Poem: To hell with the RIAA

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » June 5, 2003, 4:08 pm

Burn, Baby, Burning!
Burn the chain stores!
Fat little men earning!
I am not yours!

Try to set the night on fire!
A and R, more like B and E!
Deciding the public desire!
ripping off you and me!

RIAA!
BMG!
Go Away!
From me!

I have your mp3's,
I laugh at your case.
I burn with ease,
Smile in your face.

Music my erotica,
10 gigs, 20 gigs, 50 gigs more.
But not from Metallica,
That industry whore.

Lars gets but a drop,
Courtney knows the deal.
Twenty two ninety-nine a pop,
EMI knows how to steal.

A&M, MCA, Capitol,
Virgin, Elektra, Sony.
All they want is control,
All of them phony.

Mom and pop shops fall,
Neon shiny lip gloss wins.
Let's all go the the mall,
Hang out with friends.

M$ vaunts Palladium seal,
Then changes its name.
I know the deal,
am hip to their game.

MTV Top Twenty,
Picked from within.
Don't show videos,
How can you win?

Go see the concerts,
Give cash to the bands.
Buy yourself t-shirts,
Money in their hands.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » June 5, 2003, 4:25 pm

lol i rationalize stealing music because record labels are greedy rofl fight the powar

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » June 5, 2003, 4:39 pm

Kyoukan,

Considering Canada's big musical contributions have been Avril, Celine, Shania, and BILL FREAKIN SHATNER. You can STFU.

Chidoro · Post by **Chidoro** » June 5, 2003, 4:44 pm

This flew off the tracks in record time

masteen · Post by **masteen** » June 5, 2003, 4:45 pm

I steal music because most music sucks. I feel zero guilt because I not only buy the good stuff on CD, but I go see it live.

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » June 5, 2003, 5:08 pm

I buy the CDs of my favorite artists and go to their concerts. The rest, I burn because I can. If I couldn't DL and listen to music, I still wouldn't pay 20$ for a CD. /shrug

I have about 5 burnt CDs in my car that I would never actually pay for. I only have them because they're free to me. No apologies from me, they wouldn't be getting my money either way.

One of them is Pink Floyd, Dark Side of the Moon, which I paid full price for the album, the tape (twice), and also the CD, which I scratched and can no longer play. I'll burn that all fucker all day long if I want to.

Kguku · Post by **Kguku** » June 5, 2003, 5:30 pm

Personally I don't care either way if someone burns / steals music or not. However keep in mind, the record labels were found guilty of price fixing on CD's, and as such had to pay out a bunch of cash in a class action suit.

Remember - it's cheaper manufacture and distribute a CD than a tape, and tapes, yet tapes are usually about $5 cheaper. Things that make you go hmmm.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » June 5, 2003, 5:35 pm

Kylere wrote:Kyoukan,

Considering Canada's big musical contributions have been Avril, Celine, Shania, and BILL FREAKIN SHATNER. You can STFU.

yes that is certainly relevant.

Kguku · Post by **Kguku** » June 5, 2003, 5:38 pm

sup kyo?

Vaemas · Post by **Vaemas** » June 5, 2003, 5:44 pm

I own the majority of the music I have on MP3. Never-the-less, I still like Kylere's poem.

Sionistic · Post by **Sionistic** » June 5, 2003, 5:56 pm

when fucking clear channel, riaa, and all these fucking shit bands are done away with, THEN i will actually pay for my music, untill then, i refuse to pay 20$ for complete SHIT music cd. The last good cd i bought was Five Pointe O's Untitled, which came out more then a year ago.
edit: oh and yea, good poem

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » June 5, 2003, 6:02 pm

I don't care what you download. I care that you try and justify is as anything other than stealing. Pretending that you are downloading mp3s in protest of artists getting screwed or that you are raging against the RIAA machine is laughable. Grab a fucking backbone and admit that you are just too cheap to pay for music you listen to and move on with your life.

Vaemas · Post by **Vaemas** » June 5, 2003, 6:09 pm

Give me a consistant way to purchase the SINGLE songs that I enjoy off an entire album that won't restrict how I use MY purchased music and I'll gladly buy the individual songs that I like.

