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Mezzmor · Post by **Mezzmor** » August 7, 2002, 3:29 pm

Who is going to win it all this year?

I am thinking Miami again...but...

My beloved 'Noles may be capable of an upset down in Miami, Rix is like 500% better and we actually have a running game as well...

We all know Notre Dame has talent...the question is, do they FINALLY have a real football coach?

South Carolina will win the SEC this year.

The Big 10 will suck as usual.

The Big 12 is gonna be a dogfight, lots of tough football teams.

Regardless of the outcome, a lot of the big time teams have really tough schedules this year, IMO this will be the best year in a long time for college football up until the BCS selection day, when 12 teams with 1 loss apiece are all left wondering why the hell we still don't have a playoff system.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » August 7, 2002, 3:38 pm

South Carolina will win the SEC this year.

We all know Notre Dame has talent...

ROFL!!! Do you people (CrimiNoles) actually WATCH football, or do you just regurgitate what the local Nole radio tells you?

Bubba Grizz · Post by **Bubba Grizz** » August 7, 2002, 3:43 pm

Hey, is anyone interested in running a fantasy football for this board? I'd be interested in playing but not commish due to my already being involved in a few other things. Yahoo has a pretty simple setup for it and it is free.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » August 7, 2002, 3:48 pm

hey Mezz.

i just purchased my tickets for the massacre that is going to take place at the Orange Bowl on October 11th, 2002.

this is what is going to happen.

12:04pm Miami kicks off
12:10pm Game resumes after FSU return man is exhumed at the 10 yard line
12:19pm FSU QB Rix is admitted to Jackson Memorial Hospital with severe cranial bleeding
12:30pm The masses descend down from the stands and rip the limbs off of anybody with an FSU hat and beat them down with their own arms.

One can dream....

Mezzmor · Post by **Mezzmor** » August 7, 2002, 3:52 pm

Nice Masteen. Have fun with your 5-6 mediocre season up in Gainesville. Let me know when you guys come up with slander slightly less than 10 years old to throw at us. The criminoles thing is JUST a bit outdated.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » August 7, 2002, 4:02 pm

The day Fatty stops recruiting from state penal institutions is the day I let the CrimiNoles thing drop.

Voro, you make a big assumption that Rix is gonna live that long. I've seen the collection of tree sloths that they got for an O-line this year. I hope Rix has been doing his wind sprints, because he's gonna be running for his life early and often.

Raistin · Post by **Raistin** » August 7, 2002, 4:31 pm

When was the last time the SCC or ACC played more than a team that feilded Basketball players?

masteen · Post by **masteen** » August 7, 2002, 4:36 pm

I understand now.

The ACC is definitely a basketball conference.

The SEC well, I could go on about how not only does half the conference GO to bowls every year, but they actually WIN them! We could talk National Titles (Bama, Tennessee, Florida). We can talk about the fact that every week an average of 7 SEC teams are in the Top 25, and every team in the conference, WILL make at least one appearance on said list.

Raistin · Post by **Raistin** » August 7, 2002, 4:42 pm

Scc and Acc play nothing but worthless teams. Ill go more in detail once I finnish drinking.

Xyun · Post by **Xyun** » August 7, 2002, 4:49 pm

The most difficult conference is the big 12. I think the team that carries the momentum from the big 12 will go to the orange bowl (hopefully OU). All you floridians need to gtfo.

Raistin · Post by **Raistin** » August 7, 2002, 4:53 pm

How is Big 12 the most difficult of them all? Nebraska still being tied down from AA football teams?

Davel · Post by **Davel** » August 7, 2002, 4:57 pm

Bah, you guys are all mistaken. USC is gonna pwn everyone this year, ESPECIALLY Notre Dame, but ESPECIALLY UCLA. FIGHT ON TROJANS!

Post by **Sylvus** » August 7, 2002, 5:00 pm

Mezzmor wrote: The Big 10 will suck as usual.

I'd like to kindly ask you to suck it, please. The Big 10 is consistently good, with just about any team usually being able to pull off an upset over any other team. Just because the SEC and the ACC like to schedule most of their games against St. Cecelia's School for Crippled Girls and run the score up doesn't a better conference make.

I'm not sure if I'm remembering correctly, but wasn't the BCS removing margin of victory from the rankings this year? If so, just wait, you'll start to see a lot more Big 10 National Champions in the near future.

