Ragefire Query

Nimdale · Post by **Nimdale** » August 16, 2002, 3:28 am

*snip*

Ok, so ideas to resolve all the Ragefire problems won't work on Veeshan.

Lesson learned.

Xyun · Post by **Xyun** » August 16, 2002, 3:33 am

How bout no.

You want to "reserve" a mob go to legends.

Nimdale · Post by **Nimdale** » August 16, 2002, 3:37 am

Well, it was JUST an idea.

Laliana · Post by **Laliana** » August 16, 2002, 4:33 am

HAHAHA...yeah a dumbass one. Been playing on Veeshan long?

Baglaz · Post by **Baglaz** » August 16, 2002, 4:45 am

He just doesnt want to be that dude who gets rolled over~

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » August 16, 2002, 9:05 am

Nimdale wrote:
Ok, so ideas to resolve all the Ragefire problems won't work on Veeshan. Lesson learned.

If you want it, have a killing force in SF or quickly available to take it down. Problem solved. Veeshan isn't a very friendly place, but at least it's consistant.

*Edited - Not in the mood to troll today

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » August 16, 2002, 9:23 am

Companions got the last 3 or 4 Rage spawns (I forget) but we did it by maintaining at least 2-3 full groups at spawn for 48 hours each time.

After server reset we went in to set up camp again, but there was a guild there with like, 10 people. Simply put, they beat us to it this time so we respect thier space just like everyone else had done for us the past 3 weeks. However, we do have people check the spawn every so often, and as soon as no one is there in force, we'll be there with 3-4 full groups and maintain it until spawn.

Basically, if you want Rage, you need a guild commitment. If you cannot get your guild to commit the time and manpower, move over for those who can. In the 6 days and 20-30 hours I had helped hold the Rage camp, there was never a rude word spoken and our camp was respected basically due to the massive amount of people we had present at any given time. Well, I think the last Rage we got a little rushed my some Yoro guild called <Kitten Rainbow Happy Sunshine> or some shit like that, but they were Japanesse, so rudness and the inabaility to understand anything they don't want to is expected.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » August 16, 2002, 10:35 am

some Yoro guild called <Kitten Rainbow Happy Sunshine>

ROFL!!

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » August 16, 2002, 10:39 am

Ragefire sucks period.

if your guild can't commit the forces to camp it, they really aren't at a developmental stage yet where they can raid targets that require clickers.

it is unfortunate the quest has been designed in such a manner as to pit people against each other, but the item is the absolute 100% best, most powerful item in the game, and that is why competition for it can get nasty.

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » August 16, 2002, 11:04 am

Voronwë wrote:absolute 100% best, most powerful item in the game

Yup, raiding without at least one clicker would be slow and painful, especially when things get ugly.

The other epics pale in comparison. Most of the other epics actually benefit the weilder also

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » August 16, 2002, 11:10 am

yeah it used to seem like it took an hour just to rez and rebuff after raid wipeouts before these things.

it was funny i heard somewhere on a board or elsewhere, somebody say why they were stalling on some mob, Klandicar or something, was because they had to wait for their MGB cleric to get there.

LOL people are so spoiled nowadays.

vn_Tanc · Post by **vn_Tanc** » August 16, 2002, 11:18 am

pshaw, kids today, huh Voronwe?

Oh while I'm here - US National Soccer team made it into the top 10 FIFA rankings this week for the first time ever. wtg

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » August 16, 2002, 11:36 am

Cleric and Chanter epics, and SoV necro robes make recoveries very fast and painless.

Not to mention mod rods, AE bard songs, twitching and CH BPs (nice even after the nerf IMO).

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » August 16, 2002, 11:53 am

Not to mention AA skills like SCM, SCF, Healing Adept, and Healing Gift. Don't forget focus items with regent conservation, mana conservation, ect..
Oh, almost forgot FT items and the plethora of other clickables out there for all classes.

EQ has come a log way and I feel that all the above variety goes a long way to making all the lvl 60's a bit more unique form one another and making certian combinations of items exceptionally powerful for certian tasks and situations.

brenen · Post by **brenen** » August 16, 2002, 5:45 pm

if your guild can't commit the forces to camp it, they really aren't at a developmental stage yet where they can raid targets that require clickers.

