Question regarding firing ranges.

Pilsburry · Post by **Pilsburry** » March 3, 2003, 2:26 pm

1. How much does it usually cost to go to a shooting range?
2. How much is a box of say .22 or 9mm ammo? Targets? Anythign else I would have to buy?
3. I should get a pistol first right? How much would a mid-grade pistol cost and what brand do you suggest?
4. Do I need a permit to go to the range? If so how much do those usually run and what do you do to get one?

I got 2 chicks that I want to go shoot guns, but......I called the shooting range and they don't rent. Plus I used to love target practice in ROTC rifle and pistol marksmanship training (I wasn't in ROTC, I just enrolled in the marksmanship...which included repelling for some reason). I'd like to get back into it but I don't know much because they just handed me weapons and ammo, the range was free etc.....I'm used to M16 A1's (we had to install the 22 caliber conversion on it before we could fire it) some sort of bolt action rifle (man that thing was accurate) and I think it was a luger pistol...none of them were sighted to my eyes, all had point sights...no scopes.

I don't hunt, I don't plan on busting a cap in anyone's ass for home defense or anything....noone would ever rob me or start shit in my home, I have too many people here all the time. So were talking about just a firing range use weapon.

That being the case I still wish to fire it like you would in a fire fight, like I'm not going to put a scope on a pistol...maybe a laser sight if I feel kinky, but IRL if you use a pistol you probably won't really use a scope right? So IMHO using a scope on a pistol at a range is like using a cheat code on a video game. A rifle I would scope but not a pistol.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » March 3, 2003, 2:31 pm

You posted 4 times!

1. How much does it usually cost to go to a shooting range?

Been awhlie since I've been to one. Depends on the range but I'd guess 10-15 dollars.

2. How much is a box of say .22 or 9mm ammo? Targets? Anythign else I would have to buy?

22 is the cheapest. $3 for a bucket 'o bullets at Wal-Mart. (Ok, exaggerating a bit there. But not much!) 9mm? Uh. $10 for 50 maybe.

3. I should get a pistol first right? How much would a mid-grade pistol cost and what brand do you suggest?

Don't know. What are you looking for? Just practicing, self-defense or both? I'd imagine in the $500 range.

But since you did say for range use, I'd probably go with a 22. Cheap ammo is a good thing.

Also, unless it's an outdoor range you probably wont be able to practice with a rifle.

4. Do I need a permit to go to the range? If so how much do those usually run and what do you do to get one?

Depends on state maybe. In Florida last time I went they didn't check anything. If local laws say a permit is required they would probably check.

Toshira · Post by **Toshira** » March 3, 2003, 2:33 pm

Good idea is to just rent a couple of guns while at the range to decide which caliber is best for you...

Pyronius Flamebringer · Post by **Pyronius Flamebringer** » March 3, 2003, 2:36 pm

What I think tosh is trying to say is you should stick with pellet guns....

Draaxx · Post by **Draaxx** » March 3, 2003, 2:43 pm

yeah .22 is by far the cheapest ammo and if you are only gonna be shooting paper targets (boring!) then that would do just fine. If you plan on impressing the 2 chicks i dont think a .22 would do the job =p.

about an hour away from where i live my friend has some empty property, every couple months we go out there and blow up all of our old electronics that no longer work or just piss us off. it might sound like a redneck pasttime, and it probably is, but its fun as shit. I would like to state just for the record, that a shotgun > a VCR. but for that matter any rifle or 45+ caliber pistol works fine, shotgun is just more fun

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » March 3, 2003, 2:58 pm

a good starting gun a colt 1911 if you can afford the rounds. that is what I learned to shoot with. there's a reason that they still make these guns 80+ years after they first came out.

or you could just move to mississippi and take pot shots at the coloreds from your front porch when it looks like they are getting too close to yer property.

miir · Post by **miir** » March 3, 2003, 3:01 pm

If you plan on impressing the 2 chicks i dont think a .22 would do the job

I don't think I'd want to meet a chick who could be impressed by a gun.
It just sounds creepy.

