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noel · Post by **noel** » June 12, 2003, 4:38 pm

I don't like the Promise Keepers AT ALL for other reasons, but that is NOT what they are about.

Forthe · Post by **Forthe** » June 12, 2003, 4:39 pm

Aranuil wrote:
Forthe wrote:http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/de ... ce&s=books

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/de ... ce&s=books

Aranuil: What product sparked the the early industrial revolution?

Edit:

This article pretty much catches my veiws on it. The reparations share some similarities to those that Canada has for aboriginal people.

http://research.ucsb.edu/cbs/lectures/l ... odson.html
The cotton gin, the assembly line, interchangable parts and the steam engine.

I answered your question, now answer mine.

1. What does slavery in the 1800s have to do with modern day racism, given that the goals of slavery in the 1800s were extremely different from the goals of modern day racist and hate groups (which are coincidentally not unique to the US)?

I never addressed modern day racism. I did address whining over affirmative action, which in my view is a very minor reparation.

Aranuil wrote:2. Why should I personally be apologetic, or give preferential treatment to the modern day black man for things that happened between both of our ancestors (I'm scotch-irish, and have it on good authority that my family never owned slaves but I'll humor you), when I have in fact done nothing negative toward a black person ever?

Because your nation owes these people. Not all Germans killed jews.

Aranuil wrote:3. Given that Britain, France, Canada, and the US all participated in the use of slavery, the british empire for by far the longest duration, wouldn't you be better off focusing on the manner in which blacks were treated from 1863 to present day, if your intent was to defame the US?

My view would be the same for any country. In this case I was addressing affirmative action specifically. I'm more familiar with US slavery than slavery in Britain and even in Canada.

Aranuil wrote:4. Finally, having read your article, if reparations were to be paid, who would they be paid to?

Anyone that can prove ancestral slavery. No I'm not talking about your greatx60 grandfather who was taken as a slave after the wooden horse road into town.

In particular I view the government paid secondary education for those that are admitted on merit as the best way\quickest way to try to fix the damage that was done.

Affirmative action is not a solution and has inherit negatives (reverse racism) but it is the only thing out there. Put some real meassures in place and it won't be needed.

Raistin · Post by **Raistin** » June 12, 2003, 4:44 pm

It was a point he made that others from that side of the world,had slavery way before the US.

Forth:
What about the Great Wall of China, all the Temples of the the Kings in Egypt?Guess who made them on a LARGE scale of slavery. Or white anglos made in to slaves back during the Middle ages in Briton,Frace, and Germany.

It wasnt just blacks that were slaves. Anyone and everyone was.It was a way of life back then. Its no longer now, and thats where the wrong, was corrected.

One more thing.Why the "payments?" If you dont remember. The USA was split in to 2 diffrent countries.

February 9 1861 - The Confederate States of America is formed with Jefferson Davis as president.

April 17 - Virginia secedes from the Union, followed within 5 weeks by Arkansas, Tennessee, and North Carolina, thus forming an eleven state Confederacy.

September 22 - Preliminary Emancipation Proclamation freeing slaves issued by President Lincoln, every state, even in the south.

In May 1865 - Remaining Confederate forces surrender. The Nation is reunited as the Civil War ends. Over 620,000 Americans died in the war, with disease killing twice as many as those lost in battle. 50,000 survivors return home as amputees.

All that life lost, due to this..

January 31 1865 - The U.S. Congress approves the Thirteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution, to abolish slavery. The amendment is then submitted to the states for ratification.

This was when the "winning" of the war was in sights,and the North wanted to build a bridge for prompt action once the war was over and convert the south.

So a nation that had so many people die, money spent on war, to pay people that they once freed? Seems fair, right or to make up for something a Country we defeated for their freedom? I think not.

noel · Post by **noel** » June 12, 2003, 5:28 pm

Forthe wrote:
Aranuil wrote:2. Why should I personally be apologetic, or give preferential treatment to the modern day black man for things that happened between both of our ancestors (I'm scotch-irish, and have it on good authority that my family never owned slaves but I'll humor you), when I have in fact done nothing negative toward a black person ever?
Because your nation owes these people. Not all Germans killed jews.

