Is it necessary to degrade a woman before sex?

[Dregor Thule]

You have absolutely 0 to worry about, when it comes to turning me on. I can guarantee that you can breath easy about that. I am prepared to put money on this one. You turning me on is about as likely as you winning 5 different state lotteries at the same time without playing any of them. The day you turn me on is the day I cut my own head off with a lemon-juice and salt covered rusty butter knife, drive my headless corpse downtown, and throw myself into the Trinity River. If I ever found myself attracted to you and armless, I would hope that my friends and family would have enough compassion to kill me quickly, rather than leave me to suffer a fate far worse than death: your companionship.

Now that THAT's settled, let's move on.

As I've stated a few times now, using a statement like "any situation" infers that you are not just talking about the situation at hand. If you can't understand that, you need to stop considering yourself God's gift to intellectual thought.

Damn, now there's a small part of me that wants to turn you on.

I think the problem is that your head is like a NERF ball. Once a little bit of pressure is applied to that spongy little ball of yours, everything comes rushing out leaving a dry, desicated mass with complete inabilitiy to harm a fly.

Can you possibly be so... what word to use, naive, ignorant, oblivious... I just don't know! Can you be so silly as to not be able to see the context of the statement? I know they've already tried to nail this on into your skull, but I'll try again. The topic at hand was relationships and degrading/mistreating a woman in one to get the goods. Lalanae's comment of any situation was implying any situation in a relationship. This much is obvious. Blind spider monkeys could have read that and understood the context.

[kyoukan]

What did it for me was learning how to swing dance. I took a bunch of lessons through a local college on friday nights and it gave me a chance to meet people. I got good at the dancing and I gained a lot of confidence and cockiness which helped get the attention of women a lot more. I would then go to swing dances or a swing concert and there were shitloads of women just begging to dance. Even if they didn't know how they still wanted too. I would grab one for a song and if she was cool I would dance with her again. If she wasn't then I would grab one of her friends the next time.

This man knows what he is talking about. Guys that can dance swing are irresistable, and I don't even like dancing that much.

You can still be nice as long as you are confident. Saying that nice doesn't work is a fallacy. Nice by itself won't get you many dates though.

Guys that tend to try and become my friend first generally wind up getting screwed tho because by the time they get the rocks to ask me out on a romantic-type date I already consider them too much of a friend to want to go through with that with them.

When you ask a girl out, confidence is key. She has to know that you know what you want. Humming and hawing is ok for Archie comics but it doesn't really work with many women. When you ask a girl out have a time and place in mind with a backup time and tell her that you want to take her to XX place at XX time. If she says she is doing something then use the second time and if she still says she is busy then she isn't interested. Give her your phone number and put it out of your head forever. If you just say 'hey do you want to go out sometime?' the chances of her saying yes are pretty fucking slim. I mean if you can't even commit to one date right on the spot then what good are you.

[Sargeras]

It worked for the guys who have dated me. I can't stand guys who are even the slightest bit arrogant. I've ALWAYS been attracted to the sweet guys. A guy acts the slightest bit indifferent and he's out the door. Having a sweet guy who worships the ground you walk on makes a relationship incredible, and I've never had a problem finding those guys.

I think its the type of women you guys are hanging around because most of my female friends don't put up with any kind of degradation or horseshit. Stay out of the trailer parks and strip clubs guys.

I've only read the first page so far, but when I read this I had to say that Bakara is one of the luckiet bastards alive.

I've always been the nice guy, and probably always will be. If I wasn't a nice guy, then I wouldn't be me. I have lots of lady friends, but single. So like wtf?! lol

[kyoukan]

You're like this big bear man... with these claws and you're trying to kill the bunny and you don't know how...

Small, horrid paraphrasing of Swingers. I used to be able to quote both lines but its been a while.

You're so money baby and you don't even know it!

[Sirensa]

I've always been the nice guy, and probably always will be. If I wasn't a nice guy, then I wouldn't be me. I have lots of lady friends, but single. So like wtf?! lol

Sargeras. The bag of cookies adds to your appeal of course.

