War Crimes

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » February 14, 2003, 5:27 pm

I read a Pulitzer Prize winning biography on Charles Lindbergh awhile back that had some interesting notes about WWII and how "noble" American troops can be in a war situation. I ran across this link of excerpts from his diary and thought it would benefit a few of you. Enjoy!

http://www.jiyuu-shikan.org/e/db3a.html

Fallanthas · Post by **Fallanthas** » February 14, 2003, 5:30 pm

Of course, the loser in a war would NEVER bias such accounts.....

I have no doubt American soldiers pull some nasty stuff in the field. I do have every faith that such things are not supported, encouraged nor tolerated to any degree in our millitary.

Thanks for the pharm. Your post wasn't worth much else.

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » February 14, 2003, 5:31 pm

You are dumb. Lindbergh was an American. A "hero" by many accounts. Go back to 5th grade history class.

Fallanthas · Post by **Fallanthas** » February 14, 2003, 5:32 pm

Try checking the adress you quoted from.

The words "selective quote" mean anything to you?

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » February 14, 2003, 5:34 pm

Those are quotes directly taken from Lindbergh's diary retard.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » February 14, 2003, 5:35 pm

i dont recall the Nuremberg accords existing during WW2, so not really sure you can call these "war crimes".

i'm no historian though. at any rate, war - especially one like WW2 - is the ultimate base point in human behavior. when you have furnaces exterminating people by the millions, and then the bloodshed that was on the field of battle itself...it was an incredibly horrible war, and horrible things happened to people of all countries involved and some who just happened to be nearby.

Japan performed absolute horrific acts upon Manchurians, so i don't really think they can sit back in judgement with clean hands.

hey if they didnt attack the US maybe they wouldnt have subjected their people to these events. Right or wrong, they brought the actions upon themselves.

i'm not gonna run into the hood and shout racial slurs, then complain about the lack of civility i received by the occupants. that doesnt mean what happened was justified, but...

Fallanthas · Post by **Fallanthas** » February 14, 2003, 5:38 pm

Those are quotes directly taken from Lindbergh's diary retard.

No shit? You mean that's why they are in quote format?

Look at the address. Think. Apply logic.

translation: If you are too goddamned stupid to understand what selective quoting is, you are the one who needds to go back to school.

I swear crayons are necessary to get a point acorss on this site sometimes.

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » February 14, 2003, 5:48 pm

You have proven yourself to be a dumbfuck YET AGAIN. You tell me to use logic but you have the most shallow application of logic ever percieved: You look at a Japanese URL and IMMEDIATLY assume "They're lying" or "Thry're miscontruing the statement"

It is VERY clear what Lindbergh saw and thought from reading the excerpts, regardless of who is hosting the site. There is NOTHING out of context here. Lindbergh was horrified by what he saw and was deeply ashamed by it.I've read other sources as well. This was just an easy access link since I can't post the whole book.

Sorry you prefer to put your hands over your ears and say "lalala" but what you read (or probably didn't considering how fast you posted) happened. Its obvious it pisses you off (thx bait) for you to immediatly question its validity. I don't think you can get a more valid source than the diary of a first-hand observer who was American.

Fallanthas · Post by **Fallanthas** » February 14, 2003, 5:57 pm

I have no doubt American soldiers pull some nasty stuff in the field. I do have every faith that such things are not supported, encouraged nor tolerated to any degree in our millitary.

Do I seriously need to make this any clearer?

The reason I said check the address is that those quotes could easily account for ten pages out of a 1,000 page diary filled with heroism and benevolence.

For christs sake woman! Sources matter!

Metanis · Post by **Metanis** » February 14, 2003, 6:04 pm

Lalanae wrote:I read a Pulitzer Prize winning biography on Charles Lindbergh awhile back that had some interesting notes about WWII and how "noble" American troops can be in a war situation. I ran across this link of excerpts from his diary and thought it would benefit a few of you. Enjoy!

http://www.jiyuu-shikan.org/e/db3a.html

Lalanae, what a crock of shit.

Back up a step on that web site to http://www.jiyuu-shikan.org/e/ and then read the damn text

Association for the Advancement of the Liberalist View of History.

I don't doubt for a minute that American troops were extremely harsh on the Japanese soldiers in WWII. They were "the yellow horde" after all.

For every story like yours you can find a dozen more detailing the harsh and revolting activities of the Japanese soldiers.

The 'leet rarely think to put things into historical context... nice troll post.

Fallanthas · Post by **Fallanthas** » February 14, 2003, 6:05 pm

Seems Mr Lindbergh was not happy about the war from beginning to end.

Damn you, now I am going to have to read this cover to cover.

Sirensa · Post by **Sirensa** » February 14, 2003, 6:07 pm

I wouldn't begrudge anyone insanities after being subjected to war. It's war - do we really expect it to be civil and humane?

Bubba Grizz · Post by **Bubba Grizz** » February 14, 2003, 6:38 pm

Actually I have read something about the skulls and the taking of ears from the Japanese dead and sending them back to the states as prizes. This was in a WWII history class that I read this back in college. I don't doubt this kind of thing happened. Being an asshole disregards race, nationality, and gender.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » February 14, 2003, 6:47 pm

IT'S A LIBERAL PLOT TO COVER UP THE TRUTH

OMG

OMFG

Forthe · Post by **Forthe** » February 14, 2003, 6:52 pm

Every war will have shit happen like this. Lets face it, there are not many rocket scientists carrying guns.

