Windows Xp...

masteen · Post by **masteen** » June 2, 2003, 3:45 pm

Can WinXP actually address 2 GB of RAM?

I ask because my gubmint money just came in, and it's new PC time. Most of the P4 mobos I've checked out have 4 DIMM slots with dual channel support, and 512 MB sticks of the good stuff aren't very expensive ATM.

cid · Post by **cid** » June 2, 2003, 3:50 pm

XP can, but if you can get your hands on server 2003. Use it.

Server 2003 rocks, and with 2gb of ram it will scream!

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » June 2, 2003, 3:55 pm

I know XP Pro can certainly address large memory amounts. I assume XP Home can as well, but i have never used XP Home.

noel · Post by **noel** » June 2, 2003, 4:01 pm

The differences are minor and have nothing to do with the Kernel.

I believe the advantages of XP pro are:

*Multi-Processor support
*Remote management

Nothing else of consequence.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » June 2, 2003, 4:17 pm

I have Pro anyway, so it's moot.

Rojer · Post by **Rojer** » June 2, 2003, 4:28 pm

Ara, I am not doubting you by any means, but can you please tell me the source of your information? I would like to read more about the differences my self.

Owenn · Post by **Owenn** » June 2, 2003, 4:43 pm

XP Home is a crock of shit. I wouldn't recommend it over Windows Me.

noel · Post by **noel** » June 2, 2003, 5:10 pm

Owenn wrote:XP Home is a crock of shit. I wouldn't recommend it over Windows Me.

What are you basing that on? Can you back up that statement, or are you talking out of your ass? XP in any flavor makes windows ME look like the piece of shit that it was. Don't spread disinformation to people who don't know any better you fucking prat.

There is NO FUNCTIONAL DIFFERENCE between XP home and XP pro in the way it operates, only in some ancillary features.

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/whichxp.asp

The differences:

Advanced networking for multiple PC environments
Internet Information Services (IIS), a Windows XP Professional feature that lets you host and manage personal Web sites
Support for multiple-processor systems
Support for multiple languages
Windows XP Professional provides more robust options for backing up and restoring data than Home Edition.
The Encrypting File System (EFS), found in Windows XP Professional but not Windows XP Home Edition, allows you to encrypt your files and folders for added security of sensitive data against theft or hackers. Restricted File Access, also found only in Professional, allows you to restrict access to selected files, applications, and other resources.
Windows XP Professional is best for people who connect to large networks, such as a school or office network, since it allows you to join and be managed by a Windows domain.
Remote Desktop, a feature found only in Windows XP Professional, lets you set up your computer for connection from any other Windows-based computer.

The conclusion is, if you don't need the above features, you'll get an operating system that's just as robust as the pro version, and has nearly all the features for $89. If money isn't an issue, go with Pro, but there's nothing wrong with using home.

Given that I have copies of both, running on two different machines, I think I would know.

Tinkalot · Post by **Tinkalot** » June 2, 2003, 5:12 pm

Rojer:

http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/wi ... me_pro.asp

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/whichxp.asp

Searyx · Post by **Searyx** » June 2, 2003, 5:16 pm

Why would you want so much ram? It a work PC, or you just like having the best of the best?

Too much ram usually slows you down.

noel · Post by **noel** » June 2, 2003, 5:19 pm

Searyx wrote:Too much ram usually slows you down.

Jesus fucking christ on a pogo stick! Do I have to patrol these forums to make sure people aren't shooting bullshit out of their mouths like fucking firehoses? Just shut the fuck up. Too much RAM NEVER slows down anything. The only question when having large amounts of RAM is whether or not the operating system you have can address it. XP in either flavor can. Please STFU. Just don't talk and die.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » June 2, 2003, 5:20 pm

Aranuil wrote:If money isn't an issue, go with Pro, but there's nothing wrong with using home.

