Who makes a better SK?

Ninuen · Post by **Ninuen** » February 20, 2003, 3:37 am

I couldnt decide for myself.
Ogre: High ATK, Low AC, High HP, Low Mana
Dark Elf: Low ATK, High AC, Low HP, High Mana
Iksar: Low ATK, High AC, Fair HP, Fair Mana
Which do you think is better in the high end game?

Jice Virago · Post by **Jice Virago** » February 20, 2003, 3:46 am

Best SK race isnt even on your list-

Erudite- No race XP penalty, Best INT, widest selection of gear, and best starting city.

Ninuen · Post by **Ninuen** » February 20, 2003, 3:47 am

crap melee stats though.

Bojangels · Post by **Bojangels** » February 20, 2003, 3:48 am

Not to mention coolest looking.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » February 20, 2003, 3:48 am

stats? what game are you playing?

Drolgin Steingrinder · February 20, 2003, 5:08 am

High atk? You mean higher strength? Strength matters dick, the only things an Ogre has going for him are: Higher Sta and hence better HP until you get to a point where your stats are maxed anyway and the immunity to frontal stuns.

Personally I'd go with style or fun factor were I to start an SK. Your melee stats in the end game will be maxed anyway. Since you can't be a dorf, I'd go with Gnome, DE or Erudite.

Quarkk · Post by **Quarkk** » February 20, 2003, 8:05 am

Only one correct answer to this poll, and it's not listed!

GNOME

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » February 20, 2003, 9:49 am

Erudites are definately the coolest looking race in plate. Since starting stats are fairly irrelevant with buffs and gear, pick what you like.

Gnomes are for BBQing and punting, not playing.

Gurugurumaki · Post by **Gurugurumaki** » February 20, 2003, 10:09 am

Who foking cares about SK rearly?

miir · Post by **miir** » February 20, 2003, 10:18 am

Erudite, end of story.

Drolgin Steingrinder · February 20, 2003, 10:39 am

Erudite Paladins, on the other hand, are completely gimp.

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » February 20, 2003, 10:46 am

No luv for the purple love lizard.

/cry

masteen · Post by **masteen** » February 20, 2003, 10:56 am

Iksar regen is a pretty sweet feature, and their selection of armor isn't really that limited.

Drolgin Steingrinder · February 20, 2003, 10:56 am

Quiet, handbag! Or is it belt? Shoes? I can't tell you all apart...

miir · Post by **miir** » February 20, 2003, 10:56 am

Drolgin Steingrinder wrote:Erudite Paladins, on the other hand, are completely gimp.

/agree

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » February 20, 2003, 11:04 am

Eat it dorf! Thanks to your viscious headbutting, I was forced to acquire an iron codpiece...

Sabek · Post by **Sabek** » February 20, 2003, 11:12 am

Race means absolutely nothing in the end game.
That being said Iksar > all others for any class.

miir · Post by **miir** » February 20, 2003, 11:17 am

Sabek wrote:Race means absolutely nothing in the end game.

The only real advantage is frontal stun immunity

Faerin · Post by **Faerin** » February 20, 2003, 11:23 am

If you absolutely must have the best stats possible, Iksar with their AC bonus is probably the best bet (all other stats can easilly be maxed with any race). But really, an extra 40 ac or so at 65 hardly makes up for being that fucking ugly.

Humans have always been, and will always be the master race. Why settle for anything less?

PS. Anyone who rolls a gnome SK should be drug out into the street and shot ... repeatedly.

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » February 20, 2003, 11:26 am

PS. Anyone who rolls a gnome SK should be drug out into the street and shot ... repeatedly.

/agree

The main reason I am happy that I stuck with the Iksar SK is that there are only a handful past lvl60.

And I am sexier than all of them.

Quarkk · Post by **Quarkk** » February 20, 2003, 11:26 am

ROFL, Faerin!

How can you not love an SK wielding an axe bigger than their entire body? Classic!

Sabek · Post by **Sabek** » February 20, 2003, 11:30 am

miir wrote:
Sabek wrote:Race means absolutely nothing in the end game.
The only real advantage is frontal stun immunity

Actually you can get frontal stun resistance via AA now.

miir · Post by **miir** » February 20, 2003, 11:33 am

Stun immunity > stun resistance

Lor · Post by **Lor** » February 20, 2003, 11:34 am

It all comes down to the player behind the Keyboard really, you can put Faerin behind the keys of a Troll, Ogre, Human, Iksar, DE Etc. and you'll think that race is the Best for being a SK. Stats are no Substitute for a great player.

Sabek · Post by **Sabek** » February 20, 2003, 11:36 am

Ninuen wrote:I couldnt decide for myself.
Ogre: High ATK, Low AC, High HP, Low Mana
Dark Elf: Low ATK, High AC, Low HP, High Mana
Iksar: Low ATK, High AC, Fair HP, Fair Mana
Which do you think is better in the high end game?