[Shaerra]

You have absolutely 0 to worry about, when it comes to turning me on. I can guarantee that you can breath easy about that. I am prepared to put money on this one. You turning me on is about as likely as you winning 5 different state lotteries at the same time without playing any of them. The day you turn me on is the day I cut my own head off with a lemon-juice and salt covered rusty butter knife, drive my headless corpse downtown, and throw myself into the Trinity River. If I ever found myself attracted to you and armless, I would hope that my friends and family would have enough compassion to kill me quickly, rather than leave me to suffer a fate far worse than death: your companionship.

Now that THAT's settled, let's move on.

As I've stated a few times now, using a statement like "any situation" infers that you are not just talking about the situation at hand. If you can't understand that, you need to stop considering yourself God's gift to intellectual thought.

Damn, now there's a small part of me that wants to turn you on.

I think the problem is that your head is like a NERF ball. Once a little bit of pressure is applied to that spongy little ball of yours, everything comes rushing out leaving a dry, desicated mass with complete inabilitiy to harm a fly.

Can you possibly be so... what word to use, naive, ignorant, oblivious... I just don't know! Can you be so silly as to not be able to see the context of the statement? I know they've already tried to nail this on into your skull, but I'll try again. The topic at hand was relationships and degrading/mistreating a woman in one to get the goods. Lalanae's comment of any situation was implying any situation in a relationship. This much is obvious. Blind spider monkeys could have read that and understood the context.

Your stupidity is dizzying. I don't think I can dumb it down any more than, "using a statement like "any situation" infers that you are not just talking about the situation at hand."

All I can say is you win. I give up. Your lust > Your intelligence. Go get 'er...

[Sargeras]

I've always been the nice guy, and probably always will be. If I wasn't a nice guy, then I wouldn't be me. I have lots of lady friends, but single. So like wtf?! lol

Sargeras. The bag of cookies adds to your appeal of course.

Thx Sirensa! Sylvos is one lucky mofo too .

This post reminds of that scene from Bedazzled when Fraser is on the beach and he's the complete bag of tears with his chick... and for those of you that have seen it, you know what happens.

Ooga nailed it right on the dot imho. I'm a nice guy, I treat ladies with decency and respect, but that doesn't make me a wuss. I lost my last girl because I had lost OMGIAMRETARDEDCAUSEALOTISTWOWORDS of confidence because of family problems and getting layed off. Luckily, I've come a long way from that. My lucky lady is out there somewhere, but I won't be refering to her as slut or bitch when it comes to the heat of the moment.

Shaerra must be an attention whore irl too, and must like it when guys call her slut.

[kyoukan]

[They are everywhere. There must be a factory somwhere cranking them out. Almost every woman I have met has had self esteem issues at one time or another. It's always linked to looks in one way or another. It's a chick thing, so I don't really know or understand the ins and outs of it all.

Try being a woman for awhile and you will see why so many have self-esteem issues pertaining to their looks. Just last week I was standing in line at an ATM machine and the guy behind said to me, "Nice ass but your tits could be bigger," right out of the fucking blue like that. Then he stood there with a smug look on his face as if he was waiting for a response. I mean christ, the stupid jackass wasn't even remotely in my league to begin with and I wouldn't have given him a second look in any situation, and here he was standing there judging me.

This isn't a rare occurance either. I'm confident enough in myself where I can mostly blow it off (even though it totally catches me off guard), but if I was the kind of girl that stressed over having small breasts or being too short or whatever it probably would have shattered me. Even still it was humiliating and made me feel like shit for the rest of the day.

As I said before women are held up to and constantly being compared to a certain image of perfection, and it can become stressful to the point where it's easy to just crack.

[Maddux]

Sometimes Pils, I think of you as overly arrogant. In reading your post about fat girls, you are flat out brutal. So mean in fact I shed a tear for those girls that probably considered you a really nice guy.

Then, I read this post and you seem a Pussy. (Excuse the wording ladies)

I have seen your pictures, you are a fit individual who obviously has a decent job. Great. But that doesnt score you ladies without effort. You have to be confident, funny, honest and you have to take yourself out of "Friend" zone before they try and place you there.

Who cares if a comment about sex seems out of place early. It will establish your position. If you spend all your time talking about news and weather, don't be suprised if in her mind you are forever friend.

