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noel · Post by **noel** » June 18, 2003, 3:03 pm

Krimson Klaw wrote:You are arguing my point for me, it's still a CHOICE that they have to make, it just so happens that the two choices (to stay or to leave) carry significantly more weight than the average choice does.

Krims, I have much respect for you, but there's not a thing you can say to me that will convince me that you can draw any comparisons between choosing a religion, or being gay or straight.

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » June 18, 2003, 3:16 pm

That's not even the focus of my argument, the focus is how he hates so many forms of discrimination, but then he himself discriminates against religion. I am not trying to debate the rights, wrongs, or sciences of being gay, I am making a parallel between sexual discrimination (admittedly as best I can) and religious discrimination, or any type of discrimination for that matter.

Xyun's argument is he does not discriminate against anything that someone is born with, color, sexual preference (I'll give him this point for arguments sake) etc. So it's ok to discriminate against someone that's poor? Does not wear nice clothes? Or someone that lost a leg in a car accident? I just can't be ok with someone like Xyun interviweing me for a job, and me not getting the job due to my wheelchair from a car accident, me being a muslim, or me having lost my life savings from bad investments and not having nice clothes. I just can't accept it in America. I don't think America as a whole will accept his line of reasoning, I mean he even agrees with me via his own words:

Xyun wrote: If a person cannot tolerate the prevailing way of thought of his own society, he/she will be made a pariah of that society. If a person cannot tolerate a segment of his own society, he/she should not be a part of that society.

But then it's ok (to him, using his logic) to discriminate against someone due to religion? I just found a hypocritical statement and decided to have him stand up and defend it.

Atokal · Post by **Atokal** » June 18, 2003, 4:29 pm

Xyun wrote:There is no hypocracy. You are making the same mistake Toker made by correlating religion to these different things.

People choose to be Christian, Jewish, Muslim, etc. They do not choose to be white or black, male or female, gay or straight. I discriminate against people's actions, yes! As does every other fucking person on the planet, and they should.

And because people make a choice to belong to a religion it is ok to discriminate against them. You fucking hypocritcal moron. Time and again on these boards I have seen you agree with, applaud etc those that think racial or religious profiling (discrimination) is wrong. However in your stupidity you come out the other side of the argument as an intolerate neanderthal slamming Christians for their beliefs.

The bigger the idiot the more the discrimination, so I suppose you have declared a JIHAD on yourself. You fucking tool.

Either discrimination is wrong or it is right there is no middle ground you fence sitting piece of shit.

Cheers

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » June 18, 2003, 4:31 pm

why did you use the term jihad? because xyun is from arab descent? you think this an appropriate line of discussion?

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » June 18, 2003, 4:33 pm

kyoukan wrote:why did you use the term jihad? because xyun is from arab descent? you think this an appropriate line of discussion?

I might ask the same thing about your Cracker comment.

Zamtuk · Post by **Zamtuk** » June 18, 2003, 10:30 pm

Kyoukan is white, she can call anyone a cracker if she wants to. So can I. So can you. So fucking what?

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » June 19, 2003, 12:15 am

/emote shoves Zamtuk, Cartalas, and Kyoukan out of the way. Still waiting on someone to bail Xyun out. Explain it to me.

Mak · Post by **Mak** » June 19, 2003, 12:40 am

Krimson, I too am curious about that answer.

I don't know how anyone can justify feeling it's ok to discrimate against one aspect of a person but not another.

What happens if one meets an Arab Christian? It would be ok to discrimate against him because he's a Christian but not because he's an Arab?

Xyun, if we change a single word, your philosophy would say that it's ok to "kill" a christian but not a homosexual- but you would still be a murderer nonetheless.

Xyun · Post by **Xyun** » June 19, 2003, 1:12 am

Either discrimination is wrong or it is right there is no middle ground you fence sitting piece of shit.

Discrimination itself is not necessarily wrong. It is the basis for the discrimination that requires a value judgement. If I run a business and hire my friend over a more qualified person, I am discriminating based on the fact that, well, he's my friend. If I hire the more qualified person, I'm discriminating based on skill, no matter what decision I make, discrimination plays a part. Unfortunately, the word itself has attained such a negative connotation that eyes widen and jaws drop when it is used in the first person. To make a generalization such as the above quote is to commit a logical fallacy, and nothing less could be expected of its author.

