French History Lesson

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » February 21, 2003, 5:48 pm

Fallanthas wrote:This thread just met the criteria for a move to the retard section.

yes it has, hasn't it

Atokal · Post by **Atokal** » February 21, 2003, 6:22 pm

Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:I want to get this straight.....now the U.S. is the bad guy for staying out of a European war until we were attacked? Make up your mind Forthe. Either we should start early and eradicate the problem before it starts of we let people handle their own shit. Which is you fucking hypocrite?

Don't expect this tard (Forthe) to answer you Kil.

btw as to the french bastards I seem to recall a certain high profile frenchie coming to Canada during a time of strife with the Quebecers and stirring the fucking pot. Charles Degaulle (sp). Perhaps you google types could look this one up.
As to them helping with the USA war of independence, well, they did this only so they could take shots at the British.

Da Tabernac.

Forthe · Post by **Forthe** » February 21, 2003, 11:02 pm

Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:I want to get this straight.....now the U.S. is the bad guy for staying out of a European war until we were attacked? Make up your mind Forthe. Either we should start early and eradicate the problem before it starts of we let people handle their own shit. Which is you fucking hypocrite?

I have said before on this board that I respect any nations right to get involved outside its borders or not when aid is requested, regardless of the moral implications. My reaction is to the hypocracy I percieve when arrogant americans, hopefully not as many as the media would have me believe, act like France should bend over in undying gratitude to its saviours the US and ignore the fact that the US sat back and watched the show when Germany stormed its ally. It wasn't all "good", nor was it all "bad". I addressed both points along with pointing out France only ever mentions the "good" and never the "bad".

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » February 22, 2003, 1:17 am

Well since Saudi Arabia and Kuwait are our allies, I would like to know why you are so vehemently opposed to the U.S. trying to get this evil dictator removed that has already invaded one of them. Should we wait til he nas nuked someone this time?

Seriously, why don't you put out some rules here so I can get in my pickup truck with the confederate flag license plate and the gun rack and drive on down to my summit with Gee Dubya in Arkansas where we will knock back a few Pabst Blue Ribbons and kill animals and some of them colored people.

You need to make up your mind man. You can't have this shit both ways. You either stop a madman before he really fucks someone up or you just turn your head and let the countries who are under attack deal with it. We turned our head the first couple times and most of Europe got the ass beat. Now we have the same shitheads in the Middle East and we want to stop it before we have to fucking recover France again and all of a sudden you spout shit out both sides of your head. For the record, I don't give a flying fuck about the Frenchies if they don't want to climb on board in a war there. But if they don't, I would say we never support those fuckers if and when they get invaded again. Let them be a new goddamn capital city of whoever takes them over next. I am sure they were grateful to the U.S for helping liberate them. That does not bring back the thousands of lives that U.S. soldiers lost defending them. All we ask for is them supporting the U.N. and the resolutions that WERE ALREADY FUCKING PASSED by the U.N. If they can't do that then they need to be removed.

Forthe · Post by **Forthe** » February 22, 2003, 1:50 am

Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:I am sure they were grateful to the U.S for helping liberate them. That does not bring back the thousands of lives that U.S. soldiers lost defending them.

You seem to miss the logic here. How many lives did the allies loose during the first part of the war defending you? Would the US have been able to build up it's industry without that wall between it and Germany? The US came in fresh and saved the day. You also have to recognize that the allies made that possible.

Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:All we ask for is them supporting the U.N. and the resolutions that WERE ALREADY FUCKING PASSED by the U.N. If they can't do that then they need to be removed.

If Iraq does something, then screw them. If the inspectors come back and say they aren't making any progress, screw em. But this pre-emptive foreign policy is a piece of shit. Maybe if we had precogs and jetpacks but at the moment our future telling abilities are no better than a call to a psychic hotline.

And if you are going to bitch at the UN to be tough on resolutions I'll once again mention the resolutions that Israel has been ignoring for half a century or its occupation of palestine that don't seem to merit discussion let alone invasion. We only enforce resolutions that benefit us?

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » February 22, 2003, 2:08 am

Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:Well since Saudi Arabia and Kuwait are our allies.

