French History Lesson

Acies · Post by **Acies** » February 25, 2003, 8:08 pm

Actually, we are going to war against another nation if Shrub gets his way, the U.N. MAKES it their thing. One thing you blind sycophants (sp?) never seem to realize is that the U.S. does not make world policy by ourselves, as much as arrogance would dictate otherwise.
As for "defending a member of Nato", don't give me that shit. What, Israel? LOL, then tell me why are we not going to Palestine and stop the DIRECT threat that been there since day one?
Please answer that with reason, or stfu.
Thank you.

Acies · Post by **Acies** » February 25, 2003, 8:15 pm

Vetiria · Post by **Vetiria** » February 25, 2003, 8:48 pm

Acies wrote:Actually, we are going to war against another nation if Shrub gets his way, the U.N. MAKES it their thing. One thing you blind sycophants (sp?) never seem to realize is that the U.S. does not make world policy by ourselves, as much as arrogance would dictate otherwise.
As for "defending a member of Nato", don't give me that shit. What, Israel? LOL, then tell me why are we not going to Palestine and stop the DIRECT threat that been there since day one?
Please answer that with reason, or stfu.
Thank you.

Yay, know your facts before you post dumbass. Israel had nothing to do with it. Turkey did.

Acies · Post by **Acies** » February 25, 2003, 9:13 pm

Vetiria wrote:
Acies wrote:Actually, we are going to war against another nation if Shrub gets his way, the U.N. MAKES it their thing. One thing you blind sycophants (sp?) never seem to realize is that the U.S. does not make world policy by ourselves, as much as arrogance would dictate otherwise.
As for "defending a member of Nato", don't give me that shit. What, Israel? LOL, then tell me why are we not going to Palestine and stop the DIRECT threat that been there since day one?
Please answer that with reason, or stfu.
Thank you.
Yay, know your facts before you post dumbass. Israel had nothing to do with it. Turkey did.

I was making a guess based upon the word ally, in reference to proximity to Iraq.
But nice clarification there Ms. "let's make a vauge reference".
Care to back that up?

Vetiria · Post by **Vetiria** » February 25, 2003, 9:15 pm

Care to back what up? There is nothing to back up. At least try to make sense in your posts.

Acies · Post by **Acies** » February 25, 2003, 9:59 pm

Excuse me, I will spell it out for you.
Why do you think Turkey is threatened by Iraq? That IS what you are implying, yes?
BAck that ass up ho.

Vetiria · Post by **Vetiria** » February 25, 2003, 10:10 pm

Do your own research. I never said Turkey was threatened by Iraq.

Let's go over the history of this thread, shall we:

Masteen says France voted against protecting a country in the case Iraq were to strike that country. (Which is true.)

You assumed he was talking about Israel, and threw in your un-learned opinion on the matter.

I said it was not Israel, it was Turkey.

Lesson: You should really learn to read up on issues if you're going to argue that you are against them.

And BTW, just for future reference, NATO != UN.

Acies · Post by **Acies** » February 25, 2003, 10:33 pm

Vetiria wrote:Do your own research. I never said Turkey was threatened by Iraq.

Let's go over the history of this thread, shall we:

Masteen says France voted against protecting a country in the case Iraq were to strike that country. (Which is true.)

You assumed he was talking about Israel, and threw in your un-learned opinion on the matter.

I said it was not Israel, it was Turkey.

Lesson: You should really learn to read up on issues if you're going to argue that you are against them.

And BTW, just for future reference, NATO != UN.

Really, thats great and all. Especially the informative bit about NATO != UN LEIK OMG am I so unknowledgeable of policy made and changed in Truman's Presidency and after. Thank you for the update.

However, I am gonna tip my hat on this one. My tiredness has caused me to completely misconstrue some of Masteen's words...
Sorry Masteen. Feel Vindicated now.
Vetiria, you still suck

Forthe · Post by **Forthe** » February 25, 2003, 10:40 pm

I had no problem with France's stance on "defending" Turkey. A nation that allows an attack to be launched from it's territory is an aggressor, even if they are being paid for it

. A nice spin tho passing it off as a defensive meassure.

Acies · Post by **Acies** » February 25, 2003, 10:42 pm

Wait wait, you are telling me that the US wants to send troops there, have turkey attack Iraq and when Iraq counter attacks, we molest them like red headed step-children in the name of "defense"?