Atokal · Post by **Atokal** » March 3, 2003, 3:04 pm

kyoukan type-R wrote:a good starting gun a colt 1911 if you can afford the rounds. that is what I learned to shoot with. there's a reason that they still make these guns 80+ years after they first came out.

or you could just move to mississippi and take pot shots at the coloreds from your front porch when it looks like they are getting too close to yer property.

Or come to Canada and take pot shots at Kyoukan as she runs from her double wide to the outhouse.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » March 3, 2003, 3:07 pm

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » March 3, 2003, 3:09 pm

Or come to Canada and take pot shots at Kyoukan as she runs from her double wide to the outhouse.

miir · Post by **miir** » March 3, 2003, 3:14 pm

If you're gonna flame Kyoukan, why not make an effort at humor?
Your last 150-200 Kyoukan flames have been very unfunny.

Post by **Xouqoa** » March 3, 2003, 3:17 pm

I think the number is more like 367 bad Kyoukan flames.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » March 3, 2003, 3:18 pm

all my flames are quality!

miir · Post by **miir** » March 3, 2003, 3:19 pm

Xouqoa wrote:I think the number is more like 367 bad Kyoukan flames.

Don't forget there has probably been about 75 Masekle flames, 50 non flames.. and maybe a dozen amusing kyoukan flames.

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » March 3, 2003, 3:21 pm

1. $5 - 15 here
2. .22 - $1 - 3.99 or 9mm - $8-15 (per 50)
3-4. Take a state approved hunter/firearms saftey course, you'll get decent info from folks who aren't trying to sell you anything and generally know what they are talking about. Many states have some odd laws you can get caught up in if you don't know them.

That said, .22 rifles and pistols are both great to start out with. Fun to shoot and low cost. I still like to shoot the Remington .22 I got for christmas when I was 12

It's much easier to learn on small calibers as you can develope good habits/form without the risk of developing a flinch or the like. Lots of new shooters get turned off by the recoil and noise when initially introduced to larger weapons as well.

miir · Post by **miir** » March 3, 2003, 3:24 pm

I still like to shoot the Remington .22 I got for christmas when I was 12

Your parents bought you a weapon when you were 12?

Atokal · Post by **Atokal** » March 3, 2003, 3:26 pm

For all you intellectual giants who think Kyoukans shit doesn't stink I submit the following:

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FUK U FARNCE WE SAVED UR ASSES IN WORLD WAR 2

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YES BUT THAT HAS ABSOLUTELY NO FUCKING BEARING IN THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CRIMINAL AND RACIAL PROFILING.

YOU CAN'T BE THIS FUCKING DENSE.

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JESUS CHRIST YOU JUST CAN'T BE

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EAT GIANT NORTH KOREAN BULLETS IMPERIALIST AGGRESOR!

MECHA COMMUNIST POWER PUNCH!

IT'S A LIBERAL PLOT TO COVER UP THE TRUTH

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One month of the same shit. As to flaming Kyoukan, hell I wouldn't even try. I realize she has one or two friends on these boards and the rest are afraid of this hate spewing bitch. As long as she continues to make dumb ass irrelevant posts after everyone of my posts she can expect the same.
I am equally sure that Masekle is loving every minute of being on team Kyoukan.

EL OH EL

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » March 3, 2003, 3:27 pm

haha you did a search for my posts

Sabek · Post by **Sabek** » March 3, 2003, 3:30 pm

Atokal wrote:For all you intellectual giants who think Kyoukans shit doesn't stink I submit the following:

WOW ALL PEACE PROTESTERS R DUM LOL LETS ROLL GO BUSH

FUK U FARNCE WE SAVED UR ASSES IN WORLD WAR 2

AMERICAN ORGANS FOR AMERICANS

YES BUT THAT HAS ABSOLUTELY NO FUCKING BEARING IN THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CRIMINAL AND RACIAL PROFILING.

