Orange Juice.

Drewno · Post by **Drewno** » May 10, 2003, 4:54 am

So I started working out about 2 weeks ago, running and shit. And one day while at the store I saw a quart of orange juice and said... "Oh fuck it, what the hell" and bought it..and drank it....Then I bought another quart that night and bought it and drank it. Ever since that day (about 1 1/2 weeks ago) I've been drinking over half a gallon of Orange Juice per day. Why am I hooked on the stuff? I have no fucking clue, but I fucking love drinking it for some reason.

So, enough of the background, let me get to my question.

Are there any serious health issues related to over-consumption of orange juice? I'm hearing freaky shit from my roommate about how the citric acid gives you ulcers and how it melts away the enamel on your teeth. Anyone have any personal experience with orange juice addiction or know a lot about the effects of mass-consumption of orange juice that can help me out?

Kguku · Post by **Kguku** » May 10, 2003, 5:26 am

I don't know if orange juice can strip the enamel from your teeth, however coke / pepsi can.

The only bad thing that I know of from over-doing it with orange juice is the calories / sugar that's in it.

So enjoy your juice!

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » May 10, 2003, 6:25 am

Too much vitamin C can be bad for your skin and bones but a half gallon of OJ a day won't do it.

Citric acid can also be bad for your stomach lining but again, a half gallon isn't all that much. If you're really worried about it you can take one of those off the shelf stomach meds that protect your stomach lining from awful shit.

laneela · Post by **laneela** » May 10, 2003, 6:55 am

As long as the orange juice doesn't have any added sugars and you continue working out, you should be fine as far as the calories are concerned. Contrary to popular belief, calories are good for you, as long as they're natural. They give energy and help burn fat...

Kguku · Post by **Kguku** » May 10, 2003, 7:05 am

laneela wrote:As long as the orange juice doesn't have any added sugars and you continue working out, you should be fine as far as the calories are concerned. Contrary to popular belief, calories are good for you, as long as they're natural. They give energy and help burn fat...

Yes, calories are good for you, however an abundance of calories is not (going nuts on sweets etc and consuming 5k in calories isn't beneficial

). Also, the natural sugars in fruits add up, so as much as fruit is great to eat, going ape-shit on it isn't wise. Remember, everything in moderation (and by moderation I don't mean skimping like those weight watcher freaks that eat half a baby potatoe and say that's too much food). My doctor used to give me shit all the time because of eating so much fruit, and that was back when I was playing 4 sports. Mind you I ate and drank crazy amounts of fruits n juices n milk n water.

EDIT - Now I'm a fat couch potatoe that still enjoys his juice n fruits n milk n water

Sionistic · Post by **Sionistic** » May 10, 2003, 12:59 pm

as a kid i used to drink shitloads of it, now i have sensitive teeth, yes it does strip enamel and does a damn good job of it too, so watch how much you drink, limit it to like 2 cups a day

Bubba Grizz · Post by **Bubba Grizz** » May 10, 2003, 6:08 pm

You are going to die.

Not saying when or due to what though.

Avestan · Post by **Avestan** » May 10, 2003, 6:20 pm

Not sure if these are health issues but. . .

1. Citric Acid causes you to cramp if you are exercising. Drinking OJ after or before a workout is a very bad idea.

2. OJ and all fruit juices are very high in calories. If you are trying to lose weight, go with something else and eat fruit to get yer vitamins.

Tenuvil · Post by **Tenuvil** » May 10, 2003, 6:26 pm

um, lactic acid, not citric acid, causes cramping and muscle soreness. And it's not from consuming foods containing lactic acid, but from a byproduct of metabolic processes when your metabolism goes anaerobic during exercise. The shit gets in your muscle fibers and causes soreness and cramps.

Enjoy your OJ dude. I'm going for a bike ride.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » May 10, 2003, 6:47 pm

Nothing wrong with calories from fruit or juice as long as you are semi active, as long as you avoid OJ with OMGIAMRETARDEDCAUSEALOTISTWOWORDS of sugar in it.

Colal · Post by **Colal** » May 10, 2003, 7:05 pm

I love orange juice, and I drink OMGIAMRETARDEDCAUSEALOTISTWOWORDS of it. I've never in life had a cavity, and to be honest I don't brush my teeth but a few times a week.

I will say that if I drink to much, my anal gas release increases noticably though, so you might want to watch out for that.

Spangaloid_PE · Post by **Spangaloid_PE** » May 10, 2003, 7:15 pm

it doesn't matter what you eat or drink, in the end, you die.

Trek · Post by **Trek** » May 10, 2003, 7:33 pm

Spangaloid_PE wrote:it doesn't matter what you eat or drink, in the end, you die.

