Iraq: The Aftermath

Millie · Post by **Millie** » March 17, 2003, 5:32 pm

Forget the upcoming war; let's weigh in on the consequences. How costly will this war be? When the dust has settled, the bombs have been shelved, and the smoke has cleared, what will be the result? And perhaps most important, what will happen to our economy if we win or lose?

masteen · Post by **masteen** » March 17, 2003, 5:36 pm

Win or lose, our economy will recover. You must be a marketing goon, cause those are some loaded questions.

"Do you like Coke? Or are you a Pepsi-drinking terrorist?"

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » March 17, 2003, 5:36 pm

Hold on, getting Cleo on the line first.

Gurugurumaki · Post by **Gurugurumaki** » March 17, 2003, 5:36 pm

I dont think the war will have anything to do with our economy, especially long term (2-3 years from now). Once people quit being pansies and stop hiding their money under the pillow, things will be business as usual. What these fucktards don't realize is...they will be working at Walmart; if they don't get back into the market, be it with equities or bonds.

Soriathus Serpentine · Post by **Soriathus Serpentine** » March 17, 2003, 5:36 pm

I'm afrid the aftermath will be even worse because honestly, where is Bush gonna stop? When is enough enough? Once he's tasted victory he will move onto another target and another and another ignoring the issues on home soil. Ohhhh how about a war on organized crime? Troops and tanks in our streets!!!! Ok maybe that's a bit extreme, but seriously when is enough enough?

Zamtuk · Post by **Zamtuk** » March 17, 2003, 5:37 pm

He will end up using WOMD's on his own people in an effort to kill our troops. (he will probably succeed) This should show the world we were right, if we indeed are right. We will end up overthrowing him one way or another, and hopefully try to rebuild foreign relations.

Then again I could be wrong.

Gurugurumaki · Post by **Gurugurumaki** » March 17, 2003, 5:38 pm

Soriathus Serpentine wrote:I'm afrid the aftermath will be even worse because honestly, where is Bush gonna stop? When is enough enough? Once he's tasted victory he will move onto another target and another and another ignoring the issues on home soil. Ohhhh how about a war on organized crime? Troops and tanks in our streets!!!!

With Hummer's going public, tanks are not that far off..."Hi, I would like to purchase an M1-Abrahm for casual driving."

masteen · Post by **masteen** » March 17, 2003, 5:39 pm

This war was just the distraction from dealing with upper-eschelon corporate corruption that Bush and Co. were looking for.

I guess what I'm saying is: WATCH YER ASS, PIERRE!!!!!1!!!11!!

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » March 17, 2003, 5:39 pm

Other. Iraq is conquered at the cost of 10's of thousands of american lives and 100's of thousands of innocent Iraqi citizens in Baghdad. Bush sets up puppet dictator that eventually turns on the US because that was his plan the entire time. Also allows energy companies his cabinet has ties with to "administrate" the distribution if Iraqi oil. Leaves next president to clean up the mess. Gas companies realize Amerians are now used to paying 2 bucks a gallon at the pumps and decide not to lower it. Fallanthas and Midnyte blame everything on Clinton and the liberal media.

Gurugurumaki · Post by **Gurugurumaki** » March 17, 2003, 5:42 pm

kyoukan type-R wrote:Other. Iraq is conquered at the cost of 10's of thousands of american lives and 100's of thousands of innocent Iraqi citizens in Baghdad. Bush sets up puppet dictator that eventually turns on the US because that was his plan the entire time. Also allows energy companies his cabinet has ties with to "administrate" the distribution if Iraqi oil. Leaves next president to clean up the mess. Gas companies realize Amerians are now used to paying 2 bucks a gallon at the pumps and decide not to lower it. Fallanthas and Midnyte blame everything on Clinton and the liberal media.

I'm more worried about bananas and beer going up in price, once the car is introduced that can use this as fuel...like in Back to the Future. Naty Light 20$ a case

Bananas 2$ a pound

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » March 17, 2003, 5:51 pm

The US indirectly gains control of one of the world's main oil producers and charges a mint to other contries for stocks. Therefore insuring that it remains the only superpower in the world.

The US thrives while shipping even more of it's trash to 3rd world countries, every american warm in their feeling that everything's all right.

Then the gov't sets up fake film companies that bankrolls productions on how war on Iraq was so gritty, how bad soldiers in the gulf had it and how it was all done for the greater moral good. The movie closes with Mel Gibson and Tom Cruise bolting a huge american flag at the top of an oil well with huge orchestra music playing in the background.

