The Powell and Bush comedy show

miir · Post by **miir** » February 11, 2003, 3:03 pm

These idiots just don't seem to get it...

They claim Iraq is producing and hoarding WOMDs.... still havent provided any proof.

They say they are going to provide irrefutable proof.... Now they calim that they won't be able to provide any "smoking gun" proof.

They are trying to convince the rest of the world that Iraq is an immediate threat....so far thier only real support is from Tony Blair.

They produce 'spy photos' of secret WOMD labs... then Iraq lets them inspect the sites the next day.

They produce secret photos of an Al Qaeda terrorist camp in Iraq... turns out to be a Kurdish rebel communication/broadcast location.

Now Powell is spouting off about how he, with the help of bin Laden can prove that Saddam is in "partnership" with Al Qaeda.

Still waiting to hear something that might change my opinion.
Their continual ass-jackery is only increasing my opposition to an American invasion of Iraq.

Post by **Xouqoa** » February 11, 2003, 3:12 pm

Yep. Iraq continually gives us less and less reason to attack them, and BushCo. presses harder and harder.

Maybe that's their intent, though. *shrug*

miir · Post by **miir** » February 11, 2003, 3:14 pm

Maybe that's their intent, though. *shrug*

Good point, but it's a pretty damn expensive 'intent'.

Chidoro · Post by **Chidoro** » February 11, 2003, 3:22 pm

I've just relegated myself to the fact that we're having a war no matter what anyone tries to do to stop it. Kinda curious that the terror threat was moved to high shortly after Powell's speech. Sad part is, NYC never had it's threat level lowered from high yet you would never know it due to all of the news reports designed to send people into a frenzy

Acies · Post by **Acies** » February 11, 2003, 3:33 pm

miir wrote:Now Powell is spouting off about how he, with the help of bin Laden can prove that Saddam is in "partnership" with Al Qaeda.

If they even attempt that I will lose all respect (Not a lot to begin with, mind you) for President Shrub.

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » February 11, 2003, 3:54 pm

Blair needs to be careful, he is losing support fast in England as well.. read an article today about polls done throughout Europe and a vast majority is against the war. In England 37% thought Bush was a danger against world peace while 27% said Hussein and 27% North Korea...

Acies · Post by **Acies** » February 11, 2003, 4:08 pm

For some reason, that hardly suprises me.

Millie · Post by **Millie** » February 11, 2003, 4:16 pm

This war has been inevitable since the moment Bush stepped into the Oval Office. He's intent on finishing daddy's business. Nothing short of a sudden and fatal heart attack on Hussein's part will stop an invasion from being launched.

Acies · Post by **Acies** » February 11, 2003, 4:30 pm

Millie wrote:This war has been inevitable since the moment Bush stepped into the Oval Office. He's intent on finishing daddy's business. Nothing short of a sudden and fatal heart attack on Hussein's part will stop an invasion from being launched.

Where are the C.I.A.'s glamourized presidential assassins when you need them?

Ocelott · Post by **Ocelott** » February 11, 2003, 4:34 pm

Someone please tell me what "A smoking gun" means to you?

Small nuke detonated in LA?
Chemical bomb detonated in your home town?
Or how about Sadi being saturated with Bioligical agents. Sure.. why not.. we don't live there. What's it to us?

I for one do not want to see "A smoking gun".

Kluden · Post by **Kluden** » February 11, 2003, 4:43 pm

A "Smoking Gun" to me is:

- Proof those mobile chemical plants exist (you know, the ones Powell said are driving around the desert)

- An actual weapon of mass destruction being stored/hidden in Iraq.

Proof is all I ask for. There are terrorists living in the United States right now who have ties to Bin Laden, does that mean we are going to attack Florida to flush them out? So just saying a country has ties to terrorism, has weapons, has this, has that without actually showing the this and that of it, is just factless accusations. It is illegal to decieve the U.S. government, is it fair for our government to decieve the world?

Although, my continuing fall back, Iraq has broken UN agreement 1441. That is enough for me, but it is not enough for the rest of the world. This alone is proof enough that the UN truly has no respect when it comes to them defending their own resolutions.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » February 11, 2003, 4:45 pm

i also agree Kluden that Iraq is in breech of 1441.

that does not necessarily mean war is the prescribed (as per the UN) next step.

at any rate, i'm not sure what the alternatives are though, and i dont think the security council will do itself any favors if they can't come to some sort of consensus.

miir · Post by **miir** » February 11, 2003, 4:49 pm

Pull your head out of your ass for just a second....

A "smoking gun" would be the inspectors finding:

- An active chemical warhead.
- A propulsion system for a disallowed rocket
- Residual evidence of bio/chem storage/manufaturing

Something along those lines...

