstalker PE** » March 10, 2003, 3:47 pm

you know I argue here on a daily basis hoping one day to educate some of you into thinking for yourselves but sometimes I feel that you are too stupid to be helped. it actually amazes me that you can operate a personal computer sometimes.

OH MY GOD you arrogant fucking twinkie eating asshole. Your arguements are not intelligent in the least. Who the fuck do you think you are? GOD I have seen some arrogant self important posts here but yours take the pie.

I can see the huddled masses of VV just awaiting your lesson of the day. Please enlighten us oh wise one. How the fuck do we get through the day without your insightful commentaries like "CT ZERGS MOB X" or "Has evil Kyoukan posted lately."

Shaddap you fucking Willnot (clump of shit stuck to sphincter hair that WILLNOT come off)

*EDIT* Spelling thanks Dregor

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » March 10, 2003, 4:08 pm

Hammerstalker PE wrote:
you know I argue here on a daily basis hoping one day to educate some of you into thinking for yourselves but sometimes I feel that you are too stupid to be helped. it actually amazes me that you can operate a personal computer sometimes.
OH MY GOD you arrogant fucking twinkie eating asshole. Your arguements are not intellegent in the least. Who the fuck do you think you are? GOD I have seen some arrogant self important posts here but yours take the pie.

I can see the huddled masses of VV just awaiting your lesson of the day. Please enlighten us oh wise one. How the fuck do we get through the day without your insightful commentaries like "CT ZERGS MOB X" or "Has evil Kyoukan posted lately."

Shaddap you fucking Willnot (clump of shit stuck to sphincter hair that WILLNOT come off)

You spelled intelligent wrong, Bueller.

Fallanthas · Post by **Fallanthas** » March 10, 2003, 4:23 pm

Actually what I was tryingt to say was that if we took every goddamned drop of oil Iraq can produce it still amounts to less than 20% of what we use.

Yeah, there's a major fucking impact.

BUT I AM START SHOUTING IN CAPS LIKE KYOUKAN CAUSE SHE IS TEH WIN!

Grow the fuck up.

miir · Post by **miir** » March 10, 2003, 4:28 pm

Actually what I was tryingt to say was that if we took every goddamned drop of oil Iraq can produce it still amounts to less than 20% of what we use.

If Iraq had not got themselves into economic sancitons for the past 12 years, I'd be willing to bet thier oil production would be close to that of Suadi Arabia

I'm curious as to what exactly your point is?

There isn't any single country in the world that produces (or is allowed to produce) enough oil to supply the USA 100%.

The fact remains that Iraq has the second largest supply of crude oil in the world.

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » March 10, 2003, 4:29 pm

miir wrote:
Actually what I was tryingt to say was that if we took every goddamned drop of oil Iraq can produce it still amounts to less than 20% of what we use.
If Iraq had not got themselves into economic sancitons for the past 12 years, I'd be willing to bet thier oil production would be close to that of Suadi Arabia

I'm curious as to what exactly your point is?

There isn't any single country in the world that produces (or is allowed to produce) enough oil to supply the USA 100%.

The fact remains that Iraq has the second largest supply of crude oil in the world.

And the Fact is the US has survived for 10yrs without there Fing Oil.

Fallanthas · Post by **Fallanthas** » March 10, 2003, 4:33 pm

Well genius, that would mean that invading a single country for their oil isn't gonna do us a hell of a lot of good, is it?

Crhist, breaking out my jumbo crayons and king-size rule paper for you war-for-oil types.

miir · Post by **miir** » March 10, 2003, 4:34 pm

Cartalas wrote:
And the Fact is the US has survived for 10yrs without there Fing Oil.

Are you going to keep missing the point by quacking out shit like this?

C'mon man, I know you aren't that stupid.

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » March 10, 2003, 4:35 pm

Fallanthas wrote:Well genius, that would mean that invading a single country for their oil isn't gonna do us a hell of a lot of good, is it?

Crhist, breaking out my jumbo crayons and king-size rule paper for you war-for-oil types.

Dont Forget the Hockey Helmets

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » March 10, 2003, 5:53 pm

Hammerstalker PE wrote:
you know I argue here on a daily basis hoping one day to educate some of you into thinking for yourselves but sometimes I feel that you are too stupid to be helped. it actually amazes me that you can operate a personal computer sometimes.
OH MY GOD you arrogant fucking twinkie eating asshole. Your arguements are not intelligent in the least. Who the fuck do you think you are? GOD I have seen some arrogant self important posts here but yours take the pie.

I can see the huddled masses of VV just awaiting your lesson of the day. Please enlighten us oh wise one. How the fuck do we get through the day without your insightful commentaries like "CT ZERGS MOB X" or "Has evil Kyoukan posted lately."

Shaddap you fucking Willnot (clump of shit stuck to sphincter hair that WILLNOT come off)

*EDIT* Spelling thanks Dregor

haha, its funny that you think your opinion matters about anything. hey look hammertalker is squeaking out another cut and paste reply in hopes I will pay some attention to him. You aren't even fucking worth the effort it took to type this.