I think that's a poor analogy in this case.
Not all Americans held slaves. Not all white families arrived in the US during the time of slavery. For the record, my Great Grandfather came across on a boat, and broke his back working in a lumber mill 14 hours a day and struggled to feed/house his 12 children.

Forthe wrote:
Aranuil wrote:3. Given that Britain, France, Canada, and the US all participated in the use of slavery, the british empire for by far the longest duration, wouldn't you be better off focusing on the manner in which blacks were treated from 1863 to present day, if your intent was to defame the US?
My view would be the same for any country. In this case I was addressing affirmative action specifically. I'm more familiar with US slavery than slavery in Britain and even in Canada.

I've mentioned this before, but I currently view affirmative action as a necessary evil. It's certainly not the ideal, but when you live in a society where individuals like myself start out with such an overwhelming advantage over individuals in less affluent communities, there needs to be a stop-gap method of insuring that qualified minorities are able to succeed. Of course, for affirmative action to have the desired effect, it relies upon the supposition that succsessful minorities will give back to their communities of origin and correct the imbalance. I'm not convinced this is occurring.

Clearly the thing to do is to correct the imbalance in the educational system to ensure that we all start out with an identical opportunity. This is beyond the scope of this discussion, but something I am very much for.

Forthe wrote:
Aranuil wrote:4. Finally, having read your article, if reparations were to be paid, who would they be paid to?
Anyone that can prove ancestral slavery. No I'm not talking about your greatx60 grandfather who was taken as a slave after the wooden horse road into town.

In particular I view the government paid secondary education for those that are admitted on merit as the best way\quickest way to try to fix the damage that was done.

Affirmative action is not a solution and has inherit negatives (reverse racism) but it is the only thing out there. Put some real meassures in place and it won't be needed.

I don't agree with reparations to individuals AT ALL.

The only form or reparations you could get me to support would be reparations that would be directly invested into the schools (elementary, Jr. High, High-Schools) within the impoverished communities throughout the US that would bring them on par with the schools in the more affluent, areas with a specific focus on schools in the black communities. I don't think the secondary educational system is the way to go, because I don't think there would be a huge change in the numbers of minorities (in this case blacks) that would be accepted, and I think it's too late to be of real use. Clearly the benefits of this would not be seen for 20-30 years, but I believe the investment would be well worth it. Then again, I believe this should be going on anyway, and not classified as reparations, but the (public) education system's problems are really beyond the scope of this discussion.

Xyun · Post by **Xyun** » June 12, 2003, 8:13 pm

If I'm not mistaken, the Persians (been a while since i last took world history or west civ 1 so I might be wrong) invented slavery.

You are completely wrong. Slavery existed long before the Persian empire came into being. The pyramids in Egypt were built by slaves.

Mplor · Post by **Mplor** » June 13, 2003, 2:19 am

The cloth of slavery does not wear any better just because it was worn before you and by others.

Sure my people kept slaves, but so did teh Egyptians, and they were teh African. What's that behind you! *flee*

vn_Tanc · Post by **vn_Tanc** » June 13, 2003, 6:11 am

So what's the story with these "Promise Keepers" of which you speak?

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » June 13, 2003, 6:46 am

vn_Tanc wrote:So what's the story with these "Promise Keepers" of which you speak?

Its a men's only christian (maybe baptist only) "club" (I only call it a club because I don't know what else to call it.. its almost a cult) where a bunch of men pack into a stadium and buy $40 Promise Keeper t-shirts and cry and listen to some fraud evangelist yabber about Jesus and family and the importance of not voting democrat.

noel · Post by **noel** » June 13, 2003, 7:03 am

kyoukan wrote:
vn_Tanc wrote:So what's the story with these "Promise Keepers" of which you speak?
Its a men's only christian (maybe baptist only) "club" (I only call it a club because I don't know what else to call it.. its almost a cult) where a bunch of men pack into a stadium and buy $40 Promise Keeper t-shirts and cry and listen to some fraud evangelist yabber about Jesus and family and the importance of not voting democrat.

Yeah basically. It's non-demominational, and they're all about doing the right thing, and keeping their promises/being honorable. Of course that's all wrapped tightly around the Christian faith, so in my mind it's silly because Christian men are supposed to be that way anyway.