You do realize that what you eat and drink can effect WHEN you die and WHAT your quality of life is up to that point, don't you?

Spangaloid_PE · Post by **Spangaloid_PE** » May 10, 2003, 7:40 pm

Trek wrote:
Spangaloid_PE wrote:it doesn't matter what you eat or drink, in the end, you die.

You do realize that what you eat and drink can effect WHEN you die and WHAT your quality of life is up to that point, don't you?

if you're eating cow dung and drinking gasoline, sure.

laneela · Post by **laneela** » May 10, 2003, 8:08 pm

5k calories in M&M's is in no way comparable to 5k calories in orange juice - as long as (as I mentioned before) there are no added sugars: Natural sugars burn a hell of a lot faster. I'm not suggesting anyone consumes 5k calories daily, nor do I think that a half gallon of OJ has that many. All I'm saying is that when you work out, calories are almost a necessity.

Drewno · Post by **Drewno** » May 11, 2003, 12:05 am

OJ that i drink has 110 calories per serving, and 9 grams of sugar per serving, 4 servings per quart - So I'm pretty sure it's ok.

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » May 11, 2003, 1:23 am

You may want to read up on the effect of carbs (sugars are carbs) on insulin levels and how it relates to so-called carb addiction and weight loss. I know from personal experience that reducing carb intake stopped my craving for pasta, potatoes etc and cut down on how often I was hungry. I lost weight easily by just balancing carbs with protein and fat (monounsaturated especially). The typical American diet has waaaay too many carbs, mainly because we don't get our carbs from the right place: vegetables.

Fruit sugar, in a concentrated form such as fruit juice (which also can be easily consumed in large amounts) adds up the carbs quick.

Yes calories are essential for exercise, but not all calories are created equal. Nutrition has changed tremendously in the last 5-10 years with the studies done on fats & carbs. Fats are no longer the real enemy (unless you are talking trans fats which is a whole other convo), but excessive carb intake is a problem.

I'm guessing you are experiencing carb addiction. I would stop drinking so much OJ and switch to water. Sugars are sugars regardless if it is sucrose or fructose (fruit sugar). They all have the same essential effect on the body.

Spangaloid_PE · Post by **Spangaloid_PE** » May 11, 2003, 1:39 am

here's how ya eat the foods ya love without putin' on the pounds ya hate...

don't bring all the food out at once...instead of bringing out the main course and the side items together, just bring out the side items, one at a time, and the main course last. each time you bring out a side item, eat some and then eat the main course.

you won't eat as much, you'll still be eating (which is important) and you won't feel hungry. add in a lil cardio work out and you've got yourself the perfect diet.

Asheran Mojomaster · Post by **Asheran Mojomaster** » May 11, 2003, 3:33 am

I drink orange juice all the time and have for a while now, all my friends tell me it will give ya ulcers, but I talked with my doctor about it and he said that only happens if the lining in your stomach is SUPER sensitive or you drink OMGIAMRETARDEDCAUSEALOTISTWOWORDS of it (like a gallon+ a day probably).

Pilsburry · Post by **Pilsburry** » May 11, 2003, 1:48 pm

When I was a kid I used to make a pitcher of OJ and then drink the whole thing....sometimes a couple times a day...

I don't have any problems with ulcers or more cavities then usual. However different people can be more susceptible...scrimps, scrimpy, and zergs have weak ass teeth....soda tore right through them.

It's definately better for you than soda. But if you drink water instead that's probably better for you unless your trying to add some mass.

As for lactic acid and cramping (lactic acid being a by product of muscle use, not found in OJ) Potassium can help with that. You can find potassium in bananas.

As for too much Vitamin C....take a look at most multi-vitamins RDA value of vitamin C. I don't have any on hand ATM because I ran out...but I think mine had a lot of vitamin C, like a crazy amount...

Now Lalanae....
Your saying I need calories to burn fat off?

I'm trying to lose these last 5-10lbs before I start trying to add muscle mass.....but I've been on a reduced calorie diet and working out....I'd eat like 1200 calories and then go to the gym every other day and burn accourding to the machines something like 700-1000 calories off. 30-60 mins on the cross trainer, 400-800 sit-ups, then a standard work-out.

Plus I'm taking somethng to speed my metabolism (no, it doesn't have ephedra)

Are you saying I'd do better if I ate more calories? I've also been avoiding fat a bit....everthing is low fat.

The low fat is just soemthing I have always done, also diet soda etc...

But the reduced calorie is just a side effect of me avoiding sweets and also my habit of poor meal planing....I hate working out too soon after I eat so a lot of days I end up skipping a meal or eating light so that I can go to the gym earlier w/o feeling like I have to puke after the cardio.