Xyun · Post by **Xyun** » August 7, 2002, 5:07 pm

Big 12 has Nebraska, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M, Colorado, and Kansas State. 6 Powerhouse football teams. No other conference can compare.

Cajen · Post by **Cajen** » August 7, 2002, 5:14 pm

"South Carolina will win the SEC this year." - Mezzmor

Ummm, your joking right? LSU is gonna school em all. Alabama or Florida might have a shot, but the Gamecocks??? LOL man lay off the Mickeys dude!

Raistin · Post by **Raistin** » August 7, 2002, 5:16 pm

How does that make them good teams? They play AA football teams.

Nebraska lol. They fill up their year of at least 3 AA teams,and play teams like Kansas State. Goes for the rest of them.

At least Big 10 and um a few others play their top teams. Not random 1-10 teams and score 72-0 to get points. Well see this year.

Post by **Xouqoa** » August 7, 2002, 5:21 pm

Big 12 South > Big 12 North

Hook 'em Horns.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » August 7, 2002, 5:25 pm

No other conference can compare.

First off, on what fucking planet are Colorado and K St. powahaus teams?

Secondly...
Legit Top 25 SEC teams:
Florida
Tennessee
LSU
USC
Georgia
Bama
Auburn
Ole Miss
Miss St.

The SEC is the premier football conference, BAR NONE!

EDIT: Last year the Big 12 had EIGHT FUCKING TEAMS with 5 or more losses! That's 3/4 of the conference!

Post by **Xouqoa** » August 7, 2002, 5:27 pm

Colorado was very impressive last year, and they have been in the past as well. Not sure they're a powerhouse, but they usually field a good team. Kansas State, I don't know much about them... they had a really good run a few years ago, though. A guy I went to HS with plays (or used to play) Center for them.

Cajen · Post by **Cajen** » August 7, 2002, 5:30 pm

SEC does own all, no other way around it.

Raistin · Post by **Raistin** » August 7, 2002, 5:41 pm

HAHAHHAAHAHAHAH YOUR KIDDING ME

Tennessee played UF. Maybe the only good team in SCC.
LSU who?
USC what?
Georgia in the shit house.
Bama when was the last time they won more games,than giving money to highschool kids.
Auburn where are they?
Ole Miss they are the cocks right? Seems to me they are sucking their own cocks. Go Go 7-4 record! POWA UP IN DA HOUSE!
Miss St. say wha?

WHO HAVE THEY EVEN BEAT? They only play eachother and thats like watching retards beating eachother over the head with a walking stick.

Adex_Xeda · Post by **Adex_Xeda** » August 7, 2002, 5:44 pm

You can tell its football season here in Aggieland. There's a change likened to industrial foliage as the colors in town start turning maroon.

Like some Aztec temple dominating the skyline, they start lighting up the stadium with the largest crowds in Texas.

There's a hum in the air as the people start moving with added energy and the radio waves buzz with the statistics of the grid iron.

Football is the heartbeat of this town. This time of year we all feel it pulse.

Most people attend a foolball game to watch their team play.

Here at Aggieland we live and breath the football game as in 4 short hours on a Saturday afternoon, eighty-nine thousand people borg up into the deafening 12 man.

AH life is more vibrant this time of year......[/list]

Cajen · Post by **Cajen** » August 7, 2002, 5:45 pm

Raistin, I'm assuming SCC = SEC.

Take a look at the Top 25 bud, and then come back and tell us how bad the SEC sucks. Whether it be this years, lasts or whatever, the SEC is always in the running.

k? tks

Post by **Sylvus** » August 7, 2002, 5:47 pm

Come to Ann Arbor and enjoy a game with 112,000 people if you want to feel the excitement. =)

Go Blue!

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » August 7, 2002, 5:50 pm

Raistlin's anaylsis i will have to agree with:

Tennessee: good team
LSU: mid range team, on par with Ga Tech, Mich State, other bullshit teams
South Carolina: never done shit ever
Georgia: won a national championship in 1980, and these dumbfucks around here still think they are good. Haven't done jack shit since then
Bama: preparing to go back on probation
Auburn: sucks
Ole Miss: who cares
Miss St: sometimes decent

as for all of those national championships, Miami has more than UF and FSU combined, and that is all that matters!

most SEC fans think success is going to some shit like the Outback Bowl or Weedeater Bowl or something. There is only one bowl that matters and it is played on Jan 3rd.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » August 7, 2002, 5:50 pm

South Carolina are the Game Cocks.

UF beat the living fuck outta the ACC champs Maryland in the Orange Bowl.

