Anyone see the discussion on ousting Hussien?

Fallanthas · Post by **Fallanthas** » February 19, 2003, 12:43 pm

CNN ran a piece this morning on how the Arab League would like to see Hussein declared a war criminal by the U.N. and sent into exile.

Not sure how practical a thing this is, but it would certainly resolve a lot of issues short of a full-scale war.

Apparently one of the problems they have run up against is that Saddam refuses to fly out of fear of being shot down, and no neighboring countries want to agree to allow him to travel overland for fear his convoy will be attacked while in their country. That suggests that he has been approached with the idea and didn't just reject it.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » February 19, 2003, 12:45 pm

Saudi Arabia has been pushing the exile option for a couple months now.

it is definitely supported by just about everybody...except Saddam Hussein apparently =).

Gurugurumaki · Post by **Gurugurumaki** » February 19, 2003, 12:56 pm

Send hims to Texas or Canada I says!

Melrin_Specclaster · February 19, 2003, 1:42 pm

Read an article the other day about his son who has raped and killed women for pleasure. He also has 3700 luxury cars. Now....not to say that 3700 pintos wouldnt be a mad case in itself, but 3700 luxury cars...wtf. Most of us dont even have room to park 100 cars.

miir · Post by **miir** » February 19, 2003, 1:44 pm

I read an article the other day about George W Bush and how he likes to eats babies.

noel · Post by **noel** » February 19, 2003, 1:51 pm

miir wrote:I read an article the other day about George W Bush and how he likes to eats babies.

I'd like to read that too. Could you source that please, Miir. It's helpful to others to use reputable sources. /snicker

miir · Post by **miir** » February 19, 2003, 1:54 pm

Aranuil wrote:
miir wrote:I read an article the other day about George W Bush and how he likes to eats babies.
I'd like to read that too. Could you source that please, Miir. It's helpful to others to use reputable sources. /snicker

I think it was at http://www.dirtyamericanpigs.iq

noel · Post by **noel** » February 19, 2003, 1:58 pm

miir wrote:
Aranuil wrote:
miir wrote:I read an article the other day about George W Bush and how he likes to eats babies.
I'd like to read that too. Could you source that please, Miir. It's helpful to others to use reputable sources. /snicker
I think it was at http://www.dirtyamericanpigs.iq

Thanks!

Gurugurumaki · Post by **Gurugurumaki** » February 19, 2003, 2:17 pm

I think arl Texans eat babies, it a given...but what type of babies?

vn_Tanc · Post by **vn_Tanc** » February 19, 2003, 2:22 pm

It's all irrelevant anyway.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/2780861.stm

Ladies and Gentlemen, start your engines. . .

I give it 3 weeks. 4 tops. 2 weeks to get the remaining troops in place and draft a second resolution. Another week to force it through the UN then it's game on.

Fallanthas · Post by **Fallanthas** » February 19, 2003, 2:24 pm

I'd agree with that timeline if something doesn't happen with Hussien before then.

I heard ont he raido this morning that Germany has conditionally agreed to war as a last resort. Seems the naysayers are coming onboard, albeit slowly and with reservation.

Hoarmurath · Post by **Hoarmurath** » February 19, 2003, 2:50 pm

New moon on March 3rd in Iraq....you know how those crazy Americans love their night vision technology. The Air Force seems to lean towards starting bombing campaigns on moonless nights.

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » February 19, 2003, 3:19 pm

It has to start soon IF it is to start, because they don't want to fight during the summer.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · February 19, 2003, 3:42 pm

Boy I hope they exile him. It would be nice to avoid war. Plus politically it would allow the republicans to save face having the other arab nations ban together and solidify the notion of Hussein being a leader that needs to be removed.

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » February 19, 2003, 3:50 pm

Can Bush be exiled back to Texas?

Shaerra · Post by **Shaerra** » February 19, 2003, 3:59 pm

Did anyone else see the show on Discovery last night? Think it was called "Why can't they just kill Saddam?". Was very interesting. Talked about how he came to power, how he rules the people using fear, how he tortures people, how he tests his security forces, etc... Really good show imo.

Mort · Post by **Mort** » February 19, 2003, 4:03 pm

I heard something about us just surrounding Baghdad and letting everyone who does not wish to fight just walk out, then starve the opposition.

Anyone heard anything about this strategy? Seems like a pretty good option to oust the POS with minimum casulties on all sides.

