I use a S&W 10mm, which is kind of a bitch to find ammo for but is a superior round to most in that range.
Ruger 10/22s aer nice because they are solid rifles with many many upgrade options(folding stock, etc)
If you really want a beefy gun, try this:
S&W .500 MAGNUM A very ridiculous and powerful hand cannon. Makes a .44 Mag look like a pea shooter. However, be prepared to set a broken nose after firing this.
That's what I thought Tosh, because this firing range sells weapons that allowing me to rent a gun there almost insures I will end up buying from there because I will fall in love with a particular gun type I know they carry. But they told me "no".
I might go call an old friend from HS that I grew apart from that I ran into last night at the movies, he has a shit load of guns. Might sell me one cheap or let me borrow one, or hell might even let me bring the girls to his property and fire them there.
So the guy who got tied up and saw his dad beaten and almost shot in the head....you say you had guns in your house, that's exactly what I'm thinking, either I won't get to the gun in time or it will escalate to the point someone does get shot (maybe me), or I won't be home, the chances I'd be home, have the gun in my hand, and get off the first shot are slim. If for some reason I felt it appropriate to go for my gun, I'm pretty sure a .22 would do almost as good of a job as a .45.....because I wouldn't want to get shot by either and I'm sure the burglar wouldn't either.
Also I'm not in a prominent family people would want to rob, noone knows me and the shit I have here isn't that valuable, I mean sure my place is nice, but it's all furniture etc...it's too much of a pain to sneak out and then pawn...couches and entertainment centers are a bitch. I mean my TV is 36" They would need a van, and it would take 2 people to carry it...and a little while to disconnect etc...and that's like one of the easier items they could steal from here that has any worth...$500 new, probably $200 pawned. These machines are all home built and fairly outdated except the video cards.
But the main reason I think they would be crazy is the sheer quantity of people always at my house...Like last night, it's a monday night right? I had Me, Zergs, Scrimps, Scrimps, Claritin...Scrimpys friend matt, Scrimps GF Monica all at my house a bit, we went toa movie, while we were at the movie 3 friends Jeff, Jay, and Trey stopped by and left a note....the entire time I had 2 cars in the driveway and all the lights on. Then we came back from the movie and granted the number did dwindle down to just me, Scrimps and Monica....but Scrimps and Monica are still here.
Over the weekend I had no less then 4 people over...got up to around 15 at points...that's including nights, I think Saturday night I had 2 in my bedroom, 2 in guest bedroom 1, 2 in guest bedroom 2, 3 on the couch, and one in guest bedroom 3. That's 10 people all age 20-28. It would just be crazy to try and rob me with as many people as are usually over here, I usually have 3 cars parked outside minimum. It would be like trying to rob someone who lived in the college dorms....too many witnesses at any time of the day.
P.S. I would not have an issue with shooting someone. The only issues I have are if I could get the gun, would I be more likely to get shot if I pulled a gun, and would I go to jail for it or end up having to replace my carpet...which is not cheap. The moral issue is not applicable for me, I follow the golden rule...and I don't beleive in god, heaven, hell etc...so if your nice to me, I'm nice to you...if you fuck me, then fuck you....I have no moral issues with removing you from the planet.
Now in the case of war I have issues with shooting people. Because many times people on the other side were handed rifles and told if they don't shoot people they and thier families will be killed. So the person I'm killing isn't necessarily a bad person..I mean if I had to do it, I would...but I would feel bad about it.
Heh Denadeb, i think my dad has that same gun. he got it custom made by a dude that lives in texas with a new/better than stock barrel and a few other additions. nice gun =p
We had a couple of shotguns and 2 .22 rifles that were purely for hunting. Nobody needed home defense weaponry in Arkansas in 1976, so we thought.
The guns were all in a gun cabinet in the back of a walk-in closet. If memory serves, we probably had a couple of shells for each shotgun and maybe a small box of .22 rounds for the rifles. They were kept in a locked drawer in the bottom of the gun cabinet. They weren't for home defense and weren't kept in such a manner.