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Hammerstalker PE · Post by **Hammerstalker PE** » February 24, 2003, 2:42 am

Krimson you really are a fucking Moron. WWI Canada was first to send troops to Europe to help stop the Germans. WWII Canada participated far earlier than the USA and you might want to read up on a little place called Dieppe. On D-Day Canada moved further and faster than any USA troops and pushed the German lines well back from the shores of France.

Oh and 1812 we burned your fucking White House Moron.

Now having said that I completely disagree with Kyoukan and her stance on US foriegn policy.

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » February 24, 2003, 11:06 am

"Oh and 1812 we burned your fucking White House Moron"

We let ya for the Insurance Pay out

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » February 24, 2003, 11:19 am

Hammerstalker PE wrote:Krimson you really are a fucking Moron. WWI Canada was first to send troops to Europe to help stop the Germans. WWII Canada participated far earlier than the USA and you might want to read up on a little place called Dieppe. On D-Day Canada moved further and faster than any USA troops and pushed the German lines well back from the shores of France.

Oh and 1812 we burned your fucking White House Moron.

Now having said that I completely disagree with Kyoukan and her stance on US foriegn policy.

Thanks for the complements. I know all of Canadas accomplishments during the past century, as well as Americas. The point I was trying to make was what has Canada done militarily that warrants Kyoukan to put Americas military to shame? For every military accomplishment you guys have made, we have two. I suppose me thinking Americas military has had a greater positive impact on world events than Canadas makes me a moron though, cool. Canada is quite the Juggernaut that warrants Kyoukan to belittle Americas military achievements, I see how this works now.

Oh, and I asked for Canadas military accomplishments over the past century when ships were actually made of, you know, steel and stuff...not two centuries ago (1812). But hey, it's been established that I am the moron here, not you, so please stop encroaching on my moron-dom.

Wulfran · Post by **Wulfran** » February 24, 2003, 2:45 pm

For every military accomplishment you guys have made, we have two.

whoop de fucking doo

does that mean since your military is 100 times larger than Canada's that the US military is 50 times more inefficient?

I generally have sympathy for the point that Kilmoll brings up: the USA is damned if they and damned if they don't on many occasions. The dick waving you (Krimson) are attempting just makes you look like an asshole.

The point I was trying to make was what has Canada done militarily that warrants Kyoukan to put Americas military to shame?

Part of what you see from Kyou is her own philosophy. Part of what you see is resentment fromt he rest of the world of the misplaced attitude that the US "saved everyone else's asses" in WW1 and WW2. Their help was pivotal, but its not like the US won either of these wars alone. Hell, with 1 Canadian and 2 British of the 5 landings on D Day, the US was actually a minority partner...

ironic in a way the way the roles have changed, in terms of who is ready to go to war first...

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » February 24, 2003, 2:57 pm

military accomplishments mean dick fucking all to me. I was merely pointing out that your "unstoppable war machine" hasn't really won jack shit. You had to nuke Japan and wipe out their civilian population, korea still went communist in the north, the VietNamese fucking embarassed you. Christ even a bunch of starving somalis kicked your ass out. Yeah grats on that gulf war where most of your casualties were the US army shooting each other like a bunch of keystone kops.

Before you go making fun of france because they don't unilaterally support Bush's oil grab in the middle east, try and remember that they have been an empire for hundreds of years through right of conquest where the USA was just "hey here is a bunch of land we found. All you have to do is murder a few thousand indians!"

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » February 24, 2003, 3:31 pm

kyoukan type-R wrote:military accomplishments mean dick fucking all to me. I was merely pointing out that your "unstoppable war machine" hasn't really won jack shit. You had to nuke Japan and wipe out their civilian population, korea still went communist in the north, the VietNamese fucking embarassed you. Christ even a bunch of starving somalis kicked your ass out. Yeah grats on that gulf war where most of your casualties were the US army shooting each other like a bunch of keystone kops.

Before you go making fun of france because they don't unilaterally support Bush's oil grab in the middle east, try and remember that they have been an empire for hundreds of years through right of conquest where the USA was just "hey here is a bunch of land we found. All you have to do is murder a few thousand indians!"

REVISIONIST HISTORY! CAPS CAPS CAPS!

