The scientific angle?

Chidoro · Post by **Chidoro** » June 18, 2003, 12:16 pm

http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/06/17/mccor ... index.html

Are they protecting us against ourselves or is it different agenda I wonder

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » June 18, 2003, 12:25 pm

sounds like she's gone flaky in her old age, found jesus and is being brainwashed into overturning her ruling by some flaky religious "leader."

her biggest reason seems to be "abortion is bad because it hurts women." gee thanks. screw freedoms; abortion hurts women!

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » June 18, 2003, 12:39 pm

i heard her say this during the 2000 election cycle.

i think she is just being paraded out by the GOP again as we build up for the 2004 election cycle.

probably part of their 'market research' for how conservative can they go in Bush's platform on the abortion issue.

Marbus · Post by **Marbus** » June 18, 2003, 1:39 pm

While you are probably right Voronwe do you not think she was pretty much used before as well?

She was a carnival worker who had 3 kids by the age of what 17? or was it 21? either way, and I could be wrong here, she probably wasn't the brightest or most politically knowledgeable person when the trial happend. She was used by the Women's movement in the 70s, to me that is obvious, young, inexperienced and pretty much on her own.

She grew up... what's that old saying "If you aren't a liberal at 20 you have no heart and if you aren't a conservative at 40 you have no brain?" Heh... thank God I'm not 40 yet

I just think she changed her mind.

I will say that having a miscarriage a few years back totally changed my wife's views on abortion. In her opinion, which I value greatly from both an emotional and educational perspective is that loosing a child, from any method, would leave some emotional scarring regardless of any physical damage I think this lady above is talking about.

From my years spent counseling parents I would tend to agree with her. Although being a guy there is no way I can truly understand feeling.

Marb

masteen · Post by **masteen** » June 18, 2003, 1:53 pm

Marbus wrote:While you are probably right Voronwe do you not think she was pretty much used before as well?

She was a carnival worker who had 3 kids by the age of what 17? or was it 21? either way, and I could be wrong here, she probably wasn't the brightest or most politically knowledgeable person when the trial happend. She was used by the Women's movement in the 70s, to me that is obvious, young, inexperienced and pretty much on her own.

She grew up... what's that old saying "If you aren't a liberal at 20 you have no heart and if you aren't a conservative at 40 you have no brain?" Heh... thank God I'm not 40 yet I just think she changed her mind.

I will say that having a miscarriage a few years back totally changed my wife's views on abortion. In her opinion, which I value greatly from both an emotional and educational perspective is that loosing a child, from any method, would leave some emotional scarring regardless of any physical damage I think this lady above is talking about.

From my years spent counseling parents I would tend to agree with her. Although being a guy there is no way I can truly understand feeling.

Marb

I've had a couple friends who had abortions, and there are definitely emotional scars left over. It's not something that should be done lightly, and certainly not as a form of birth control. The option needs to be there, as the alternative is 100 times worse.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » June 18, 2003, 1:54 pm

yeah marb but when that quote was written people died at age 45

(the one about being conservative as you age

).

i hear you. i dont know much about her story, and she probably does sincerely believe what she is saying now. I have no doubt, and i really dont care one way or the other.

My point is that her photo opportunities are probably arranged as part of a political process, but i may be wrong

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Adex_Xeda · Post by **Adex_Xeda** » June 18, 2003, 2:11 pm

Getting close to God gives you a change of heart. I'm sure she sees abortion differently because of it.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » June 18, 2003, 2:30 pm

Yes because God said abortion is bad. It's in the bible.

Its easy for a woman to say she regrets having an abortion 30 years later when she is in a much better position socially and financially to raise a child.

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » June 18, 2003, 2:31 pm

kyoukan wrote:Yes because God said abortion is bad. It's in the bible.

Its easy for a woman to say she regrets having an abortion 30 years later when she is in a much better position socially and financially to raise a child.

Cant give her the benefit of doubt can ya?

Vetiria · Post by **Vetiria** » June 18, 2003, 2:33 pm

She never had an abortion. She gave her child up for adoption.

Marbus · Post by **Marbus** » June 18, 2003, 2:33 pm

Koyu, read the article she never actually had an abortion, she gave them all up for adoption.

Vor... probably right on the quote and I agree 100% on the photo op, someone is putting up the cash for this.

Marb

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » June 18, 2003, 2:38 pm

/shrug I have not read the article but I don't see anything wrong with adoption. In my belief system, Jesus had a foster father afterall.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » June 18, 2003, 2:38 pm

I thought there was an assload of women there saying they regret having an abortion.