Walk in my house today, and rest assured that I can bring a weapon to bear on someone very quickly, with no doubts as to what happens when I apply pressure to the trigger. As bad as that sounds, as I posted earlier I will NEVER go through that again. Someone, be it me or thee, dies.
I have a concealed weapons license and I exercise my right to carry a pistol. I hope that I'm never put in a situation like that again, and the effort to get my CCW is for naught. But I'll not be caught short again.
OK, my friend got rid of most of his guns all he has is a .22 rifle and a 12-gauge shotgun left. He said I can come to his property and shoot but I think I'm still opting for a .22 or 9mm pistol and at a range for atleast the girls....I don't want to drag a couple of 21-22 yr old girls out to the middle of the woods with guns, I'd like it to be more formal and less backwoods yeehaw shit.
So my friend says Hi-Point pistols are cheap and decent quality. Anyone have anything to say about them? He says I can get a 9mm maybe for $100.
My main issues would be jamming, or safety problems...or if the accuracy sucked hardcore.
First, you can rent guns locally at Target World in Sharonville right down from Tri-County mall.
Second, I would suggest NOT buying a 9mm handgun. Reason #1 is that if you ever do use it for self defense, it has zero knockdown power. You would want something that packs a serious punch. Reason #2 is that without a little more experience, a semi-auto could just be flat out more dangerous to have around.
I would really suggest getting a decent S&W or Colt .357 revolver. You can pick them up for anywhere from $250 to $500. The bonus to those is that you can shoot the big boy rounds with the .357 magnums in it, or drop down and shoot the much lower powered .38 in it. The .38 shells are a lot cheaper and have very little kick for shooting a lot at the range. Last time I bought shells it was about $7.50 for a box of 50.
If you go with a semi-auto, you are looking at $600 and up for a decent gun. I would avoid Tarrus and Ruger like the plague on those. Colt, Springfield, or Kimber all make 1911 .45 models that are leagues above the others.
Don't waste your money on any scope or laser sights or anything stupid. Look for tritium sights if you want something functional. Stick to 4" or 6" on barrel length on a revolver and 4" on semi-auto. The revolver with 6" barrel will be much more accurate for the range. It is also fairly safe if you have it loaded with 5 shells and the hammer down on an empty chamber for home defense.
Thanks Kilmoll, if it's possible to rent I'm going to hold off on buying so I'll take the girls to target world.
I just really don't want a gun in my house at this point in my life there are too many people around here drunk etc...
Plus I'm not sure how much I want to spend yet, if I really like it and my friends have a good time, maybe I'll buy a nice $500'ish gun, if they don't like it muh I'll just rent or buy a $150 gun.
Heh Denadeb, i think my dad has that same gun. he got it custom made by a dude that lives in texas with a new/better than stock barrel and a few other additions. nice gun =p
Yea they have a few people that will do some slight upgrades to the gun itself. Overall its probably one of the best compact .45 if not the best with out having any upgrades done to it. Para Ordnance is basicly a custom gun company that sells in mass.
I have had the gun for a few years now and I have absolutly no complaint except for how much it cost at the range.
12-15 for a cheap box of 50 or roughly $18 for a box of 20 hollow points.
Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:First, you can rent guns locally at Target World in Sharonville right down from Tri-County mall.
Second, I would suggest NOT buying a 9mm handgun. Reason #1 is that if you ever do use it for self defense, it has zero knockdown power. You would want something that packs a serious punch. Reason #2 is that without a little more experience, a semi-auto could just be flat out more dangerous to have around.
who the fuck are you jerry bruckheimer? you shoot someone 3x in the chest with 9mm hollow points and they are going to fall down.
don't listen to this jackhole unless you plan on firing at a lot of PCP addicts or people wearing kevlar body suits.
.357 jesus christ clint relax
oh yeah this is from the guy that thought magnum research designed the desert eagle
Well, one problem with the 9mm is, believe it or not, penetration.
In a confined space such as a home, you really don't want the bullet going all the way through your target and into something else (another person, your dog, the wall of the neighbors house, etc).
Myself I would go with a shotgun and slug, or some type of handgun with more punch and less penetration.
