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[Canelek]

Considering most cops are borderline illiterate, it would not surprise me that a simple outline would be difficult.

[Estrosiath Durothil]

/shrug...

Call me a douchebag if you like (way to go on the insults btw... Did I insult anyone in my post?), but you're the one living in the country with the highest rate of murder by firearm in the Western world, which (totally coincidentally, I am sure!) also has some of the laxest laws regarding gun controls. While I am safe and sound in "god-forsaken", "socialist" Europe.

You don't need guns to murder someone, but it facilitates the deed... whether you like it or not.

And for the record, I don't "hate" America (what's with Americans thinking we hate them? I am critiquing... Not saying it's a piece of shit country filled with meth junkies and redneck fanatics who think anyone who has different ideas is a communist). I happen to like it quite a lot. Very different from what I was used to, for sure. I liked the fact it was still so empty, and that nature is still so widespread. The only thing I disliked (apart from not feeling totally safe when walking home at night) was the fact you really can't walk around, except in cities (and even then - I didn't know DC, walked around a couple of times, and I found it weird how one block can look like the worst ghetto and the next block look clean and normal). It's made for cars, which is a pity.

Go figure!

[miir]

way to go on the insults btw... Did I insult anyone in my post?

That's just the way it is here.
Especially in this forum.

[Gzette]

I guess this is the gun thread. Here's an interesting read:

Ammunition Shortage, fear of Obama to blame

Ammunition shortage hitting Central Texas
Stores and gun owners say some calibers are almost impossible to find.

By Jeremy Schwartz
AMERICAN-STATESMAN STAFF
Thursday, April 23, 2009

On a recent afternoon, the shelves that usually stock handgun ammunition at the Cabela's sporting goods store in Buda sat mostly empty, save for a few stray boxes.

It was the same story at Academy a few exits up Interstate 35. And well-established Austin gun shops like Red's, McBride's and Tex-Guns report deep shortages in nearly all calibers of handgun bullets.

A nationwide bullet drought has hit Central Texas with a vengeance. Beginning around the time President Barack Obama was elected, the shortage has made some .380-, .45-, .357- and .38-caliber ammunition as rare as an Austin snowstorm.

Longtime gun dealers say the current ammunition shortage is historic. "We've seen runs on various things before, but never this sustained or this lengthy," said Chuck Wagnon, whose family owns Tex-Guns in South Austin. "It's been a buying frenzy."

"Literally we can almost sell anything we can get, and we're not getting much," said Joe McBride, owner of McBride's Guns in Austin.

The Austin shortage is just part of a nationwide paucity of ammunition that most agree began with fear that the Obama administration will regulate, ban or tax guns and ammunition.

Worry has centered on a suggestion by U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder that Obama will push for a revival of an assault weapon ban that expired under President George W. Bush. And Internet rumors have run rampant, warning, among other things, that Obama plans a 500 percent tax on ammunition.

"Once the election happened, people became very concerned and began increasing purchases," McBride said. "It really started at the tail end of last year."

Last year also saw brisk gun sales, and especially of semiautomatic rifles, sparked by worry that a Democratic president would reinstate bans and waiting periods for handguns. That soon spread to ammunition, where demand quickly outstripped supply.

Although he supported a reinstatement of a ban on semi-automatic weapons during his campaign, Obama has since backed away from such sentiments.

But that hasn't slowed the demand for ammo. It's become so bad that local dealers have begun placing limits on how many rounds customers can buy, hoping to give more people a chance to buy bullets on those rare days when new stock arrives. Meanwhile, prices on some calibers have risen two or threefold since last year. On gunbroker.com, 150 rounds of hard-to-find .380-caliber bullets are selling for $125, several times as high as pre-shortage prices.

Neil Fees, a Horseshoe Bay investor, spent two days this week searching for 9 mm bullets at various Austin gun shops. He arrived at Red's shooting range in South Austin on Wednesday after hearing a tip from a fellow searcher, but soon learned Red's is saving its precious stash for those using them at its firing range.

"There just isn't anything anywhere," Fees said. "I've got a gun but no bullets ... People are freaking out."

McBride says heavy demand only tells part of the story.

"I will tell you that supply isn't existing," he said. "I hear the conclusion that people are buying everything they can buy, and there's a lot to that, but there isn't anything out there to buy."

Manufacturers insist they are producing as many bullets as they can.

"Remington Arms is operating at full capacity and will continue to do so," said Al Russo, spokesman for the North Carolina-based company. "We're producing more today and more this month than we have produced in the past."

Some longtime gun dealers believe the supply chain has simply been depleted by the recent run on ammunition.

"My guess is we'll see some loosening in four to six months," Wagnon said. "I don't think the manufacturers can make it quick enough."

The ammunition shortages have also affected law enforcement agencies across the country, particularly in smaller police and sheriff's departments. In Florence, in northern Williamson County, Police Chief Jeffery Dever said prices have spiked so dramatically that his department's ammunition budget mushroomed from about $1,000 to about $4,000.

He's also been forced to order ammunition months earlier than normal to make sure his officers have bullets. "We knew it would be difficult to get a hold of (ammunition)," he said.