7 years later, the Venezuelan gov't needs to be overthrown because of a dictator.

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » March 17, 2003, 5:53 pm

Other. War will be much the same as the first gulf war. Most of the Iraqi soldiers will surrender at the first oppurtunity. The Republican guard will fight but will be hurt by the air superiority. The economy will recover just in time for the newly elected Democrat president to be able to take credit for it. Gas prices will still be exorbitant until the government steps in. Even if WOMD's are discovered, Bush will be vilefied by the rest of the world and a large portion of the country. I also do think that in 15-20 years that people will realize that what he did was the right thing as they look back. I also believe that he will push to get the Israel/Palestine conflict resolved. If he manages to get that resolved in a way that is equitable for both parties and leads to their peaceful coexistence, it will not only help peace in the Middle east, but would earn him a place among the better presidents of the U.S.

Millie · Post by **Millie** » March 17, 2003, 5:55 pm

masteen wrote:Win or lose, our economy will recover. You must be a marketing goon, cause those are some loaded questions.

"Do you like Coke? Or are you a Pepsi-drinking terrorist?"

Looking over my questions, I fail to see what led you to that opinion. Perhaps you just saw my name on this post and decided to talk out your ass again.

Obviously certain questions in that list are more extreme than others. Some are more sensible. I had to cover all the possible bases in order to gauge the range of opinions here.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » March 17, 2003, 5:58 pm

I've been blaming Clinton for this all along He was a smart man, just not very wise.

It was smart to ignore the Middle East situation and growing world-wide resentment and get hummers in the Oval Office. I mean who'd choose to mediate between warring religious fanatics over getting blown by a 19 year-old JAP?

It was also smart to ignore obvious bubble the economy was floating on. I mean who'd choose to address corporate corruption when you could spend time getting your wife elected to congress in NY, leaving you free to spend your retirement banging coeds on the lecture circuit?

But, here we are, almost ten years down the road, having to deal with exactly that.

Millie · Post by **Millie** » March 17, 2003, 6:03 pm

You act as though Clinton is the first president ever to get blown by an intern, or as if getting sucked off by a slut had anything to do with his domestic agenda.

I'd bet dollars to doughnuts that Dubya's had his share of Oval Office flings. He's just been lucky enough not to have them with tell-all Brentwood JAPs.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » March 17, 2003, 6:06 pm

My point was that's all he did. This shit didn't just crop up because Dubya got elected. I'll agree that his complete lack to tact and utter cluelessness about diplomacy have made the situation worse, but this is not new.

Millie · Post by **Millie** » March 17, 2003, 6:08 pm

masteen wrote:My point was that's all he did. This shit didn't just crop up because Dubya got elected. I'll agree that his complete lack to tact and utter cluelessness about diplomacy have made the situation worse, but this is not new.

I won't even entertain how wrong you are on this thread. It would lead up to another 2 pages of exchanged flames that I would rather save for another day. For now, let's agree to disagree.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » March 17, 2003, 6:09 pm

Clinton brought Israel and Palestine closer to peace than any other president ever did. Christ he even had Arafat and Rabin re-distrubiting the land back. A major agenda of the Clinton administration was peace between Israel and Palestine. That would solve 80% of the problems in the middle east almost instantly.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » March 17, 2003, 6:10 pm

He did such a good job that the Israeli people responded by electing the most hard-line regime in years. WTG!

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » March 17, 2003, 6:15 pm

They did that because after Rabin was assassinated he was replaced by a hardline muslim-hater that immediately told the palestinians that their previous deal was to be completely trashed and that they were to get nothing. So the palestinians started their attacks again. Sharon was elected because of his reputation for being a bloodthirsty hawk who has been killing Palestinians since the early 60s.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » March 17, 2003, 6:20 pm

The fact that the most moderate leader Israel had in decades got assassinated speaks volumes about the peace process.

Gurugurumaki · Post by **Gurugurumaki** » March 17, 2003, 6:23 pm

masteen wrote:The fact that the most moderate leader Israel had in decades got assassinated speaks volumes about the peace process.

