McCain will be the next U.S. President (IMO)

Forthe · Post by **Forthe** » September 19, 2008, 8:38 pm

Winnow wrote:
Forthe wrote: It's great to watch you skip over my reply, which made no reference to Palin, to those that compare Obama to Palin so you do not even have to try backup your initial claim about Obama's resume.
Some bullet points on his resume look to be affirmative action appointments. I'm sure having an African American as "President of the Harvard Law Review" didn't hurt the public image of Harvard. Sounds like a position a nerd takes just to make their resume look better. What next? President of the chess club? I was Chief Justice of the Student Judicial Board at my university. Wow! In that position, about the only useful thing I was able to do was veto a vote to have myself kicked out of the dorm after blasting pr0n audio out of my dorm window to drown out some religious preacher on campus. I'm sure Obama did similar amazing things in his position.

Community Organizer is on the same level as claiming you were a house mom, or in Palin's case, a hockey mom...on top of that, she was a governor.

Wow, you usually are fairly smart Winnow but that reply was straight up ignorant. I could explain the "double blind" process to you or what magna cum laude means but you can google it for yourself.

"President of the Harvard Law Review" typically leads to a clerkship with the U.S. Supreme Court followed by writing your own ticket to any law firm you want. How does that compare to President of your chess club?

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » September 19, 2008, 8:52 pm

The Harvard Law Review, generally considered the most prestigious in the country, elected the first black president in its 104-year history today. The job is considered the highest student position at Harvard Law School.

The new president of the Review is Barack Obama, a 28-year-old graduate of Columbia University who spent four years heading a community development program for poor blacks on Chicago's South Side before enrolling in law school. His late father, Barack Obama, was a finance minister in Kenya and his mother, Ann Dunham, is an American anthropologist now doing fieldwork in Indonesia. Mr. Obama was born in Hawaii.

''The fact that I've been elected shows a lot of progress,'' Mr. Obama said today in an interview. ''It's encouraging.

eh, he's good at getting himself elected. Lets hope that changes!

Mr. Obama was elected after a meeting of the review's 80 editors that convened Sunday and lasted until early this morning, a participant said.

Until the 1970's the editors were picked on the basis of grades, and the president of the Law Review was the student with the highest academic rank. Among these were Elliot L. Richardson, the former Attorney General, and Irwin Griswold, a dean of the Harvard Law School and Solicitor General under Presidents Lyndon B. Johnson and Richard M. Nixon.

That system came under attack in the 1970's and was replaced by a program in which about half the editors are chosen for their grades and the other half are chosen by fellow students after a special writing competition. The new system, disputed when it began, was meant to help insure that minority students became editors of The Law Review.

Forthe · Post by **Forthe** » September 19, 2008, 9:27 pm

Google "magna cum laude".

You are being an idiot here btw.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » September 19, 2008, 9:37 pm

Recall how much I've mentioned the Hispanic vote?

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/18/ ... index.html

The battle begins!

Commentary: McCain's Latino ad hits target, Obama's misses

* Story Highlights
* Ruben Navarrette: New front in campaign is Spanish-language ad war
* McCain ad is on target in saying Dems blocked immigration reform, he says
* Navarrette: Obama ad is off base in claiming McCain agreed with Limbaugh

By Ruben Navarrette Jr.
Special to CNN

Editor's note: Ruben Navarrette Jr. is a member of the editorial board of the San Diego Union-Tribune and a nationally syndicated columnist. Read his column here

SAN DIEGO, California (CNN) -- The new offensive in the presidential election is a Spanish-language air war in which each party is trying to convince Latino voters that the other is no amigo to the nation's largest minority and that it did them wrong during the immigration debacle in Congress.

It started last week when the McCain-Palin campaign launched a Spanish ad that, translated, says: "[Barack] Obama and his congressional allies say they are on the side of immigrants. But are they? The press reports their efforts were 'poison pills' that made immigration reform fail. The result: No guest worker program. No path to citizenship. No secure borders. No reform. Is that being on our side? Obama and his congressional allies: Ready to block immigration reform, but not ready to lead."