Now, I wont claim to be the end all be all when it comes to relationships, Im not. To quote a rather funny comedian who certainly gets his share of "Poon"

"If you say to a girl, ummm, excuse eh, ummmm if you would please, ummm pardon, ummm would you lick my balls? All you are going to end up with is Dry Balls! You have to speak like a man, if you want to be treated like a man."

[Shaerra]

I bet Sargeras likes to torture small animals, and likes it when guys pat him on the ass at sprting events.

"Nice play, champ".

[Sargeras]

I bet Sargeras likes to torture small animals, and likes it when guys pat him on the ass at sprting events.

"Nice play, champ".

lol?

[Shaerra]

"If you say to a girl, ummm, excuse eh, ummmm if you would please, ummm pardon, ummm would you lick my balls? All you are going to end up with is Dry Balls! You have to speak like a man, if you want to be treated like a man."

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Dry balls. Nice!

[Kilmoll the Sexy]

Chris Rock. Bigger and Blacker. Fucking owns you all.

[kyoukan]

What guys considering being a "nice guy", I see as weakness. If you let me walk all over you because you want to get into my panties, I will.

That and a can of paint stripper will get you into anything. Way to wreck another thread, shithead.

Treating a woman like shit isn't a sign of confidence, it's a sign of weakness. Any fucking pussy ass loser can find a woman he can treat like crap and use it to stoke up his pathetic little ego. Wow, how fucking macho.

Go tape your dick back to your thigh and stop swinging it around in this thread.

[Dregor Thule]

What guys considering being a "nice guy", I see as weakness. If you let me walk all over you because you want to get into my panties, I will.

That and a can of paint stripper will get you into anything. Way to wreck another thread, shithead.

Treating a woman like shit isn't a sign of confidence, it's a sign of weakness. Any fucking pussy ass loser can find a woman he can treat like crap and use it to stoke up his pathetic little ego. Wow, how fucking macho.

Go tape your dick back to your thigh and stop swinging it around in this thread.

[noel]

Heh.

Incidentally, I'd post comments if I knew the first thing about what women want. I obviously don't. ><

Save the fucking gay comments for some other thread.

[laneela]

You have it all wrong, Pils...

You've said a number of times "I'm better looking, I have more money, I have better..." That's your problem right there. You sound like you're either trying to compensate for something or are sorely mistaken in thinking that a decent girl is going to give a rat's ass about your furniture. If you're only looking for a quick lay, get a hooker. Your money will work wonders there. If you're looking for a girl you can respect and possibly be in a relationship with, chances are she's looking for honesty. I don't usually fall for guys who pull the "nice guy" routine. I tend to like guys that are themselves and if they happen to be a nice guy then even better... I can't speak for every girl in the world but "niceness" is a very small factor in why I like a guy. I personally prefer a guy who can make me laugh, stimulate me intellectually and is generally a kind person (don't confuse 'kind' with 'nice').

My opinion? Stop trying so hard. It makes you seem desperate and is a complete turnoff to pretty much 95% of the world's population.

[Psyloche]

When the kid said dogs and bees can smell fear he forgot to add women. Not only that but it was stated several times they can smell desperation, but I'd tack that up with fear so it works anyway.

He's the guy behind the guy behind the guy behind the guy.

[Acies]

I really do not have trouble finding female company, much to my chagrin at times. I am not an asshole in any extent of the word with the possible exception of arguements on this board, in fact if anything I am a bit overly genteel when it comes to women, due to my upbringing. I believe that if you treat a woman (or anyone for that matter) like shit, then it is simply a greater reflection of what you are.
If you feel the need to treat a woman like imparticular shit prior to making love then I would say that has less to do with the heart you are breaking, and more to do with getting your own dick hard (in which case, I would recommend either seeking professional help or wind up doing 30 minute shows for old men who are turned on with the S&M theme).
I have noticed this bad boy syndrome among some women, but honestly none that would be worth more than the most cursory of glances from me. Who wants an ultimately weak partner?
That being said, the confidence trait works both ways, and I contend it is not merely a male feature to attraction. Can any male here deny that a confident women is a wonderful, boogling thing, yet an over-confident women (that is, your pardon ladies, a bitch) can be a huge turn off?

Thoughts?