True story... I was dating a girl for about 2.5 years who's father was a born-again-Christian (the worst kind IMHO) and hardcore member of the 'Promise Keepers'. Every time I saw him he'd invite me to a Promise Keepers 'event', and for the longest time, I'd politely turn down his offer. Finally he started badgering me about it one evening asking questions like, 'What did I have better to do?' etc. I told him I was very happy that he'd found an organization he felt strongly about, but that I didn't need to join a group to keep promises or have integrity, and that I'd appreciate it if he didn't bring it up again.

He didn't. People who preach to me are very high on my list of annoyances.

Raistin · Post by **Raistin** » June 13, 2003, 8:21 am

Sounds like a gay gathering to me.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » June 13, 2003, 8:32 am

Maybe except for the fact that the PK's are rabidly anti-gay.

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » June 13, 2003, 8:52 am

ehh if jesus was alive at one time and was somewhat similar to the way they describe him to be he wouldnt have been a sexist babtist conservative right wing nazi, stupid fools!

There will always be some form of racism in one way or another, until about 2-300 years where the majority of the population will not be white, black, hispanic, etc but the "majority" will be a huge multicultural blend between several races, in about 500 years if the human race is still around that long, finding an all white or an all black guy will be very rare...

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » June 13, 2003, 8:57 am

Aranuil wrote:True story... I was dating a girl for about 2.5 years who's father was a born-again-Christian (the worst kind IMHO) .

I dont know much about them but i dont think anyone could top "7th day advanist(sp?)" those guys are reaaaaallly fuckin goofy

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » June 13, 2003, 9:15 am

How so?

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » June 13, 2003, 9:29 am

Not to make light of the slave subject, I think it was a dark time in the U.S and other countries past. But we seem to blame the slave owners a lot ( Which they should be held accountable), but what about the African chiefs that sold there own people into slavery.

Now Aranuil since you want to give some ammo to Forthe in the disguise of American Indian treatment. All I can say is im glad that things are turning around for them unfourntantly it took letting them have casinos to do it.

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » June 13, 2003, 9:59 am

Cartalas wrote:Not to make light of the slave subject, I think it was a dark time in the U.S and other countries past. But we seem to blame the slave owners a lot ( Which they should be held accountable), but what about the African chiefs that sold there own people into slavery.

What about them?

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » June 13, 2003, 10:00 am

Krimson Klaw wrote:
Cartalas wrote:Not to make light of the slave subject, I think it was a dark time in the U.S and other countries past. But we seem to blame the slave owners a lot ( Which they should be held accountable), but what about the African chiefs that sold there own people into slavery.
What about them?

I just dont see anyone jumping up and down asking for reperations from them. Im not saying 2 wrongs make a right.

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » June 13, 2003, 10:04 am

And which country did the chiefs belong to that they should go ask reperations from?

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » June 13, 2003, 10:18 am

Krimson Klaw wrote:And which country did the chiefs belong to that they should go ask reperations from?

Well they have to be decendents of some country.

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » June 13, 2003, 10:27 am

Cartalas wrote:
Krimson Klaw wrote:And which country did the chiefs belong to that they should go ask reperations from?
Well they have to be decendents of some country.

Thanks for enlightening us.

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » June 13, 2003, 10:29 am

Krimson Klaw wrote:
Cartalas wrote:
Krimson Klaw wrote:And which country did the chiefs belong to that they should go ask reperations from?
Well they have to be decendents of some country.
Thanks for enlightening us.

Your welcome Mr.Klaw

masteen · Post by **masteen** » June 13, 2003, 10:48 am

Krimson: Sierra Leone and the (now) Ivory Coast were two of the biggest suppliers of fresh slaves back in those days.

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » June 13, 2003, 11:02 am

Like I said, which country did these chiefs belong to that you are asking to be held accountable? Is anyone even coming close to seeing my point? You are asking that a modern government be held responsible due to actions of an indigenous people before most if not all of said governments even existed. Does no one see a problem with that? America existed and participated in slavery and is still a body today, I have not done a search, but did these African chiefs belong to an actual government that you are trying to tell people to ask for money from?

