What am I doing wrong !

Kaluian_CT · Post by **Kaluian_CT** » March 17, 2003, 8:43 pm

I have a 160 lb Great Dane named Max. I love the dog to death, he is the sweetest dog I have ever owned, yet his consistant barrage of VX nerve agent that spews from his ass has got me on the verge of getting rid of him.

I buy him Science Diet,..about the most expensive dog food there is. Is there anything else I can do to prevent this?

Vetiria · Post by **Vetiria** » March 17, 2003, 8:46 pm

try changing food. dogs are just like humans in some instances, they have different reactions to different foods. Also, do you give him table scraps?

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » March 17, 2003, 8:48 pm

just because its the most expensive doesn't mean your dog won't get gas from it. change his diet. he probably has bloat which a doggie can get by eating too much dry food and drinking a lot of water after. if you can't afford a vet to get a recommendation then look on the internet.

http://www.woodhavenlabs.com/bloat.html

Kaluian_CT · Post by **Kaluian_CT** » March 17, 2003, 8:49 pm

No,..I have to put him in his crate when I eat. At 110 lbs he will do as he pleases with my dinner.

Any recommendations on a good dog food?

Spangaloid_PE · Post by **Spangaloid_PE** » March 17, 2003, 8:54 pm

purina 1 dog chow

Kaluian_CT · Post by **Kaluian_CT** » March 17, 2003, 8:54 pm

I just had his stomach tacked,...and when I asked the vet about the problem he said add moist food to his diet. I have tried it, but the last couple days have been worse.

I'll try that link and start guessing I suppose, Thanks

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » March 17, 2003, 8:59 pm

http://www.iams.com/splash/iams_splash_page.jhtml

that is all the dog food you will ever need.

if your vet actually stapled a dog's stomach then you need to get a new vet and not a fucking quack. the point of stapling a stomach is to make a person or an animal feel full after eating less. big dogs don't fucking care if they are full or not they will keep eating until they throw up and then eat more.

also, send him to obedience school if he is eating off your plate. it doesn't cost that much, and you will get a much cooler dog afterwards.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » March 17, 2003, 9:03 pm

kyoukan type-R wrote:http://www.iams.com/splash/iams_splash_page.jhtml

that is all the dog food you will ever need.

if your vet actually stapled a dog's stomach then you need to get a new vet and not a fucking quack. the point of stapling a stomach is to make a person or an animal feel full after eating less. big dogs don't fucking care if they are full or not they will keep eating until they throw up and then eat more.

also, send him to obedience school if he is eating off your plate. it doesn't cost that much, and you will get a much cooler dog afterwards.

You sure know a lot about dogs : )

Spangaloid_PE · Post by **Spangaloid_PE** » March 17, 2003, 9:06 pm

to get your dog to sit, have the back of your hand facing the ground...when you tell him or her to sit raise your hand keeping the back of your hand facing the ground.

to get him or her to lay down...turn your hand over (palm facing the ground) and tell him or her to lay down while bringing your hand towards the ground.

after each succesful attempt you can give him or her a dog treat but this can get rather expensive so buy a toy or take a toy that he or she loves and only let him or her play with it after he or she listens. tennis balls work well, it appears your dog might have more enjoyment with a bowling ball or a tire however

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » March 17, 2003, 9:07 pm

Winnow wrote:You sure know a lot about dogs : )

I own a dog. What is your point?

Millie · Post by **Millie** » March 17, 2003, 9:09 pm

Why did your vet think that stapling a dog's stomach would cure his gas problems? Gas is a product of slow or incomplete digestion of carbohydrates in the intestines. It has little, if anything, to do with the stomach.

If your vet thought that curbing your dog's appetite would reduce his gas, see what Kyoukan wrote. Dogs don't have the mechanism in their brains that tells them when they're 'full.' Given half the chance, a large dog would eat and eat until he vomited, then continue to eat until he died.

Post by **Xouqoa** » March 17, 2003, 9:13 pm

My cat farted once. It was really rank.

IAMS is the stuff, you can buy it in most stores and that's what we've always fed our pets.

Sirensa · Post by **Sirensa** » March 17, 2003, 9:24 pm

From the makers of Beano...

http://www.prelief.com/curtail/curtailhome1.htm

Can also try a more easily soluable (digestable) dog food.

