North Koreans and U.S. Plan Talks in Beijing Next Week

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North Koreans and U.S. Plan Talks in Beijing Next Week

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Hopefully we can finally get this issue w/ N. Korea settled. Looks like we gave a little and they gave OMGIAMRETARDEDCAUSEALOTISTWOWORDS just to have these talks happen.

Not suprisingly, this comes right after we kicked the crap out of Saddam and showed that we're serious and have some resolve- something I'm sure N. Korea did not expect after having dealt with Clinton.

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WASHINGTON, April 15 — President Bush has approved a plan for the United States to begin negotiations with North Korea in Beijing next week, the first talks between the countries since the government of Kim Jong Il threw out international inspectors and restarted its main nuclear weapons plant, United States and Asian officials said today.

White House officials refused to comment on the negotiations. But officials in several countries said China has promised the United States that it will act as a full participant in the talks rather than just convening them. The Chinese had hoped to conduct the initial meetings in secret, officials said.

The agreement to enter the negotiations with both China and the United States marks a major concession for North Korea and an apparent victory for President Bush. Mr. Bush's strategy of not engaging in one-on-one talks with North Korea had been widely criticized by Asian allies and by many Korea experts.

North Korea, in turn, had insisted on talking only with Washington, a reflection, experts said, of its obsession with being treated as an equal.

Mr. Bush refused, insisting that the North Korean nuclear program was a major problem for all of northeast Asia. He argued that if the United States negotiated alone, North Korea would try to split Washington from its Asian allies, who would pressure the United States to strike a deal on North Korea's terms.

But by keeping the Japanese, the South Koreans and the Russians out of the room next week, the North can make the argument that only one other nation — one that has served as the North's economic lifeline — is involved.

"This is what the traffic would bear," a senior American official familiar with the secret negotiations with the North said tonight.

The official described the participation of the Chinese as a breakthrough. "What's new here is that there is an active, bold participatory role for the Chinese," the official said. China's agreement to take on such a role began to take shape in the last days of former President Jiang Zemin's government. His successor, Hu Jintao, has continued Mr. Jiang's approach after becoming president last month.

China briefly cut off North Korea's oil last month, after what the Chinese called a technical problem. But the move was interpreted by American officials as a warning to the North about the price of intransigence.

The senior American official said tonight that the United States "reserved the right" to bring in other nations as the talks progressed. Japanese and South Korean officials, while initially unhappy at being excluded, said tonight they were promised by the administration that they would be updated daily on the talks and would help forge negotiating positions.

The negotiating position that the United States and its allies take will be an early test of America's strained relations with South Korea, whose new president, Roh Moo Hyun, has vowed to accelerate a policy of trade and engagement with the North. Mr. Roh visits the United States for the first time next month.

The American envoy conducting the talks next week will be James A. Kelly, the assistant secretary of state for Asia. Mr. Kelly visited the North's capital, Pyongyang, last October and told North Korea that United States intelligence agencies had caught the country building a clandestine uranium-production facility.

To Mr. Kelly's surprise, the North Koreans said they broke out of their nuclear "freeze" because the United States had threatened the country when Mr. Bush cited North Korea as part of the "axis of evil." But the North's effort to secretly import uranium-enriching technology, intelligence officials say, began when Mr. Bush was governor of Texas.

In the six months since the United States and North Korea last met, the North Koreans ejected inspectors, withdrew from the nuclear nonproliferation treaty and restarted the plutonium reprocessing facility that was frozen under a 1994 agreement with the United States.
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Although I am definantly not for any military action against N Korea, I was still taken aback by their 180 just 2 days after Baghdad fell. I have no doubt that they would use nukes if we attacked, afterall, if your homeland is being invaded, what better time to use them? So them all of a sudden wanting talks kind of shocked me, I think we all know America won't invade them.
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Krimson Klaw wrote:Although I am definantly not for any military action against N Korea, I was still taken aback by their 180 just 2 days after Baghdad fell. I have no doubt that they would use nukes if we attacked, afterall, if your homeland is being invaded, what better time to use them? So them all of a sudden wanting talks kind of shocked me, I think we all know America won't invade them.
Their actions are deliberately as chaotic as you see.
It is a tactic to keep your opponent off balance. It also plays well into the profiling of North Korea's desires in retrospect to Washington. The do wish to be equal, who would not be? I believe these talks (which will go over very well, mark me) are exactly what North Korea and Kim Jong Il desired from the get-go.
I think that, despite his apparent lunacy, Kim Jong Il is a brilliant man who is playing into our pride (bloated after Iraq, of course) and what we would expect of a smaller nation like his to do in response to such a victory, which of course is laughable considering the Iraq was pathetic from a military standpoint.
My belief is that they will get consessions and give them in turn, become our new allies and capitalize on that themselves to get us to turn the other cheek when they do something else versus another nation.
Just a theory.
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Hmmm 6 months after we said they are 6 months from being able to have completed nuclear weapons they are ready to talk... lets see, buy a few more months and assure yourself of NEVER being attacked because you are now a nuclear warhead nation! Gratz dumbasses in washington for ignoring a true threat!
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I think that, despite his apparent lunacy, Kim Jong Il is a brilliant man who is playing into our pride (bloated after Iraq, of course) and what we would expect of a smaller nation like his to do in response to such a victory, which of course is laughable considering the Iraq was pathetic from a military standpoint.
I dont think brilliant is a term I have ever seen used to describe this man.

Honestly, in the world of diplomacy, North Korea had literally nothing left to play but the threat card. That is what makes this so dangerous for so many countries in that area. However, North Korea has now changed their stance, primarily because of the perception that in the current state of things, there is no clear path of how the threat card will be perceived. Coming back to the table and negotiating was what they wanted in the first place but they never wanted to be seen as a supplicant but as equals, which they probably never will be treated as no matter how much rhetoric from both sides is used.
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Adelrune Argenti wrote:I dont think brilliant is a term I have ever seen used to describe this man.
I also think Hitler was brilliant, as a military tactician.
However, brilliance does not equate=good or great.
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I have to agree with Acies. I believe Bush as the international lightweighter he is underestimated how devious the NK leader is.
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Please.. NK is not a threat to anyone outside of South Korea. I wonder how long it would take for China to have a new territory if N.Korea was viewed as a true threat to anything but S.Korea.
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As I said the last time this board started screaming about NK....

As soon as the U.S. no longer appears distracted by Iraq, NK will lobby for what increased aid it can get and shut up.
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Please.. NK is not a threat to anyone outside of South Korea
Except Japan.
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And if you beleive our military experts, the west coast of the united states by now :)
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Hitler was good as a political tactician, but was erratic as a military tactician.
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VariaVespasa wrote:Hitler was good as a political tactician, but was erratic as a military tactician.
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I dunno, Blitz-Krieg was pretty damn effective.
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blitzing wasn't really hitler's idea although he supported it.

pretty much all of hitler's schemes militarily were disasterous.
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kyoukan wrote:blitzing wasn't really hitler's idea although he supported it.

pretty much all of hitler's schemes militarily were disasterous.
I will look more into that then.
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ooh! it's supposed to be cloudy next week! Let's move a Panzer division in it since ze allies will not see our tanks!

bah, it's just snow. It snows here just like in Russia!
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