Until then, I refuse to buy a whole CD for just one song.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » June 5, 2003, 6:12 pm

Apple is working on that. And i think it is a good fucking idea.

MS will have their own soon i'm sure. I just hope there is a port of iMusic to Windows or at least Linux before that time though.

Vaemas · Post by **Vaemas** » June 5, 2003, 6:23 pm

After Apple's retroactive change to their music system lately (yea, it was to combat an exploit of the Rendevous system), I still don't trust them. *shrug* Apple gave me hope the problem is it is still Macintosh only. I want MP3s, not some unique format.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » June 5, 2003, 7:45 pm

Vaemas wrote:Give me a consistant way to purchase the SINGLE songs that I enjoy off an entire album that won't restrict how I use MY purchased music and I'll gladly buy the individual songs that I like.

Until then, I refuse to buy a whole CD for just one song.

If I am angry that hot dog weiners sell in packages of 10 and buns in packages of 8, am I justified in stealing 2 extra buns from the store instead of buying two packages?

Record companies sell their artist's songs in full albums. If you don't like the way they do it, then don't listen to the music. Or steal it, and just admit to yourself that you are stealing it.

You are basically saying in this thread that you aren't getting what you want so you are stealing it instead of paying for it. That's cool, but don't rationalize it as anything other than you taking something that doesn't belong to you without paying for it.

Vaemas · Post by **Vaemas** » June 5, 2003, 9:11 pm

Never said it any other way Kyoukan. I'll be the first to admit that I have several single MP3s that I never paid for. Yes, in fact, I stole the music from the rightful artist right over the Internet (that clear enough?).

Give me the option to buy that single track and I would gladly do it.

Until then, I'll keep collecting the single tracks from time to time through obviously illicit means. I would suggest to the RIAA and record studios that they quit fucking off and instead of suing people, use that money to sell single tracks over the web.

This isn't the 80s corporate lawyer gig anymore. Companies need to get with the times.

Oh yeah, sup Kyou?

noel · Post by **noel** » June 5, 2003, 9:20 pm

Sup Kyou?

I WANT to be able to download all the music I want, when I want it. I'm willing to pay for this, but I want to be able to access any song I own the rights to play from either of my computers, my car, or my home stereo system.

Make it so!

Sionistic · Post by **Sionistic** » June 5, 2003, 11:06 pm

yup, it is stealing, so why doesnt the government do something against it? because its just waaaay too much work over something so trivial. RIAA can do whatever they want, all they do is make it annoying. they are gonna have to learn that they must transform their ways around file sharing. its the way of the future.

want me to pay for my downloads, make it so i can buy single songs for like 50-70cents a download, and then i would gladly pay. but that probably wouldnt work for the riaa because of fucking corp shitheads in clear channel jacking up album prices, making us pay a shitload for one fucking cd, fuck them and their fucking horse

Post by **Xouqoa** » June 5, 2003, 11:23 pm

What's going on in this thread?

edit: Sup, Kyou?

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » June 6, 2003, 12:49 am

Sionistic wrote:yup, it is stealing, so why doesnt the government do something against it? because its just waaaay too much work over something so trivial. RIAA can do whatever they want, all they do is make it annoying. they are gonna have to learn that they must transform their ways around file sharing. its the way of the future.

want me to pay for my downloads, make it so i can buy single songs for like 50-70cents a download, and then i would gladly pay. but that probably wouldnt work for the riaa because of fucking corp shitheads in clear channel jacking up album prices, making us pay a shitload for one fucking cd, fuck them and their fucking horse

The RIAA exists as a body that governs and protects the interests of major record labels. It is not their job to invent ways to distribute music in a manner people like better. That's what technology companies do.

You are not "sticking it to the RIAA" every time you download an MP3. You are shafting the record labels, and the artists that make loyalties.

Sionistic · Post by **Sionistic** » June 6, 2003, 2:03 am

those artists would rather i buy their merch (which i do) and goto their concerts (which i do) since they get OMGIAMRETARDEDCAUSEALOTISTWOWORDS more money from those then cd's.
they want to protect the interests of major record labels? how about they save the interests by telling these companies to fucking adapt already

Shanks · Post by **Shanks** » June 6, 2003, 2:03 am

Please pay me loyalties!