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » June 13, 2003, 11:03 am

Krimson Klaw wrote:Like I said, which country did these chiefs belong to that you are asking to be held accountable? Is anyone even coming close to seeing my point? You are asking that a modern government be held responsible due to actions of an indigenous people before most if not all of said governments even existed. Does no one see a problem with that?

Exactly.

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » June 13, 2003, 11:06 am

wtf do you mean "exactly", I did not prove a point that you were trying to make Cartalas. The United States of America existed, bum-to-hell african chiefs selling slaves belonged to no government.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » June 13, 2003, 11:07 am

Krimson Klaw wrote:Like I said, which country did these chiefs belong to that you are asking to be held accountable? Is anyone even coming close to seeing my point? You are asking that a modern government be held responsible due to actions of an indigenous people before most if not all of said governments even existed. Does no one see a problem with that?

No more of a problem than expecting the decendants of the people that sent their sons to die ending slavery to make reparations to the slaves' decendants.

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » June 13, 2003, 11:10 am

Im not arguing for reperations, I disagree with it. I just find it laughable that Cartalas wants people to go hut to hut looking for descendants of some chief that sold black people to American slavers.

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » June 13, 2003, 11:12 am

Krimson Klaw wrote:Im not arguing for reperations, I disagree with it. I just find it laughable that Cartalas wants people to go hut to hut looking for descendants of some chief that sold black people to American slavers.

Hut to Hut? The Jehovah Witness do it.

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » June 13, 2003, 11:15 am

Do you try to make yourself look like an idiot on purpose?

Adex_Xeda · Post by **Adex_Xeda** » June 13, 2003, 11:40 am

What I remember about promise keepers was that there was an ex college football coach from Oklahoma that started a convention style movement.

Basically a bunch of christian men thought that they weren't living up to the standards of their faith. They started this movement to encourage christian men to live up to their responsiblities as fathers and be better husbands etc.

They were trying to address the deadbeat dad syndrome amonst the christian community.

Why this is some big "evil" thing to non christians eludes me.

Its just a bunch of folks trying to better themselves.

Zamtuk · Post by **Zamtuk** » June 13, 2003, 11:52 am

Wasn't this thread about gay pride?

masteen · Post by **masteen** » June 13, 2003, 11:54 am

Krimson Klaw wrote:Im not arguing for reperations, I disagree with it. I just find it laughable that Cartalas wants people to go hut to hut looking for descendants of some chief that sold black people to American slavers.

I know, Krim. I was just using a logical parallel to show how both those forms of reparations are absurd.

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » June 13, 2003, 12:05 pm

Krimson Klaw wrote:Do you try to make yourself look like an idiot on purpose?

Trying to add a little humor into you day, sorry you did not like it

noel · Post by **noel** » June 13, 2003, 1:22 pm

Adex_Xeda wrote:What I remember about promise keepers was that there was an ex college football coach from Oklahoma that started a convention style movement.

Basically a bunch of christian men thought that they weren't living up to the standards of their faith. They started this movement to encourage christian men to live up to their responsiblities as fathers and be better husbands etc.

They were trying to address the deadbeat dad syndrome amonst the christian community.

Why this is some big "evil" thing to non christians eludes me.

Its just a bunch of folks trying to better themselves.

If you can't understand the silliness surrounding a group of Christian men getting together to encourage each other to act, 'Christian', I pity you.

On the Subject of the Seventh Day Adventists... They're more strict than most of the Christian faiths, but I don't find anything more odd about them than nearly any other religion.

Finally, it's my opinion that all of the individuals that want to focus on century old apologies in the form of reparations, etc. would be far better served by simply learning from the past and focuing their energy on making the future a better place for all of us.

Adex_Xeda · Post by **Adex_Xeda** » June 13, 2003, 3:39 pm

Some times you just can't win.

People love to harp on christians for being hypocrites, yet when christians get together in an effort to eliminate hypocritical things in lives you label it "sillyness."

It is "silly" to link your distaste for the promise keeper's moviment based on the annoyance you recieved by a persistent father of a girlfriend.

The two are not strongly linked.

People making an effort to be responsible and take better care of their families are doing something positive for society.