I just dont think this is true. The ability to have people online for 48 hours straight doesnt exactly relate to the ability to take down mobs that would require a CR.. (IE Trakanon, Vindi, Grieg, Va'Daryn).

We are a small guild, and wish to stay under 40ish people. We know because of that, even if we are all 60, the chances of us getting rare ubers, or taking down mobs that require 50+ people will never happen for us. We have accepted that fact, and are still happy with our choice.

However, because of our limited numbers we ONLY recruit people that play the same 6-7 hour span we do. Hence, we dont have people that can be on in the middle of the night, or AM times to get ragefire.

We've killed Trakanon, VS, Dracoliche.. etc.. Sure compared to THO, Emp, NToV mobs we are gimps. But I dont think that that lessens the NEED, or Use for a clicker at all..

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » August 16, 2002, 6:15 pm

we ONLY recruit people that play the same 6-7 hour span

You have to either get really really lucky, or find a way to work around your time restrictions. Anything less and you don't have a clicker. There's no way the entire server is going to change the way we run so we can help the guilds that cannot help themselves. I think we have another 5 or 6 clerics at the Rage part of their epic. Once we're done, I'll happily never set foot in SF again unless passing through. Others can camp him to thier heart's content.

Bubba Grizz · Post by **Bubba Grizz** » August 16, 2002, 6:18 pm

Well this definitly isn't a game where you can hope to truly succeed by going solo. You need lots of friends if you ever hope to accomplish anything like an Epic Quest. Lots of friends or the ability to do a large number of sexual favors.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » August 16, 2002, 6:36 pm

i wasnt trying to flame your guild Brenen. more power to you for doing your thing your way. whatever makes it fun for you.

all i am saying is that unless you can park people on their ass in Skyfire for long shifts you can just plain forget it, end of story.

Karae · Post by **Karae** » August 16, 2002, 6:58 pm

Fairweather Pure wrote:
Basically, if you want Rage, you need a guild commitment.

Or 5 wiz with Manaburn.

PhyscoBloodspiller · Post by **PhyscoBloodspiller** » August 16, 2002, 9:17 pm

the Rathe Manaburn Syndacate?

Baglaz · Post by **Baglaz** » August 16, 2002, 10:00 pm

3 works as CoE found out when they tried to roll us on him earlier. Do it right next time fags.

brenen · Post by **brenen** » August 16, 2002, 10:23 pm

There's no way the entire server is going to change the way we run so we can help the guilds that cannot help themselves

I never suggested that at all. I dont expect anyone to step aside for us that out mobilizes us. I was just responding to Voronwes comment about if you cant get ragefire, you arnt doing anything that needs clickers.

Also I didnt think you were flaming me, or my guild bud

Just saying that all smaller guilds arnt exactly newbs still trying to break hate...

The morale of the story is this, ragefire sucks as is. And yes to get him OMGIAMRETARDEDCAUSEALOTISTWOWORDS of us will probably have to take vacation from work. But the time saved on raids, we probably will...

P.S. Grats comps on Rages..

Baglaz · Post by **Baglaz** » August 16, 2002, 10:25 pm

You should already have a clicker with Xanu.....errr Raedresn rolling with you guys.

Post by **Xouqoa** » August 17, 2002, 3:38 am

Baglaz wrote:3 works as CoE found out when they tried to roll us on him earlier. Do it right next time fags.

Nobody tried to roll you. One warrior running up (since he was to pull) and getting aggro then having the mob follow him does not constitute a steamroll.

We had no intention of attacking once we saw the mob was engaged.

Raistin · Post by **Raistin** » August 17, 2002, 3:52 am

Will KS your ragefire for you. 50k or 200 Us dollars.Paypal of course.

Baglaz · Post by **Baglaz** » August 17, 2002, 3:53 am

Hitting AE taunt to get aggro makes OMGIAMRETARDEDCAUSEALOTISTWOWORDS of sense, obviously we were killing him, and whoever taunted him with the Intention of running off with him and killing him.

Baglaz · Post by **Baglaz** » August 17, 2002, 4:00 am

Sorry let me clarify, you didnt try to roll us, so you can save so face, just KS~
Manaburn wizards help to keep from that happenning. We got what we were after, you didnt, fucking sucks doesnt it?

zotha · Post by **zotha** » August 17, 2002, 4:01 am

Ragefire is FFA until engaged, first guild with the force enough to engage should do so. If one warrior can get agro without doing a single point of damage then id hazard to guess the mob wasnt engaged. So quit your whining and enjoy your clicker.