People actually pay for Windows?

noel · Post by **noel** » June 2, 2003, 5:22 pm

masteen wrote:
Aranuil wrote:If money isn't an issue, go with Pro, but there's nothing wrong with using home.
People actually pay for Windows?

If you ever worked with software developers for any length of time you'd pay for all of your software. The amount of work that went into making XP boggles my mind. The man-hours would be staggering.

I pay for nearly all of my software. Something like the OS, I definitely pay for.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » June 2, 2003, 5:22 pm

only Searyx could post something so utterly assinine as "RAM slows you down".

Thanks for quoting him Aranuil so i could see the post in all of its idiotic splendor.

noel · Post by **noel** » June 2, 2003, 5:26 pm

The ONE time, I click to view his post because I figure he might say something intelligent, and he brings THAT to the table.

FAST PROCESORS MAEK UR COMPUTER RUN SLOW BUT IF U GAT A CLAAR CAES WIT NEON LIGHTS INSIED U CAN OV3RCLOK UR FANS AND UR SYST3M WIL B FUKNG COLZ0R!!1!!!111!11! WTF LOL

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » June 2, 2003, 5:29 pm

Neost · Post by **Neost** » June 2, 2003, 5:40 pm

Beware of Geeks bearing tech tips....

cid · Post by **cid** » June 2, 2003, 5:42 pm

My company is certified partners with Micro$oft. So I get all the software they send out.

Let me tell ya something. Server 2003 is the best os I have ever delt with.

Office 2003 is ok

Exchange 2003 is fucking mind blowing, lots of changes..

No new ISA yet, I still don't understand why anyone would use software instead of hardware. ISA plainly suks ass

masteen · Post by **masteen** » June 3, 2003, 11:06 am

Aranuil wrote:If you ever worked with software developers for any length of time you'd pay for all of your software. The amount of work that went into making XP boggles my mind. The man-hours would be staggering.

I pay for nearly all of my software. Something like the OS, I definitely pay for.

Just because a company puts an assload of manhours into something does not preclude to possibility that it's shit. I always buy my games, but I'll never give Microsloth a penny.

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » June 3, 2003, 1:48 pm

XP is not something you can just grab a copy of and install. It is just too much of a pain in the ass to have to wait for someone with a licensed copy to rip it and put it up on an FTP. You need a licensed copy in order to get updates. For $90 you eliminate the hassles. Most of you have spent more money than that on porn in the last 5 months.

The only thing keeping me from buying XP for home is that I would have to basically format the drives and do everything from the ground up in order to get a good install. Just not looking forward to anything like that in the near future.

Pilsburry · Post by **Pilsburry** » June 3, 2003, 2:35 pm

You can get updates with a illegal copy of XP.....don't ask me how I know.

Windows ME was the biggest peice of shit microsoft ever put out.....I bought and installed it on my machine the week it came out....15 mins after I was done installing it I re-formatted my HD yet again and put Windows 98 SE back on.

Actually, I can't say it was a peice of shit, I just hated it and I'm not sure exactly why...it seemed to run slower and the interface was harder to use..and I'm not the type of person who is resistant to change.

Now Windows XP was good....I ended up putting that on all 4 of my machines here....it only took me like a day to decide XP was an upgrade from 98SE.

Microsoft doesn't always put out a better version....take Access 97 for example...far more buggy then access 95 or even 2.0...seemed slower also. 2000 was OK and 2002 seems decent. I dunno about 2003.

Claritin is using server 2003 and I think he likes it....I probably won't switch to it though...not until I get a new machine. And I probably won't get a new machine for awhile....maybe 2005 or so. I don't play games much anymore...and I could browse the net/e-mail/IM on almost anything.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » June 3, 2003, 3:04 pm

Kilmoll, unless you have Win2k at home, the time you invest in reformatting to get a clean install of XP, will be well worth it in long term hassle.

One of my XP boxes was just an install over an existing Windows ME and I have had no problems.