Sionistic · Post by **Sionistic** » June 6, 2003, 2:05 am

ok, i did not know about that filter

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » June 6, 2003, 2:19 am

haha, i meant royalties ^o^

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » June 6, 2003, 2:22 am

Sionistic wrote:those artists would rather i buy their merch (which i do) and goto their concerts (which i do) since they get a lot more money from those then cd's.
they want to protect the interests of major record labels? how about they save the interests by telling these companies to fucking adapt already

now you are telling million and billion dollar companies how to run their business.

seriously, do you know how stupid that sounds?

threatening companies to adapt to your needs or you will steal from them is moronic, and it is something people only justify to do with music and other things they download off the internet. you don't steal things from other industries because they aren't selling them in a manner in which you deem satisfactory do you?

It disgusts me that people keep coming up with newer and more creative excuses for why they steal. why won't you just admit you are too cheap to pay for it?

I would bet a month's pay that if a perfect system of downloading mp3's from record labels for your own personal use for a dollar or two per song came out tomorrow, 99% of you would still be on kazaa downloading shit for free. because people like to get stuff without having to work or pay for it. you would just come up with new excuses for why you don't want to buy it and how it's not really stealing.

And yes I'm sure all those major record label artists don't care if you download their latest album or buy it.

vn_Tanc · Post by **vn_Tanc** » June 6, 2003, 5:52 am

Concerts generally make a loss unless the punters buy merchandise. So do singles. Albums is where the money is at.

I don't do MP3 cos the sound quality is generally shit and I'm a snob.
I can see the trade-off in quality for portability/size in certain scenarios but no way would I pay to DL one.

I buy CDs. I have a lot of them. I haven't ripped off any music _at all_ since I stopped owning a cassette deck about 10 years ago. But then I'm now becoming a wizened old fart and I don't get much exposure to new stuff.
Downloading MP3s is no different from DLing warez or movies. It's piracy, it's not Robin Hood.

Lexien · Post by **Lexien** » June 6, 2003, 9:23 am

Ok Kyou you need to drop it.. You are no better with all your bit torrent shit.

Kindly STFU.

I download music to try new stuff if i like it i go BUY it to encourage the artitsts i like and i even go see em LIVE and buy their CD's straight from them so they get more of the money.

Now if any of you have a problem with that sue me.

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » June 6, 2003, 9:55 am

For Kyoukans ignorant movie pirating ass, perhaps a little reading will buy you a clue, check out Salon.com Article by Courtney Love

The fact is that bands make their money from touring and merchandising, the record companies keep the majority of income from record sales. I know you want to jump on the bandwagon AGAINST anything I say, but just ONCE you need to educate yourself.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » June 6, 2003, 11:27 am

small bands dont make much from CD sales. it is the record companies that do. Very large acts who can negotiate their own contracts (REM, Madonna, etc) do get a substantial cut from CD sales.

But here is the thing, for a small band to get the funding for an increasingly better tour, etc, they need the backing of the Recording Companies to promote the bands to MTV and radio stations. They need to spend money on the video production, they need to spend money advertising for the tour, spend the money on booking venues, etc.

And if a smallish band isnt selling records because 85% of the fans 'stole' the music, the record company isnt going to put money behind them because they have no indicator other than sales to gauge whether they should invest in the act.

i seriously doubt there is quality market research on what mp3s are most likely to be passed between gnutella clients.

you may be hurting Warner Bros or Atlantic or Sony more than you are hurting a small act like The Donnas. But in the end you are hurting them too because they are viewed as a quality investment by their record label because they dont sell CDs.

Sionistic · Post by **Sionistic** » June 6, 2003, 11:36 am

kyoukan wrote:
Sionistic wrote:those artists would rather i buy their merch (which i do) and goto their concerts (which i do) since they get a lot more money from those then cd's.
they want to protect the interests of major record labels? how about they save the interests by telling these companies to fucking adapt already
now you are telling million and billion dollar companies how to run their business.

seriously, do you know how stupid that sounds?

threatening companies to adapt to your needs or you will steal from them is moronic, and it is something people only justify to do with music and other things they download off the internet. you don't steal things from other industries because they aren't selling them in a manner in which you deem satisfactory do you?