YOU CAN'T BE THIS FUCKING DENSE.

YOU CAN'T BE.

JESUS CHRIST YOU JUST CAN'T BE

THE LIBERAL MEDIA WILL DESTROY US ALL FROM THE INSIDE OUT

EAT GIANT NORTH KOREAN BULLETS IMPERIALIST AGGRESOR!

MECHA COMMUNIST POWER PUNCH!

IT'S A LIBERAL PLOT TO COVER UP THE TRUTH

OMG

OMFG

One month of the same shit. As to flaming Kyoukan, hell I wouldn't even try. I realize she has one or two friends on these boards and the rest are afraid of this hate spewing bitch. As long as she continues to make dumb ass irrelevant posts after everyone of my posts she can expect the same.
I am equally sure that Masekle is loving every minute of being on team Kyoukan.

EL OH EL

Thx out of context.

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » March 3, 2003, 3:36 pm

miir wrote:Your parents bought you a weapon when you were 12?

Yes, I kept it in my closet and the ammunition in my dresser. Right next to the shotgun I got 2 years later. I learned to shoot around age 8, and was very well aware of what firearms really do when they hit something.

My kids both know how to shoot, and have since they were around 12. I keep the guns locked in a safe, it's different world than it was when I was little. They've also been around when deer and such were getting cleaned and have no illusions about what firearms are for and can do. Good anatomy lesson too, being sqeamish is a learned trait

miir · Post by **miir** » March 3, 2003, 3:39 pm

Atokal wrote:For all you intellectual giants who think Kyoukans shit doesn't stink I submit the following:

WOW ALL PEACE PROTESTERS R DUM LOL LETS ROLL GO BUSH

FUK U FARNCE WE SAVED UR ASSES IN WORLD WAR 2

AMERICAN ORGANS FOR AMERICANS

YES BUT THAT HAS ABSOLUTELY NO FUCKING BEARING IN THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CRIMINAL AND RACIAL PROFILING.

YOU CAN'T BE THIS FUCKING DENSE.

YOU CAN'T BE.

JESUS CHRIST YOU JUST CAN'T BE

THE LIBERAL MEDIA WILL DESTROY US ALL FROM THE INSIDE OUT

EAT GIANT NORTH KOREAN BULLETS IMPERIALIST AGGRESOR!

MECHA COMMUNIST POWER PUNCH!

IT'S A LIBERAL PLOT TO COVER UP THE TRUTH

OMG

OMFG

One month of the same shit. As to flaming Kyoukan, hell I wouldn't even try. I realize she has one or two friends on these boards and the rest are afraid of this hate spewing bitch. As long as she continues to make dumb ass irrelevant posts after everyone of my posts she can expect the same.
I am equally sure that Masekle is loving every minute of being on team Kyoukan.

EL OH EL

How many veins popped while you were typing that?

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » March 3, 2003, 3:40 pm

I laughed at those all over again. Good stuff. Thanks for posting Atokal!

miir · Post by **miir** » March 3, 2003, 3:41 pm

EAT GIANT NORTH KOREAN BULLETS IMPERIALIST AGGRESOR!

hehe, that's a personal fave.

Pyronius Flamebringer · Post by **Pyronius Flamebringer** » March 3, 2003, 3:41 pm

or you could just move to mississippi and take pot shots at the coloreds from your front porch when it looks like they are getting too close to yer property

Kyou = Bigot?

*~*stragi*~* · Post by ***~*stragi*~*** » March 3, 2003, 3:47 pm

kyou = > u

Post by **Sylvus** » March 3, 2003, 4:00 pm

Atokal wrote:As long as she continues to make dumb ass irrelevant posts after everyone of my posts she can expect the same.

Hi. I just thought I'd chime in for a moment to perhaps help you see something that you may be missing. A bit earlier in the thread, Kyoukan made the grave error of responding with relevant information to the fucking question presented in the original post. You responded to said post with a barb about her. She, in turn, cited your reply as even more empircal evidence to support her postulate that All posts by Atokal are inherently worthless. If you want someone to not pay attention to you, it's probably advisable to try and stay under their radar. In fact, your best bet would probably be to avoid making dimwitted jabs at someone who is clearly your intellectual superior and stick to what you do best: drooling and looking vacant.