I'm not sure it is as necessary with XP as it was with Windows 4.x to have a nice clean drive to throw the OS on.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » June 3, 2003, 4:00 pm

Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:XP is not something you can just grab a copy of and install. It is just too much of a pain in the ass to have to wait for someone with a licensed copy to rip it and put it up on an FTP. You need a licensed copy in order to get updates. For $90 you eliminate the hassles. Most of you have spent more money than that on porn in the last 5 months.

I had a pirated CD of XP a week before it was officially released. I've grabbed updates from the MS website on three different machines with the same copy. I've only spent $60 on pr0n this year, DVD pr0n is teh win!

noel · Post by **noel** » June 3, 2003, 4:09 pm

Mast,

I have yet to have a Windows XP box crash.

I have had programs that run on it crash, but never an XP box.

Come to think of it, my 2000 box has never crashed either.

My Linux box on the other hand... *shakes fist at the sky*

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » June 3, 2003, 4:10 pm

Aranuil wrote:Mast,

I have yet to have a Windows XP box crash.

I have had programs that run on it crash, but never an XP box.

Come to think of it, my 2000 box has never crashed either.

My Linux box on the other hand... *shakes fist at the sky*

My 2000 box flips me off when I boot it up, Damn kids load so much shit on it.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » June 3, 2003, 6:07 pm

Aranuil wrote:Mast,

I have yet to have a Windows XP box crash.

I have had programs that run on it crash, but never an XP box.

Come to think of it, my 2000 box has never crashed either.

My Linux box on the other hand... *shakes fist at the sky*

I had a little homemade firewall that had 414 days of continuous uptime when I turned it off to pack it up. Red Hat 6, I think. No Windows machine has ever come close, but at least XP boots up faster after freezing.

noel · Post by **noel** » June 3, 2003, 8:54 pm

If your XP box is freezing, you either have a hardware problem, or you have a VERY shitty program fucking up your OS.

Owenn · Post by **Owenn** » June 4, 2003, 3:37 am

Aranuil wrote: What are you basing that on? Can you back up that statement, or are you talking out of your ass?

If money isn't an issue, go with Pro, but there's nothing wrong with using home.

Given that I have copies of both, running on two different machines, I think I would know.

Ouch! I guess I deserved that one. I was exagerating on the comparison to Me.

In my experience with XP Home in the office, it is mostly from SalesGuy01 buying a new laptop and wanting me to connect him to our network and setup his VPN so he can "work" from home 4 hours a day. Of course he wants this done in 15 minutes so he can make his tee time.
So you can see why I am a bit on the negative side of XP home.

I use XP Pro on multiple machines and even XP Home *cough* on my wife's laptop at home. I don't have any complaints with Pro and recommend it to everyone who asks.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » June 4, 2003, 11:31 am

Aranuil wrote:If your XP box is freezing, you either have a hardware problem, or you have a VERY shitty program fucking up your OS.

It was called "EverQuest."

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » June 4, 2003, 11:57 am

Love XP, a hundred times better than the 98 I was using before it. I use 2000 here at school, and it seems a lot like 98. Pretty unstable and slows down fast, but that's also in part to the machines/possibly poorly installed software.

Question for some XP people... I currently run an illegal copy of it, but am considering getting a legit one. Is there a way to change the CD key used without reformatting so I could start using the Windows Update?

Owenn · Post by **Owenn** » June 4, 2003, 2:24 pm

Dregor Thule wrote:Love XP, a hundred times better than the 98 I was using before it. I use 2000 here at school, and it seems a lot like 98. Pretty unstable and slows down fast, but that's also in part to the machines/possibly poorly installed software.

Question for some XP people... I currently run an illegal copy of it, but am considering getting a legit one. Is there a way to change the CD key used without reformatting so I could start using the Windows Update?

If you want to go the cheap and illegal route, go here: http://theonlybob.com/cracking%20winxp%20sp1.htm

If you just want to change the Product Key, try this: http://ryan.ript.net/xppid/