This week, the Obama-Biden campaign struck back with Spanish radio and TV ads in the heavily-Latino battleground states of Nevada, Colorado and New Mexico. Translated, the TV ad says: "They want us to forget the insults we've put up with, the intolerance. They made us feel marginalized in a country we love so much. John McCain and his Republican friends have two faces. One that lies just to get our vote, and another, even worse, that continues the failed policies of George Bush that put special interests ahead of working families."

Stop the tape! The spots are hard-hitting, but only one hits the target. The McCain-Palin ad is accurate. But the Obama-Biden ad is riddled with problems.

For starters, it diverts attention away from Congress by trying to tie John McCain to conservative radio talk show host Rush Limbaugh, whose picture appears on-screen and who stands accused of referring to "stupid and unskilled Mexicans" and telling immigrants, "You shut your mouth or you get out."

Limbaugh said this week on his radio show that, with the first comment, he was defending the North American Free Trade Agreement and warning against the idea of rewarding "stupid people" with "no skills" in this country -- that is, Americans -- by keeping their jobs in the United States. He suggested letting "stupid and unskilled Mexicans do that work."

With regard to the second comment, Limbaugh said he was simply parroting the philosophy behind Mexican immigration laws, which are notoriously harsh on migrants from Central and South America.

Limbaugh promised listeners that, on Monday's show, he is going to air Spanish translations of the offending remarks to try to set the record straight and clear the air with Latinos.

I'll be listening. But I don't suppose you could say the same for the folks who created the Obama-Biden ad. It is obvious they don't speak "dittohead." They have probably never listened to Limbaugh or any conservative talkers.

Those of us who do know McCain and his bunch aren't exactly "Republican friends." In fact, they're more like enemies. During the Republican primary, right-wing talk show hosts worked overtime to defeat McCain, preferring the more conservative if less electable alternatives Fred Thompson, Mitt Romney or Mike Huckabee.

As for the claim that Republicans have dos caras (two faces), welcome to politics. On the immigration issue, if they pay attention, Latinos will find plenty of that from Democrats. That party had to balance a courtship of Latino voters, who wanted immigration reform, with the edicts of organized labor, which did not. Labor won. That's the whole point of the McCain-Palin ad.

Finally, as for feeling marginalized in a country you love, I have no doubt that many Latino immigrants do love this country, and they contribute enormously to it. Yet others treat it like an ATM, flout its laws, have no interest in becoming legal or a citizen, and -- when they take to the streets -- see no irony in demanding rights from one country while waving the flag of another. Guess what? Such things have a way of making you feel marginalized.

Here's the shame of it: Both political parties have forgotten how to speak to Latino voters. Instead of explaining how their policies will improve people's lives, they try to scare the life out of them. That's unacceptable -- in any language.

The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of the writer.

Spang · Post by **Spang** » September 19, 2008, 9:43 pm

Hispanics shouldn't be allowed to vote.

Women and black people had to earn their rights to vote.

Kwonryu DragonFist · September 26, 2008, 4:08 am

Palin on Healthcare

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npUMUASwaec

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/09/ ... 9062.shtml

McCain Camp insiders say Palin is "clueless".
Capitol Hill sources say that senator McCains people are more than concerned about Palin.

The campaign has held a mock debate and a mock press conference; both are being described as "disastrous."

One senior McCain aide was quoted as saying, "What are we going to do?" The McCain people want to move this first debate to some later, undetermined date, possibly never.

People on the inside are saying the Alaska Governor is "clueless."

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Last night, we showed you what Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin had to say about the economy (in case you missed it, she said we're at some risk of repeating the Great Depression). Tonight, we'll show you what Katie asked her about foreign policy - and where Palin said she stands. First, a little taste of what's to come.
(CBS)

Katie Couric: You've cited Alaska's proximity to Russia as part of your foreign policy experience. What did you mean by that?

Sarah Palin: That Alaska has a very narrow maritime border between a foreign country, Russia, and, on our other side, the land-boundry that we have with Canada. It's funny that a comment like that was kinda made to … I don't know, you know … reporters.