Judging people based on the content of their character (MLK) is not wrong. I judge everyone I meet in this manner and yes I discriminate. But so do you. I can see why you sobs would be offended that I discriminate against you-- because you choose to follow a trite outdated barbaric religion that tells you that my discrimination towards you is immoral. But wtf do I care, really? You're all a bunch of fucking idiots.

Zamtuk · Post by **Zamtuk** » June 19, 2003, 3:28 am

Everyone discriminates. That is the simple fact of the matter. Sitting here arguing that you aren't is fucking stupid.

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » June 19, 2003, 8:49 am

Xyun wrote:
Either discrimination is wrong or it is right there is no middle ground you fence sitting piece of shit.

Discrimination itself is not necessarily wrong. It is the basis for the discrimination that requires a value judgement. If I run a business and hire my friend over a more qualified person, I am discriminating based on the fact that, well, he's my friend. If I hire the more qualified person, I'm discriminating based on skill, no matter what decision I make, discrimination plays a part. Unfortunately, the word itself has attained such a negative connotation that eyes widen and jaws drop when it is used in the first person. To make a generalization such as the above quote is to commit a logical fallacy, and nothing less could be expected of its author.

Judging people based on the content of their character (MLK) is not wrong. I judge everyone I meet in this manner and yes I discriminate. But so do you. I can see why you sobs would be offended that I discriminate against you-- because you choose to follow a trite outdated barbaric religion that tells you that my discrimination towards you is immoral. But wtf do I care, really? You're all a bunch of fucking idiots.

That answers my question 100% about you and your stance. Just for clarifications sake though, your comment about choosing a qualified person for a job over a friend as being discrimination lends me to believe that you nor Zamtuk fully understand discriminations meaning in regards to hiring practices, here, let me sum up: *To make distinctions on the basis of class or category without regard to individual merit.* You definantly have an amazing point of view. Debate over just like I promised.

Zamtuk · Post by **Zamtuk** » June 19, 2003, 1:27 pm

Krimson Klaw wrote:Just for clarifications sake though, your comment about choosing a qualified person for a job over a friend as being discrimination lends me to believe that you nor Zamtuk fully understand discriminations meaning in regards to hiring practices, here, let me sum up: *To make distinctions on the basis of class or category without regard to individual merit.* You definantly have an amazing point of view. Debate over just like I promised.

What the fuck are you talking about? I didn't offer any of my opinions on the matter. My statement was a broad one and did not pertain to jobs in particular. I understand the meaning of discrimination perfectly well. First hand? No probably not, but well enough to explain them.

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » June 19, 2003, 1:32 pm

That was a retort for your eloquent "everyone discriminates, so shutup about it" post.

Kargyle · Post by **Kargyle** » June 19, 2003, 1:40 pm

Krimson Klaw wrote:*To make distinctions on the basis of class or category without regard to individual merit.*

Not that I agree with Xyun, but that is only one or part of the defintion of discriminate. At it's root it means to tell the difference between things.

To make a clear distinction; distinguish

So, on that level, what Xyun is saying about hiring his buddy is correct. You can call it discrimination, you just aren't discriminating by the popular connotation of the word.

Zamtuk · Post by **Zamtuk** » June 19, 2003, 1:44 pm

Krimson Klaw wrote:That was a retort for your eloquent "everyone discriminates, so shutup about it" post.

Yes, but you applied a specific retort to a broad statement.

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » June 19, 2003, 1:50 pm

Kargyle wrote:
Krimson Klaw wrote:*To make distinctions on the basis of class or category without regard to individual merit.*
Not that I agree with Xyun, but that is only one or part of the defintion of discriminate. At it's root it means to tell the difference between things.

To make a clear distinction; distinguish

So, on that level, what Xyun is saying about hiring his buddy is correct. You can call it discrimination, you just aren't discriminating by the popular connotation of the word.

Kargyle, he himself called it discrimination in the buddy scenario, he just used the word in the wrong way.