[Brittney]

This thread should have ended after Kyoukan's and Phil's first posts because they basically sum it all up. I couldn't have put it better then they did. I talk a lot of smack about the ho's and what not, but my true friends know what I'm really like and know that I in fact I completely respect women. So why do lots of nice guys not get girls and why do nice girls end up with asshole guys? Confidence, Plane and simple. Lots of really nice guys and girls are so scared of being alone that they will get with someone because they mistake an assholes facade of confidence for true confidence and end up with someone who doesn't treat them right at all. I admit that this is an over simplification of how relationships go because there are lots of things that factor into a failed relationship or a destructive one but for the most part I believe this to be true. The fact is there are lots of asshole guys out there that feed off women's low self esteem and they know just where to look for these girls. They can see these girls a mile away and quite often they find them in an already miserable relationships such as failing marriages and alike situations or they look for girls whom have been abused in some sort of way. This just creates a vicious circle of asshole guys getting with girls who are nice but have such low confidence they cant see the truth and it leads to people always saying "why do girls dig asshole guys?". And on the same note there are lots of crazy chicks out there that will bleed a man dry in the same manner. Weakness and fear attract each other and when they get together it is never a happy ending. Some people will take these failures and learn from them and become stronger people in the end and others will just become bitter and never truly be happy. Then again I'm still young and I don't claim to have all the answers I just call it how I see it. And one thing is for sure.... guys that seek out girls whom they know to be weak or have low self-esteem just so they can get some action are the lowest fuckers on earth.

[masteen]

Paragraphs, man, paragraphs!

[Hayley]

I would boot my foot so far up his ass that I could paint my toenails by sticking the brush in his ear

Holy shit! I love this one!!

Sorry to derail! I just wanted to point this priceless gem out!

CARRY ON!!

[Forthe]

1. As has been said before, it is all about confidence.
2. You seem to be disappointed in this one girl. That is a problem. Put yourself in situations where you will meet new\more girls. Fixating on one unresponsive girl will only add to your anxiety and make you seem less confident. If a girl doesn't respond to you then forget about her. There really are OMGIAMRETARDEDCAUSEALOTISTWOWORDS more out there.
3. Don't go out full cocked. If you are hard up your own body is going to make it harder to play it cool, especially if it has been a while.
4. Stop whining and suck it up before I bitch slap you.

[Coatlicue [KoE]]

when I read Lala's post, I took in context and knew what she was saying...

Anyway, it's basically what Kyu, Lala, Ravvi, Siren was all saying... it's about confidence and about how you present yourself... For a long time, I was attracted to the assholes. Why? Because I had a huge self-esteem problem and was afraid of being alone.

That basically sums it up. I'm not white trash (or asian trash for that matter ), I'm not a stripper, I'm not dumb... I just had a problem for a while that took me a long time to fix. I'll be the first one to admit that I have been attracted to assholes. They had a certain "confidence" about themselves that I was drawn to, because I didn't have confidence about myself to find someone better in my life. It goes the same way, with men and women. The girls who stick with the assholes, don't think they can do any better, or don't think they deserve any better.

I'm with one of the nicest men I've ever met, and we're getting married this June... He "scored" with me, because he was nice, because he had a confidence in the way he talked, the way he carried himself, he was funny, AND he didn't insult my intelligence the way most people might do because I have a decent face to look at. Just because to him I have a pretty face, he didn't think of me as any less intelligent than the "smart" girl with the glasses and pimples sitting in the cube next to me.

For the longest time, though I was thin, had a lot of guys asking me out, used to model, I felt that I didn't deserve something more meaningful in my life. Could be my upbringing, could be something else, I don't know... I only blame myself because I didn't have the confidence to see myself as something worthy of good in her life. Those girls (or men) that take the beating, the insults, the demeaning comments... they need to work on themselves and how they feel about their own life. Being insulting, an asshole, whatever... just cause some people take it, shouldn't give anyone a reason to be that way because they know they can take advantage of another person's weakness.

Hell, sorry for rambling, I've probably said this all wrong. Pils, the only advice I can give to you, is what some others have said.. Find a new circle of friends... Act confident, mature, and be yourself. Eventually you'll find the right person, and ultimately, you'll get laid

[Jice Virago]

Excellent thread, probably the best read in weeks.