Kaelina · Post by **Kaelina** » March 17, 2003, 11:10 pm

I feed Eukanuba (large breed) to our 130lb. English Mastiff -- never have had a problem with it. I think gas is a common problem with all large dogs, it was REALLY bad with the Rottie we used to have.

Sheryl · Post by **Sheryl** » March 17, 2003, 11:18 pm

The Pit Bull I used to have could kill a buzzard at 100 yards it was so foul.

Switching foods until you find something that agrees with your pup will give you -some- relief, but I think Lina is right about big dogs, you probably won't be able to completely eliminate the problem.

Pilsburry · Post by **Pilsburry** » March 17, 2003, 11:53 pm

My cat "snipes" farts sometimes, I switched foods but she still does it. She only farts like 2x a day but it's pretty bad considering she is so small.

Ninan · Post by **Ninan** » March 18, 2003, 12:30 am

Kooky is right about Iams. Best of the best for dogs.

VariaVespasa · Post by **VariaVespasa** » March 18, 2003, 8:30 am

Kyoukan sounds like my sister- she has a couple of Labs. They've both been obedience schooled and mostly do pretty well as a result. You cant leave food out at dog level too long unattended or the younger one may just mentally snap and inhale it, but they wont try it while youre nearby. Its still dangerous going over there if youre unprepared and under 7 feet tall mind you- you'll get dog slobber on your face and your knees tail-whipped if you do, and probably have your feet trodden on into the bargain.

Theyre sort of a vaguely obedient clutzy uproar when new people arrive.

*Hugs*
Varia

retiredwikit · Post by **retiredwikit** » March 18, 2003, 10:16 am

My moms dogs aren't that big, but one of them has the worst breathe ever whenever we first got her. My mom started brushing her teeth, then she went out and bought some doggy biscuits "breath busters". These in combination with the teeth brushing seems to help a lot.

Ravvenn · Post by **Ravvenn** » March 18, 2003, 10:36 am

Purina Pro Plan

Deward · Post by **Deward** » March 18, 2003, 12:38 pm

Read the ingredients. Foods that are too high in fiber and other "plant" products will cause more gas because they aren't as easily digestable. If the first ingredient is corn then look for another product.

I know that lots of exercise can help too. If the dog has a higher metabolism then it will digest more of its food and maybe lower the amount of gaseous fumes.

Deward

Ennia · Post by **Ennia** » March 18, 2003, 12:43 pm

seems like dogs either have bad breath after all dry diet or they fart after everything else

personally I hated how my dog smelled after all Eukanuba diet so I'm gradually switching her to home cooked food
it might be burdensome if you never cook for yourself or family, but if you at least prepare your food once a day it's easy to cut up some less expensive meat into cubes, add a few carrots and boil it
just don't add any spices

when there's no time to cook for your dog cans work well
and an occasional bone, large bones or ribs, no chicken bones

Dalmoth · Post by **Dalmoth** » March 18, 2003, 2:29 pm

I feed my pooch Purina One. She cuts one maybe once a month. Its rather odiferous as they all are or we wouldn't comment on it as much. I found the food itself mattered more than anything else in preventing gas when I went thru this when she was a puppy.

As for the food issue, my god won't eat people food no matter if its left out in reach. She is under no illusion she is a dog, the only people food she gets are banannas and grapes. My sister has a big problem with her little 5 lb rat she calls a dog, becuase she'll feed her AT dinner from the table. Its no wonder that dog looks at it all as her food.

Lynxe · Post by **Lynxe** » March 19, 2003, 12:27 am

I have 2 labs (a chocolate and a yellow). The chocolate is about 5 months old and we checked out a few vets before settling on one for her and even moved our yellow lab over to the new one.

It seems all vets say the best food for your dog is the stuff you buy from them. However, they have also told us consistantly that though IAMS used to be a good product, it isn't anymore. Purina was highly suggested if you didn't buy what the vet themselves were selling (Science Diet here too Kal).

I'm not sure if this suggestion is worth it, but you could have a look into making your own dog food. There are lots of sites on the internet that go into detail about homemade dog food and since humans get "stinkier" with certain foods, it stands to reason that dogs will too. If you could pick and choose what went into your dog instead of generic "dog food", you might better handle what comes back out

Just a warning up front, most sites that talk about making your own food also have detailed descriptions of what goes into "generic dog foods". If you have never read that stuff before it is probably going to shock/disgust you

Good luck!