Marbus · Post by **Marbus** » June 18, 2003, 2:43 pm

There are there with her but "Jane Roe" didn't, sorry for the confusion.

Marb

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » June 18, 2003, 3:02 pm

I am anti-abortion and pro-choice, and no they are not mutually exclusive.

Sirensa · Post by **Sirensa** » June 18, 2003, 3:06 pm

Marbus wrote:I will say that having a miscarriage a few years back totally changed my wife's views on abortion. In her opinion, which I value greatly from both an emotional and educational perspective is that loosing a child, from any method, would leave some emotional scarring regardless of any physical damage I think this lady above is talking about.

Not everyone believes that an aborted fetus is a child - and not everyone who has had an abortion considers themselves as having "lost a child".

I am sure they could get just as many affadavits signed by women who do not regret having their abortions years later and still stand by their decisions.

I think "Jane Roe" is a sellout.

Etasi · Post by **Etasi** » June 18, 2003, 3:09 pm

The "evidence" being presented for why Roe v Wade should be overturned (as far as I have read, anyway) is that there are many women out there that regret having abortions, and who as a result feel that this negative consequence of abortion far outweighs any positive consequences it might have.

Basically it's people who want the government to protect them from their own decisions. I fail to see why some people regretting having abortions merits taking that right away from everyone else. I somehow doubt that no one had previously considered that regret might be a consequence of having an abortion.

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » June 18, 2003, 3:10 pm

http://www.landoverbaptist.org/sermons/abortion.html

That site will answer any question you would ever need to ask. Including the fundementals, such as, How Do I Beat My Christain Child?

Here is a link to thier archieves. Enjoy!

http://www.landoverbaptist.org/newarchive.html

Marbus · Post by **Marbus** » June 18, 2003, 6:21 pm

Landoverbaptist rocks! is that "better Christian than you" lady still there? guess I have to check it out, it's been a couple of years...

More to the point of this thread though, yes Sirensa I agree there probably are. Her, our, desire for a child definitely plays some role in her feelings but she say's it's more than that. As stated I personally can't understand the exact feeling as I'm a) not a woman and b) never had a miscarriage. That being said I'm sure there are some people out there who don't have any regrets about it.

Kylere, I agree.

I think their point is that "most" of the women feel this way. However that truly isn't a good argument unless we are going to start legislating morality to keep people from doing things that make them feel bad later in life... WTF Free will? We don't need free will we have Ultra Conservatives

Virtue is a mean, IMHO taking things too far either way is what gets us in trouble.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » June 18, 2003, 6:34 pm

i regret getting really drunk a couple weeks ago?

should we prohibit the sale of alcohol?

don't the conservatives usually use lines about personal accountability and what not when criticizing "the liberals"? but i guess when it comes to women, it is best to make difficult decisions for them, etc.

so what if somebody regrets a decision they made. And to think i was operating under the supposition that women had abortions just to pass the fucking time!

Sirensa · Post by **Sirensa** » June 18, 2003, 6:35 pm

Marbus wrote:More to the point of this thread though, yes Sirensa I agree there probably are. Her, our, desire for a child definitely plays some role in her feelings but she say's it's more than that. As stated I personally can't understand the exact feeling as I'm a) not a woman and b) never had a miscarriage. That being said I'm sure there are some people out there who don't have any regrets about it.

Well having a miscarriage when you strongly desire a child will bring about a lot different feelings than getting an abortion when you don't want to have a child. Completely different scenario. Wanting a child and miscarrying would be a terrible thing to go through. Abortion may be a terrible thing to go through as well, but it is a choice. Women usually don't choose to miscarry.

Atokal · Post by **Atokal** » June 18, 2003, 8:30 pm

kyoukan wrote:sounds like she's gone flaky in her old age, found jesus and is being brainwashed into overturning her ruling by some flaky religious "leader."

her biggest reason seems to be "abortion is bad because it hurts women." gee thanks. screw freedoms; abortion hurts women!

Have you ever had an abortion Kyuokan?
BTW more intolerant BS spewed forth by the defender of human rights and freedoms.

ITS THE CHRISTIANS, THEY DID IT, KILL THEM ALL, BAN RELIGION!1!!1!!

Misguided bitch

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » June 18, 2003, 8:38 pm

Thanks I am thinking of more and more good things about abortion every time you post.

btw did you realize that 91% of your last 200 posts have been about me? So is your avatar and your signature.

you have some wild ass fucking issues dude.