Penlog · Post by **Penlog** » February 19, 2003, 4:11 pm

I've seen specials on Sadaam Hussein. He is no dumby, all of his communication setups are fiberoptics and are under ground. Also I have heard that he has doubles of him running around at other places, making them think they know where he is but its not him, and so on and so forth. he is one of the smartest leader ive seen, if only he wasnt on the "I wanna rule the world kick"

hehe. Anyhow they have tunnels, and routs that make afganistans tunnels look like holes in the ground, and thats how sadaam got away in the gulf war, slipping through the underground passages, and out.

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » February 19, 2003, 4:15 pm

Sadaam is very good at using politics to his advantage. However, as a general of men and armies, he is severly lacking. To put it bluntly, he is teh suck.

Ceredwin · Post by **Ceredwin** » February 19, 2003, 4:18 pm

"Anyhow they have tunnels, and routs that make afganistans tunnels look like holes in the ground, and thats how sadaam got away in the gulf war, slipping through the underground passages, and out."

Is it? I thought how he got away is that we did not go into Bagdad after him, and pulled out after we won the war in 100 hours or so. Perhaps if we had finished it then, thousands of Kurds would still be alive and we would not be worrying about this maniac now.

miir · Post by **miir** » February 19, 2003, 4:24 pm

For the chronologically impaired

August 2, 1990 Iraq invades Kuwait

November 29, 1990 U.N. Security Council authorizes the use of force to remove Iraq from Kuwait

January 15, 1991 United Nations deadline for Iraqi withdrawal

January 17, 1991 Air attack begins on Iraq at 2:38 AM (local time)

February 24, 1991 Ground war begins

February 28, 1991 Ceasefire implemented

miir · Post by **miir** » February 19, 2003, 4:29 pm

Perhaps if we had finished it then, thousands of Kurds would still be alive

For the chronologially impaired, part 2.

Saddam carried out a campaign against the Kurds in the 1980s in retaliation for their support of Iran

On March 16, 1988, Iraqi warplanes bombed the town of Halabja, where about 80,000 Kurds lived. International scientists later determined that the attack involved multiple chemical agents, including mustard gas and sarin

After the Persian Gulf War, with Saddam still in power, the United States urged the Kurds to rise up and overthrow him but offered no assistance.

Saddam's forces quickly crushed the revolt, killing thousands of Kurds and sending some 1.5 million more scrambling through the mountains, headed for Turkey.

Creation of the no-fly zone and the Kurdish safe area in northern Iraq followed soon after.

Silvarel Mistmoon · Post by **Silvarel Mistmoon** » February 19, 2003, 6:54 pm

Apparently one of the problems they have run up against is that Saddam refuses to fly out of fear of being shot down, and no neighboring countries want to agree to allow him to travel overland for fear his convoy will be attacked while in their country.

I am sure we can get a SEAL team to go in and snatch him out and deliver him to safety before anyone would even know he was gone.

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » February 19, 2003, 9:32 pm

I am sure we can get a SEAL team to go in and snatch him out and deliver him to safety before anyone would even know he was gone.

Like they haven't tried that before..

Shaerra · Post by **Shaerra** » February 19, 2003, 9:57 pm

I say we open a 7-11 in Iraq, then just kill the cashier daily. Eventually, we'll get to Saddam.

Forthe · Post by **Forthe** » February 19, 2003, 10:09 pm

How about we disarm Iraq of WMD and then mind our own business?

Trek · Post by **Trek** » February 19, 2003, 10:23 pm

Forthe wrote:How about we disarm Iraq of WMD and then mind our own business?

thats a funny one, disarm him and mind our own business because he obviously won't rearm himself.

Forthe · Post by **Forthe** » February 20, 2003, 3:37 am

Under the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998, they say, the US administration can give opposition groups goods and services - including training - worth up to $97 million. So far it has used $1m of that total.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/2772409.stm

Cracc · Post by **Cracc** » February 20, 2003, 9:09 am

Looks like the war propaganda in the US has gone out of control.

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » February 20, 2003, 11:38 am

There was a Street protester on a Minneapolis Street yesterday with a huge wooden sign that read.

"Say No To War, Support or Troops"

Now it was 43 degrees in Minnesota yesterday and it was melting the snow at an amazing pace.

I swear I tried to miss the Puddle