Vetiria · Post by **Vetiria** » February 25, 2003, 10:47 pm

Acies wrote:However, I am gonna tip my hat on this one. My tiredness has caused me to completely misconstrue some of Masteen's words...
Sorry Masteen. Feel Vindicated now.
Vetiria, you still suck

Thank you, and you still need to read up on issues before you take a stance on it. For example, the 2nd time on this thread you've talked out of your ass:

Acies wrote:Wait wait, you are telling me that the US wants to send troops there, have turkey attack Iraq and when Iraq counter attacks, we molest them like red headed step-children in the name of "defense"?

masteen · Post by **masteen** » February 25, 2003, 10:49 pm

Acies, because you're clearly a very "special" person, I'll spell it out for you:

Last week, Turkey (a member of NATO) requested that NATO (not the UN) help them beef up their defenses because of increasing tensions with their neighbor Iraq. The French, in their capacity as a member of NATO, vetoed Turkey's request.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » February 25, 2003, 10:53 pm

turkey only did that because turkey always fucking whines about the kurds in northern iraq. turkey needs to nato protection from the kurds about as much as japan does. I'm glad they got their greedy whining fucking asses veto'd because they are a worthless welfare nation.

turkey's idea of defense is help in shooting any kurd that comes within range of their stupid border.

Acies · Post by **Acies** » February 25, 2003, 10:56 pm

masteen wrote:Acies, because you're clearly a very "special" person, I'll spell it out for you:

Last week, Turkey (a member of NATO) requested that NATO (not the UN) help them beef up their defenses because of increasing tensions with their neighbor Iraq. The French, in their capacity as a member of NATO, vetoed Turkey's request.

Making more sense now.
So basically, Bush can't get where we wants to go, but would be willing to live vicariously through Turkey? Or do you think that seriously, they want to beef up Turkey for completely defense related reasons, just in the instance that Iraq marched across three, maybe four countries and under the scrutiny of the WORLD to get there? Fuckin Saddam must have l33t Ninja troopers or somethin' to avoid notice of 100+ military satelites, recon, french spy planes, etc.
You seem equally as "special" if you cannot see why France said fuck off to this. However, I have not slept in over 30 hours.
What is your excuse?

Vetiria · Post by **Vetiria** » February 25, 2003, 11:01 pm

Acies wrote:
masteen wrote:Acies, because you're clearly a very "special" person, I'll spell it out for you:

Last week, Turkey (a member of NATO) requested that NATO (not the UN) help them beef up their defenses because of increasing tensions with their neighbor Iraq. The French, in their capacity as a member of NATO, vetoed Turkey's request.
Making more sense now.
So basically, Bush can't get where we wants to go, but would be willing to live vicariously through Turkey? Or do you think that seriously, they want to beef up Turkey for completely defense related reasons, just in the instance that Iraq marched across three, maybe four countries and under the scrutiny of the WORLD to get there? Fuckin Saddam must have l33t Ninja troopers or somethin' to avoid notice of 100+ military satelites, recon, french spy planes, etc.
You seem equally as "special" if you cannot see why France said fuck off to this. However, I have not slept in over 30 hours.
What is your excuse?

One person cannot be this stupid, can they? Iraq borders Turkey. How many times does it have to be said: read up on the issues at hand before trying to put in your useless opinion on the matter.

Here, a map for you. Maybe this will start you out on your journey to being educated.

Acies · Post by **Acies** » February 25, 2003, 11:09 pm

Ah, okay, well then, minus the three country thing and apply the rest.
In fact, can you answer one question directly Vetria? Or do you always have to comment from the sidelines, nit-picking at one issue?

Vetiria · Post by **Vetiria** » February 25, 2003, 11:12 pm

You're not posting any questions to answer. My opinion on whether or not Iraq is a danger to Turkey is irrelivent. At least I know what I'm talking about. You cannot say the same. Yet you keep making posts reguarding the matter.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » February 25, 2003, 11:15 pm

The Kurds crossing the border into Turkey might not be the biggest threat, but the asshole forcing them to move is. The whole reason we put up the northern no-fly zone in Iraq back in '91 was to protect Turkey. Now that we know that Hussein has missiles that can reach them, is it so unreasonable for the Turks to request aid?

masteen · Post by **masteen** » February 25, 2003, 11:16 pm

I'm fucking double-licious!

Acies · Post by **Acies** » February 25, 2003, 11:16 pm

Hmm. I think I will quote you:

Vetiria wrote:One person cannot be this stupid, can they?

Look up six posts from this one, and try again with the, "what question?" routine.
Spelled out for you:

Question one!
So basically, Bush can't get where we wants to go, but would be willing to live vicariously through Turkey?

Question two!
Or do you think that seriously, they want to beef up Turkey for completely defense related reasons, just in the instance that Iraq marched across ((three, maybe four countries)Edit this to just Iraq as per your last few posts) and under the scrutiny of the WORLD to get there?