Raistin · Post by **Raistin** » August 17, 2002, 4:42 am

If Ragefire was being engaged already.The warrior AE taunted and running as to pull it,wouldnt he be nothing but summoned?

Jarori Bloodletter · Post by **Jarori Bloodletter** » August 17, 2002, 4:53 am

He was engaged yes Jeanr (our warrior) had him ..The human rage had about 20 percent life left on him.. we had roughly 15 in at that point. jenar let the human rage beat on him so we could get more in (just to be sure) Paruhdox ran up Rage said "you will not evade me Paruhdox".. and he ran off with him, we followed with more just arriving and killed human/ Rage.. Now why the FUCK would ANYONE come running up and AE taunt/attack him that has NO business even being close ??

Paruhdox=not thinking or just wanted to see if he/she could get away with it..

Jar

Pubin · Post by **Pubin** » August 17, 2002, 8:49 am

Somebody /shouted this in sebilis last night. Now i know about parhudox and his evil ways.

Think for a second tho... must have been kinda funny to have him run up, taunt, then run away with your mob. Wish i had seen it TT.

I think 30% of pubin's /played were spent camping gay faggot ass ragefire. People are irritable after giving that sort of commitment. Even if it is only one group and not what others might consider "in force". After sitting around dueling your guildmates or killing skyfire mobs that yield dick for exp for a few days, you'll KS if you get the chance.

Ragefire sucks. If you are going to do it, everyone has to suck it up and hang out.

Post by **Xouqoa** » August 17, 2002, 12:28 pm

Okay Baglaz... you're right. The entire world is out to get you. Better watch out.

Ravvenn · Post by **Ravvenn** » August 17, 2002, 1:18 pm

I was awaiting a soandso tried to steamroll me post...
Basically its like this, you had 3 ppl in the zone when Paruh did that, if we wanted to steamroll.. we actually had the force to do it and not lollygag and tank the fucker for 10 minutes while you moved in the rest of your dipshits to actually kill it. We had enough wizards to hand RF his ass, so had we really went there with intentions to KS, we would have. Once the mob was said to be engaged we were told not to touch it. Had you not been crying for warm breast milk in ooc, youd have seen that noone from CoE or CD touched the mob.
edit: I forgot how to spell

Raistin · Post by **Raistin** » August 17, 2002, 3:50 pm

warm breast milk !

Baglaz · Post by **Baglaz** » August 17, 2002, 5:31 pm

Hrmm, after getting random tells from a few CoE people last night, namely Paruhdox, telling me to take the post down, it seems as though he knows he fucked up and doesnt want people to know. So he goes around rimming the assholes of the people he tried to fuck so that they play nice bla bla bla.......Maybe you should have him tell you the REAL story, instead of his sugarcoated version made to look like he did no wrong and that we were the ones who fucked up.

Pyrhus · Post by **Pyrhus** » August 17, 2002, 10:20 pm

Basically Paruhdox run up, hit AE tuant on human RF then ran off and then sat down. Each time we attempted to regain agro he sat down again. He pulled him out from dragon statue and which point Dakamura hopped on her Holy Steed ran out and rooted his ass.

The only reason we had our warrior solo tank him down to 20 was to get a mage there to give mod rods to wizzys to ensure death was quick. After the root landed we knew we couldn't wait any longer so killed him. Very ugly scene in my opinion, but I have several friends in CoE so want judge guild on actions of Paruhdox. It was just suprising to me to see that type of action up close and personal. Not gonna whine, not gonna flame CoE, just very happy we got our cleric epic ^_^

Leyor · Post by **Leyor** » August 18, 2002, 1:07 am

Yesterday we were told Ragefire was up and uncontested. We thought it was worth a look and zoned in.

We were aprox 30 strong, one group consisting solely of manaburn wizards and a cleric :)

There were aprox 3 DF people at the time, hardly a force unless you want to stall him to death?

It's arguably what constitutes a legit claim on this mob, however a common denominator(sp?) is usually whoever can take him does, and the loosers end up on flamevault ;) Paruhdox was asked to check if the mob was engaged, once he reported that people were actually hitting on RF (even with the obvious intent of stalling for more force). He was asked to back off and in no way bring the mob to us.