LSU beat Illinois in the Sugar Bowl last year, 47-34. The Illini got some late scores, because that game wasn't close at any point.

Teh Cocks beat Ohio St., and Tennessee beat Michigan, completing the SEC > Big 10 shutout

Those just are the ones I watched last season. I know that a couple other SEC teams went to bowls. UGA and Bama lost very close games.

EDIT: Don't be pissy just cause your team plays in the SECOND worst conference in football, Voro

Raistin · Post by **Raistin** » August 7, 2002, 6:23 pm

Tennessee's matches this year, were 11-2 last year. This is the SEC's big daddy team here. This is what they will face,and be in the upper 15th because of a sorry ass weak year. Give or take 2 yeams,and this is the same as they played last year.

vs Wyoming - 2-9.<---I dont need to say much.

Sep 7 vs Middle Tenn. St. 8-3 record. Sounds good huh? heres the link to their wins lol http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/teamsched ... &year=2001 <-----uh?This is like arena football going vs NFL.

Sep 21 vs Florida 10-2 last year <---- ok,1 good team here. Who knows how they will play like.

Sep 28 vs Rutgers 2-9 last year <---double uh?

Oct 5 vs Arkansas 7-5 last year Lost to Tenn 13-3 WOW O WOW. Lost 31-10 Alabamba,34-23 Georgia, BEAT WEBBER STATE 42-17, W vs Mississippi 58-56, W 27-20 vs Cent. Florida lol, need I go on? !<---watch out! lol

Oct 12 at Georgia 8-3 losses at South Carolina, Fl , Auburn and Boston College?. Notable wins at Vanderbilt, Arkansas, Huston? <----WOOF WOOF!

Oct 26 vs Alabama 7-5 Losses at UCLA, South Carolina Mississippi Tennessee LSU. Impressive wins at............... Iowa State 14-13 Southern Miss * a bible highschool?* 28-15,UTEP?huh who the fuck is that. Arkansas AND VANDERFILIT 12-9. <----hi?

Nov 2 at South Carolina All I can say is they defeated Wofford pretty good,38-14. Gave Tennesse a run for their money at 17-10 loss. Over all a good year. <---hmm?

Nov 9 vs Miami Fla <----second team thats good.

Nov 16 at Mississippi St. <----

Nov 23 at Vanderbilt <---should be AAA football.
Nov 30 vs Kentucky <---2-9? Too much shit to type for their sorry ass.

Dont come at me with SEC bs!I for one love Penn State. They have SUCKED so bad the last 3-4 years it makes me want to cry. The Big 10 besides last year,has always put forth more wins in Bowl games and such. They play a harder year IN THEIR CONFRENCE and outside of it, than ACC and SEC. Thats why their losses launch up there. 2 maybe 3 teams in the Big 10 have records below 3-8. Unlike Sec who have teams that post 1-9 years non stop. Thats how the SEC ranks higher than anyone else. They run up the score on their own Confrence teams,and beat Vanderbilit teams all the time.

Mezzmor · Post by **Mezzmor** » August 7, 2002, 6:45 pm

Cajen, I agree that LSU will own UF, but half the SEC, Miami and FSU are also gonna own them, so I don't think thats a valid claim to powerhouse football legitimacy.

Masteen, last year, prior to the season, I openly admitted FSU was not going to have a very good year. We had a horrible year by FSU standards. For you to say, at this point in time, that UF is a top 5 team is...well, there surely has to be a self help program for the kind of delusions you suffer. Once again this year, UF will come to Tallahassee (can you spell that?) and once again go down in flames. When was the last time you won at FSU? I am thinking it was when FSU was the state university for girls, which would put it around the 1930s...could be mistaken though.

What do you do when a UF grad knocks at your door? You pay him for the pizza of course.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » August 7, 2002, 9:49 pm

Riast: Not all of us can find quality, in-conference foes like Duke (0-11), Wake Forest (6-5), UVA (5-7), and NC St. (7-4). I can see why you needed to look outside the ACC for tougher teams like Notre Dame (5-6, but they got Touchdown Jebus), and Iowa State (7-5, but lost to EVERY ranked team they faced and Alabama). But don't let little things like FACTS slow ya down!

Mezz: The closest we got was the infamous Choke in Doak, 1994. The closest Chris Rix is gonna get to the Heisman is when he offers to blow Grossman after Rex throws for 500 yards over the midgets you have playing corner.