Couric: Mocked?

Palin: Mocked, yeah I guess that's the word, mocked.

Couric: Well, explain to me why that enhances your foreign-policy credentials.

Palin: Well, it certainly does, because our, our next-door neighbors are foreign countries, there in the state that I am the executive of. And there…

Couric: Have you ever been involved in any negotiations, for example, with the Russians?

Palin: We have trade missions back and forth, we do. It's very important when you consider even national-security issues with Russia. As Putin rears his head and comes into the air space of the United States of America, where do they go? It's Alaska. It's just right over the border. It is from Alaska that we send those out to make sure that an eye is being kept on this very powerful nation, Russia, because they are right next to, they are right next to our state.

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I can see the moon from my bedroom window. Therefore I'm qualified to be an astronaut.

Forthe · Post by **Forthe** » September 28, 2008, 2:39 pm

Any predictions for McCain's next crazy stunt\game changer?

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » September 28, 2008, 2:39 pm

My bet is dumping Palin around mid October.

Nick · Post by **Nick** » September 28, 2008, 2:41 pm

I would love to see someone show McCain that Spain is an ally of the USA. And this guys meant to be stronger on foreign policy?

Fucking la la land.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » September 28, 2008, 2:51 pm

I don't trust the Spaniards. They live right next to France for one thing.

And it pisses me off the the fucking Mexicans speak Spanish. You'd think by now that they'd pick up on English with so many of them picking fruit and cleaning our sidewalks with those smelly gas blowers.

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » September 28, 2008, 7:24 pm

cadalano wrote:hey i've got an idea- lets go ahead and hold anonymous hacker groups to the same standards as our government.

ran across this on eweek

http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Security/Sarah ... 262008STR1

Sarah Palin Hack an Example of Password Recovery Backfire
By Brian Prince
2008-09-19

The ease with which Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin's e-mail was hacked is striking and underscores the importance of improving privacy questions for password recovery. A person claiming responsibility for the hack posted details of what he did Wednesday on a 4chan.org message board. The handle of the poster has been linked to the 20-year-old son of Tennessee Democrat Mike Kernell.

Perhaps the most unsettling thing about the hack on Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin’s Yahoo e-mail account was the way it happened.

Rather than some automated tool or complex virus, Google and Wikipedia searches appear to have been the weapons used to knock down the walls guarding her e-mail.

When news of the hack first circulated Wednesday, it was reported that screenshots of Palin’s account had been passed on to Wikileaks by hackers linked to "Anonymous," a name given to the collection of anonymous posters on 4chan.org's message boards.

However, there are indications now that the attack may have originated with a single hacker identified by the handle “Rubico.” The name has since been linked to the 20-year-old son of Tennessee State Rep. Mike Kernell, a Democrat.

Wednesday, Rubico posted details of the incident on 4chan.org’s popular /b/ board, claiming he was behind the attack. His account of the event has since been removed, but can be viewed here (warning – profanity is used).

As it turns out, his methods of gaining entry were not all that complex. According to his account, he used personal information about Palin obtained through simple Web searches to get around Yahoo’s password recovery feature.

Yahoo required the user provide Palin’s birthday and zip code, which the hacker said he found through Wikipedia and Google. The final security measure required him to answer a question regarding where Palin met her spouse; another Google search turned up the answer.

"I found out later through more research that they met at high school, so I did variations of that, high, high school, eventually hit on “Wasilla high," the hacker wrote on Wednesday. “I promptly changed the password to 'popcorn' and took a cold shower..."

The incident remains under investigation by the FBI and Secret Service. In the meantime, it might be good for Yahoo to consider giving users the ability to create their own security questions, as Gmail does.

Xyun · Post by **Xyun** » September 28, 2008, 9:31 pm

This only proves that Google is infinitely better than Yahoo.