Treating a woman like shit will get you laid and it might even get you married, but you will never be in love or happy with things. True relationships are based on mutual love trust and respect. How can you have any of those when one person is abusing the other?

Drop all the fake shit your doing and just be yourself. Just be social and make yourself known, which is possible without being a cock. The point at which you stop trying so damn hard and don't give a shit is probably when you will hook up with someone you click with. Finding someone is 90% luck, but if you aren't out there making friends and being yourself in the first place, your giving yourself no chance. Also, in my experience, the women who are truely worth being with generally can smell bullshit a mile away. So while you might snag some emotional basket cases with some fake ass act, the real gems without the ten ton trailorrig of emotional baggage are gonna walk right by you.

Bottom line, don't try so hard and no one deserves to be abused.

[Lynxe]

I'm with Forthe 100%. I've met women:
- who don't believe in premarital sex
- go downtown on a mission to get laid 3 times a week
- don't like men at all, they want women!
- don't want men or women, they belong to "god"

What to do!?
1. Don't try to understand women (or men), it is too frustrating and confusing.
2. Stop looking. Ever notice how people get "hit on" more when they are already seeing someone?
3. Men/women are attracted to confidence (not arrogance which is different) and turned off by desperation. Assume your going to be alone and deal with it. When you learn to be happy with that, confindence will show in the way you look, walk and interact with others. THAT is attractive.
4. If your a nice guy or a complete jackass - be it. Don't change who you are because any relationship you DO get in will be built on a lie.
5. Re-evaluate your friends and the type of women that hang around them. Confused one say "He who spends his time in strip joint, should not wonder why all women he meets are strippers and all his friends bouncers or bartenders."

[Winnow]

1. Don't try to understand women (or men), it is too frustrating and confusing.

Lynxe rocks! We need more Lynxes!

[Axien_Dellusions]

Why does it sound like I got the best of both worlds? My husband can be an asshole at times (but not to me and it turns me on) and then he is sweet to myself and our daughter.

And I do agree with the saying (which was brought up here) you find someone special when your not looking at all. My husband and I knew each other for 4 years before anything happened between us and I was in a serious relationship. Actually he talked me out of it because he saw what I didn't in my ex.

Pils, your a sweetie you'll find someone that will love every bit of your doughy goodness. Just keep waiting.

[Pilsburry]

One thing I notice is several of you speaking about being a nice guy doesn't work, and then soon after it comes to the getting laid part.
Well DUH! Do you think women are just stupid. If you "being a nice guy" to get laid then you deserve not getting it.

I don't play the nice guy angle to get laid. I am a nice, easy going, fun loving guy....that's just the way I am.

I mention getting laid because well....it would be nice to see *some* action once in a while. I won't be a nice guy until I get her in the bedroom and then jump all over her.....that's not the plan. The plan is to be myself, a nice guy, date her for a while and eventually if things work out...get laid.

Right now I'm working on finding a date...that's all I'm looking for ATM. I mean wait that sounds wrong, I don't mean I'm making a point to meet a woman....I mean if I meet a woman and I like her...my goal isn't sex, it's a date. If I like her we date again...sex will come eventually.

As for the guy who near the beginning said to put that girl out of my mind, the one who was "thinking about it" is already out of my mind, the girl who hugged me is almost out, and the girl before the "thinking about it" is out as well....actually all 3 have atleast hugged me. Some of them would call me and ask to go places with me...just places like computer stores or tanning bed or bars...one bought me a gift, another ran her fingers through my hair. But yes I agree...they wanted me to like them to boost thier self-esteem..but they don't want a relationship, they are just playing with me...

[Pilsburry]

Well, they DO live in the same area. They both have played enchanters and seen high end content. Ravvenn drinks like a fish. Pils drinks like a girl. Ravv has a nice ass and Pils likes nice asses. Seems like a match made on-line.

Hehe, gimme a break you only saw me drink once, I was too tired to drink most of the nights.

The one night you saw me drink you saw what happened....I know you thought I was sexy in that uniform...haha.

[Pilsburry]

any of your friends Pils been on Jerry Springer yet? Sounds like a perfect community for casting crew to visit.

Yes, heh. A different group of friends tho. I'm not a loser I swear....