It disgusts me that people keep coming up with newer and more creative excuses for why they steal. why won't you just admit you are too cheap to pay for it?

I would bet a month's pay that if a perfect system of downloading mp3's from record labels for your own personal use for a dollar or two per song came out tomorrow, 99% of you would still be on kazaa downloading shit for free. because people like to get stuff without having to work or pay for it. you would just come up with new excuses for why you don't want to buy it and how it's not really stealing.

And yes I'm sure all those major record label artists don't care if you download their latest album or buy it.

i already admitted i am stealing, are you happy? no. so thats all your getting. 2$ a song? thats almost twice as much as paying for a regular cd! FUCK that. thats why i said around 50-70cents a song. THATS reasonable. have you ever tried to download new songs on kazaa and things like that? its fucking annoying with all this beeping and looping shit. if a service came out like i said a shitload of people would use it to avoid the annoyance that the fucking jackshits at riaa do.

and yes i do think the way they are selling cd's is unsatisfactory. I'm not telling them to adapt because thats what i want. I'm telling them to adapt because wtf else are they going to do? its too large scale and too hidden to stop.

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » June 6, 2003, 11:39 am

Well Voro, to extent, that's the way it works now. However, if no one paid for music at all, do you think music would just drop off the face of the earth? Every musician on the planet would throw their arms up in the air and say "it's not worth the money"?

It's laughable that record companies think they are the sole source to music and without them we're all somehow worse off. Maybe artists will become famous and successful because of their merit and talent instead of marketing. Wouldn't that be crazy?

Like I said above, I DL because I can. If I couldn't DL, I still wouldn't give 2 shits since I wouldn't be buying those albums anyway. I'm not depriving anyone of anything. The implication that I am, pisses me off.

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » June 6, 2003, 11:46 am

Lexien wrote:Ok Kyou you need to drop it.. You are no better with all your bit torrent shit.

Kindly STFU.

I download music to try new stuff if i like it i go BUY it to encourage the artitsts i like and i even go see em LIVE and buy their CD's straight from them so they get more of the money.

Now if any of you have a problem with that sue me.

She's not saying she is innocent or better, she is arguing against your reasoning. Repeatedly she said that you stealing music is cool with her. Her point is, and I agree with, is stop trying to mask your stealing as anything other than simply being a thief.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » June 6, 2003, 11:51 am

Fair i hear you.

i'm not even really arguing much of that.

Media companies in general are simply struggling to come up with a way to sell their products that cannot be simply circumvented using readily available means.

the ideal scenario would be buying music directly from the musicians.

that cant happen in the current media environment. Especially with congress further deregulating media conglomerate ownership of outlets, getting radio airtime without the power of a major label promotion department behind you is extremely daunting, and obviously the average Joe isnt going to be able to fund his own music video and convince Viacom that it is worth some of their time to throw on MTV.

hopefully in the new media marketplace artists will have greater alternatives which will lead to greater revenues that they see. But the bottom line is the companies that distribute and promote the artists need to be able to make money as well.

it is very interesting to try to come up with a good workable solution that consumers want to use and that still generates revenue for the industry.

if anybody can come up with one, PM me

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » June 6, 2003, 12:08 pm

Kylere wrote:For Kyoukans ignorant movie pirating ass, perhaps a little reading will buy you a clue, check out Salon.com Article by Courtney Love

The fact is that bands make their money from touring and merchandising, the record companies keep the majority of income from record sales. I know you want to jump on the bandwagon AGAINST anything I say, but just ONCE you need to educate yourself.

wow you have the reading comprehension of.. well a moron.

first off, yeah I pirate movies. I also pirate mp3s and I pirate games. and if I could download food and clothes with virtually no chance of ever getting caught, I would pirate that too and never spend another fucking dollar again. I don't know how often I have to reiterate that before it sinks into that glob of plaster of paris inside that resides in your skull, but I don't really give a fuck either way, because the fact that everyone here with a brain is laughing their ass off at how fucking stupid you are is rewarding enough.

second, I don't care who you're stealing from. you're still stealing. you're not getting one over on the man every time you download an mp3. you are merely taking something that doesn't belong to you.

but I'm glad you agree with me that courtney love is an intelligent and canny business woman who's opinions should be respected.