There are much more worthy targets out there for disgust than this.

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » June 13, 2003, 4:06 pm

Aranuil wrote:If you can't understand the silliness surrounding a group of Christian men getting together to encourage each other to act, 'Christian', I pity you.

Not any more silly than professional baseball players practicing to be better at baseball. No more silly than alchoholics meeting to morally support one another and get reminders of why to keep from drinking. Not as silly as a group of gamers who pay money to keep a website going so they can flame each other and whine about politics and how they are getting screwed by nerfs in the game of their choice. I could continue, but I think you get the point.

noel · Post by **noel** » June 13, 2003, 5:14 pm

Kilmoll, and Adex, yeah I get it.

Adex_Xeda wrote:It is "silly" to link your distaste for the promise keeper's moviment based on the annoyance you recieved by a persistent father of a girlfriend.

One thing has naught to do with another. As you recall, prior to me even mentioning that story, I not only corrected a misrepresentation of the organization, but also my aversion to the PKers has nothing to do with a distaste. It has to do with the fact that though I believe in the Christian God, I don't feel I need an organization to 'help me practice doing the right thing', or however you'd like to word it.

Wulfran · Post by **Wulfran** » June 13, 2003, 6:38 pm

People love to harp on christians for being hypocrites, yet when christians get together in an effort to eliminate hypocritical things in lives you label it "sillyness."

I generally have no issues with people who are genuine in their belief that organizations will make them better people. The problem I find with these types of groups are:

1) Some people join them to "prove" how holy they are compared to anyone else.

2) Some of the people that join these groups don't understand that while they find them worthwhile, not all of us do, and don't care to be a part of them.

Now I know this doesn't apply to all members of the Promise Keepers. the JWs, the 7th Day Adventists or a myriad of other groups. But I detest the ones that don't accept that I possess the judgement, as an adult, to know what is in my own best interest.

Marbus · Post by **Marbus** » June 15, 2003, 2:21 am

Finally, it's my opinion that all of the individuals that want to focus on century old apologies in the form of reparations, etc. would be far better served by simply learning from the past and focuing their energy on making the future a better place for all of us.

Couldn't agree more...

Forthe, you're an idiot. You analogy about "not all Germans killed Jews" then say that the US OWES these whining fucks are total opposites. Of course all Germans didn't kill jews and today ALL Germans don't give Jews money either when they won't get off their ass and work...

Bottom line is that race should have NOTHING to do with it. Members of my own family came over as indentured servants, pretty much slaves as well. You just don't hear a lot about them, it's not popular. Fact is I know men and women from all creeds, races, religions etc... who are all good people, who work hard, who care and who try to better themselves and others. Those are the people who need the money, scholarships etc... yes so of those have had to work harder than others and most wouldn't trade it for the world because it helped make them who they are today.

As for the original post, I don't care if someone is Gay, Bi, Straight or what. If they want to have a get together let them have it. If there is a rule that no groups can have a get together then that rule is "no groups." Shouldn't be any arguement, if it's ok for everyone else it should be ok for them, if not then not. Of course sounds like they are now wanting to make it so "all pigs are equil, but some are more equil than others." G.O.

Cheers!
Marb

laneela · Post by **laneela** » June 16, 2003, 5:33 am

Where the hell are you guys living that being an "arab-hating bush lover" "middle-class white man" is typical? I'm a 26 yr old hispanic female and have felt discrimated ONCE in my life which I responded to by working twice as hard to prove to the jackass that his views were ignorant. I've been working since I was 17 and have had two white middle-class men for bosses (one of which was gay). The rest have been mostly comprimised of women and a few other "minorities". Granted, I lived in Miami most of my life which is a very culturally-diversed city but I've also lived in England and am currently living in Southern California.

I agree that racism still exists and it's disgusting when it presents itself but it's not what it used to be. You can't undo 200 years of separation in a day - it's going to take a while... Hate for the "white man" is only slowing down the process.

miir · Post by **miir** » June 16, 2003, 11:10 am

Where the hell are you guys living that being an "arab-hating bush lover" "middle-class white man" is typical?

If you're going to quote me, try using my comments in the proper context, idiot.