Small nuke detonated in LA?

How do you reckon Saddam Hussein is going to get a Nuclear Weapon half way across the world? He doesnt have ICBMs, he doesn't have long range bombers and even the smallest nuclear weapon would be nearly impossible to smuggle on to an airplane.
Iraq is, in no way a nuclear threat.

Chemical bomb detonated in your home town?

See above...
You have a far greater chance of being killed in a car accident than you do being killed by a chemical bomb on US soil.... and the US invading Iraq isn't going to make any difference in either situation.

Or how about Sadi being saturated with Bioligical agents. Sure.. why not.. we don't live there. What's it to us?

That makes no sense whatsoever.

How exactly does one go about saturating sadi with bioligical agents?

Acies · Post by **Acies** » February 11, 2003, 4:49 pm

I have a suggestion. Have the UN put a complete embargo on all Iraq products for 5 years, including (especially) oil.
Their economy will be ruined in about that time, in which case we will have Saddam begging the UN for help.
Then we oblidge.
Just a thought.

miir · Post by **miir** » February 11, 2003, 4:52 pm

That's basically what's been going on for the past 12 years.

Why do you think Iraq is being so defiant?

Swiiter · Post by **Swiiter** » February 11, 2003, 4:53 pm

Or how about Sadi being saturated with Bioligical agents. Sure.. why not.. we don't live there. What's it to us?

Funny you defend Saudi and want to bomb Iraq, when most of the hijackers responsible for the Sept. 11 were Saudi Nationals.

Wail M. al-Shehri - Came to the United States two weeks before the attacks from Saudi Arabia, where he left a suicide note
Waleed M. al-Shehri - From Saudi Arabia and a younger brother of Wail M. al-Shehri.
Satam M. A. Al Suqami- A Saudi Arabian national whose passport was recovered in the rubble.
Fayez Rashid Ahmed Hassan Al Qadi Banihammad - A Saudi Arabian national.
Marwan Al-Shehhi - Came to the United States from Saudi Arabia about two weeks before the attacks.
Hani Hanjour - A Saudi Arabian national who went to live in the United Arab Emirates in 1999.

**taken from abcnews

miir · Post by **miir** » February 11, 2003, 4:55 pm

Al Qaeda are mostly Saudi.

Ocelott · Post by **Ocelott** » February 11, 2003, 4:59 pm

Guess Since you are all knowing.. There could not Be nukes smaller then a truck or maybe one as small as a piece of luggage.. Or chemical/biological weapons that can not be smuggled across our OH so closed boarders..

Miir you crack me the fuck up.. If you can not handle someone asking a question that does not follow your narrow minded ideas.. Oh Well..

miir · Post by **miir** » February 11, 2003, 5:04 pm

There could not Be nukes smaller then a truck or maybe one as small as a piece of luggage.. Or chemical/biological weapons that can not be smuggled across our OH so closed boarders..

You stupid, ignorant fuck.

Ypu should try entering your country as a non american.

Crossing the border into NY State.
34 Year old caucasian male, average height, weight and skintone, no criminal record, gainfully employed and living at the same address for nearly 10 years.

Car is thoroughly searched.
All bags open and inspected.
Where am I going, where am I staying, how much cash do I have, let me see your credit cards, etc.

It's even worse taking a plane...

miir · Post by **miir** » February 11, 2003, 5:08 pm

Someone please tell me what "A smoking gun" means to you?

Just to clarify, the things you listed are usually referred to as "Preemptive Strikes"

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » February 11, 2003, 5:13 pm

miir wrote:You have added this person to your Ignore List. Click HERE to view this post.

Miir says the same thing in every post I see, dunno why he gets the odd responses

miir · Post by **miir** » February 11, 2003, 5:15 pm

Aabidano wrote:
miir wrote:You have added this person to your Ignore List. Click HERE to view this post.
Miir says the same thing in every post I see, dunno why he gets the odd responses

OMG!
YUO ARE SO ORIGIANL!!

shithead..

SleestakkPD · Post by **SleestakkPD** » February 11, 2003, 5:16 pm

Strangely this reminds me of the Industrial Military Complex in full swing. They need a target they can sink their teeth into. Terrorists are elusive and our defensive strategies up until now have been centered around large easy to acquire and define targets.

Bush in the same fashion as our defense institutions needs this war to shift the focus away from the many difficult issues facing and destroying the lives of American's today such as the overall economy, increasing poverty amongst our children and eldery, budget deficits, corporate scandals, an energy crisis that continues (and yet we promote Large GAS GUZZLING SUVs ... Texas being the largest market for these vehicles by a long shot), now the Columbia Disaster, the collapse of our Airlines and transportation sector, the collapse of our telecom industry, continuing tax breaks to the rich, increasing debt loads on the average american, poor savings practices, costs of higher education skyrocketing, a medical industry struggling to provide for the needs of the nation, etc. etc. etc.