Forthe · Post by **Forthe** » September 28, 2008, 10:23 pm

cadalano · Post by **cadalano** » September 28, 2008, 11:17 pm

replace "anonymous hacker groups" with "somethingawful forumites" and my point is EVEN MORE STRONGER

Xyun · Post by **Xyun** » September 30, 2008, 5:23 am

This is why I love MoveOn.org:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ordae-NBf7c

Gzette · Post by **Gzette** » October 2, 2008, 2:36 pm

Ran across this here: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/02/opini ... ref=slogin

I’m grateful to Bob Rice of Tangent Capital for pointing out that the actuarial risk, based on mortality tables, of Palin becoming president if the Republican ticket wins the election is about 1 in 6 or 7.

That’s the same odds as your birthday falling on a Wednesday, or being delayed on two consecutive flights into Newark airport. Is America ready for that?

We'll see how scary that is after tonight! Even Jim Rome was talking about the deabte today.

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » October 2, 2008, 3:47 pm

http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanm ... ml?showall

Aaaaaand McCain pulls out of Michigan.

Don't let the door hit ya on the way out, you might break a hip!

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » October 2, 2008, 4:28 pm

Of course Michigan is a lost state for the Republicans. The out of work union loving car workers think the democrats are going to save their jobs. Detroit and the U.S. automotive industry represents all that's currently wrong with America. It's the union loving democrats that got us into this mess. Joe Detroit would like nothing better than to suck off a big government tit for their entire lives, worrying more about being overpaid and vacations than making an actual quality product.

Enjoy your soon to be 80% unemployment and Japanese alternative energy cars you losers! Can't wait until your unemployment checks run out and you have to find a non union job, actually having to work for a living. You deserve the pain the democrats will bring by destroying our nation's desire to innovate. God damned fat, lazy, dumbass bums!

Now, McCain is done with Michigan.

Post by **Sylvus** » October 2, 2008, 4:39 pm

Winnow wrote:actually having to work for a living.

Now that is just precious.

Spang · Post by **Spang** » October 2, 2008, 6:44 pm

McCain is emo

Meanwhile, McCain jokingly said Thursday that Obama's poll numbers are rising as the economy seems to sink "because life isn't fair."

"He certainly did nothing for the first few days," McCain told Fox News on Thursday. "I suspended my campaign, took our ads down, came back to Washington, met with the House folks and got on the phone, and also had face-to-face meetings."

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » October 2, 2008, 6:50 pm

Yeah, McCain's poor decision to suspend his campaign certainly was not going to help him. And giving up on Michigan so soon?

Sueven · Post by **Sueven** » October 2, 2008, 8:17 pm

Winnow wrote:That system came under attack in the 1970's and was replaced by a program in which about half the editors are chosen for their grades and the other half are chosen by fellow students after a special writing competition. The new system, disputed when it began, was meant to help insure that minority students became editors of The Law Review.

This is entirely standard law school practice. And Obama was not "one of the editors," he was "editor in chief."

Kwonryu DragonFist · Post by **Kwonryu DragonFist** » October 4, 2008, 7:30 am

Never gonna give you up

Never gonna let you down

Xyun · Post by **Xyun** » October 5, 2008, 6:05 am

Kwonryu DragonFist · Post by **Kwonryu DragonFist** » October 5, 2008, 9:18 am

How about Sarah Palin last night, HHEHH??

How about the job she did, HHEHH??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0r8hhShMyZw

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » October 7, 2008, 10:25 am

Report: U.S. Warplane Forced to Land in Iran

Could this be the election saving crisis?

Truant · Post by **Truant** » October 7, 2008, 2:20 pm

Winnow wrote:
Report: U.S. Warplane Forced to Land in Iran
Could this be the election saving crisis?

If people fall for that a second time.......

Aardor · Post by **Aardor** » October 7, 2008, 2:56 pm

Winnow wrote:
Report: U.S. Warplane Forced to Land in Iran
Could this be the election saving crisis?

Nope: http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/10/ ... index.html

Nick · Post by **Nick** » October 13, 2008, 3:36 am

A bite of reality wrote:I feel that in the next debate, Obama is going to knock McCain for six.

If McCain doesn't bring up Ayers, he will look weak to his party. If he doesn't, Obama can and call him on his crap and make him look like a complete shitheel in front of the world.