Keep in mind I live in Cincinatti....Jerry Springer was mayor here...until what was it? He wrote a check for a prostitute? Something like that.

[Pilsburry]

Very similar to what Pils was saying - summarized "my friends treat girls like shit and get laid and the girls go for it so it must be ok!"

I wasn't saying it's OK. I said I refuse to change the way I act, I won't be the asshole just to meet a girl because as someone else stated....that's not the kind of girl I want.

I was just curious where that leaves me...if I refuse to conform to meet a woman...my chances are going to be lower.

As for the statement stay out of trailer parks and strip clubs....I have never met a girl at a strip club with the idea of a romance (although I won't say I didn't think abot having sex with them, I know I wouldn't bother trying)...as for trailers, I don't know anyone who lives in a trailer.

My problem is all my friends are younger, and on top of that...less educated, as in they *should* be in college but if they even are enrolled, they skip most of thier classes.....they will never graduate. I'm stuck though....I work from home....this is one out of two groups of friends I had to choose from when I moved back in town, the other group treat women nicer....but they are DND geeks who are 30 years old and still live in thier parents basements....they don't go to bars, they don't go skiing, rock climbing, go to the park etc....I don't have anything in common with that group anymore.

So my selection of friends is limited, which makes my selection of women in that circle of friends limited, which leaves me in a bad spot. Thursday night I had a party...I'm almost 29...there were 3 girls here...4 guys...small party, we were supossed to go to gameworks but they were closing so we came back to my place. Here is my selection....2 were in relationships, one was not. All three were cheerleaders in High School...your going to say "what does that really mean?" I mean all 3 were cheerleaders in High School....last year....as in I have 10 years on them. Obviously as a 29 yr old college graduate who is VP of a software company, owns my own home etc....I'm at a different maturity level.

My pool of which to choose from is limited. I need to figure out how to get from one pond to another pond, but I'm not sure how to crawl across the land for 3 miles to get to the next pond that suits my needs better....or hope somehow someone drops some more fish in this one.

[Pilsburry]

Sometimes Pils, I think of you as overly arrogant. In reading your post about fat girls, you are flat out brutal. So mean in fact I shed a tear for those girls that probably considered you a really nice guy.

I took a girl out who was new to town who need a ride home from work and wanted to get out and see the town.

She was engaged, she is an alcoholic, he has 2 kids doesn't know where they are, and she is incredibly overweght.

I took her out to show her around anyway.

She kept coming on to me...I tried to be nice. I was nice all night until the end when she wouldn't tell me where her and her fiancee lived so I could drop her off...but she wanted to spend the night with me...

Then she gave me attitude because I wouldn't kiss her on her lips in front of thier apartment.

Yes I'm going to be brutal on a web forum she doesn't read...she really put me in a really shitty spot and I was pretty pissed off about it. I feel I had the right to be pissed off....at any point in the night did I come on to her? No. Was there even a question in my mind of was it a date or not? NO SHE HAD A RING, she asked for a ride home and a couple beers.

If I was any nicer I would have gone up the steps to her place knocked on her door and told that dude I don't know that his woman is trying to sleep around on him.....that shit is intolerable in my book. If your going to sleep around, break off with your fiancee before you do it.

When I wrote that post I was really pissed off...for multiple reasons. And I vented here.

[Lynxe]

Pils: Clearly you need to move to newfieland
*tease*

[Pilsburry]

What guys considering being a "nice guy", I see as weakness. If you let me walk all over you because you want to get into my panties, I will.

Treating a woman like shit isn't a sign of confidence, it's a sign of weakness. Any fucking pussy ass loser can find a woman he can treat like crap and use it to stoke up his pathetic little ego. Wow, how fucking macho.

I agree with Kyoukan.

Men treat women like shit because it improves thier own self-confidence...in essence it's the reverse of what you think Shaerra.

I'm willing to act nice and stuff to girls because I don't care much about the comments someone will make later. I don't have to act all tough and macho to impress the other guys.

I'm not saying I'm dripping with self-confidence, I am shy when it comes to asking a woman out. But the truth is those other guys....that "self-confidence" is a facade...it's not real.