Both the Travis County Sheriff's Department and the Austin Police Department say they are well positioned to weather the drought. "We haven't experienced any problems getting orders," said Travis County sheriff's department spokesman Roger Wade. "We're not ramping up orders."

Lt. Randy Pasley said the Austin Police Department orders its ammunition from a local distributor about six months in advance.

"We placed our order well before these recent things came out in the news," he said. "Right now if we manage it well and order far enough in advance, we can meet all of our needs."

Pasley said most of the department's ammunition is used during cadet training. The next class is scheduled for September, and Pasley said he doesn't expect any shortages.

But for gun owners who can't find bullets, the shortage remains acute — and troublesome.

"It makes people nervous," said Alice Tripp, the legislative director of the Texas State Rifle Association. "If you go to (gun shops) and see empty shelves, it makes people nervous and uncomfortable."

obviously the emphasis added is mine

[Canelek]

way to go on the insults btw... Did I insult anyone in my post?

That's just the way it is here.
Especially in this forum.

Correct! If you don't belong in a category, you are placed into a category. Here, we have 2 categories.

Level-headed discourse has no place here, Frenchy!

[Zaelath]

We have way more than 1....Miir, Zaeleth, and Nick all pop directly to mind.

To be fair I only bash the rednecks, also, not euro...

[Aslanna]

Considering most cops are borderline illiterate, it would not surprise me that a simple outline would be difficult.

It's not tracing. They add depth and shading to give the image more definition. Only then does the dead body really take shape.

[Winnow]

Canadians still have the stench of Euro on them! (not to mention the added Frenchie smells)

[Wulfran]

Canadians still have the stench of Euro on them! (not to mention the added Frenchie smells)

Considering you're the one that went to school in Europe and who lives in a country where the French had to win your rebellion for you...

[Canelek]

Considering most cops are borderline illiterate, it would not surprise me that a simple outline would be difficult.

It's not tracing. They add depth and shading to give the image more definition. Only then does the dead body really take shape.

whatever, tracer

[Aslanna]

Considering most cops are borderline illiterate, it would not surprise me that a simple outline would be difficult.

It's not tracing. They add depth and shading to give the image more definition. Only then does the dead body really take shape.

whatever, tracer

I'LL TRACE A CHALK LINE AROUND YOUR DEAD FUCKING BODY, YOU FUCK?! YOUR MOTHER'S A TRACER!!

[Canelek]

Haha! Awesome. That reminds me I need to add to my DVD library.

[Funkmasterr]

Considering most cops are borderline illiterate, it would not surprise me that a simple outline would be difficult.

It's not tracing. They add depth and shading to give the image more definition. Only then does the dead body really take shape.

whatever, tracer

I'LL TRACE A CHALK LINE AROUND YOUR DEAD FUCKING BODY, YOU FUCK?! YOUR MOTHER'S A TRACER!!

I want to hate you so much, but this made me laugh my ass off.

[Soreali]

Considering most cops are borderline illiterate, it would not surprise me that a simple outline would be difficult.

It's not tracing. They add depth and shading to give the image more definition. Only then does the dead body really take shape.

whatever, tracer

I'LL TRACE A CHALK LINE AROUND YOUR DEAD FUCKING BODY, YOU FUCK?! YOUR MOTHER'S A TRACER!!

I want to hate you so much, but this made me laugh my ass off.

He wishes he could quit you Aslanna.

[Winnow]

Canadians still have the stench of Euro on them! (not to mention the added Frenchie smells)

Considering you're the one that went to school in Europe and who lives in a country where the French had to win your rebellion for you...

I scrub myself with a Brillo pad every morning trying to get any remnants of Euroness off of me!

[Drasta]

Canadians still have the stench of Euro on them! (not to mention the added Frenchie smells)

Considering you're the one that went to school in Europe and who lives in a country where the French had to win your rebellion for you...

" don't burn our city, we surrender" /belly up

[Aabidano]

...a country where the French had to win your rebellion for you...

I'm going to use that

[dibit_eq]

<news link and citation stuff >

Wait... ok... This problem I'm reading here is this:

1. Obama will take all the guns/bullets away
2. Gun owners buy every bullet they can to keep a stockpile going
3. Bullet suppliers run out of stock too fast for the slow bullet shoppers to get their own munitions
4. Slow bullet shoppers are distressed that they cannot get more bullets
5. Fast bullet buyers are even stopping law enforcement agencies from obtaining bullets for police.

so here's my question... Why are people worried or distressed? It's not like the bullet tree forests are dying out. They even claim that munition manufacturers are selling these items like mad. It's not really a shortage, but an booming demand for bullets. This entire problem is caused by the knee-jerk reactions of some people who are preparing for Obama's Civil War 2.0 when he steals our guns.

Seriously... if Obama tries to outlaw guns in the U.S. (which is just fear-mongering imo since they've said the same thing about Clinton during his 8 years) Obama would be committing political suicide for him and his entire party.

[Gzette]

It's not a problem, it's like a stimulus package for the bullet industry. Obama you genius!