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » May 11, 2003, 5:13 pm

No, calories are simply a unit of body energy. If you work out a lot, then you want to make sure you increase your caloric intake a bit so you don't have too much of a caloric deficit. If you look up "basal metabolic rate (BMR)" you can figureout how many calories per day your body consumes just for basic functioning and then determine how many calories per day you need to consume depending on your activity level.

If you want to burn fat, then stop reducing your fat intake and start reducing your carb intake.
* Avoid anything made with flour, potatoes, rice, beans. Eat meat and veggies.
* Increase your fiber (a VERY important thing missing from most Western diets).
* Increase your monounsaturated fat intake (almonds, avocado, olive, olive oil) to reduce saturated fat in the body.
* Avoid trans fats (anything that says "hydrogenated" or "fractionated" fat/oil) which are fats that INCREASE saturated fat in your body. Its better to consume a saturated fat then a trans fat.
* EDIT Forgot this one! Drink 64 oz of water per day. I just avoid other drinks altogether, unless its my Hanson's Diet soda (Splenda sweetened so no carbs no calories)

The reason why obesity is such a problem in Western society is because we eat so many hi-carb foods. Our bodies are made for a hi-protein hi-fiber diet. Obesity was not seen in man until bread became a staple of the diet.

On a personal note, I started following this "diet" (altho I hate calling it that, because its more about eating right than losing weight) and found that I eat less often, I don't have the cravings I used to have, and I don't think twice about skipping the french fries (never thought that would ever happen).

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » May 11, 2003, 5:14 pm

Also, if you follow the "diet" above you wont have to watch calories. Your body will watch them for you.

Spangaloid_PE · Post by **Spangaloid_PE** » May 11, 2003, 5:55 pm

you are right in calling what you eat a diet. it's hard for me to explain cause i'm dumb but what you eat ='s your diet. maybe it isn't so difficult after all /shrug

Pilsburry · Post by **Pilsburry** » May 11, 2003, 10:04 pm

Lalanae wrote:Basal Metabolic Rate (BMR) you can figureout how many calories per day your body consumes just for basic functioning and then determine how many calories per day you need to consume depending on your activity level.

Harris Benedict Formula for Men
BMR = 66 + (13.7 X weight in kilos) + (5 X height in cm) - (6.8 X age in years)

Notes:
1 inch = 2.54 cm.
1 kilogram = 2.2 lbs

173lbs / 2.2 = 78.6 Kilos
5'10" = 70 inches......70 x 2.54 = 178cm

66 + (13.7 x 78.6) + (5 x 178) - (6.8 x 29)
66+1077+890-197
1836 calories = Pilsburry's BSM

So I should eat approx 1850 calories a day....

If you want to burn fat, then stop reducing your fat intake and start reducing your carb intake.
* Avoid anything made with flour, potatoes, rice, beans.

OMG NO!!!

Eat meat and veggies.

Eh, meat is easy enough...but the only vegetables I like are high in carbs...particularly the potato you just told me to give up...

* Increase your fiber (a VERY important thing missing from most Western diets).

Ack, salad? I can do salads and cucumbers I guess will be fiber and also vegetables I guess...

* Increase your monounsaturated fat intake (almonds, avocado, olive, olive oil) to reduce saturated fat in the body.

Hmm....I don't even know where to start here, I'll have to look into it..I don't cook with oil etc...

* Avoid trans fats (anything that says "hydrogenated" or "fractionated" fat/oil) which are fats that INCREASE saturated fat in your body. Its better to consume a saturated fat then a trans fat.

Again, I dunno what's what ATM..I'll look into it.

* EDIT Forgot this one! Drink 64 oz of water per day. I just avoid other drinks altogether, unless its my Hanson's Diet soda (Splenda sweetened so no carbs no calories)

I probably drink atleast 64 oz of water, and I only drink diet soda...

The reason why obesity is such a problem in Western society is because we eat so many hi-carb foods. Our bodies are made for a hi-protein hi-fiber diet. Obesity was not seen in man until bread became a staple of the diet.

But bread is so good....I mean you can tell by my name that I like bread type goods.

On a personal note, I started following this "diet" (altho I hate calling it that, because its more about eating right than losing weight) and found that I eat less often, I don't have the cravings I used to have, and I don't think twice about skipping the french fries (never thought that would ever happen).

French fries come with everything when you eat out....I mean the other day I ordered a fajita wrap....it came with chips and salsa.....the waitress substituted fries instead of the chips and salsa....I eat out a lot w/friends.

Pilsburry · Post by **Pilsburry** » May 11, 2003, 10:15 pm

Lose Between 1 and 2 Pounds of Weight, Maximum
If you want to lose fat, a useful guideline for lowering your calorie intake is to reduce your calories by at least 500, but not more than 1000 below your maintenance level. For people with only a small amount of weight to lose, 1000 calories will be too much of a deficit. As a guide to minimum calorie intake, the American College of Sports Medicine (ACSM) recommends that calorie levels never drop below 1200 calories per day for women or 1800 per day for men. Even these calorie levels are quite low.