A real self-confident man would go up and ask a girl out without treating her like shit, and without being shy. That's he isn't really part of the other 2 categories, shy-nice, cocky-asshole are 2 categories....self-confident is a third.

If someone is self-confident they don't need to put someone down to make themselves look better. And they won't be overly nice to make you like them either. They are just there....

You can't even make a line scale....like this...

Nice.....confident.....asshole
or
Nice....ashole...confident

It would have to be a circle. Like this...



Although it's hard to describe the people between the shy/nice and asshole/cocky dots...we can call them head-cases...or drama queens. But both the cocky and shy people are both working towards the same goal, you don't have to move through cocky-land to become self-confident.

[Pilsburry]

Oh yeah sorry about all the posts in a row, but I wanted to respond to each persons comments individually as many posts were directed towards me over the last 24 hours or so since I started the thread. Usually I would just draw lines and make one huge post but I didn't think I could keep all my comments straight in my head at the end....there was a lot to say.

Lynxe, Teurde, Forthe, Rianna, etc....can you give me a PM/E-mail with the name of the closest town, and closest airport, and we can see if I can afford a weekend trip this summer. Like come up thursday night, hang fri/sat and leave sunday morning. I'd want to keep it low budget....the frequent moves etc drained me last year.....I wish I would have kept track of vegas....but after I left EQ I kinda lost track of it and then I didn't have time to book it when I realized the date.

[Arborealus]

Drinking with Newfs on their own turf sounds...errrrmmm potentially lethal...

[Pilsburry]

It took me a long time, but I know my limits now.....

I'd just have to listen to them chant "Pils is a pussy" or "americans can't drink"...and be self-confident enough not to give a shit.

And unless a girl I liked was there and asking me to drink more....I wouldn't even think twice. If a hot girl I liked joined in the chants, I'd be more likely to push my limits to the edge.

I'm not a party animal, but I'm sure I wouldn't be an embarassment to the newfie drinking community. I had 11 beers on thursday between midnight and 4am (est) before I made the original post on this thread....I was buzzed, and borderline drunk, but as you can tell...not that sloppy.

I usually call it quits at like 13 on a good night....I can do 15 some nights, but its risky....more then 15 and I'm fliriting with disaster. I won't make an ass of myself, but if I go try to sleep I'll end up with my head over the toilet more often then not.

My record was 1 bottle of champagne (possibly more, we opened 4 bottles, there were 4 people, 2 were girls so I bet i carried some of thier weight, it was at the beginning of the night), 21 kamakazi's (2 at home, 19 at the bar), 1-2 beers, some brandy someone told me to drink warm so I put it in the microwave lol....and I think some other shit...it's hard to remember. I didn't end up in the hospital or need assistance in any form, but I did get pretty sick. I weighed 140lbs at the time, not a big guy. I did manage to walk home from the bar....it was like 1 mile. I made it home, upstairs and I'm not sure if I went in my bed to sleep or went straight to the bathroom....because that part is REALLY blurry.

Now I just drink to have fun, it's not a competition....if I get buzzed I slow way down. No point in getting sloppy, been there a few times already, it's overratted.

I'm competitive somewhat, that's why I can't play MMORPG's anymore....because I couldn't win, so I had to devote my life to being ahead of the curve. And it's also why in college I always had to drink more and faster then the other guys....

I've outgrown that as I became more self-confident.

[Mplor]

"Is it necessary for Pilsbury to degrade himself in order to get laid?"

[Lynxe]

"I had 11 beers on thursday "

Pils... thats not even a half case here! Just more liquid you have to pee

[Jugata]

Pils, I suggest not getting into a cock measuring contest on the alcohol front lest we send Rianna your way WITHOUT pants.

[Winnow]

Pils, I suggest not getting into a cock measuring contest on the alcohol front lest we send Rianna your way WITHOUT pants.

I'll take Rianna and even spot Pilsburry a pint of Everclear or 151 proof rum.

[Pilsburry]

I didn't say I'd win.....I said I wouldn't be an embarassment.

Last night I'm not sure how much I had, 2 beers, a kamakazi, and then a lot of jack and coke....maybe 12-15 shots of jack total.