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » June 19, 2003, 4:27 pm

We have a update.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/06/ ... index.html

Mak · Post by **Mak** » June 19, 2003, 7:43 pm

Xyun wrote:
Either discrimination is wrong or it is right there is no middle ground you fence sitting piece of shit.
Discrimination itself is not necessarily wrong. It is the basis for the discrimination that requires a value judgement. If I run a business and hire my friend over a more qualified person, I am discriminating based on the fact that, well, he's my friend. If I hire the more qualified person, I'm discriminating based on skill, no matter what decision I make, discrimination plays a part. Unfortunately, the word itself has attained such a negative connotation that eyes widen and jaws drop when it is used in the first person. To make a generalization such as the above quote is to commit a logical fallacy, and nothing less could be expected of its author...

Kargyle wrote:Not that I agree with Xyun, but that is only one or part of the defintion of discriminate. At it's root it means to tell the difference between things.

To make a clear distinction; distinguish

So, on that level, what Xyun is saying about hiring his buddy is correct. You can call it discrimination, you just aren't discriminating by the popular connotation of the word.

Ah, so when it comes to discrimination, some people are hate-filled, redneck Nazis; others are enlightened and cultured intellectuals because they own a dictionary. Got it.

Seriously, while I fully understand the technical definition of the word, that semantic rationalization makes it all too easy to blur the truth in almost every circumstance. That type of thinking is the very definition of the "good ol' boy network" that is so often decried in Affirmative Action debates. "I didn't discriminate him because he was black, I discriminated against him because I'm friends with this white guy over here." Good luck with that.

And, frankly, I didn't get the impression that Xyun's "discrimination" of Christians was made in that innocent connotation of the word.

Kargyle · Post by **Kargyle** » June 19, 2003, 8:42 pm

I didn't get that impression that it was meant in that light either. As I stated, I don't agree with Xyun's views, I think they are every bit as bad as some Klansman hating a black person just because his skin is a different color. But that doesn't change the fact that his use of the word discrimination is accurate. Technically, by the base defintion of the word, any time you chose one thing over another you have discriminated, because you made a distinction between them and made your decision based on that. If chose to play PlanetSide rather than EverQuest I've discriminated against EverQuest because I made a distinction between which is more fun, or whatever I used as the basis for my decision. However, I think using something extraneous such as skin color, genger, religion, or a myriad of other things for the basis of liking or disliking, hiring or not hiring, ect... is just asinine, and I would decry anyone that does so. I hope that clarifies my position.

Atokal · Post by **Atokal** » June 20, 2003, 11:01 am

Krimson Klaw wrote:/emote shoves Zamtuk, Cartalas, and Kyoukan out of the way. Still waiting on someone to bail Xyun out. Explain it to me.

There is no bailing out for Xyun my friend. He has exposed himself as a biggoted, hypocritical, jackass. I take that back as it is an insult to the jackass.

His stance based upon comments made on these boards where he decries racism or discrimination for people of middle eastern decent and yet finds nothing wrong in slamming Christians for their beliefs exposed him as a fool.

Nothing more need be said regarding this individuals racist nature.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Racist

Racist

adj 1: based on racial intolerance; "racist remarks" 2: discriminatory especially on the basis of race or religion [syn: antiblack, anti-Semitic, anti-Semite(a)] n : a person with a prejudiced belief that one race is superior to others [syn: racialist]

Cheers

vn_Tanc · Post by **vn_Tanc** » June 20, 2003, 11:18 am

Christians are a race since when?

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » June 20, 2003, 11:21 am

vn_Tanc wrote:Christians are a race since when?

No they are a Religion see above. And you call me a moron

vn_Tanc · Post by **vn_Tanc** » June 20, 2003, 11:51 am

yet finds nothing wrong in slamming Christians for their beliefs exposed him as a fool.

Nothing more need be said regarding this individuals racist nature.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Racist

Discriminating against a religion is not racism.
Hang on, why am I bothering?
nm.

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » June 20, 2003, 11:58 am

Again for the thick headed.

adj 1: based on racial intolerance; "racist remarks" 2: discriminatory especially on the basis of race or religion [syn: antiblack, anti-Semitic, anti-Semite(a)] n : a person with a prejudiced belief that one race is superior to others [syn: racialist]

Atokal · Post by **Atokal** » June 20, 2003, 12:00 pm

Read the definition I supplied for tards like you Tanc.