Denadeb · Post by **Denadeb** » March 3, 2003, 5:04 pm

The ranges normally arn't very expensive and the targets are pretty cheap as long as you don't get out of hand.

If your looking for a cheap gun to shoot a .22, 9mm, or .38 are all good for just target shooting.
40 cal and 45 cal can get very exp to shoot at the ranges. a cheap box of 45 rounds is $12 - $15. Also the guns them selves are more exp.

My 45 was almost 1k, Para Ordnance Limitied P13 .45 ACP.
Most good indoor ranges will have a rifle lane, but its normally alittle shorter than an outdoor range.

If you purchase a hand gun from a store the gun will be registered in your name when you fill out the paper work involved. As for having a copy or anything like that with you It all depends on state laws. Something you should check into before even purchasing a gun.

Pilsburry · Post by **Pilsburry** » March 3, 2003, 5:26 pm

I kept getting a debug screen when I tried to post =/ I don't know what was causing that.

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"If you plan on impressing the 2 chicks i dont think a .22 would do the job "

Not trying to impress the chicks with a large gun, I didn't even want to own one, I wanted to rent, we just wanted to have a good time and teach them something new.

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As for small calibers good for beginners, I agree, and while I'm not a beginner my family and frends are...plus I know some shooting ranges aren't allowed to have large caliber weapons on them. I think the one I used in ROTC was limited to maybe .22

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Toshira, The one range withing 30mins drive of here I know of doesn't rent....that's my main issue or I would have been this weekend. Are you saying you've been to ones that rent? Maybe I should look into this more, perhaps there is a range nearby that isn't in the yellow pages that does rent.

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Thanks for your responses.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » March 3, 2003, 5:41 pm

A .22 is a fine target gun, but if that's gonna be your only gun, and you would like to actually stop an intruder rather than just piss the meth-head off, get at least a 9mm. Ammo is still really cheap, and you can take down something larger than a housecat.

Shaerra · Post by **Shaerra** » March 3, 2003, 5:42 pm

For small caliber guns that don't look like pea-shooters, try a .25 or a .380.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » March 3, 2003, 6:05 pm

9mm rounds are really cheap but teh gun qualities vary so wildly. how much would you be willing to spend on a handgun?

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » March 3, 2003, 6:09 pm

masteen wrote:..and you would like to actually stop an intruder rather than just piss the meth-head off..

You're better off with a pump shotgun for that, it's much cheaper than any decent pistol too. Dull finish Remington 870s were <$250 at WalMart last time I paid attention.

They had nice Ruger .22s too.

Nothing says "Get the hell out" better than a shotgun being cocked, it's a very distinctive noise

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » March 3, 2003, 6:13 pm

kyoukan type-R wrote:9mm rounds are really cheap but teh gun qualities vary so wildly. how much would you be willing to spend on a handgun?

Pawn shops are teh win for handguns (and power tools).

Shop around/haggle a bit and you can get next to new stuff for 30-40% of retail.

Shaerra · Post by **Shaerra** » March 3, 2003, 6:15 pm

Aabidano wrote:Nothing says "Get the hell out" better than a shotgun being cocked, it's a very distinctive noise

Amen to that.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » March 3, 2003, 6:23 pm

yech never buy a handgun at a pawn shop unless they let you fire a couple magazines first and you are a confident shot.

unless you are just going to use it to rob the 7-11 then by all means go for it.

Zamtuk · Post by **Zamtuk** » March 3, 2003, 6:27 pm

Aabidano wrote:Nothing says "Get the hell out" better than a shotgun being cocked, it's a very distinctive noise

Reminds me of that scene in Pulp Fiction.

Step aside Butch.