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » March 10, 2003, 5:55 pm

kyoukan type-R wrote:
Hammerstalker PE wrote:
you know I argue here on a daily basis hoping one day to educate some of you into thinking for yourselves but sometimes I feel that you are too stupid to be helped. it actually amazes me that you can operate a personal computer sometimes.
OH MY GOD you arrogant fucking twinkie eating asshole. Your arguements are not intelligent in the least. Who the fuck do you think you are? GOD I have seen some arrogant self important posts here but yours take the pie.

I can see the huddled masses of VV just awaiting your lesson of the day. Please enlighten us oh wise one. How the fuck do we get through the day without your insightful commentaries like "CT ZERGS MOB X" or "Has evil Kyoukan posted lately."

Shaddap you fucking Willnot (clump of shit stuck to sphincter hair that WILLNOT come off)

*EDIT* Spelling thanks Dregor
haha, its funny that you think your opinion matters about anything. hey look hammertalker is squeaking out another cut and paste reply in hopes I will pay some attention to him. You aren't even fucking worth the effort it took to type this.

You cant hide from the Cowabunga Bananna

Gurugurumaki · Post by **Gurugurumaki** » March 10, 2003, 6:02 pm

What about the four-headed singing banana?

Forthe · Post by **Forthe** » March 10, 2003, 7:05 pm

1. 20% of the US oil consumption is a HUGE deal.
2. Iraq was exporting 3.5mil a day before we fucked them up.
3. Oil reserves twice as big as Venezuela ... maybe you can figure out some strategic advantage to controlling them.
4. Haliburton already has contracts in place with the US government for post-war Iraq work.
5. Do a search on "Rebuilding America's Defences: Strategies, Forces And Resources For A New Century". Note when it was written and who it was written for.
6. Anyone else notice that Cheney seems to have fallen off the face of the earth?

Fallanthas · Post by **Fallanthas** » March 10, 2003, 7:10 pm

Iraq has never exported 3.5 millions barrels a day.

They were projecting hitting 3 million a day by the year 2000. They missed the projection for obvious reasons.

Considering we are the worlds largest consumer of oil and there is nowhere else to sell it, whther we 'control' the oil or not is a moot point. Fuck you. Eat your oil if you can.

20% is just that, 20%. The other 80% would still have to come from the world market. We would realize maybe a 10% drop in total dollars for oil, by the time you factor in extraction and transpotation costs we would have to assume.

Hammerstalker PE · Post by **Hammerstalker PE** » March 10, 2003, 7:17 pm

Yup I was sitting all a twitter waiting for you to notice me asshole! Oh look another inciteful comment by Kyoukan /yawn.

haha, its funny that you think your opinion matters about anything. hey look hammertalker is squeaking out another cut and paste reply in hopes I will pay some attention to him. You aren't even fucking worth the effort it took to type this.

and you say Dubya is a hypocrite.

Zamtuk · Post by **Zamtuk** » March 10, 2003, 7:22 pm

This thread is spiralling down the poop shoot to the rickshaw.

Forthe · Post by **Forthe** » March 10, 2003, 7:38 pm

Fallanthas wrote:Iraq has never exported 3.5 millions barrels a day.

You could be right but I'm willing to bet the <A HREF="http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/cabs/iraq.html">[i]US Department of Energy[/i]</A> might know better than you.

In case you have trouble reading such a long document search for "Following Iraq's invasion of Kuwait and the embargo on Iraqi oil exports, Iraqi oil production fell to around 300,000 barrels per day (bbl/d) (from 3.5 million bbl/d in July 1990)."

I will cede production vs export. But keep in mind it was nearly 13 years ago, very little of Iraq's oil reserves have been developed and even less of the country has even been explored. Nobody knows how big the oil reserves really are.

Fallanthas · Post by **Fallanthas** » March 10, 2003, 7:57 pm

A valid point, but one that could be made for about 90% of the planet.

I see where you got the 3.5 million figure now. Apparently they did hit that mark, but couldn't sustain it. Market experts say that 2.8 to 2.9 million barrels is about all they can sustain without major infrastructure upgrades.

They also do a very poor job extracting oil, it seems. 24 of 73 well farms are still producing, and they are using water injection techniques to sustain production quotas.

But hey, the bank account is gettin fat, right?

**EDIT**

You know, after reading through that a few times I've come to the conlusion that Saddam is a real cretin. He has a huge amount of undeveloped capacity there. Instead of making strategic alliances and developing his nation into an economic force he has managed to alienate a large portion of the civilized world an indebt himself to most of the rest.

Savvy politician indeed, eh?

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » March 10, 2003, 8:08 pm

4. Haliburton already has contracts in place with the US government for post-war Iraq work.
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6. Anyone else notice that Cheney seems to have fallen off the face of the earth?

Yeah I have also noticed that the Haliburton case has gotten NO media attention in USA, at least not that I have seen.

A couple of days ago I read in a Norwegian newspaper that Haliburton lost 200 kilos of radioactive material. This is material that was stolen from them, and which could very easily be used for "dirty bombs". If I am not mistaken, Haliburton is Cheney's company right?

I've been sitting on the fence waiting to hear something from newsmedia on this, I find it interesting it hasn't gotten any notice at all.

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Why Bush is a coward

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