Although for most its really a technicality that the mob has already been hit, if the force present is unable to actually kill him (it sure doesnt deter many), we decided to rather avoid any argument and take the highroad entirely avoiding the mob.

Which is why I didnt expect gloating posts like this, you really are hellbent on making us regret our decision it seems?

Its utopian not expecting this mob to be contested, with the widespread controversy regarding it. If you actually were in the zone and did a /who, you should be gratefull that you aren't doing a "someone killed our RF post" instead of this ridiculous "noone even tried to damage our mob, but a warrior taunted it so hah you" post.

Vippa · Post by **Vippa** » August 18, 2002, 4:54 am

haha stalling to death good one, have seen it used a couple of time.

/hugs

Vippa

btw recruiting people from other timezones just to get to kill a mob is totally fucked up =)

that is all

Raistin · Post by **Raistin** » August 18, 2002, 6:09 am

Anything to fuck over Euro guilds!

Vippa · Post by **Vippa** » August 18, 2002, 1:37 pm

Yes I love you to.

Vippa Angelbones
Valhall

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » August 18, 2002, 2:48 pm

Speaking of Euro guilds, I think I saw a French one this weekend. It was called <We Surrender>.

Raistin · Post by **Raistin** » August 18, 2002, 4:18 pm

Hahaaaaaaahahahah

Pubin · Post by **Pubin** » August 18, 2002, 4:35 pm

LOL!!

<Help Us>

Aedryn · Post by **Aedryn** » August 18, 2002, 7:01 pm

hehehe

Vippa · Post by **Vippa** » August 18, 2002, 7:21 pm

hehe

/vippa

Bashiae · Post by **Bashiae** » August 18, 2002, 8:51 pm

It's simply a matter of timing and forces applied. Our concern is simply of having the 68 hours straight Dark Fury spent at that camp (which, as most of us know, is a test of patience more than anything) going to waste in a matter of moments.

We made the decision as a guild to camp Ragefire upon server up from last patch and spend as much time as it took to get him. However, unlike other guilds, we do not have a large amount of guildmembers by any means. We therefore do not have the vast resources that other groups may have, and even at peak times during our camp, we only had around 24 guild members in the area.

Therefore, the issue is, unfortunately, more related to the tension that the entire Ragefire camp (or epic quest, if you can even call it that) brings about. Did Paruhdox intend to KS us? I highly doubt it; he is only a lone warrior and obviously he couldn't do Rage himself even if he wanted to. For what reason he took agro on Rage I do not know, but if he was thusly asked to backoff and did so, allowing DF to get the kill and complete our camp we'd spent days doing, then I have no problem; and from what I'm hearing that is the case.

On that same note, simply because we have a smaller group does not mean we have not camped the area as everyone else would do and do not deserve rights to it. We had to resort to getting the phones numbers of the majority of our guild members so that if Rage popped when only a few were online we could call the others to wake up and kill Rage so we could finish him and be done with this bloody camp for now.

Now should we have to kiss ass and 'praise the lord' that "our Ragefire was spared" because another guild was able to amass a large force the instant he spawned rather than camping him the entire time prior? No way; I do not apologize for my guild's reaction - We now know what happened and why and there should be no hard feelings since the outcome was as it should have been, but I will not thank anyone for 'letting' us kill the mob we had been camping. I am quite positive we had more than 3 people at the camp at the time.

Either way, I'm happy it worked out the way it did and I see no reason to further beat this dead horse; I'm happy we were able to get our first Cleric epic - it was about time for us, hehe.

-Veteran Bashiae Soulmender-
-Leader, Dark Fury, Veeshan-

Rekaar. · Post by **Rekaar.** » August 19, 2002, 12:41 am

Grats on the accomplishment Bashiae, I know how hard it is to get RF with a small guild. We went through the same things you describe to get some our first ones, from camping him round the clock to calling people at spawn time to having people actually interfere with the fight.

Keverian FireCry · Post by **Keverian FireCry** » August 19, 2002, 7:48 am

hmmmmm i must be confused about what the euro primetime is =p

Vippa · Post by **Vippa** » August 19, 2002, 10:42 am

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » August 19, 2002, 12:03 pm

CoE has been raiding on Euro time since pre-kunark.

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