Pubin · Post by **Pubin** » August 8, 2002, 6:58 am

Sooners have the big 12 this year unless Texas has some especially talented redshirts hidden away from last year. More returning starters than any other team in the 12 for OU. Being a fairweather fan, I will like whoever is doing the best.

Mezzmor · Post by **Mezzmor** » August 8, 2002, 9:43 am

Umm Raist, man, the big 10 didn't win a single bowl game last year.

They won like 2 the year before.

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » August 8, 2002, 10:09 am

Ummm Mezz Iowa beat Texas Tech and Mich St beat Fresno last year.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » August 8, 2002, 10:26 am

Cartalas wrote:Ummm Mezz Iowa beat Texas Tech and Mich St beat Fresno last year.

wow that owns.

you beat a technical college

and a community college

gratz

Post by **Xouqoa** » August 8, 2002, 11:20 am

wtf Texas Tech isn't really a Technical college...

Not anymore, anyway. It might have been once upon a time.. I dunno.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » August 8, 2002, 11:21 am

regardless they still suck

they always have and they always will.

they are a nobody school, so acting like winning over them in the Las Vegas Copper Supplamental Insurance Bowl is an accomplishment for the Big 10 is a load of crap

Bubba Grizz · Post by **Bubba Grizz** » August 8, 2002, 11:29 am

How many damn bowls are there in college anyhow? I think they should arrange something like the NFL Playoffs or Final Four for college basketball. That way we get a definitive answer as to who is the best. Everything is too subjective right now.

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » August 8, 2002, 11:38 am

I never said it was a big accomplishment I was just responding to the post that the Big 10 didnt win any bowl games last year.

. I live in Big 10 country and love the fact that they suck.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » August 8, 2002, 11:55 am

Bubba, teams like FSU, who play in such weak conferences that they are basically guaranteed a championship every year will not support a playoff. What is the point of being a favorite of the voters if you still have to win?

Also, the Big 10, as a whole, hates the idea. They all still live in the past, and dream of those guaranteed Rose Bowl bids.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » August 8, 2002, 12:02 pm

i think the real opposition to a playoff is from the conferences like the SEC and Big 12 who can field 5+ bowl teams. They lose out on the shared revenue if those bowls don't exist.

I dont think schools like Miami or FSU care about a playoff or otherwise. Because they play in weak conferences, one loss for them pretty much means they have no chance at the national championship. Perfect example is Oklahoma 2 years ago beating FSU. Well FSU lost to Miami, and Miami lost to Washington. I think Miami beats that OU team personally, but they lost to Washington so they were out. But that clusterfuck at the top was just stupid.

how incredible would College Football Playoffs be? Real incredible. and fuck the stupid bowls, get the Weedwhacker Bowl out of here.

Take the top 8 teams, and let them battle it out.

that is 7 high quality postseason games right there. in the current system we are lucky if we get 3 high quality games.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » August 8, 2002, 12:15 pm

Wrong Voro.

Every SEC coach, with the exception of the former guy from Bama, has said how much they would love a playoff. If you look at the SEC every year, most of our losses come in-conference. This is true for even the shitty teams.

Stupid chart didn't work, but here's a link

The real joy of a play-off is that we wouldn't have to get rid of the second and third tier bowls. They would still exist as a reward for teams that had good seasons, but just weren't good enough for a title shot. Kinda like the NIT in basketball.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » August 8, 2002, 12:30 pm

i'm not really saying the coaches. i'm saying the ADs and conference brass.

i may be wrong, but regardless i don't think the coaches have a big say in the matter.

sure you can still have the crap bowls, doesnt hurt anybody.

Cajen · Post by **Cajen** » August 8, 2002, 12:42 pm

Playoffs would be a nice change. However, I doubt this ever happens because of the tradition found in Bowl Games. People have talked about replacing baseball umpires with high-tech cameras/robots, and other devices. Granted they would make basically no mistakes and the game might run smoother, but you would lose one of the biggest aspects of the game. Umpires are as much a part of baseball as Bowl Games are apart of NCAA Football. I wouldn't mind seeing it, but I seriously doubt it will ever happen.

Also Voro is right in that the schools that typically go to Bowl games would lose OMGIAMRETARDEDCAUSEALOTISTWOWORDS of money from not having them. Even if your school doesnt go to a bowl game, if anybody in your conference goes then you will get a small portion of the money that is given to your conference.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » August 8, 2002, 1:15 pm

A playoff system in Div. 1 football would not mean ending the Rose Bowl, ect.; they would be the locations for the top 4 playoff games, much like they are in the BCS. The second tier bowls (Cotton, Peach, ect.) could host the preliminary rounds in December, leaving the big boys with their coveted New Year's slots.