If you have trouble with the big words shoot me a PM and I will have Kyoustupid dummy it up for you.

Cheers

noel · Post by **noel** » June 20, 2003, 12:07 pm

I realize that's not your definition, Toker, but it's highly innacurate IMHO.

Here's the definition from Merriam Webster:

Main Entry: rac·ism
Pronunciation: 'rA-"si-z&m also -"shi-
Function: noun
Date: 1936
1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
2 : racial prejudice or discrimination
- rac·ist /-sist also -shist/ noun or adjective

vn_Tanc · Post by **vn_Tanc** » June 20, 2003, 12:18 pm

OMG I'm getting pwned by Atokal and Cartalas. It's like Clash of the Titans only with fucking spastics instead of Titans.

Anti-Semitism is racism against Jews. Ethnic Jews, not followers of Judaism who may or may not be ethnic Jews. I'd imagine there is some blurring of the definitions cos people seem quite happy to misuse words then champion their idiocy with no shame.

I dunno what dictionary that shit came from but to imply racism is a form of discrimination based on anything other than *drumroll* race, is just plain fucking wrong by definition.

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » June 20, 2003, 12:23 pm

Aranuil wrote:I realize that's not your definition, Toker, but it's highly innacurate IMHO.

Here's the definition from Merriam Webster:
Main Entry: rac·ism
Pronunciation: 'rA-"si-z&m also -"shi-
Function: noun
Date: 1936
1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
2 : racial prejudice or discrimination
- rac·ist /-sist also -shist/ noun or adjective

From the same site

One entry found for racism.

Entry Word: racism
Function: noun
Text: racial prejudice or discrimination <an act of overt racism>
Synonyms racialism
Related Word discrimination, prejudice; illiberality, unfairness; bias, one-sidedness, partiality
Contrasted Words broad-mindedness, liberalness, open-mindedness, tolerance; indifference, neutrality

See the word Discrimination?

Main Entry: dis·crim·i·na·tion
Pronunciation: dis-"kri-m&-'nA-sh&n
Function: noun
Date: 1648
1 a : the act of discriminating b : the process by which two stimuli differing in some aspect are responded to differently
2 : the quality or power of finely distinguishing
3 a : the act, practice, or an instance of discriminating categorically rather than individually b : prejudiced or prejudicial outlook, action, or treatment <racial discrimination>
synonym see DISCERNMENT
- dis·crim·i·na·tion·al /-shn&l, -sh&-n&l/ adjective

vn_Tanc · Post by **vn_Tanc** » June 20, 2003, 12:29 pm

See any mention of religion? Nope.

Remember as far back as this?:

Quote:
yet finds nothing wrong in slamming Christians for their beliefs exposed him as a fool.

Nothing more need be said regarding this individuals racist nature.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Racist

Discriminating against a religion is not racism.

I'm done leading you horses to water.

noel · Post by **noel** » June 20, 2003, 1:08 pm

Cartalas wrote:From the same site

One entry found for racism.

Entry Word: racism
Function: noun
Text: racial prejudice or discrimination <an act of overt racism>
Synonyms racialism
Related Word discrimination, prejudice; illiberality, unfairness; bias, one-sidedness, partiality
Contrasted Words broad-mindedness, liberalness, open-mindedness, tolerance; indifference, neutrality

See the word Discrimination?

Main Entry: dis·crim·i·na·tion
Pronunciation: dis-"kri-m&-'nA-sh&n
Function: noun
Date: 1648
1 a : the act of discriminating b : the process by which two stimuli differing in some aspect are responded to differently
2 : the quality or power of finely distinguishing
3 a : the act, practice, or an instance of discriminating categorically rather than individually b : prejudiced or prejudicial outlook, action, or treatment <racial discrimination>
synonym see DISCERNMENT
- dis·crim·i·na·tion·al /-shn&l, -sh&-n&l/ adjective

Cart, do not try my patience. Go look up the word synonym, and then go look up 'related words'. They do not mean the same thing.

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » June 20, 2003, 1:50 pm

Im done arguing the subject I have a defenition that says one thing you have a defenition that says another. End of disscussion for me.

noel · Post by **noel** » June 20, 2003, 1:55 pm

Cartalas wrote:Im done arguing the subject I have a defenition that says one thing you have a defenition that says another. End of disscussion for me.