Going back an looking at this.

WTH does Low ATK, Fair HP, Fair mana have to do with anything.

Race A with 305 stam/int will have exactly the same hp/mana as race be as long as equip remains constant.

Hell I have 7.9khps buffed at 64 and I wouldn't consider my equip to be uber by any stretch of the imagination.

There are a total of a couple differences between the races you mentioned.
Ogre=Frontal stun immune(from melee only),Bash,15% exp penalty
DE=Ultravision, no exp penalty
Iksar=42 extra AC at 60+,higher regen, 20% exp penalty

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » February 20, 2003, 11:46 am

Sabek wrote:DE=Ultravision, no exp penalty

Add hide to the DEs, one of my favorite things about them. That and they are better looking than all the other races

Sabek wrote:Iksar=42 extra AC at 60+,higher regen, 20% exp penalty

And butt ugly

Sabek · Post by **Sabek** » February 20, 2003, 11:48 am

Aabidano wrote:
Sabek wrote:DE=Ultravision, no exp penalty
Add hide to the DEs, one of my favorite things about them. That and they are better looking than all the other races
Sabek wrote:Iksar=42 extra AC at 60+,higher regen, 20% exp penalty
And butt ugly

Iksar != butt ugly.

People are just jealous that the panty face helm pwnz all other helms.

Yea could have added hide to DE, but then iksars get forage and I didnt bother with that.

Faerin · Post by **Faerin** » February 20, 2003, 11:51 am

Add hide to the DEs, one of my favorite things about them. That and they are better looking than all the other races

All SKs get hide at 40. I suppose Dark Elves could be considered good looking ... if you're into that whole elf/smurf cross breed thing.

Actually you can get frontal stun resistance via AA now.

This is a warrior only ability. Frontal stun immunity is still a pretty nice benefit for an SK.

Sabek · Post by **Sabek** » February 20, 2003, 12:03 pm

Faerin wrote:
Actually you can get frontal stun resistance via AA now.
This is a warrior only ability. Frontal stun immunity is still a pretty nice benefit for an SK.

Cool didn't realize verant actually gave an AA to warriors without giving to everyone else.

j/k

Minfetter · Post by **Minfetter** » February 20, 2003, 12:09 pm

As an Iksar SK I'd have to say it all comes down to what you're considering. Highlvl game or lowlvl game. It was a REAL beoch lvl'ing to 60 in the past as an Iskar SK, but now I'm REALLY glad I did. Even if I've focused on sta/straight hp items I still have nice ac. Also In consideration to spells Iksar SK's are fairly nice compared to for instance ogre SK's. Pact of Hate (15mana regen/take away 32hp a tick spell) with Iksar regen that only takes away 14 hp's. Equip with a Fungi and you actually still regen hp's. I use spells like leech spells OMGIAMRETARDEDCAUSEALOTISTWOWORDS since when xp'ing in zones like PoV you won't always have an ench in the group. And as mentioned earlier, stats don't matter much really. You can max them with gear and buffs pretty easy anyways.

My bet would be an Iksar SK. It's tough to get lvl'ed unless you PL, but in the end you'll be happy with the result

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » February 20, 2003, 12:13 pm

Faerin wrote:All SKs get hide at 40.

Didn't know that, never played an SK past 20. Damage output used to suck

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » February 20, 2003, 12:21 pm

My ranking, based purely on stats/abilities would be:

Iksar
Troll
Ogre
Erudite
Human
Dark Elf
Anna Nicole
A piece of shit
The crusted cum on a crackwhores lips
Gnome

I put a lot of weight into regen, and the bonus AC for an Iksar just makes them the best. Ogres are nice for the frontal stun immunity, and they look much better than a troll in new models, but... regen wins out IMO. After those 3 it's mostly a matter of opinion, but I think Erudites first among them because they "specialize" in a stat more than the others. Stats are able to be changed tho... things like natural AC, natural regen and frontal stun immunity aren't.

And Gnome... well...

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » February 20, 2003, 1:11 pm

miir wrote:
Drolgin Steingrinder wrote:Erudite Paladins, on the other hand, are completely gimp.
/agree

I'm pretty sure that the gnome paladin is much MUCH gimpier than the Erud.

Arsecn · Post by **Arsecn** » February 20, 2003, 1:18 pm

Troll

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » February 20, 2003, 6:39 pm

ROOOOAAAARRRR!!!!

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » February 20, 2003, 6:41 pm

Animalor wrote:
miir wrote:
Drolgin Steingrinder wrote:Erudite Paladins, on the other hand, are completely gimp.
/agree
I'm pretty sure that the gnome paladin is much MUCH gimpier than the Erud.

insert any word for "Erudite" and Drolgin's statement remains true

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » February 20, 2003, 8:37 pm

I have an Erudite SK. Wasn't really looking at stats when starting though. Looks > Stats!