If you think that implementing a playoff would decrease revenues and the associated pay-outs to the schools, you are mistaken. The NCAA hoops tournament makes fucking SICK amounts of money, and the schools see a lot of it.

Voro, talk to any SEC AD, and once you get past the mandatory pablum about "the fine tradition that bowl games represent," you will find a supporter of a playoff system. In every proposed system for picking either 8 or 16 teams, the SEC would send between 2-4 teams every year, with even more getting lesser bowl bids. They know there is money to be made, and they know that the entire conference would benefit.

Mezzmor · Post by **Mezzmor** » August 8, 2002, 1:33 pm

Schools like FSU would love a playoff system. You could make this real fair in reality...go back to ranking only the top 20 schools.

1st round rankings #13 vs # 20
14 vs 19
15 vs 18
16 vs 17

2nd round

1 vs winner 13/20
2 vs winner 14/19
3 vs winner 15/18
4 vs winner 16/17
5 vs 12
6 vs 11
7 vs 10
8 vs 9

and so on, you basically get 5 weeks of college football playoffs, which is very doable, by cutting the season down to 10 games and a conference championship (if thats even necessary). That still allows for 2 to 3 weeks of byes if you figure 13 weeks in Sept, Oct, Nov. You would have 21 total playoff games, which is probably pretty close to the number of bowl games we have every year. Play them all in neutral sites so UF can't cry about something else thats against them...(taking for granted they ever field a top 20 team again) play them in high capacity stadiums...hell just the TV revenues would be sick, probably a hell of a lot better than the flashinthepan.com bowls are getting now.

College football fans will travel damn near anywhere to see a football game. I drove to Tempe to watch the Noles lose to Tennessee.

The BCS sucks. Hopefully, with the way the schedules are, there will be about a dozen teams with 1 loss records and the BCS will fall apart.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » August 8, 2002, 2:06 pm

well i hope they figure out a way to do it.

it would be huge

Xyun · Post by **Xyun** » August 8, 2002, 3:22 pm

Hhahahaha. To this day I still laugh when I think about the ass kicking OU put on FSU 2 years ago. I remember everyone, including the stupid announcers wanting FSU to win so that Miami could take the national title by default.

We can't win our way there so lets hope the best team loses. I seriously doubt Miami would've done any better then FSU did against OU that year. But hey, its a moot point.

People have talked about replacing baseball umpires with high-tech cameras/robots, and other devices. Granted they would make basically no mistakes and the game might run smoother, but you would lose one of the biggest aspects of the game.

I completely disagree with comparing this to college playoff system. A playoff system is widely talked about and it is exactly what every fan wants. The reason these subjects are not the same is money.

The bowl system will go away, and it will be soon. Too many people want to see college playoffs. All we need is for the BCS standings to screw up one more time. They know playoffs is what the fans and the players want, but the money grubbing bastards are trying to keep it from happening.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » August 8, 2002, 3:41 pm

miami would have beaten OU like a red headed stepchild.

they were more or less the same players that won last years title, except they also had Santana Moss.

they played one bad half of football in september and that cost them their shot.

they beat FSU, so i dont know how anybody can think FSU deserved to be in that game and Miami didnt.

Xyun · Post by **Xyun** » August 8, 2002, 3:44 pm

This is exactly the reason we need a playoff system. You don't hear anyone arguing that so-and-so didn't deserve the NFL championship in so-and-so year.

Davel · Post by **Davel** » August 8, 2002, 3:46 pm

BCS = shit. It screwed the pac10 and big10 out of one of college footballs most time honored traditions, the rose bowl, and gave the pac10 and big10 some other shit bowl that nobody cares about. IMO, they need to keep all of the bowl games intact, but the bowls should not be used in order to determine which teams are the best in the country.

I definitely think that it would be worth taking some games out of the regular season in order to establish real playoffs in college football. Then those national rankings might actually mean something.

BTW USC is going to pwn Auburn on monday night football sept 2. Tune in to watch the massacre.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » August 8, 2002, 3:53 pm

It screwed the pac10 and big10 out of one of college footballs most time honored traditions, the rose bowl

Keeping gimp conferences out of major bowls is one of the few upsides of the BCS

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