If he does bring it up, Obama is still set to make him look like a shitheel. McCain really has few choices in this instance. Especially since if he does bring it up, expect to bring it up in the most smirking snarky way possible. I'll bet it is some kind of offhand remark put out as attempted humor. At that point, I'd love it if Obama came out with a Lloyd Bentsen style soundbite, which will get more play than anything else.

I am hoping to God this is what pans out. I want to hear the lamentations of Rush and Hannity from all the way over here in Australia.

What you're seeing here is the last desperate twist of the Republicans. Obama will be such a narrative changer that they need to try everything to bring him down, and if not, de-legitamize him before he gets into Government. That's why Republican's are so angry. It's because the base realises that there is a better than average chance he will become President, and that they, as the racist homophobic scum that they are, won't be able to do much to stop the fact that a black man did become president, and that he will be awesome at it.

They need Obama to lose, and lose badly. The racists in the party have no where else to go. The GOP covered all their myriad of sins, by giving them the veneer of respectability. Instead of saying "I'm a racist shitheel who believes that we aren't all equal, gently caress you", they can say "I'm a Republican" instead. "Republican" is something which is supposed to mean less government, sound foreign policy and family values. Now it is just the name which covers for intolerance and bigotry. If the Republican party splits, the fiscals leave and the Democratic Party absorbs the moderates, where does that leave the wingnut bigots? Without a party it seems, and without an easy way to cover for their bigotry.

Thats why I believe it is better that Obama won the Democratic Primary compared to Hillary. I don't think Hillary would have led to the possibility of the Republican Party fracturing nearly as much. The time is now to strike at the core and see that the moderates and independants come over to the Democratic Party, and the wingnuts and extremists spend a long long time in the wilderness.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » October 13, 2008, 11:01 am

Sirton wrote:there is suppose to be a tape released out either tomarrow by Clinton Dems or in october by Republicans of obamas wife talking about whitey this whitey that in the Trinity church with farahkan sitting on the panel while shes spouting it.

I would normally call B.S. But why is Hillary still in the race. both democrat and republican sources have reported it being out there......Also a network has it.

Getting more info on it this atm...hold up.

Clinton people saying tape of Michelle Obama denoucing White people at United Trinity. Carl Rove is making a 527 for October surprise...Clinton people are trying to get the tape ASAP...Obama people have the tape too from a obama source, but want to leek the tape themselves after he secures the nomination and to do this at a time they can control the spin on this. This is why he probally why he left his Church this week.

Im thinking this maybe Clinton Spin Doctors at last ditch effort to steal the election...With the Super Delegates.....Or its true.

Whitey here still waiting on the October Surprise! McCain better get on the stick. October is running out...

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » October 13, 2008, 12:17 pm

It appears that ACORN is attempting to take care of the election up front. Voter fraud issues already popping up due to this group.

Xatrei · Post by **Xatrei** » October 13, 2008, 12:43 pm

It appears that the republicans are hoping that masses of easily frothed to a frenzy, right wing morons will not know the difference between voter fraud and registration fraud. By the way, whipping the wingnuts into hysteria over alleged voting fraud is a strategy pouplarized by Karl Rove. This particular tempest in a teapot has the added benefit of providing a nice guilt-by-association tactic for Rove's acolyte Rick Davis to employ (Obama once represented ACORN in a law suit). How do yo like being played like a banjo?

ACORN uses, in many cases, people who are paid per registration to run registration drives. A small number of these contractors are defrauding ACORN by submitting bogus registrations to increase their income. ACORN - BY LAW - must submit all registration forms submitted to them, but they flag ones that they believe to be fraudulent. It is because of this flagging that the examples of registration fraud that the wingnuts are having a meltdown over have come to light in the first place. All that aside, there's no real evidence to support the notion that registration fraud leads to voter fraud. Frankly, there are too many things that get in the way of large-scale voter fraud from occurring. Finally, even if some of these fraudulent registrations did translate into actual votes, they wouldn't come close to overcoming the Republican voter suppression and disenfranchisement shenanigans that have fucked the last two elections, and will no doubt be occurring this time around.