Blame it on bin laden and hussein~

rhyae · Post by **rhyae** » March 17, 2003, 6:23 pm

US companys with ties to cheney etc, are already being asked to bid on the reconstruction and clean up of iraq, weee.
somebodys gonna get rich
wonder what russia, france and china think of that

Gurugurumaki · Post by **Gurugurumaki** » March 17, 2003, 6:25 pm

rhyae wrote:US companys with ties to cheney etc, are already being asked to bid on the reconstruction and clean up of iraq, weee.
somebodys gonna get rich
wonder what russia, france and china think of that

Someone has to rebuild it and since we are going to destroy it, why not benefit from rebuilding it~

rhyae · Post by **rhyae** » March 17, 2003, 6:29 pm

its just the spin that is always put on it

America = evil opportunists
just ask anyone non American

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » March 17, 2003, 6:35 pm

masteen wrote:The fact that the most moderate leader Israel had in decades got assassinated speaks volumes about the peace process.

He was assassinated by a jew.

Braxter · Post by **Braxter** » March 17, 2003, 6:41 pm

Gurugurumaki wrote: Someone has to rebuild it and since we are going to destroy it, why not benefit from rebuilding it~

you've got the direction of causality backwards.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » March 17, 2003, 7:04 pm

kyoukan type-R wrote:
masteen wrote:The fact that the most moderate leader Israel had in decades got assassinated speaks volumes about the peace process.
He was assassinated by a jew.

I know. He was leading his people in a direction they didn't want to go.

Kaluian_CT · Post by **Kaluian_CT** » March 17, 2003, 8:13 pm

The U.S. economy will take an initial beating, but will recover, and then blossom as is the case with just about every US war. Investors are already salivating over the impending war, as Iraq has a debt in upwards of 70 billion dollars, and investors are buying out defaulted loans for literally 6-8 cents on the US dollar.

The US will roll over Iraq in a matter of days,...yes days.

http://www.time.com/time/covers/1101030 ... taryA.html

The reconstruction will begin and the US will pay Iraqi debts and those investors will make money hand over fist.

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » March 17, 2003, 8:40 pm

masteen wrote:
kyoukan type-R wrote:
masteen wrote:The fact that the most moderate leader Israel had in decades got assassinated speaks volumes about the peace process.
He was assassinated by a jew.
I know. He was leading his people in a direction they didn't want to go.

So let me get this straight. You fault Clinton for not doing anything to help the Israel/Palestinian peace process, when in fact he was the most successful president ever in this respect. Then you take a portion of that popullaces opposition to said plan and their subsequent assassination of one of the leaders, and you fault this on Clinton doing a good job?

Can you say unbiased, irrational argument? No, it's not pronounced Republican, that's just a similie.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » March 17, 2003, 8:49 pm

We will have 250,000 troops, minus a few killed by canadian friendly fire, sitting right next to Iran.

Millie · Post by **Millie** » March 17, 2003, 8:50 pm

Please explain the logical connection between Clinton and the assassination of Rabin. I'd *love* to hear this.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » March 17, 2003, 8:55 pm

Millie wrote:Please explain the logical connection between Clinton and the assassination of Rabin. I'd *love* to hear this.

well if it wasn't for Clinton's tireless efforts for peace and major steps torward a mutually acceptable division of land, Rabin wouldn't have been assassinated by a muslim-hating zionist asshole. So yeah it was all Clinton's fault!

Millie · Post by **Millie** » March 17, 2003, 8:56 pm

That damned Clinton. I say we blame him for everything that's gone wrong in the 12-year timespan preceeding and following his presidency!

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » March 17, 2003, 9:25 pm

Clinton was responsible for Regan's mental failings! HE SUKCED HIS BRAINSES!!!!

Millie · Post by **Millie** » March 17, 2003, 9:27 pm

...and now for something completely different...

LOIS: Peter, promise me you won't drink at Quagmire's party tonight.

PETER: I promise.

-= 5 minutes later =-

QUAGMIRE: Hey Peter, let's play Drink the Beer!

PETER: How do you play?

QUAGMIRE: Drink a beer!

(Peter pounds a bottle of beer)

QUAGMIRE: You win!

PETER: Sweet! What do I win?!

QUAGMIRE: Another beer!

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » March 17, 2003, 9:31 pm

Winnow wrote:We will have 250,000 troops, minus a few killed by canadian friendly fire, sitting right next to Iran.

This is fucking hilarious given that it was your planes that bombed our troops in Afghanistan...

Anyhow....

http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2003/03/17/chretieniraq030317

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » March 17, 2003, 9:55 pm

Animalor wrote:
Winnow wrote:We will have 250,000 troops, minus a few killed by canadian friendly fire, sitting right next to Iran.
This is fucking hilarious given that it was your planes that bombed our troops in Afghanistan...