WTF? Never drop below 1800? But it should be 500 to 1000 below my mainenance level?

Je ne comprende pas. What type of fucked up logic is that statement? I consider myself average weight/height/age...so other men's values should be close to 1800 also..maybe 1500-2100..

So I look up another calculation...

Quick Estimate of Calorie Needs for Men
If moderately active, multiply your current weight in pounds by 16.5
If typically inactive, multiply your current weight in pounds by 14

I'm moderately active I guess because I work out a few times a week fairly hard.

So this calculation says I need....2855 calories.

Wow, that's like over 50% change...

But this figure makes more sense if they say reduce calorie intake 500-1000 but take in 1800 calories a day minimum...and my BSM was 1850.

laneela · Post by **laneela** » May 11, 2003, 11:42 pm

The first thing you need to bare in mind is that you shouldn't be extreme in any direction. Try to maintain a healthy balance of calories, carbohydrates and fat; because when you deprive yourself of any of them, it leads your body into a metabolic slowdown. Carbs, fat and calories are not the devil. None of them are going to make you fat - the excess of any will.

If you're excercising, you need to provide your body with a healthy source of energy to increase your metabolism. Complex carbohydrates are probably the best source. There is a big difference between simple sugars and complex carbs. You should definately stay away from anything processed since your body doesn't know how to use it and tends to store it and convert it to fat. Stay away from white rice, potatoes and white flour and try to substitute them for brown rice, whole grains, green vegetables, etc (generally a good source of fiber) and avoid eating any carbs at least 5 hours before you go to bed.

Pilsburry · Post by **Pilsburry** » May 12, 2003, 2:41 am

Yeah the chick at GNC told me to switch from white bread to wheat...I didn't know why she said it...but I made the switch partially...meaning instead of 2 loaves of white I bought one white and one wheat.

The wheat was actually way better for me besides being non-processed.

The white I had was Pilsburry honey white...yeah....I um...I buy Pilsburry when I can.

But the Pilsburry was 90 calories a slice or so (which is about average, but this stuff tastes better)....

And the wheat was 40 calories per slice (reduced cal). The fat was reduced and the protein went up. It wasn't Pilsburry tho...and it defiantely doesn't taste as good to me...I dislike wheat bread.

I like potato bread...how do you think that qualifies? Is it processed? It's like all yellow....

laneela · Post by **laneela** » May 12, 2003, 3:32 am

I'm assuming potato bread is made with enriched flour which is a simple carb, therefore bad... Potatos themselves are also simple carbs. You should look into making your own bread - that way you know what goes into it and can make it exactly as you want. A bread machine only costs about $100.00.

Pilsburry · Post by **Pilsburry** » May 12, 2003, 4:11 am

Don't get me wrong...I can cook and bake....

But unless I have someone who feels like cleaning up after me....I don't think baking my own bread is a good idea. I have a hard enough time convincing me to clean uo the messes I make in the kitchen as things stand now.

I know your going to say it's virtually mess free...trust me..I will make a huge mess. I don't know how I manage to do it but even making a turkey sandwich leaves a big mess when I do it.

Owenn · Post by **Owenn** » May 12, 2003, 5:11 am

OJ gives me ulcers on my tongue and I hate that

Ennia · Post by **Ennia** » May 12, 2003, 5:37 pm

that diet sounds like Atkins Lalanae

Pilsburry · Post by **Pilsburry** » May 12, 2003, 6:46 pm

I thought the same at first, but she said to increase fiber and balance carbs w/protein and fat.

Atkins seems a lot more strict on carbs....and it's like impossible to eat fiber on that diet...it's pretty much meat and cheese only.

I could never do atkins, if I eat too much meat/cheese I feel lethargic....I like fruits and breads...don't get me wrong, I love steak etc...but I can't eat it breakfast lunch and dinner every day for months.

Melrin_Specclaster · Post by **Melrin_Specclaster** » May 15, 2003, 2:56 pm

Drink all the OJ you want, when I get kicks I can drink a gallon a day. And for fuck sake, ignore the people that tell you to back off. If the world was full of people where the greatest threat was drinking too much OJ..........

Somali · Post by **Somali** » May 15, 2003, 4:40 pm

Pils,

The reason the GNC chick told you to eat WHOLE wheat bread instead of white is the fiber content. Fiber helps cleanse your system. Whole wheat is higher in fiber than most of the other stuff. Basically, If Calories and Fat are approx equivocal in the bread types you look at, pick the one with the highest fiber.