Toshira · Post by **Toshira** » February 24, 2003, 3:38 pm

Japan wasn't nuked, for the record, Kooky.

Edit: My bad. Japan was bombed with atomic bombs, but these are just a subset of nuclear bombs. I was thinking nuclear was hydrogen while atomic was plutonium or uranium.

Pahreyia · Post by **Pahreyia** » February 24, 2003, 3:42 pm

Toshira wrote:Japan wasn't nuked, for the record, Kooky.

?!?

I'd sure like to see you expound on that one. I don't agree with Kyoukan's attitude about the American war machine, but taken from her perspective, it's at the very least a substantiated point of view.

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » February 24, 2003, 3:44 pm

Hammerstalker PE wrote:Oh and 1812 we burned your fucking White House Moron.

No you didn't

2cp to whoever can tell me what color it was then

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » February 24, 2003, 3:49 pm

kyoukan type-R wrote:All you have to do is murder a few thousand indians!"

And they gave the world tobacco, I think they're ahead in the death toll..

I'm joking to those of you whose panties just whistled up you butt

Pahreyia · Post by **Pahreyia** » February 24, 2003, 3:50 pm

Aabidano wrote: I'm joking to those of you whose panties just whistled up you butt

LOL

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » February 24, 2003, 3:58 pm

The American Indians were never fully defeated by the U.S. government either. The Seminole tribes were supposed to be forcefully removed from Florida and placed on reservations elsewhere. The government gave up trying and just left them there.

As for Vietnam, the U.S. government would not allow us to "win" that war. We definitely could have kicked the living hell out of North Vietnam if it had been declared a war by Congress. Personally, I don't think the U.S. should have been in that country to start with, but if you send our boys out you had damn well better let them take care of business and not fuck them like we did there. Somalia was the same damn thing. We are too fucking politically correct to finish solving the problems.

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » February 24, 2003, 3:59 pm

kyoukan type-R wrote: Before you go making fun of france because they don't unilaterally support Bush's oil grab in the middle east, try and remember that they have been an empire for hundreds of years through right of conquest where the USA was just "hey here is a bunch of land we found. All you have to do is murder a few thousand indians!"

Ok not only do I disagree with everything you said, but I challenge you to quote me on this thread where I *made fun of France because they don't unilaterally support Bush's oil grab*. Go ahead, do your search, and prove me wrong. This is the part where you say you don't have to (after you find nothing in your search of course) and proceed to use caps and call me some more names. Sweet.

And for the record, America did not start colonization, Europe did, so go wave your self righteous flag at them. I hate what happened to the Indians though no matter how I slice it. The only people that have nothing to be ashamed of as far as conquering other peoples is the muslims, who actually integrated conquered people into their society and treated them as equals...sort of the original melting pot of commerce, science, technology, and culture.

Metanis · Post by **Metanis** » February 24, 2003, 5:25 pm

kyoukan type-R wrote:military accomplishments mean dick fucking all to me. I was merely pointing out that your "unstoppable war machine" hasn't really won jack shit. You had to nuke Japan and wipe out their civilian population, korea still went communist in the north, the VietNamese fucking embarassed you. Christ even a bunch of starving somalis kicked your ass out. Yeah grats on that gulf war where most of your casualties were the US army shooting each other like a bunch of keystone kops.

Before you go making fun of france because they don't unilaterally support Bush's oil grab in the middle east, try and remember that they have been an empire for hundreds of years through right of conquest where the USA was just "hey here is a bunch of land we found. All you have to do is murder a few thousand indians!"

Kooky, are you really as ignorant as this? I mean how much of this poo do you truly believe and how much is hyperbole? Do you believe your own lies? Where do you buy your medication? I hear Canadian's get great prices on meds...

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » February 24, 2003, 5:38 pm

wow you sure owned me. I can hardly find any holes in your counter-argument.

Metanis · Post by **Metanis** » February 24, 2003, 5:44 pm

kyoukan type-R wrote:wow you sure owned me. I can hardly find any holes in your counter-argument.

Kooky! Logic here! You need to present an argument in order for me to make a counter-argument.

You weren't presenting an argument, you threw some shit up on the wall.