Actually fuckwit, there was a shooting by the police here a few years back where the police used their 9mm handguns to shoot an armed man 3 times in the chest. They ended up having to wrestle him to the ground and were lucky they did not get shot by the .357 he was carrying. They switched to .40's not long after.
The 9mm is a high velocity round and has a tendency to be too fast to really mushroom unless it hits bone. Add that to the fact that most people don't know any better and will buy ball ammo and they are pretty bad as home defense weapons.
The .357 has much more stopping power, although I would probably stay with a .45 personally. Pils said he was worried about safety and revolvers are MUCH safer to handle than a semi-auto. Add to that the fact that you can shoot .38 rounds safely and they are a more versatile and safer weapon.
Maybe you could get some reading comprehension lessons and possibly be able to not pick only what information you want out of a sentence.
edit: And Magnum Research did come up with the Desert Eagle and had help putting it out. We went through this already once you dumb cunt.
I hate to tell you Kyoukan but Magnuim Research did first design what we know today as The Desert Eagle.
They did have some problems at first with the feeding and sought out some outside help. That help came from IMI who actually first started the production that later moved to the U.S. and now back to Israel.
Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:edit: And Magnum Research did come up with the Desert Eagle and had help putting it out. We went through this already once you dumb cunt.
yeah, and I gave you about 10 links that proved you wrong and you shut the fuck about it like you always wind up doing.
tritium sights do own, good suggestion kilmoll =p although a scope/laser sight is neat to have. a scope on a .44 mag for hunting wild boar is a good thing. and the laser sight on a baretta is just for fun heh
I'm not really worried about using it to stop an intruder. It will be in a locked case in a closet with a trigger lock, by the time I get it out the guy has killed me.
Also, if I have time to get the gun and fire on him....why stop at 3 rounds to the chest? If your going to kill someone, empty the clip. Like you guys said, it's like $9 for 50 rounds, the cheap 9mm I was going to buy held 10 rounds. That's like $2 for each clip you empty in some assholes chest. I can afford $2.
I'd have to go to the range with the 9mm with compensator I was looking at buying, but I think from 10ft away (most rooms in my home are like 14 feet wide etc...this is a condo not a mansion) I could bust out 10 shots ASAP and probably still hit with most of them. I mean I can hit a target the size of a head in the center maybe 80% at 50ft, at 10ft I shouldn't even have to aim to hit a man in the chest.
If I have the chance to sneak around I'll go outside circle around and let the air out of thier tires, they get my DVD player, I get thier fucking car. Oh and I'd have my cordless phone to call the cops. I'd rather do that then get arrested for killing the theif, have to replace all my carpet etc from bloodstains and have my home value go down.
Reading through the posts, I was wondering if someone was going to mention a revolver or not. Kilmoll did and I pretty much agree with most of his post.
Another couple of advantages for revolvers is that they don't care how cheap the ammo is that you feed them, while (as noted elsewhere) automatics can be fussy on the cheap stuff.
Revolvers are also inherently more simple and are easier to care for and clean than a automatic. Revolvers also take to sitting around for long periods of time better than automatics do as well.
As far as home defense goes, nothing quite makes the statement of GTFO like a pump shot gun action being worked. For pistols, 9mm, IF you have the right ammo will do ok, but the bigger, lower velocity rounds are much better. (Long live the 1911).
Klydon
Storm Warden of the 1st Season
Keepers of the Elements
The most effective way at stopping and intruder is the 9mm at short range. However, I prefer a .22 rifle (the AR-15 is a fine weapon)....1 round in the shoulder with the glock will serve as a reminder and send the perp out the door, then finish the job with the AR-15, the .22 ammo is great stuff, it tumbles around then blasts its way out of the body wherever it feels like. You can watch the perp bleed to death on your front lawn.
A perfect example of this is shooting a bucket of water at 25m with an AR-15. Makes a perfect little bullet hole in front, and a blast hole a little larger than your fist in the back where is empties the water ut in a gush.
A very ridiculous and powerful hand cannon. Makes a .44 Mag look like a pea shooter. However, be prepared to set a broken nose after firing this. 