Lexien · Post by **Lexien** » June 6, 2003, 12:34 pm

Krimson Klaw wrote:
Lexien wrote:Ok Kyou you need to drop it.. You are no better with all your bit torrent shit.

Kindly STFU.

I download music to try new stuff if i like it i go BUY it to encourage the artitsts i like and i even go see em LIVE and buy their CD's straight from them so they get more of the money.

Now if any of you have a problem with that sue me.
She's not saying she is innocent or better, she is arguing against your reasoning. Repeatedly she said that you stealing music is cool with her. Her point is, and I agree with, is stop trying to mask your stealing as anything other than simply being a thief.

Did you read what i said?

Where is my reasonning flawed?
Where did i state that i was not stealing music and try to hide it?

I just don't like the fact that she trys to make people look bad for doing something she is guilty of herself.

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » June 6, 2003, 12:43 pm

Lexien wrote:
Krimson Klaw wrote:
Lexien wrote:Ok Kyou you need to drop it.. You are no better with all your bit torrent shit.

Kindly STFU.

I download music to try new stuff if i like it i go BUY it to encourage the artitsts i like and i even go see em LIVE and buy their CD's straight from them so they get more of the money.

Now if any of you have a problem with that sue me.
She's not saying she is innocent or better, she is arguing against your reasoning. Repeatedly she said that you stealing music is cool with her. Her point is, and I agree with, is stop trying to mask your stealing as anything other than simply being a thief.
Did you read what i said?

Where is my reasonning flawed?
Where did i state that i was not stealing music and try to hide it?

I just don't like the fact that she trys to make people look bad for doing something she is guilty of herself.

But here again is where I think we disagree with your reasoning. The record companies don't have a "pay for it only if you like it" deal with the public at large, so in essence it's stealing. Do you understand this? She's not telling you NOT to steal the songs you do, she's just saying she disagrees with you and the original posters reasoning for downloading music as anything other than stealing.

Lexien · Post by **Lexien** » June 6, 2003, 12:53 pm

I am not debating that downloading music is stealing.

I said i downloaded music, i am then on GUILTY of stealing. yes.
But on the other hand i do encourage the bands i appreciate, by purchasing their cd's and also trying to catch their shows live.

Like i also added i purchase cd's directly from bands from their own merch, at the shows, wich gives them more $$$.

And who cares if others think it's not stealing?

Nuff said.

Lexien · Post by **Lexien** » June 6, 2003, 1:00 pm

To quote you on the

The record companies don't have a "pay for it only if you like it" deal with the public at large, so in essence it's stealing.

Did you know that you can go in a music store listen to the cd and buy it if you like? I'm sure you did. Maybe it sliped your mind? I do however, understand your point. And yes downloading music is nothing more then stealing.

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » June 6, 2003, 1:07 pm

Lexien wrote:To quote you on the
The record companies don't have a "pay for it only if you like it" deal with the public at large, so in essence it's stealing.
Did you know that you can go in a music store listen to the cd and buy it if you like? I'm sure you did. Maybe it sliped your mind? I do however, understand your point. And yes downloading music is nothing more then stealing.

Did not slip my mind, I almost cited it as an example but I'm glad you went forward with it. Listening to it in a store != owning it at home and not having paid for it. I can also walk into a dealership and test drive a car for free, but I can't take it home and keep it under the guise of it being a sucky car not worth paying for. But by all means, go try it. Don't bother Einsteining out on me and saying some dealerships actually let you take the car home overnight now, I saw the commericals too, and you have to bring the car back the next day.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » June 6, 2003, 1:11 pm

it is the retail store that has the policy of letting you listen to their merchandise which they have already purchased from the record company for the sake of complete pedanticism.

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » June 6, 2003, 1:15 pm

Krimson Klaw wrote:
Lexien wrote:
Krimson Klaw wrote:
Lexien wrote:Ok Kyou you need to drop it.. You are no better with all your bit torrent shit.

Kindly STFU.

I download music to try new stuff if i like it i go BUY it to encourage the artitsts i like and i even go see em LIVE and buy their CD's straight from them so they get more of the money.