The only "counter" is a fire hose to wash it away. Can you smell your own shit? I guess not.

Post by **Xouqoa** » February 24, 2003, 5:46 pm

wtf did kooky come from?

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » February 24, 2003, 5:54 pm

Xouqoa wrote:wtf did kooky come from?

Her name is a Bitch to spell

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » February 24, 2003, 5:54 pm

its a hilarious play on my name by people far more creative than I could ever be.

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » February 24, 2003, 5:58 pm

kyoukan type-R wrote:its a hilarious play on my name by people far more creative than I could ever be.

I think its a cute Pet name

Post by **Xouqoa** » February 24, 2003, 6:10 pm

kyoukan type-R wrote:its a hilarious play on my name by people far more creative than I could ever be.

It's okay. Keep trying, you'll get there one day. *friendly pat on the back*

Xyphir · Post by **Xyphir** » February 24, 2003, 6:31 pm

[quote="Millie]To its credit, the United States has been a single, more or less stable government since its inception. It has survived without coup or revolution ever since declaring sovereignty from Britain. One could safely call today's U.S. the same nation as the original U.S. One can't say the same for France.[/quote]

The US is certainly not the same nation it was when we succeeded from GB. Slavery was abolished, women were given sufferage (still confused why they want sufferage), blacks were given rights, and the 60's sparked a revolution unlike any other. Our society has changed from manufacturing based to service based. We don't rely on slaves or small families to produce our agriculture. Instead, we rely heavily on big industry to bring food to our table. No coups? What about the war against northern agression (Civil War to you yankees)? I just can't agree.

Post by **Xouqoa** » February 24, 2003, 8:11 pm

A coup is when the goverment is overthrown. The Civil War was not a result of a coup. It was the result of states ceded illegally (per the Constitution) from the Union and set up their own government. The original government from the US stayed in power.

Xyun · Post by **Xyun** » February 24, 2003, 9:41 pm

French bashing never gets old. It has been going on in my own house for years. My brother and my roommate continually bash France. Personally, I love the French.

Maybe they have a weak will which entails a weak military, and that is why they lose all their wars. But it is French philosophy and the French way of thinking that has evolved faster than any other culture. Rene DeCartes epitomizes this idea. The French revolution was one of the most significant turning points in world history because of how it pushed the idea of democracy to the forefront of political thought. This had not been practiced for over a thousand years, since the beginning of the Roman Empire. In fact, many of the Founding Fathers of the USA spent quite a bit of time studying extensively in France. The American Revolution immediately followed the French Revolution, and it could be argued that our system of government was in fact conceived in France.

The major faux pas (french) in many people's minds is that they use military might for a measuring stick of a nation's impact on the world. But might does NOT make right, never has, never will. Any madman (read Hitler, Stalin, Hussein) can amass an army and go willy-nilly on their neighbors. When told that the Pope opposed him, Stalin replied "and how many legions does the pope have?" If this ideology was not prevalent, countries like France, Canada, and Sweden would have a lot more respect in the world today.

You can bash France to your heart's content, but it will not change the fact that they are a noble people, and do what they believe is right. France, more than any other country, understands the consequences of imperialism, and that is precisely why they are not jumping on the "invade Iraq" bandwagon. The French have not lost sight of their morals and their history as America has done.

I remember when I was a kid when I first came to America. I remember being awestruck and inspired by the Statue of Liberty and its meaning. The statue and everything it stands for was given to America by France. How quickly and easily we forget the little details of history when our thoughts are preoccupied with war.

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » February 24, 2003, 9:53 pm

I *MAY* be wrong but i think the american revolution happend just before the french revolution Xyun

Xyun · Post by **Xyun** » February 24, 2003, 10:16 pm

yeah, you are right. French revolution was in 1789, a decade or two after the American revolution.

However, it is still true that some of the founding fathers were in France immediately prior to US revolution, and they shared ideas with french philosophes of the time.

Estrosiath · Post by **Estrosiath** » February 25, 2003, 1:08 am

Disclaimer : This is first hand experience... I've been living in France for thirteen years now. I am NOT French

( okay, I'm Belgian, might not make much of a difference for you... We lost even more than the French did

) ...and...