Niffoni · Post by **Niffoni** » October 13, 2008, 1:08 pm

Your assignment for today is to find me just one Republican supporter who had ever even HEARD of ACORN before McCain's campaign started feverishly looking to invent an excuse for losing.

Nick · Post by **Nick** » October 13, 2008, 1:10 pm

Republicans complaining about voter fraud?

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Ok Reps sorry about that, please continue down this legitimate and productive area of discussion for your party and its chances of winning in the November election.

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » October 13, 2008, 1:17 pm

I want to hear the lamentations of Rush and Hannity from all the way over here in Australia.

Crush the enemy...

Xatrei · Post by **Xatrei** » October 13, 2008, 1:27 pm

Aslanna wrote: Whitey here still waiting on the October Surprise! McCain better get on the stick. October is running out...

Why'd he stop talking about this?

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » October 13, 2008, 9:21 pm

Thanks to McCain the economy is turning around! Biggest one day gain in history!

Kwonryu DragonFist · Post by **Kwonryu DragonFist** » October 13, 2008, 9:33 pm

A McCain-supporter.

Nick · Post by **Nick** » October 13, 2008, 9:51 pm

Winnow has a motorbike?

Kwonryu DragonFist · October 13, 2008, 10:12 pm

John McPenguin!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtx97MR08Cg

Xyun · Post by **Xyun** » October 14, 2008, 3:35 am

Kwon, if you like that you really gotta see this. I'm putting it on my blog. lol. check out the moderator, he's buying into it. this is perfect. I also love the supporter in the jail cell and "can I help it if I have enthusiastic supporters?"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l63SRpGXBHE

"What are the issues? There is only one!"

Kwonryu DragonFist · October 14, 2008, 10:58 am

Xyun wrote:Kwon, if you like that you really gotta see this. I'm putting it on my blog. lol.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l63SRpGXBHE
"What are the issues? There is only one!"

Nice one Xyun!

Xyun · Post by **Xyun** » October 15, 2008, 3:35 am

From The Daily Show:

Spang · Post by **Spang** » October 15, 2008, 10:31 pm

Is John McCain gonna start crying?

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » October 15, 2008, 10:38 pm

I think McCain knows he's out of it unless he starts with the drama tactics in this last debate.

Not looking good so far.

Nick · Post by **Nick** » October 15, 2008, 10:49 pm

He's totally lost the fucking plot.

Anyone who would vote for this man really must be mentally disabled.

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » October 15, 2008, 11:28 pm

That was Obama's best debate out of all 3. McCain reeked of desperation during this debate. He kept trying to throw that knockout punch, put Obama just shrugged them all off and came back even harder. Obama also came off much smoother and honest in his answers. Just like Hillary, all of McCain's negetive campaigning came around to bite him in the ass. I am very happy to see that. It likely will not be an end to negetive campaigning, but I hope everyone thinks twice about using them in the future.

Obama 8.5
McCain 5

Easy Obama win.

Xatrei · Post by **Xatrei** » October 15, 2008, 11:32 pm

OMG what a strange exchange at the end when they shook hands. "GOOD JOB GOOD JOB GOOD JOB, YEAH THANKS"

valryte · Post by **valryte** » October 15, 2008, 11:49 pm

McCain, "Sarah Palin will bring bresh, breash, fresh..."

Freudian slip?...

McCain started out well, but went downhill somewhere in the middle. I was a bit disappointed that Obama didn't take the chance to really push on Palin, whereas McCain having the last word on the VP question took a stab at Biden. But who knows, if Obama had done it maybe it would have back fired on him somehow. Not that we really need Obama to tell us how ridiculous a choice Sarah Palin is for VP. Anyways, I believe that angry old man needs to ride on Obama's plane a bit more and smoke some weed to mellow out.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » October 16, 2008, 12:33 am

I missed the very first part. Did either candidate discuss the fact that we had a top ten all time single day percentage loss in the DJIA, and the second biggest percentage loss since 1987? I guess we're used to monster dives now.

Percentage loss really puts that 1987 crash into perspective.