Definitions are found in a dictionary, not in the FUCKING THESAURUS YOU TOOL.

Kargyle · Post by **Kargyle** » June 20, 2003, 2:15 pm

It sounds as if yall are having a semantic arguement about the word racist, and how it applies to Xyun's views about Christians. If that's the case, why not just simplify and call it bigotry and have done? It isn't like bigotry is any better than rascism. If I'm mistaken, then please, just ignore me.

Atokal · Post by **Atokal** » June 20, 2003, 2:27 pm

Uh Tanc for your information the term Jews does not denote a race of people. The common followers of Judiasm are called Israelites, that is a race. So anti-semitism is discrimination against a RELIGION as Jews are followers of Judaism.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » June 20, 2003, 2:28 pm

It's not really a semantic argument. Merriam Webster is an accredited dictionary; "dictionary.reference.com" is not.

noel · Post by **noel** » June 20, 2003, 2:53 pm

Atokal wrote:Uh Tanc for your information the term Jews does not denote a race of people. The common followers of Judiasm are called Israelites, that is a race. So anti-semitism is discrimination against a RELIGION as Jews are followers of Judaism.

Get with the program.

We covered this earlier on the thread, and it was pretty much decided that it could go either way.

Anti-Semitism is specific to Jews only, so it doesn't cover general religious bigotry.

Karg, the argument I'm having isn't semantic. Atokal and Cartalas are asserting that the word racist denotes an individual that not only discriminates based on race, but also on religion, and this is a fallacy.

This word. It does not mean what you think it means!

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » June 20, 2003, 2:55 pm

Aranuil wrote:
Cartalas wrote:Im done arguing the subject I have a defenition that says one thing you have a defenition that says another. End of disscussion for me.
Definitions are found in a dictionary, not in the FUCKING THESAURUS YOU TOOL.

You are right but if you open your eyes a little wider sir you will see I also posted a dictonary definition. But your so quick to jump all over me. Like I said again there are 2 different definitions of the word racist they have been posted you can believe either one I chose to believe the one i posted and Aktol posted.

Post by **Sylvus** » June 20, 2003, 3:00 pm

kyoukan wrote:It's not really a semantic argument. Merriam Webster is an accredited dictionary; "dictionary.reference.com" is not.

Eh, it's a collection of accredited dictionaries. I prefer it to m-w.com.

http://dictionary.reference.com/help/about.html

Mplor · Post by **Mplor** » June 21, 2003, 12:16 am

Aranuil wrote:This word. It does not mean what you think it means!

Brotha and Atokal resurface simultaneously to join Cartalas in an orgy of ignorance? INCONCEIVABLE!

Vaemas · Post by **Vaemas** » June 21, 2003, 1:39 am

Atokal wrote:Uh Tanc for your information the term Jews does not denote a race of people. The common followers of Judiasm are called Israelites, that is a race. So anti-semitism is discrimination against a RELIGION as Jews are followers of Judaism.

Try again Toker.

Main Entry: Jew
Pronunciation: 'jü
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Old French gyu, from Latin Judaeus, from Greek Ioudaios, from Hebrew YehudhI, from YehudhAh Judah, Jewish kingdom
Date: 13th century
1 a : a member of the tribe of Judah b : ISRAELITE
2 : a member of a nation existing in Palestine from the 6th century B.C. to the 1st century A.D.
3 : a person belonging to a continuation through descent or conversion of the ancient Jewish people
4 : one whose religion is Judaism

Main Entry: an·ti-Sem·i·tism
Pronunciation: "an-ti-'se-m&-"ti-z&m, "an-"tI-
Function: noun
Date: 1882
: hostility toward or discrimination against Jews as a religious, ethnic, or racial group

Xyun · Post by **Xyun** » June 21, 2003, 6:29 am

ROFL

If Christians are a race then I'm a racist. Of course, only a complete baffoon would try to say that Christians are a race, and it is not at all suprising to find that there are a couple of people on this board with this contention. Luckily for me, their reputation speaks for itself. Anyone who finds these 2 guys as their adversary in an argument should feel pretty confident in the soundness of his/her argument, as I do now.