I was pretty fucked up. I did make a slight ass out of myself heh. Just like when my friend made my jack and coke and I figured out that was just all coke. I took the coke and poured it out, found my jack (my friends hid it in my guest bedroom) poured a big glass of jack and said to him "I think this tastes funny, you drink it...I'm gonna make another one"....Like he couldn't tell it was straight jack...it was a clear glass...I'm not sure what happened but somehow I ended up wearing that drink.

Everyone thought I was going to blow chunks....around 5 or 6am I did too when I tried to go to bed and the room was spinning...but I made it puke-free. Even when that one dude came downstairs wearing a peanutt butter mask, and I must say, that looked pretty gross. Why you would cover your entire face with peanutt butter, I dunno..I bet it was a bitch to wash off. Stupid kids.

[kyoukan]

Well I don't know what is the matter then. I mean what woman can resist a drunkard.

[Drolgin Steingrinder]

I will never, ever, understand women.

And who would want to?

It is the mystery that lingers, to paraphrase Milton.

Oh, and I'm a nice guy too - bordering on shy-nice. I don't seem to have a problem meeting women, but things might be different here in TEH COLD NORTH OF EUROEP.

[Pilsburry]

I usually don't drink that much Kyoukan....

When I was in Tampa like a week ago on vacation I hung out with my best friend from college 2 nights in the club district...I had 2 beers each night. Whoopededo.

Also last night when I was drinking and I got really drunk....there weren't any girls around really to speak of, just 2 and they are like my best friends, not girls I'm going to ask out......and they just thought it was funny as hell to see me drunk, because I normally don't lose control.

And I got that drunk because we were playing drinking games and I was losing badly....drinking games they wanted to play. And I suspect they singled me out during the game to make me drunk, well at the start.....it was the guys who wanted me to stop drinking. And a few of my drinks were taken to be nice to the girls present....like when we played devastation uno...I had a draw 4 I could have played but I picked up 13 cards to avoid playing it on one of the girls...which meant instead of her drinking 4 I had to drink 13...and also since it was the end of the game pretty much, I had to drink the number of cards in my hand when the first person went out....so I had to drink 26 for that stunt. She knew what I was doing, I don't think she will hold it against me. Not that it matters because like I said....she's a friend not a girl I'm really interested in. Although she is cute and single.

BTW that game I got from this forum....but we changed it a little I think the short blurb just said whenever someone picks up a card they drink a sip......we added the winners of each round can make a rule, and when the round is over you drink the number of cards in your hand.

Rules we see evolving are things like the traditional "thumb rule" "little man" "in my pants" "double tap" and "aarrgghh"....but also new rules like whenever the color changes it's a social or whenever you play a skip card you can tell the person you skipped to drink up to 5 sips.

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For people not familar with our traditional rules...

Thumb rule is where the person who made thier rule can put thier tumb on the table last person to do it drinks.

Little man is wher eyou remove a little invisible man off the tp of your bottle before you drink and then put him back when done. If you forget you drink.

In my pants is wher eyou say "in my pants" after everything you say. If you forget you drink.

Double tap is where you tap the bottle on the table 2x before you drink. if you forget you drink..

Aarrgghh is where you have to say "Aarrrgghh!" like a pirate after everything you say. Or you drink.

These are made up by the winners, so probably you won't see in my pants and aarrgghh in effect at the same time.

It's actually a fun game.

[Lalanae]

dude you run your mouth too much on top of everything else

[noel]

dude you run your mouth too much on top of everything else

LOL. Priceless.

[devereaux]

dude you run your mouth too much on top of everything else

LOL. Priceless.

Priceless. LOL.

[Canelek]

I am a nice guy (*believe it or not*). I can't be who I aint just to impress a woman. Any woman that is interested in me is usually interested due to my personality(strange as it may well be). I dig that, it means she took the effort to find out what I am all about first.

Point is, DON'T BE AN ASSHOLE!!! I tell ya, the women that fall for that bullshit are dumber than rocks. A real woman will see you for what you have to offer as the whole package, not some machismo bullshit. Chill out bud, you aint the only lonely person out there.

Sure it is not easy, it isnt supposed to be and never will be. Don't give in, don't give up! Just fucking relax and have fun wherever you are. Women that know what is up will be drawn to a man that isnt some lameass fratboy dancing thing, etc.. I mean really...