Bearing in mind you missed these questions, I have a third.

Question three!
However, I have not slept in over 30 hours.
What is your excuse?

Vetiria · Post by **Vetiria** » February 25, 2003, 11:19 pm

Acies wrote:Hmm. I think I will quote you:

Vetiria wrote:One person cannot be this stupid, can they?
Look up five posts from this one, and try again with the, "what question?" routine.
Spelled out for you:

Question one!
So basically, Bush can't get where we wants to go, but would be willing to live vicariously through Turkey?

Question two!
Or do you think that seriously, they want to beef up Turkey for completely defense related reasons, just in the instance that Iraq marched across three, maybe four countries and under the scrutiny of the WORLD to get there?

Bearing in mind you missed these questions, I have a third.

Question three!
However, I have not slept in over 30 hours.
What is your excuse?

Considering those aren't valid questions because they are made up out of your own little mind without knowing the topic at hand, I had no reason to answer them.

Acies · Post by **Acies** » February 25, 2003, 11:24 pm

OMG you are such a fucking tard'...
/sigh
Grow up and quit pouching off others flames, or learn to be willing at least to back up the shit you start with some answers. Until then:
STFU

Vetiria · Post by **Vetiria** » February 25, 2003, 11:29 pm

Acies wrote:OMG you are such a fucking tard'...
/sigh
Grow up and quit pouching off others flames, or learn to be willing at least to back up the shit you start with some answers. Until then:
STFU

Pouching off others flames? What shit did I start? Next time learn to know about the topic at hand before you try to throw in your opinion on the matter. All I did was correct your ignorance. I never put my opinion in on the matter. My opinion is irrelivent, as I said before.

Maybe it is just the sleep making you so stupid. Go get some sleep then come back and see the idiocy you've posted.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » February 26, 2003, 12:15 am

masteen wrote:The Kurds crossing the border into Turkey might not be the biggest threat, but the asshole forcing them to move is. The whole reason we put up the northern no-fly zone in Iraq back in '91 was to protect Turkey. Now that we know that Hussein has missiles that can reach them, is it so unreasonable for the Turks to request aid?

huh

in a military confrontation, turkey would fucking obliterate iraq.

the no fly zone is to protect the kurds from baghdad after the failure of the US backed kurdish uprising after the gulf war.. more american meddling in foreign affairs.

Forthe · Post by **Forthe** » February 26, 2003, 12:47 am

kyoukan type-R wrote:
masteen wrote:The Kurds crossing the border into Turkey might not be the biggest threat, but the asshole forcing them to move is. The whole reason we put up the northern no-fly zone in Iraq back in '91 was to protect Turkey. Now that we know that Hussein has missiles that can reach them, is it so unreasonable for the Turks to request aid?
huh

in a military confrontation, turkey would fucking obliterate iraq.

the no fly zone is to protect the kurds from baghdad after the failure of the US backed kurdish uprising after the gulf war.. more american meddling in foreign affairs.

Seems the US may have sold those same Kurds out to Turkey. Not confirmed AFAIK but part of the agreement with Turkey allows them to move troops into Northern Iraq. I predict when the Turks and Kurds meet they will join together frolicking around a camp fire and singing songs together. I could be wrong though.

Fallanthas · Post by **Fallanthas** » February 26, 2003, 1:00 am

I'm glad they got their greedy whining fucking asses veto'd because they are a worthless welfare nation.

Agreed. Had Turkey not decided to try and extort an obscene amount of money fromt he U.S. to move troops through their country, they would not need U.N. assistance against Iraq.

Makes em look pretty fucking stupid to turn away 65,000 troops, then ask for help.

Xyun · Post by **Xyun** » February 26, 2003, 3:08 am

What does defending a member of NATO have to do with the war? This is not a UN thing.

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Turkey would not need help for defense or offense if the US was not invading Iraq. Kapish?

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » February 26, 2003, 6:48 am

http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_75 ... s.quirkies

Xyun · Post by **Xyun** » February 26, 2003, 8:38 am

He says Germans will be allowed in if their country joins a war on Iraq, but the French will have to endure a lifetime ban.

ROFL

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » February 26, 2003, 10:29 am

http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_749545.html

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » February 26, 2003, 10:43 am

Forthe wrote:I had no problem with France's stance on "defending" Turkey. A nation that allows an attack to be launched from it's territory is an aggressor, even if they are being paid for it . A nice spin tho passing it off as a defensive meassure.

It does not matter!!! Like France can defend its self let alone Turkey.