Anyway I'd say Iksar have the best starting area. Not really as relevant as it used to be these days with soulbinders and the PoK books.

Soriathus Serpentine · February 20, 2003, 9:09 pm

Iksar > All

We take forever to level, damn 20% xp penalty, but once you get those levels under your belt, DAMN is it nice to have scales. Cabilis isn't as nice as Paineel (I've got to give the Erudites that Paineel > All when it comes to bad ass cities), but Cabilis is still a bad ass city especially if you like swimming which we Iksar of course do quite nicely. I bitched about being an iksar a million times, but after it all, I'm glad I went with l33zard.

My second choice is Ogre. There's something psychologically reassuring about having this massive ogre tanking for you as apposed to this little dark elf. Even when an ogre is shrunk they just seem much more of a bad ass.

Anuin · Post by **Anuin** » February 21, 2003, 1:28 am

Quarkk wrote:How can you not love an SK wielding an axe bigger than their entire body? Classic!

Watch me.

Quarkk · Post by **Quarkk** » February 21, 2003, 3:45 am

Watch you wield an axe as large as your body?

GNOME SK HAR!

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » February 21, 2003, 11:48 am

I need a gnome-launcher for a ranged weapon.

PULL!

Deneve · Post by **Deneve** » February 22, 2003, 4:42 pm

Functionality: Iksar
Looks: Dark Elf

Zeilya · Post by **Zeilya** » February 22, 2003, 5:15 pm

For casual gameplay, ie, someone who is never going to see level 65 or great gear, and someone who solo's OMGIAMRETARDEDCAUSEALOTISTWOWORDS, take an Iksar, the regen is everything.

For the serious gamer who is in an average guild, and will always be raiding content from an expansion or two back, take an Ogre. Hit Points are everything in this game now, and the frontal stun issue is huge.

For the uber gamer who plays in a 1st through 3rd tier guild who is mostly raiding current expansion content it doesn't really matter I suppose, though Iksar regen becomes a clear advantage once again. Still, as a Dark Elf I get stunned so many times it's a little bit frustrating, and if I had to do it all over again, I would choose Ogre SK just because of that.

As far as looks: Previous models = Erudites and Dark Elves, Luclin Models = All races are ugly except Humans as long as they are not wearing that stupid DC comic helm.

Vezot · Post by **Vezot** » February 22, 2003, 7:12 pm

But the extra 50 AC or so on an iksar at level 65 is a big advantage. Ogre is only really good for stun immunity and regen isnt all that great assuming there is a healer in your raid / group. Dark evles would be better off as necros. so that basically brings it down to ogre / iksar. stun immunity or extra AC ? hard to decide.

Sheryl · Post by **Sheryl** » February 22, 2003, 7:20 pm

Dark elves can wear assless pants. You just can't compete with that, sorry.

cid · Post by **cid** » February 22, 2003, 7:21 pm

Troll>all

Adex_Xeda · Post by **Adex_Xeda** » February 22, 2003, 9:11 pm

Too bad there aren't half elf SKs.

Sabek · Post by **Sabek** » February 22, 2003, 11:18 pm

Vezot wrote:But the extra 50 AC or so on an iksar at level 65 is a big advantage. Ogre is only really good for stun immunity and regen isnt all that great assuming there is a healer in your raid / group. Dark evles would be better off as necros. so that basically brings it down to ogre / iksar. stun immunity or extra AC ? hard to decide.

Actually on the necro point you lose. Iksar > all others for necro. HP/regen = mana for necros. The regen on iksar make them the clearly superior necro as well.

Vezot · Post by **Vezot** » February 22, 2003, 11:50 pm

But which is more useful at level 65? regen and 42 more AC, or stun immunity.? if you have really uber gear you can max out your AC at 1500. so if you do ever get into FoH the extra 42 AC on an iksar is almost useless. and then the only advantage is regen and you usually have a healer. so ogre wins in high end uberness. but iksars get the look bonus and not many people can max out their STA / STR so ogre wins again.

Bojangels · Post by **Bojangels** » February 23, 2003, 12:05 am

Vezot wrote:But which is more useful at level 65? regen and 42 more AC, or stun immunity.? if you have really uber gear you can max out your AC at 1500. so if you do ever get into FoH the extra 42 AC on an iksar is almost useless. and then the only advantage is regen and you usually have a healer. so ogre wins in high end uberness. but iksars get the look bonus and not many people can max out their STA / STR so ogre wins again.

Lol you can't use the excuse that you're getting uber gear in FoH and are gonna max out your ac at 1500 then say it's hard to max out your stamina. There's casters in Foh that have max stam. Most likely you'll end up in a mid lvl guild and won't be able to max your stam without hard work, so being an ogre would help that.

Is it just me or do/did you edit the choices in the poll? From what's up there now I'd go with iksar, because you won't be huge and retarded and get in the real tanks way, and because of the higher Int. Of all the races avail I'd pick Erudite.

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