Anyhow....

http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2003/03/17/chretieniraq030317

I know : )
/taunt

Brotha · Post by **Brotha** » March 17, 2003, 10:45 pm

Other: Democracy will take place in Iraq, but will not flourish throughout the middle east...not anytime soon atleast. Rebuilding? Iraq is an oil rich country with many skilled people- they can rebuild themselves w/o "billions" from us over many years. Most of that rebuilding will be rebuilding b/c of Saddam, not from our invasion. And once this war is over (it will be a quick one) our economy will rapidly recover.

Iraq is conquered at the cost of 10's of thousands of american lives and 100's of thousands of innocent Iraqi citizens in Baghdad.

The civilian side will depend on Saddam, we'll see about that. But 10's of thousands of American lives? How in the world would that happen? When Saddam's army was 3 times stronger in the Gulf War we had a total of 158 deaths the entire war, most of which were when some missles got a lucky hit on one of our barracks in Kuwait. I think if we have to fight house to house in Baghdad we'll certainly have more...but 10's of thousands? That reminds me of Sam Donaldson (I think it was him) saying we'd have 50k deaths within the first months of the Gulf War. I also guess you're thinking he'll use chemical weapons (which he doesn't have, right?), but we are well prepared for that and even expecting it.

Clinton brought Israel and Palestine closer to peace than any other president ever did. Christ he even had Arafat and Rabin re-distrubiting the land back. A major agenda of the Clinton administration was peace between Israel and Palestine. That would solve 80% of the problems in the middle east almost instantly.

Clinton got Israel to offer a GREAT deal to Palestine and Arafat refused it. I can't remember the specifics but the deal was more than you could ever have thought Israel would offer. I give Clinton mad props for his dealings w/ Israel and Palestine.

I think people are confused over what Halliburton was given. They didn't say "ok Halliburton, you can have all of Iraq's oil after Saddam is gone."

HOUSTON, March 6 (Reuters) - A Halliburton Co. (nyse: HAL - news - people) subsidiary Kellogg, Brown & Root (KBR) has won the contract to oversee any firefighting operations at Iraqi oilfields after any U.S.-led invasion, a Defense Department source said on Thursday.

KBR was widely viewed by many in the oilfield services industry as the likely candidate to oversee firefighting in Iraq's oilfields. Halliburton does extensive logistic support work for the U.S. military.

http://www.forbes.com/home_europe/newsw ... 00049.html

Iraq is going to have control over Iraq's oil. Why is it so hard for some people to grasp that?

masteen · Post by **masteen** » March 17, 2003, 11:26 pm

I credit Clinton and co. for getting both sides to get and earnest dialogue going on, but he pushed for too much, too soon.

The assassination by an extremist Jew I could write off as backlash from a minority, but the fact that the hardliners were brought in right after is a pretty clear message.

Clinton didn't do anything about the "new" economic balloon because his high approval rating was tied directly to it. No, he had nothing to do with either the rise or the fall, but he rode that bull for all it was worth.

Not that Dubya's any kind of solution in my book. I haven't seen a real world leader type from either party in my voting lifetime.

p.s. You laugh now Dregor, but we'll see who's laughing when the LGM come for your brains!

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » March 17, 2003, 11:32 pm

masteen wrote:Win or lose, our economy will recover. You must be a marketing goon, cause those are some loaded questions.

"Do you like Coke? Or are you a Pepsi-drinking terrorist?"

lol. My thought exactly. I picked other.

We will be sucessful, the economy will recover, we may have another terrorist attack on US soil, etc etc etc.

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » March 18, 2003, 1:57 am

I just want the fucking protesters to taste some blood.

Xyun · Post by **Xyun** » March 18, 2003, 5:49 am

Other. Worse case senario.

We will win the war but at a high cost of lives to both sides. The U.S. will find more resistance from the Iraqi people then they expect. Even during the occupation, there will be uprisings and riots of the few survivors. No true democratic government will take over because any government representing the Iraqi people would want the U.S. out of their country. The U.S. will install a leader who will actually be our puppet and we will be able to milk Iraq for every drop of oil for as long as we want.

The entire time, the majority of the world will continue to protest the United States and tensions between the U.S. and the world will increase drastically.

In the long run, a generation of terrorists will be bred in the middle east. Terror attacks increase throughout the world and tensions between all nations increase. The U.S. once again blames the terrorism on some middle-east nation and begins to systematically eradicate arabs, one country after another. This causes the rest of the countries in the world, already in unrest and fear of U.S. exertion of power to build alliances.