Now if any of you have a problem with that sue me.
She's not saying she is innocent or better, she is arguing against your reasoning. Repeatedly she said that you stealing music is cool with her. Her point is, and I agree with, is stop trying to mask your stealing as anything other than simply being a thief.
Did you read what i said?

Where is my reasonning flawed?
Where did i state that i was not stealing music and try to hide it?

I just don't like the fact that she trys to make people look bad for doing something she is guilty of herself.
But here again is where I think we disagree with your reasoning. The record companies don't have a "pay for it only if you like it" deal with the public at large, so in essence it's stealing. Do you understand this? She's not telling you NOT to steal the songs you do, she's just saying she disagrees with you and the original posters reasoning for downloading music as anything other than stealing.

Actually as the original poster my reasoning was not justifying theft ongoing, merely that it was too late. I started making MP3's over my thousand plus CD collection using DOS apps in the 90's when the format was still being worked out. Over 16K songs were available to me from my CD's alone. I had them burnt to CD as MP3's and filling 6 harddrives ( storage not as cheap then as it is now) I had 50gigs of mp3's when they were first talking of some new app called Napster, and enjoyed the versatility of the mp3 format and as such I dreaded the ease of the new software because I knew once the AOlusers could use it, it would be a huge mess, and it became one.

I had an FTP server I maintained for the private use of a select group for over 11 years, moving from a 9600 connection to a 1.5meg up and down SDSL line, and it was never a problem. We all bought music and even more directly supported the artists via concerts. Then along came AOlusers and the rest of the collective rectum and destroyed a good thing by abusing it. I possess no mp3's that I do not own the CD for, nor will I ever do so, beyond theft there is an issue of quality of sound.

Yes I backed the argument of the masses about mp3's in the poem, because quit frankly I had been reading some of the asinine things the RIAA has done at chillingeffects.org ( a good site for anyone interested in net issues) like sending threat notices to FTP hosts because they had 0 ( that's right ZERO) sound files on their server ( I guess it was a preemptive warning) and zapping universities because they had professors named Usher using their names in file names and storing mp3's of sounds ( not music, but for study) on the same server. Then I saw a graphic on an artsite that inspired the poem from random thought to completion.

Both sides are wrong on the issue, both sides are corrupt and greedy and beneath my contempt. Kyoukan is a thief, all MP3 users that do not own the CD's are thieves, and all the record companies are thieves.

The bad thing is that rather than attempt an open discussion of an issue like adults should, Kyoukan made it a personal attack from post one, and for the single reason that she feels my guild slighted her in HATE over 3 years ago. We did not, and she is wrong, but her blind hatred is fun because it convinces me that I never have to worry about job security as I know with people of her ilk around I will always be able to find work. Her hatred of me is an intense and personal one having nothing to do with who I am or what I do in my life, it is more sad than amusing.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » June 6, 2003, 5:25 pm

I don't hate you, I just dislike you as I dislike all stupid and obnoxious wastes of humanity, and I feel pity for all those unfortunate enough to have to deal with you on a periodic basis.

But you keep raging against that machine, you MP3 downloading modern day swashbuckler. I'm sure you have the full support of the artists you steal from, because hey; fuck the RIAA!

Sionistic · Post by **Sionistic** » June 6, 2003, 5:28 pm

well there goes the fun in this thread

Soreali · Post by **Soreali** » June 7, 2003, 1:43 am

kyoukan wrote:I don't care what you download. I care that you try and justify is as anything other than stealing. Pretending that you are downloading mp3s in protest of artists getting screwed or that you are raging against the RIAA machine is laughable. Grab a fucking backbone and admit that you are just too cheap to pay for music you listen to and move on with your life.

I'm too cheap to pay for a cd I anticipate to actually be good and turn out to be a pile of steamy horse shit.

One example: Staind's newest CD. I didn't anticipate it to be good so I downloaded it. I previewed it while I was burning it and haven't listened to it. I'm not going to pay 15+ bucks for a cd that i'll listen to once.

Artists who have talent and release good shit will get my money. Shit I bought Metallica- St. Anger yesterday and its about the best 10 bucks I could of spent on music. But for Staind which sucked horribly? No thanks.

Most of the time I'll DL a few songs and if they sound good I'll go out and buy the CD. If they dont then I know I didn't blow 15 bucks on shit.