While we are all bickering over this unjustifiable war our rights and freedoms as citizens are threatened, our prosperity is being flushed down the toilet, and we are ever increasingly retreating from producing the economic and social captital we really need to pull through these hard times.

Just my view, sure it is shared by many others.

Ironic too how the timing of these tragic events conicides with allowing the US to avoid reforms in Immigration (in particular with Mexico) and further limitations being placed on NAFTA. Now US and Mexican relations can soar to a new low and yet again we can continue to keep the shadow society of illegal workers paid shit and treated even worse to subsist in the alleyways and sewers of our nation... with no rights, and no fair compensation. Talk about a real threat to our security, imagine 8 million undocumented people that are in fear of our country and living in it every day under the threat of having what little they have made for themselves taken away. It smells like slavery to me. And I thought we got all this behind ourselves.

Slee

Ocelott · Post by **Ocelott** » February 11, 2003, 5:19 pm

Damn Mirr...
I was just asking a question then you go and get your panties in a bunch..
Maybe upping your meds or something will help you. Sorry that you have such a fucked up life to try and start shit. lol you are funny as hell by the way.

To the normal people that can debate without insulting....

I was not defending Sadi or did not mean for it to come across that way..

Let me word it like this.

Or how about <Insert Country name here> being saturated with Bioligical agents. Sure.. why not.. we don't live there. What's it to us?

Brotha · Post by **Brotha** » February 11, 2003, 5:19 pm

They claim Iraq is producing and hoarding WOMDs.... still havent provided any proof.

Iraq still hasn't accounted for a single weapon the UN certified they had in 1999. And that's ignoring the personal accounts by defectors, phone call intercepts, and satellite photographs. How you can actually believe they don't have these is behind me.

They say they are going to provide irrefutable proof.... Now they calim that they won't be able to provide any "smoking gun" proof.

If we had this kind of proof we would have told the inspectors actually where to look on day 1. I for one am satisfied with the proof and facts I've been given.

They are trying to convince the rest of the world that Iraq is an immediate threat....so far thier only real support is from Tony Blair.

The coalition is growing daily. Where were the liberals when Clinton bombed Iraq and removed Milosevich without UN approval? Since when did we let Russia, Germany, and France dictate our foreign policy? Also, I'd like to add that when Congress gave Bush approval to use force on Iraq, they asked him to go to the UN, which he did. Then it said if he can't get UN support, then it's ok to go alone.

They produce 'spy photos' of secret WOMD labs... then Iraq lets them inspect the sites the next day.

The next day? Who cares if it was the day after the presentation? The actual photographs I think you're referring to were taken two days before inspections began again. The sites were cleaned up by the time inspections began, which was the whole point of the photographs...somehow you missed it though.

They produce secret photos of an Al Qaeda terrorist camp in Iraq... turns out to be a Kurdish rebel communication/broadcast location.

No idea what this is referring to, but I hope you aren't trying to actually say Saddam has no connections to Al Qaeda. Powell's presentation was pretty precise, but left a little bit of thinking and connecting the dots up to the people watching it, which in your case was a mistake. I'll save Powell the time of personally emailing you Miir and explain it, ok?

Zarqwi is a high ranking member of Al Qaeda. Zarqwi and two dozen other fanatics have been staying in Baghdad for the past 8 months with Saddam's knowledge. Saddam isn't a TOTAL idiot, so you can atleast assume there was a non aggresion pact made between Iraq and Al Qaeda. That's a connection. You can't argue that. Now, you are giving Saddam the benefit of the doubt and hoping that's the full extent of the connection. I, however, do not think Saddam should be given the benefit of the doubt, based on his past actions and the ramifications of him passing along WMD to terrorists; terrorists we know he has a connection to.

Kluden · Post by **Kluden** » February 11, 2003, 5:19 pm

Seriously, I've read that argument before, and as much as I agree with some of it, I disagree with more of it.

All the same, I think you just made one long derailment of this thread...so, Pie anyone?

Sabek · Post by **Sabek** » February 11, 2003, 5:19 pm

Jackass for slee

miir · Post by **miir** » February 11, 2003, 5:20 pm

I'm insulted by your stupidity and ignorance.
I'm only acting in self defense.

Ocelott · Post by **Ocelott** » February 11, 2003, 5:21 pm

Well said SleestakkPD
Very valid points. Gives one something to think about.