Pilsburry · Post by **Pilsburry** » March 3, 2003, 7:05 pm

I don't need it for home defense.

Most burglers wait for people to leave thier home to rob it, for someone to come inside here when I'm oviously home (My car in the driveway) they would have to either want to rape me or have something against me. If I'm not home then the caliber of gun in the closet that they stole from me has no bearing on my home defense situation.

I don't have any enemies, I don't think anyone is planing on raping me.....if by some chance they saw my car and still wanted to rob me...I do have a baseball bat and a butcher knife if I care to waste my life defending some 2 year old computers....

And I do have 2 attack kittens.

P.S. a .22 or 9mm will in fact stop most intruders..maybe 99%, without ever even having to fire a shot.

Fallanthas · Post by **Fallanthas** » March 3, 2003, 7:14 pm

Good call on the 1911, Kyou. Some machines just can't be improved without a radically new design.

I would go .22 myself. Cheap rounds, good accuracy at any sort of range you are going to shoot at a range. If you want to drive tacks, look at a Contender or something similar.

BTW, speaking of shotguns, does anyone know of a CLIP-fed pump? I always thought that would be the one to keep around the house, but I haven't been able to find one.

Demags · Post by **Demags** » March 3, 2003, 7:21 pm

From what im reading you just want a decent pistol for some target shooting, look into the ruger semi auto .22 pistols, not sure of the model number. They are very accurate (especially with the bull barrel), reliable, and inexpensive to shoot. They are not the cheapest handguns out there but are very good quality, last I saw them they were in the 250-300 dollar range. Could be a bit more these days its been a while.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » March 3, 2003, 9:05 pm

Dull finish Remington 870s were <$250 at WalMart last time I paid attention.

That's a whole other thread right there!

yech never buy a handgun at a pawn shop unless they let you fire a couple magazines first and you are a confident shot.

I hate to agree with Kyoukan here but unless you're an experienced gun-type person I'd probably avoid pawn shops for any type of firewarm purchase. Assuming they are even able to sell them in your area.

Toshira · Post by **Toshira** » March 3, 2003, 9:33 pm

Yes Pils. A couple places in the twin cities are actually gun stores with firing ranges in the basement. They generally have several different weapons to try. It's good business for them if they can match up a customer to a gun.

Kooky mentions a good point. Quality, not just in the firearm, but in the ammo. I bought some 9MM ammo from wal mart for my Glock and every bullet made the damn thing jam, with the bullet halfway into the chamber. Boy, that was fun work unloading it. For anything other than .22, I wouldn't buy the cheapest ammo you can buy.

Neost · Post by **Neost** » March 3, 2003, 9:34 pm

Weapons from pawn shops can come with an unsavory history. I'd be very careful in that regard.

And don't think for a second that somone won't come in your house with you there. I opened the door one night (Thanksgiving night, 1976) and two guys with a gun came shoving through the door. After they tied me and my Dad up, beat on him a little bit and almost shot him in the head, they ransacked our house. The cops figure they were going to shoot us both, but the gun was jammed pretty bad so they couldn't. It so happened that one of them had worked for my family's construction company and figured we recognized them. That was probably the most coherent thought they could muster since they were drunker'n cooter brown. Luckily they weren't capable of clearing the jam so they just left.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » March 3, 2003, 9:44 pm

Neost wrote:Weapons from pawn shops can come with an unsavory history. I'd be very careful in that regard.

And don't think for a second that somone won't come in your house with you there. I opened the door one night (Thanksgiving night, 1976) and two guys with a gun came shoving through the door. After they tied me and my Dad up, beat on him a little bit and almost shot him in the head, they ransacked our house. The cops figure they were going to shoot us both, but the gun was jammed pretty bad so they couldn't. It so happened that one of them had worked for my family's construction company and figured we recognized them. That was probably the most coherent thought they could muster since they were drunker'n cooter brown. Luckily they weren't capable of clearing the jam so they just left.

yeah but unless you answer the door with a gun in your hand that still would have happened. in fact they probably would have found your gun and shot you with that.

also, some people aren't prepared to shoot another person just for stealing their insured shit. I probably would but a lot wouldn't.

having a gun in the house cocked and ready to start owning isn't for everbody, and guns like that cause more accidents than crimes they prevent.