As for the 'white middle class male', that is the generally taken as being the majority race/class/sex.

According to the 2k census.
Male = 49.1%
White = 75.1%

Middle Class ($30-100k) accounts for over 65% of the population.

Male/female are about equal but there has never been any widespread discrimination against men.

Pertaining to this discussion (if you bothered to read it), 'white middle class males' is the demographic least likey to encounter discrimination.

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » June 16, 2003, 11:27 am

"Pertaining to this discussion (if you bothered to read it), 'white middle class males' is the demographic least likey to encounter discrimination."

A lot of it depends on where you live.

vn_Tanc · Post by **vn_Tanc** » June 16, 2003, 11:51 am

No it doesn't.

Go back to page 2 and start again.

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » June 16, 2003, 12:10 pm

vn_Tanc wrote:No it doesn't.

Go back to page 2 and start again.

Im sure a white middle class male can walk through Watts any day of the week and not be discriminated against.

Im sure a white middle class male can sit on a park bench in South East Ft. Worth on a nice evening and not have any insults thrown his way.

vn_Tanc · Post by **vn_Tanc** » June 16, 2003, 12:15 pm

Yes yes we dealt with the specific few cases and Kyou posted a very good retort that was backed up by Krimson who seems to me to be a pretty good barometer on this topic.

Like I said. Go back to page 2 and start again.

miir · Post by **miir** » June 16, 2003, 12:24 pm

Cartalas, stop being a fucking stump.

A lot of it depends on where you live.

If you live in the USA and are a white, middle class male, you belong to the demographic least likely to encounter discrimination.

Marbus · Post by **Marbus** » June 16, 2003, 12:33 pm

I think we should all agree that the above statement it true. Yes they are least likely based on statistics...

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » June 16, 2003, 12:40 pm

miir wrote:Cartalas, stop being a fucking stump.

A lot of it depends on where you live.

If you live in the USA and are a white, middle class male, you belong to the demographic least likely to encounter discrimination.

I will say it again it depends on where you live in the US, you can not use a blanket statement like that.

Now sir why dont you pull the stump out of your ass.

Detroit is 81.55% Black and 12.26% White who is the minority here?
Chicago has 1,074,471 Blacks and 907,166 Whites who is the minority here?

Memphis 48.6% Black 47.3% White Who is the minority here?

And that was just comparing Black and white races I could keep going with hispanic.

Chidoro · Post by **Chidoro** » June 16, 2003, 12:51 pm

But whitey has all of the power so who really gives a shit

Two things ring true to this day

1. Know the difference between shit and shinola

2. Don't trust whitey

As far as reparations are concerned, better not being pulling that crap out of my check. There are valid reasons (at least for education, kind of lose me in the job market imo) for AA but cash out of my pocket for something I had nothing to do w/ or any of my family had anything to do w/ is stupid. Hell, there are a majority of first and second generation indian immigrants in my area, what the hell did they have to do w/ slavery in the south in the 1800's?

miir · Post by **miir** » June 16, 2003, 1:29 pm

Cartalas wrote:I will say it again it depends on where you live in the US, you can not use a blanket statement like that.

Yes, I can and will make a blanket statement since we are talking about discrimination in America.

My statement based on national census and historical fact.
I don't really give a fuck that some areas are 80% black and others are 100% white... that's the entire point of averages. you take intermediate between extremes.... If you want to argue the accuracy of the facts and data collected by your census board, take it up with them.

Detroit is 81.55% Black and 12.26% White who is the minority here?
Chicago has 1,074,471 Blacks and 907,166 Whites who is the minority here?

Memphis 48.6% Black 47.3% White Who is the minority here?

And that was just comparing Black and white races I could keep going with hispanic.

Detroit's population accounts for 0.33% of the entire population of the USA therefore it cannot be taken as an accurate representation of the racial average of the entire nation.
Chicago represents 0.87% and Memphis 0.22%.

Let me reiterate.
If we were discussing discrimination in Detroit, Chicago or Memphis, your tidbits might hold some value. Since none of those specific regions have been mentioned, you can take your little factoids and shove em up your ass..

Go start one of your retard arguments elsewhere.... you obviously have no point to make here (other than your own stupidity)