Tensions will develop into another cold war or even a world war.

vn_Tanc · Post by **vn_Tanc** » March 18, 2003, 7:01 am

The war will be swift with masses of Iraqi conscripts surrendering in the south but then the US reaches Baghdad and it gets nasty.
After a long street battle against hardened, experienced troops when US tech advantage is neutralised, the US wins but at a cost and proceeds with installing a friendly puppet government and milking the country for all it's worth.
Strangely the rest of the muslim world in the region doesn't fall over with gratitude.
Saudi, Syria and Lebanon lurch towards fundamentalism and Iran closes up tighter and makes menacing noises. US is unable to maintain it's Saudi bases but it doesn't matter cos it's got just as many air strips and almost as much oil in Iraq now so nur.
In 10 years time the friendly Iraq government is swept aside on a tide of fundamentalism. Israel is ever more backed into a corner and keep the finger on the nuclear trigger while successive US administrations choose to dance or not dance as the whim takes them and how much of the US domestic jewish vote they think they can count on.
Meantime Droopy takes a look at his map and decides on Libya as the next target. It has all the right ingredients: historic ties to terrorism, oil, dictatorship, no military to speak of, oil, and is a muslim country and, heck, it's only a short sail around Arabia and through the Suez and you're there. Simple.

Enjoy your war, motherfuckers. It will only be the beginning.
In the meantime I'll be bitching up a storm here for the next 48 hours. Unfortunately as soon as battle is joined I'm forced to support UK troops in battle. Seeing as the dipshits in charge have decided to go through with it all I can do I hope it's over quick and clean and very very few of our troops end up making the ultimate sacrifice for such a pathetic, ignoble cause.

Gurugurumaki · Post by **Gurugurumaki** » March 18, 2003, 11:10 am

vn_Tanc wrote: Enjoy your war, motherfuckers. It will only be the beginning.
In the meantime I'll be bitching up a storm here for the next 48 hours. Unfortunately as soon as battle is joined I'm forced to support UK troops in battle. Seeing as the dipshits in charge have decided to go through with it all I can do I hope it's over quick and clean and very very few of our troops end up making the ultimate sacrifice for such a pathetic, ignoble cause.

You're not forced to do anything, either support the troops or not...because you want to~

vn_Tanc · Post by **vn_Tanc** » March 18, 2003, 11:19 am

I'm forced by my own convictions.
No matter what you think of the political decisions, you should support the men and women of your military when they're called on to fight IMO.

Gurugurumaki · Post by **Gurugurumaki** » March 18, 2003, 11:21 am

vn_Tanc wrote:I'm forced by my own convictions.
No matter what you think of the political decisions, you should support the men and women of your military when they're called on to fight IMO.

I agree with supporting the military, that is all, cheers~

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » March 18, 2003, 11:33 am

My prediction is a massive bombing in the first 2-3 days of the war. I'm talking surgical strikes against specific targets with massive and overwhelming damage. We've been flying spy planes over Iraq for months now. We were suppossed to be using them to help find WMD, which they never did, but we were actually using them to prepare for our inevitable upcoming war.

The ground war will start immediately after the bombing at night. I predict massive surrendering at the start. The Iraqis that surrender realize there will be a power shift after America takes over and they'll be in a better position if they help the new powers that be.

Key cities will be taken within days and I forsee night fighting as our main weapon within those cities. Special Ops will be dropped onto rooftops at night where they will set up snipers and rule from above while the grunts take the streets.

The whole "war" will be officially won in around 2 weeks with between 300-500 US casualties on the high side. Less than 50 on the low side.

The real problems start after the war. The rich will get richer with US tax dollars lining thier pockets, all in the name of good. WMD will be "found" and debate will rage of they were real or planted. Iraqi civilians will have died and that will be blamed on Iragis dressed up like US soldiers. Things will begin to surface that will show a whole other possible explaination behind a war with Iraq that's just going to divide our country more, and make other countries even more afraid of us. The list goes on and on...

We set up shop in Iraq and milk it for all it's worth, eventually leaving a new regime in charge with plenty of false promises and hand shakes. The neighboring countries will despise us even more and it will be open season on any Americans on the streets of the Middle East. Dissent and hatred for the US doubles wordlwide. America dosen't care.

Gurugurumaki · Post by **Gurugurumaki** » March 18, 2003, 11:35 am

FP-you sound like that General, who spoke on CNN last night...minus the last two paragraphs.

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » March 18, 2003, 11:37 am

Really? I haven't really seen or read anything in regards to our potential tactics. The above is just my best guess.

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