Ajran · Post by **Ajran** » March 19, 2003, 11:48 am

I feed my dogs Nutro.. fairly expensive.. but one of the best.. produces less waste and the dogs don't eat as much of it because more stays in their body.

i have 2 Newfoundlands.

Kaluian_CT · Post by **Kaluian_CT** » March 19, 2003, 1:05 pm

Just to clarify Kyoukan,....the reason for the stapling of a Great Danes stomach isnt so it will eat less, it is because they have a problem with the stomach flipping over itself and cutting off the food supply and backing it up. I also had to buy dog bowls that come off the ground about 3 ft, because if they have to bend down to much it increases the chance for his stomach to flip.

Also, I think I am going with Iams, everything I have found about it says its the best. Also, I enrolled Max into an obeidiace school run by an ex-K9 police officer. Cost me 45 a lesson and he said he will have results after 4-6 lessons.

Thanks everyone for the tips =)

Spangaloid_PE · Post by **Spangaloid_PE** » March 19, 2003, 7:39 pm

i forgot what i was gonna say

Keverian FireCry · Post by **Keverian FireCry** » March 19, 2003, 10:22 pm

the reason for the stapling of a Great Danes stomach isnt so it will eat less, it is because they have a problem with the stomach flipping over itself and cutting off the food supply and backing it up

My older dog died from his stomach flipping over on itself, cut off blood to some of his major organs

. Apparently it can happen to OMGIAMRETARDEDCAUSEALOTISTWOWORDS of big dogs. He was a 100lb golden retriever.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » March 19, 2003, 10:26 pm

45-60 a lesson is about right, and a good trainer will get a dog behaving properly in about that amount of time depending on how many other dogs he has. is it private training?

Kaluian_CT · Post by **Kaluian_CT** » March 19, 2003, 10:50 pm

yes, he said Great Danes require individual training if at all possible.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » March 19, 2003, 10:58 pm

yeah danes are pretty rowdy.

insert drolgin joke here: _______________________________

Forthe · Post by **Forthe** » March 19, 2003, 11:17 pm

I had to switch my 2 english bulldogs to a dry diet. My god they were foul when on wet food, especially the female (women!).

I'd try different brands, hopefully you can find one that both your dog and your nose will like.

Damn Ajran, thats a whole lotta dog to take care of.

Avestan · Post by **Avestan** » March 19, 2003, 11:33 pm

This is the best thread evar!

Millie · Post by **Millie** » March 19, 2003, 11:56 pm

I've never owned a Great Dane, but I've been around my share of them. They're very rowdy, especially when they're young.

Labs are the worst, though. My friend's chocolate lab was an absolute tasmanian devil as a puppy. He would dart around the house as if he had just downed 5 kilos of crystal meth. He would chew the fuck out of every item in the house, including ALL the furniture, all the bed spreads, all the paper towels and toilet paper, and all the toothbrushes (yuck). He'd also try to ram into people or head-butt them; he was just being playful, but he was a nuissance. Apparently, he was bred and raised as a hunting dog. I hear labs are mostly outdoorsy dogs, and keeping them cooped up in the house will make them restless. "Restless" doesn't even begin to describe the behavior of that damned puppy.

Acies · Post by **Acies** » March 20, 2003, 12:46 am

LOL, nah Mille.
Jack Russel Terrier.
Those dogs are the spawn of Satan. Little dogs who are fast, agile, and very cunning.
/shiver

Millie · Post by **Millie** » March 20, 2003, 12:48 am

Little dogs can behave badly, but medium to large dogs are much worse. Not only can they be total brats; they're also big enough to get their way if they really want it.

Acies · Post by **Acies** » March 20, 2003, 12:57 am

Perhaps, dogs are not really my specialty, but this Jack Russel Terrier, it is my GF mother's dog.
Evil, in ways I cannot express to you in this medium.

Silvarel Mistmoon · Post by **Silvarel Mistmoon** » March 20, 2003, 1:33 am

Could he have a gland problem?

Pherr the Dorf · Post by **Pherr the Dorf** » March 20, 2003, 3:11 am

Not much to say that hasn't been said. I used to raise and breed Akitas and all my dogs got Iams, period. As far as training goes, big dogs need damn good training, and the price is about right for what your dog will need. Dogs are pack animals, you gotta act like the Alpha male or a big dog will walk right over you.