Couple things that are true. They certainly aren't very clean. Go to a supermarket, and it's not uncommon you can smell the person in front of you ( It doesn't ALWAYS happen, but it's frequent enough to mention it ). They chose De Gaulle as their representative ( lil run down on this guy : grunt that fled France and broadcasted radio from England, and that then was seen by the French population as their savior... sad, isn't it? ) a man who had just about NO clue on how to deal with crisis in other countries...

Troubles in Québec... Know what he said? 'Vive le Québec libre!' ( Long live Free Québec ), same thing in Algeria ( old french colony ) 'Français, je vous ai compris' ( French, I understood you ) - and two years later, after a long and bloody independence war, all the french habitants of Algeria had to leave the country with nothing, only to be met with a very cool attitude back at home. Way to go... Amazing grasp of politics, don't you think?

This said. As an European, I, for once, am totally with the French government ( and mine, since Belgium sided with them ) on the Irak issue.

Just thought I'd add this, since this was on French history

Wulfran · Post by **Wulfran** » February 25, 2003, 3:21 am

Xyun have you ever heard of the Magna Carta? Its the precursor to most modern constitutions, as it was the first document (post Rome) that limited the powers of the Crown and gave landowners rights to protect them from the Crown. The English started practicing a form of limited democracy about 5-600 years before your beloved French.

You use the gong show called the French Revolution as a heroic example of democracy, yet in reality it was fucked up as only the French can: they went from a monarchy, to a people's republic, to a dictatorship (which set out to conquer the fucking world), back to a (brief) monarchy, back to the dictatorship (which again wanted to conquer the world), back to the present day Republic. Highlighting the "democracies" were the policies of such great minds as Richelieu and the rise to stardom of the guillotine.

That they were an imperial power is undeniable but so were the Spanish, the Dutch, the Germans, the Portugese, the English and others, so they hardly hold a monopoly in that regard. As far as the strength of their empire, they lost it in large part (not relinquished it of their own accord). When you look at former colonies, whose are more sucessful at attaining, and maintaining their own status: countries like Libya, Algeria and Iraq or countries like Canada, Australia and New Zealand (and yes there were some abyssmal failures inthe British colonies as well)?

You can bash France to your heart's content, but it will not change the fact that they are a noble people, and do what they believe is right. France, more than any other country, understands the consequences of imperialism, and that is precisely why they are not jumping on the "invade Iraq" bandwagon. The French have not lost sight of their morals and their history as America has done.

Believe your little myths about the "nobility" of the French people if you want, but don't spout them unless you want to face the truth. Hell, Jacques Chirac campaigned initially by appealing to French nationalists about bringing back France's "glory" (remember those lil nukes he set off in the South Pacific a few years back?). The French are just people, with strengths and flaws like everyone else. The policies of their government aren't a result of higher understanding: they are plans to look out for the interests of their citizens, FIRST AND FOREMOST, just like every other government.

Hammerstalker PE · Post by **Hammerstalker PE** » February 25, 2003, 5:01 am

Well said Wulfran!

Zamtuk · Post by **Zamtuk** » February 25, 2003, 6:02 am

Hammerstalker said it best.

Atokal · Post by **Atokal** » February 25, 2003, 10:46 am

Krimson Klaw wrote: The only people that have nothing to be ashamed of as far as conquering other peoples is the muslims, who actually integrated conquered people into their society and treated them as equals...sort of the original melting pot of commerce, science, technology, and culture.

I suppose all the murders attributed to this "religion" are not in the history books you read? How many of these "conquered" people wanted to be integrated into their society?
I am sorry your statement is so lame it defies description.

Muslim = Religion
So not a real comparison when put up against The USA, France etc. which as we all know are countries.

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » February 25, 2003, 11:04 am

Krimson Klaw wrote: The only people that have nothing to be ashamed of as far as conquering other peoples is the muslims, who actually integrated conquered people into their society and treated them as equals...sort of the original melting pot of commerce, science, technology, and culture.

Are you referring to the Ottoman Turks? If so, that wasn't a religious regime, it was a political one.

