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You sicken me Miir. You are assuming that there is as likely a chance that she is lying as if it did happen.
You know nothing about the situation except for a 1 line quote from CNN yet you can claim that there is no chance whatsoever that the accuser might be lying.

You believe that any man that is accused of rape is automatically guilty until proven innocent?


That's pretty fucking hypocritical.




When you have a friend falsley accused of rape have 3 years of their life destroyed by some lying sack of shit, you might understand my point of view.
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I'm not gonna bother arguing this.


Everyone needs to be accountable for thier actions and in civilized society everyone is innocent until proven guilty.
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It's not an alleged rape victim's fault that society pre-judges people who are accused of crimes before they are convicted.

You are saying something to the effect of that because you have some anecdotal evidence of some woman falsely accusing someone of raping them because they regretted it the next day, that somehow this is all of womanhood's fault. I don't understand that.

The law is almost always going to fall on the side of the accusor in a rape case because statistically speaking all rapes but an insignificant amount of them are actual verifiable sexual assaults. To think that a woman would put herself through the fucking horror of a rape trial with a defense attorney digging up dirt on her in front of a court room just because she regrets having sex is patently absurd.

If man wants to protect himself from false accusations of rape, then they should avoid shoving their cocks into things that aren't their girlfriend, fiance or wife.
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It's fair to consider a man innocent until proven guilty.

It's not fair to consider a woman a liar until she provides a videotape of the rape.
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Lalanae wrote:
miir wrote:Does YES mean NO the next morning when the person regrets what they did and choses to screw over the person they had a one night stand with?

Are women allowed to change their mind after they consent to sex?

If cases of alleged rape, men are required by law to be accountable for thier actions... so should women.

I'm not defending the actions of anyone nor am I saying anyone deserves to be raped no matter how stupid they are, and no matter how poor their judgement is.

You sicken me Miir. You are assuming that there is as likely a chance that she is lying as if it did happen. Why would a woman GO OUT OF HER WAY to ruin her reputation, to put herself on the line in front of all you MISOGYNISTIC assholes who think as such, just because she "regrets" having sex. Get real. This isn't the 1950's. You guys just can't stand the fact that some of you can't control your behavior, so you want to turn it around and put the woman in the wrong or at least cast a huge doubt on the incidence.

YOU PEOPLE are the REASON why SO MANY women DO NOT REPORT RAPE!

You should be fucking ashamed for perpetuating a frat boy mentality
Actually this happened to a guy I knew in highschool (80s not 50s). She was a very nice girl also, just copped out when her mother freaked (she arrived home a mess).

It does happen and it severely rapes the guy falsely accused. Maybe the women that make false accusations share some of that blame for truely wronged women not reporting.
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Forthe wrote:Actually this happened to a guy I knew in highschool (80s not 50s). She was a very nice girl also, just copped out when her mother freaked (she arrived home a mess).

It does happen and it severely rapes the guy falsely accused. Maybe the women that make false accusations share some of that blame for truely wronged women not reporting.
So she came clean and admitted that she wasn't raped?
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Never said anything about it being a woman's fault that she got raped. I DID say that you could lessen the chances of it happening to you by not putting yourself into a bad situation. Of course, you don't want to read it that way because you would rather place the blame on the man in any instance a woman cries rape. Let me tell you sister, I have known more than a couple of women that are rape victims and also know more than one who alleged rape to get themselves out of a bad situation. In one instance, the girl actualy accused a guy of rape when she was caught with him...and she was on top of him riding. So this guy gets a rape accusation thrown on him and most people would never know that he truly was innocent. You can stfu with your own closed minded guilty until proven innocent bullshit now.
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Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:Never said anything about it being a woman's fault that she got raped. I DID say that you could lessen the chances of it happening to you by not putting yourself into a bad situation.
I agree. No one deserves to be raped... no means no... BUT women need to exercise common sense. If someone is stupid enough to willingly put themselves in that type of situation, then they should realize that they too are *partly* at fault.
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yeah she was totally flaunting it fuckin bitch deserved it big time

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kyoukan type-R wrote:
Forthe wrote:Actually this happened to a guy I knew in highschool (80s not 50s). She was a very nice girl also, just copped out when her mother freaked (she arrived home a mess).

It does happen and it severely rapes the guy falsely accused. Maybe the women that make false accusations share some of that blame for truely wronged women not reporting.
So she came clean and admitted that she wasn't raped?
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And Miir's claim of not going to argue it lasted all of 1 hour 6 minutes. Surprise surprise.
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Of course, you don't want to read it that way because you would rather place the blame on the man in any instance a woman cries rape.
You sir have surpassed the highest possible level of dumbfuckdom I have ever heard in my life.

This idea that you have that women go around falsly accusing men of rape all the time is a Good-Ole-Boy MYTH created so you guys can feel a little less WHITE MALE COLLECTIVE GUILT. It hurts knowing that men are the perpetraters of so many violent crimes, many of them sexual. It makes you feel like an animal doesn't it? So you defensive bastards like to try and make yourselves feel better by pretending that its not MEN that are the problem in rape situations, its *eureka!* WOMEN.

(note "white" is an addition that doesn't apply to this topic, but does when it comes to other issues)

In all the talk that goes on about rape, HOW COME I never hear discussion about how men need to be more responsible, how men need to control their behavior? Why is it always:

*Why did she dress like a slut?
*Why did she take off some clothes?
*Why was she drinking?
*Why did she make out with him if she didn't want sex?
*Why was she out late by herself?
*Why didn't she report it?
*Why did she recant her accusation after seeing all the shit she'd have to go through, especially people questioning her like she was the perpetrator, adding insult to injury?

As a woman, am I supposed to lock myself indoors everyday? Am I supposed to not dress the way I want? If I want to flash my tits in public, should I expect to sexually assaulted? Should I be fearful of every man I decide to go out with? You STUPID FOOLS! As men, you should WANT women to trust you, to feel comfortable enough to play a game of strip poker with you, without fear of assault. You dumbasses are just reinforcing the stereotype that led to WHITE MALE COLLECTIVE GUILT. Men don't have to be pigs, you don't have to feel guilty and defensive for being a man just because males commit more violent crimes.

False accusations are in a small minority, but you guys like to take that tiny minority and run with it, making it harder for women to feel brave enough to report the crime. That means rapists are getting off scott-free and will probably do it again. But you'll blame the woman for not reporting, the same women you'd badger with questions that portray her as guilty, the woman who on top of the horrific humiliation she had to endure, has to deal with dickheads like you who make her feel like somehow she is responsible.
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In all the talk that goes on about rape, HOW COME I never hear discussion about how men need to be more responsible, how men need to control their behavior?
It's funny, I stated that both men and women need to be accountable for their actions.... funny that you felt the need to rip me a new asshole right after I posted that.

Are you suggesting that there should be double standards when it comes to situations like this? One for men and another for women?

False accusations are in a small minority, but you guys like to take that tiny minority and run with it
Nobody has said that they are not.
I believe the estimate is that 4-5% of reported rapes are false.
That's a pretty small percentage but it proves that you cannot automatically assume guilt when rape is alleged.
Rape is a heinous crime and should not go unpunished but we can't make exceptions in our laws... everyone is innocent until proven guilty.



As for the incident that sparked this thread....

There was an investigation but no charges were ever laid.
That means the woman never pressed charges and the police did not have evidence to press charges.
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Police don't investigate crimes on federal property. In this case, it would be up to the military to investigate, try and punish anyone that was guilty. Clearly they failed to do that because the women were reprimanded when they tried to file a charge.
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