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » February 14, 2003, 7:00 pm

Just pointing the truth out to those who put Americans on a pedestal above others, nothing more.

Sorry if some of you find that a hard pill to swallow.

Post by **Sylvus** » February 14, 2003, 7:03 pm

It's not that the people carrying the guns are the stupidest people around (necessarily), but throw any 18 year old kid into a situation like that and see how it affects them. I for one know I was definitely not (and probably still am not) equipped to deal with the horrors of war at that age. Seeing the things that I'm sure they saw and being in constant fear for their lives would most likely be enough to warp just about anyone.

Reading the diary, I'm surprised there weren't more passages like this. Out of the 1000 pages (at least) that the book was, there were like 12 or so excerpts with several of them being re-hashed versions of the earlier passages. I'm certain that atrocities were committed by both Axis and Allies. It most certainly wasn't very "noble" for either side, but I don't think anyone ever said that it was.

noel · Post by **noel** » February 14, 2003, 7:05 pm

It's not like this was a huge secret. Worse shit than you can possibly imagine went on in Vietnam, Iraq, etc. The difference is, if any of our troops are caught doing anything like this, they will be denounced, court-martialed etc.

The Japanese in Manchuria, and the Nazi's in WWII were doing this in an environment where it was not only condoned by their chain of command, it was enjoyed.

Forthe and Bubba are right. Stupidity is on all sides.

Atokal · Post by **Atokal** » February 14, 2003, 7:07 pm

Forthe wrote:Every war will have shit happen like this. Lets face it, there are not many rocket scientists carrying guns.

No you dickhead they make the really BIG fucking weapons.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » February 14, 2003, 7:09 pm

elaborating on what Aranuil said, which i think pretty much states the difference:

While the US was guilty of atrocities in WW2, like all major combatants, the US did not engage in these atrocities as matters of policy. They were not state doctrines like genocide, like what Japan did to Manchurians.

The United States also did not initiate military conflict in WW2. On both fronts, it was brought in because either directly or through treaty, it was attacked by nations who were aggressively trying to take over other countries.

I do see that as in general an overall higher standard of behavior than was exhibited by the governments of Japan or Germany.

The US was not spotless, and nobody would make that claim, but yes, by just about any standard, the US government was much more admirable in their behavior from 1941-1945 than either Japan or Germany.

By a HUGE margin.

noel · Post by **noel** » February 14, 2003, 7:10 pm

Great post Atokal! Very insightful.

Fallanthas · Post by **Fallanthas** » February 14, 2003, 7:11 pm

Aranuil and Voronwe both did a much better job of saying it than I did.

Metanis · Post by **Metanis** » February 14, 2003, 7:39 pm

Atokal wrote:
Forthe wrote:Every war will have shit happen like this. Lets face it, there are not many rocket scientists carrying guns.
No you dickhead they make the really BIG fucking weapons.

BFG's actually

Atokal · Post by **Atokal** » February 14, 2003, 8:28 pm

Aranuil wrote:Great post Atokal! Very insightful.

Did I hurt your feelings junior? Just because I called you out for slamming a friend of mine regarding her spelling and then you proceed to make spelling mistakes in everyone of your last 3 or 4 posts.

If you fail to see the stupidity in Forthe's analogy I am not going to school you.

Cheers.

/em sits back and awaits the "Aranuil Posse"

miir · Post by **miir** » February 14, 2003, 8:38 pm

Did I hurt your feelings junior? Just because I called you out for slamming a friend of mine regarding her spelling and then you proceed to make spelling mistakes in everyone of your last 3 or 4 posts.

/hijack

noel · Post by **noel** » February 14, 2003, 8:48 pm

Atokal, your "Get out of Jail Free" card just evaporated.

Adex_Xeda · Post by **Adex_Xeda** » February 14, 2003, 9:35 pm

He has a posse?

Is that how you spell it?

Heh it reminds me of a french pastry.

PU Say?
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Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » February 14, 2003, 9:43 pm

He has a posse. I have theme music, like Shaft.

Forthe · Post by **Forthe** » February 14, 2003, 10:06 pm

Forthe wrote:Every war will have shit happen like this. Lets face it, there are not many rocket scientists carrying guns.

Okay since I've recieved complaints from the dumb folks I'll rephase it.

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Every war will have shit happen like this. Lets face it, most of the grunts that do this shit have IQs only slightly higher than Atokal's.

Adex_Xeda · Post by **Adex_Xeda** » February 14, 2003, 11:49 pm

*edited for utter lack of content* =)

Hammerstalker PE · Post by **Hammerstalker PE** » February 15, 2003, 12:33 am

If you want to read some really interesting shit on just how barbaric the Japanese were during WWII read "The Rape of Nanking". Absolutely the most depraved shit I have EVER read including some of the shit the Nazi's did to the Jews et al.

For the most part the German populace was unaware of the attrocites being committed by the Nazi army. In the book the Rape of Nanking the Japanese newspapers were keeping the score between 2 Generals in the Japanese army as to which one could behead more Chinese. They made it like a soccer tournament or something.

I find it very ironic that a Japanese website would want to host anything to do with War crimes since they are some of the worst violators.

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