There were large sophisticated cultures/countries in the middle east during the european dark ages. The base of renisance science and mathmatics came from there. And then they disintegrated into barbarism as western europe left it.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » February 25, 2003, 2:18 pm

Metanis wrote:
kyoukan type-R wrote:wow you sure owned me. I can hardly find any holes in your counter-argument.
Kooky! Logic here! You need to present an argument in order for me to make a counter-argument.

You weren't presenting an argument, you threw some shit up on the wall.

The only "counter" is a fire hose to wash it away. Can you smell your own shit? I guess not.

Do you honestly think that anyone besides yourself is buying that

Gurugurumaki · Post by **Gurugurumaki** » February 25, 2003, 2:19 pm

Buy what...some pie?

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » February 25, 2003, 2:38 pm

Actually, most people here realize you are full of shit. They just want in your pants and won't call you on your ridiculous statements.

Fazzar · Post by **Fazzar** » February 25, 2003, 2:43 pm

"We burned your white house in 1812"
umm...it's been a while since high school history, but wasn't it predominately the British we were fighting? Not Canadians. Although, I guess Canada was a territory of England (not strong enough to gain independence like America, I guess), so maybe just semantics?

Xyun · Post by **Xyun** » February 25, 2003, 5:39 pm

Xyun wrote:The major faux pas (french) in many people's minds is that they use military might for a measuring stick of a nation's impact on the world.

Thanks for proving my point Wulf. I could give a rat's fuckin ass about how powerful the french military and/or government has been in the past. At this point in time, meaning currently, or right now, the French are right and the Americans are wrong.

Maybe this little fact is what makes you people zealous about insulting them. My point in my previous post and in this one, is that French philosophy has earned my respect.

Millie · Post by **Millie** » February 25, 2003, 5:53 pm

Xyphir wrote:The US is certainly not the same nation it was when we succeeded from GB. Slavery was abolished, women were given sufferage (still confused why they want sufferage), blacks were given rights, and the 60's sparked a revolution unlike any other. Our society has changed from manufacturing based to service based. We don't rely on slaves or small families to produce our agriculture. Instead, we rely heavily on big industry to bring food to our table.

What you're referring to are social and economic changes, not changes in government.

Xyphir wrote:No coups? What about the war against northern agression (Civil War to you yankees)? I just can't agree.

I think Xouqoa said it best. I won't retread on his dismantling of your argument. Suffice it to say that the U.S. has never suffered a successful coup, and that despite whatever social progress has been made, the same governmental structure is in place now that was in place in 1776.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » February 25, 2003, 5:54 pm

Teh French aren't right; they're full of shit. They cockblocked a valid request for defense of a NATO member for no other reason to be difficult. Suck some more uncircumcised frog penis, could you?

Acies · Post by **Acies** » February 25, 2003, 6:18 pm

masteen wrote:Teh French aren't right; they're full of shit. They cockblocked a valid request for defense of a NATO member for no other reason to be difficult. Suck some more uncircumcised frog penis, could you?

Hm, validate the war effort unequivocally before the world, could you? What is with you sheep anyway?

masteen · Post by **masteen** » February 25, 2003, 6:53 pm

Acies wrote:
masteen wrote:Teh French aren't right; they're full of shit. They cockblocked a valid request for defense of a NATO member for no other reason to be difficult. Suck some more uncircumcised frog penis, could you?
Hm, validate the war effort unequivocally before the world, could you? What is with you sheep anyway?

What does defending a member of NATO have to do with the war? This is not a UN thing.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » February 25, 2003, 7:57 pm

why do you people constantly draw parallels between the french and the french government, but when I hate on the bush administration I am some bloodthirsty US hater?

chriac and his lackeys in the UN and NATO don't equate the will of the people adequately in french foreign policy. but obviously ALL OF FRANCE are a bunch of dirt bags because of it. yeah right.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » February 25, 2003, 8:04 pm

OK, I hate the French people because they are stinky, elitist pissants who think that making wine and cheese are the pinnacles of civilization.

I hate the French gov't because they are well-manicured, elitist pissants who throw tantrums in global forums.

I hate you because you are teh Canadian, and all Canadians are the debil!

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » February 25, 2003, 8:07 pm

outside paris most french people are very down to earth and civil, and incredibly well mannered people.