Quarkk · Post by **Quarkk** » March 3, 2003, 10:07 pm

Holy shit Neost

Did they get locked up? I hope so!

Masekle · Post by **Masekle** » March 4, 2003, 3:51 am

Zamtuk wrote:
Aabidano wrote:Nothing says "Get the hell out" better than a shotgun being cocked, it's a very distinctive noise
Reminds me of that scene in Pulp Fiction.

Step aside Butch.

HEY stay the fuck away from Pulp Fiction thats my spot.

I believe the toast popping up noise, had a more lasting effect.

DIPSHIT wrote: I am equally sure that Masekle is loving every minute of being on team Kyoukan.

Just so you know, I will team with ANYONE that calls your true colors. So bite me Assface =)

On topic: Nothing says fun louder than a colt 45 auto. You can get surplus ammo cheap as hell. If you do need to protect yourself, stopping power is good. If you hit em in the arm its likley to kill em.

When I was 9 years old my grandfather taught me how to reload. I used to take a 5 gallon bucket of reloads out behind the shop and cut down trees with it. Loads of fun for sure.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » March 4, 2003, 3:56 am

HEY stay the fuck away from Pulp Fiction thats my spot.

Yeah because God knows we've never had Pulp Fiction quotes around here. We're glad you're here to enlighten us.

Masekle · Post by **Masekle** » March 4, 2003, 3:58 am

Happy to oblige, anything else?

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » March 4, 2003, 9:46 am

Aslanna wrote: I hate to agree with Kyoukan here but unless you're an experienced gun-type person I'd probably avoid pawn shops for any type of firewarm purchase. Assuming they are even able to sell them in your area.

If you know what you're looking at it isn't an issue. If you don't you're better off buying new at a gun shop.

I picked my 70 series combat commander up at a pawn shop for $145, and a pretty much new PPK for $100. You'll ever see that at a gun shop.

Yes they could potentially have an unsavory history. There's not a lot I can do about that, keeping all the paperwork covers my butt.

The WalMarts, etc.. in Tampa city limits don't (can't?) sell firearms (or fishing bait), those out in the county do.

Masekle · Post by **Masekle** » March 4, 2003, 10:12 am

When the logging industry took a dive in Oregon a lot of out-of-work loggers pawned or sold their guns. Buying a gun at a pawnshop in oregon is a pretty safe practice as far as history of the weapon is concerned. Guns go through a pretty thorough check before they are resold here.

Neost · Post by **Neost** » March 4, 2003, 10:13 am

I was 16 years old when the home intrusion happened. I had no clue how to react and was quite stunned.

Today it would be a different story.

I do answer the door with a loaded Sig .45 within easy reach today. I swore on that day that I would never go through that shit again. Someone (be it me or thee, I don't care) is going to the morgue.

Those two guys did go to jail. The cops picked them up around 6am the next morning (of course it was AFTER they dumped our shotguns, etc). I lot a sweet Browning Sweet 16 w/poly choke and my Dad had a Remington 12 Gauge Goldtrigger. The guy that almost shot my Dad got 90 years, which was later commuted to 45 years. His brother, who accompanied him, got 45 years. The appeals court commuted the 90 years to 45 years citing a "heated and emotional 3 day trial" since we were considered a prominent family in the small town I'm from. Both were eligible for parole in 7 years, which was granted despite testimony from my family of the viciousness of the crime. My Dad had marks all over his face from the pattern on the bottom of one guys converse tennis shoes. They had him tied up in the floor and kicked the shit out of him numerous times.

Fortunately, one of them was granted an out-of-state parole and as far as I know has never returned to Arkansas. The other one was paroled in-state, but my guess is that he made numerous return trips to the state prison.

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