Those that call me a bigot, a hypocrite, or a racist (again lol) do not understand what I am saying. I never said I cannot tolerate Christians, nor did I say I hate all Christians. In fact, my best friend and most of my friends are Christians. However, I do hate Christianity and most mass religions and this leads me to discriminate against them. I do not believe that my hate towards mass religion is unjustified, considering its history.

Ceredwin · Post by **Ceredwin** » June 22, 2003, 7:00 pm

Do you also hate Islam, another mass religion?

Xyun · Post by **Xyun** » June 23, 2003, 12:58 am

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » June 23, 2003, 12:18 pm

/siiiiiiiighhhhhhhhh, you cant compare discrimination between religion and sexual orientation. There both a form of "lifestyle", but one is something you are born with, and one is something you choose. Nazism is a lifestyle, i discriminate against those assholes...

a religion is an orginization with a set of beliefs, just like say "naziism",... if i was a native american during the time of the spanish conquistadores your god damn streght i would hate fucking christians, if xyun has been exposed to a certain type of people who he feels that there religious CHOICE is idiotic then that is not the same type of discrimination as hating something becouse of a physical or biological trait, with the logic you all are using, it would be discrimination to dislike anyone, and by definition i think it is

Neither of my parents were religious, but my grandmother took me to churh a lot and tryed to expose me to catholocism (sp) and until i was about 12ish, i believed it pretty blindly, until i was exposed to different ideas in the world and was able to relize that christianity did not appeal to me in MANY ways

most people who believe in christianity or any religion blindly and defend it negitivally, are people that have lived a very sheltered life and have a large level of ignorance, of course, that is a lot different then being able to go out and hoose your own religion, so it is not "discrimination", the same scenario goes for the bombers of 911, they were exposed to a religion blindly and they actually believed in going to heaven with 90 virgins or whatever it was

Atokal · Post by **Atokal** » June 23, 2003, 3:38 pm

Xyun wrote:ROFL

Those that call me a bigot, a hypocrite, or a racist (again lol) do not understand what I am saying. I never said I cannot tolerate Christians, nor did I say I hate all Christians. In fact, my best friend and most of my friends are Christians. However, I do hate Christianity and most mass religions and this leads me to discriminate against them. I do not believe that my hate towards mass religion is unjustified, considering its history.

Xyun wrote:
Christians being discriminated against? ROFL! I discriminate against Christians because it would take a class A moron to believe in 2000 year old mythology.

So your friends are CLASS A morons?

Birds of a feather

I will retract the racist comment I made earlier. I thought when I read the defination that perhaps the word had been modified to encompass all forms of discrimination in this age of hatred. You are still an asshole of the first order and a bigot.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » June 23, 2003, 4:06 pm

Xzion wrote:/siiiiiiiighhhhhhhhh, you cant compare discrimination between religion and sexual orientation. There both a form of "lifestyle", but one is something you are born with, and one is something you choose. Nazism is a lifestyle, i discriminate against those assholes...

Without getting into the source of sexual orientation, there are lifestyle choices even within gaydom. Last week, we had the annual Gay Pride Parade here. Which, as always, was a bunch of fags dressed up as women, fags in rainbow banana-huggers, fags holding signs with cocks on them, ect. In other words, they were living proof for every negative gay stereotype that the gay activist groups spend every other day of the year decrying.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » June 23, 2003, 4:55 pm

masteen wrote:Without getting into the source of sexual orientation, there are lifestyle choices even within gaydom. Last week, we had the annual Gay Pride Parade here. Which, as always, was a bunch of fags dressed up as women, fags in rainbow banana-huggers, fags holding signs with cocks on them, ect. In other words, they were living proof for every negative gay stereotype that the gay activist groups spend every other day of the year decrying.

yes way to miss the entire point. I guess irony and self-parody isn't a very effective very tool with the stupid and intolerant.

Mak · Post by **Mak** » June 23, 2003, 5:44 pm

Being gay is natural, acting out gay lifestyle stereotypes is a choice. I think that was the point he was trying to get across.

Xyun · Post by **Xyun** » June 24, 2003, 3:51 am

Atokal wrote:So your friends are CLASS A morons?

Unfortunately, many of them were. After hanging out with me for a while, they have moved up a little, now they are like class C and D morons. Soon, they will stop being morons altogether. I wish the same could be said about you.