Post by **Xouqoa** » February 11, 2003, 5:22 pm

SleestakkPD wrote:... an energy crisis that continues (and yet we promote Large GAS GUZZLING SUVs ... Texas being the largest market for these vehicles by a long shot), ... Slee

I disagree. I see just as many SUV's in Florida as I did living in Texas. I'm willing to bet the percentage of the population who owns a SUV in each state is about the same. Anyone know where that information can be found?

Acies · Post by **Acies** » February 11, 2003, 5:24 pm

Jesus, I turn my back for two minutes

This topic got better.
I thought that just the U.S.A. and a few other close allies embargo'd Iraq, not the whole U.N. Organization.
/shrug
I will take your word for it, but if you got some documentation it would be better

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » February 11, 2003, 5:24 pm

Brotha wrote:Iraq still hasn't accounted for a single weapon the UN certified they had in 1999. And that's ignoring the personal accounts by defectors, phone call intercepts, and satellite photographs. How you can actually believe they don't have these is behind me.

If the UN saw them in 1999 (which they didn't), then why didn't they destroy them?

SleestakkPD · Post by **SleestakkPD** » February 11, 2003, 5:25 pm

I read a recent article stating that 25% of all SUVs sold in the US are sold in Texas. I have to find it but the numbers were provided by Cheverolet and Ford. I live in Dallas and I can tell you from my daily experience on the commute that 3 out of 4 vehicles here are SUVs or Light Trucks.

Brotha · Post by **Brotha** » February 11, 2003, 5:26 pm

If the UN saw them in 1999 (which they didn't), then why didn't they destroy them?

The UN came to the conclusion, based on past inspections and what Iraq had admitted they had, that these were the weapons Iraq had left.

SleestakkPD · Post by **SleestakkPD** » February 11, 2003, 5:28 pm

BTW there is a connection between our propensity to drive large obnoxious vehicles and the war in Iraq. I will let you all fill in the Blanks.

_ _ _

Two are vowels.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » February 11, 2003, 5:28 pm

Brotha wrote:
If the UN saw them in 1999 (which they didn't), then why didn't they destroy them?
The UN came to the conclusion, based on past inspections and what Iraq had admitted they had, that these were the weapons Iraq had left.

So when they found them the first time, they just let the Iraqis keep them for awhile?

Acies · Post by **Acies** » February 11, 2003, 5:31 pm

kyoukan type-R wrote:
Brotha wrote:
If the UN saw them in 1999 (which they didn't), then why didn't they destroy them?
The UN came to the conclusion, based on past inspections and what Iraq had admitted they had, that these were the weapons Iraq had left.
So when they found them the first time, they just let the Iraqis keep them for awhile?

Essencially, yes.

miir · Post by **miir** » February 11, 2003, 5:32 pm

Iraq still hasn't accounted for a single weapon the UN certified they had in 1999

They have, infact, accounted for a large portion of them.

If we had this kind of proof we would have told the inspectors actually where to look on day 1. I for one am satisfied with the proof and facts I've been given.

I haven't seen much in the way of proof.
I've seen a lot of Push and Powell pounding thier chests and scowling.

The burden of proof in this issue is not black and white and Iraq does need to cooperate more.

The coalition is growing daily.

Good god man, where do you get your world news from, CNN?
The anti war and anti-american sentiment is growing worldwide.

There are quite a few people who believe Bush to be a bigger threat to internaitonal security than Saddam Hussein.

Since when did we let Russia, Germany, and France dictate our foreign policy?

All of those countries have vested interest in Iraq.
On that token, why should all those other countries allow the USA to dictate their foreign policy?

The US military enforcing foreign policy on random nations is very risky for US national security.

The sites were cleaned up by the time inspections began, which was the whole point of the photographs...somehow you missed it though.

So they had 'proof' that they were constructing and testing weapons at that site but they have no proof where all the machinery and the alleged weapons might have gone?

You're grasping for straws here.

I hope you aren't trying to actually say Saddam has no connections to Al Qaeda

The alleged terrorist camp that Powell had proof of was located in Nothern Iraq in a Kurdish controlled area.

How exactly is that proof that Saddam Hussein has close ties with Al Qaeda?

Zarqwi is a high ranking member of Al Qaeda. Zarqwi and two dozen other fanatics have been staying in Baghdad for the past 8 months with Saddam's knowledge

How is this fact?

SleestakkPD · Post by **SleestakkPD** » February 11, 2003, 5:36 pm

I believe the whole UN security council has become a sick joke. Bush is going to do what he and his administration want despite the objection of a siginicant portion of the council against his warhawk demands. The Bush coallition is going to be a bunch of hired guns (basically mercenary countries) and thats about it. I couldn't find one country in the list of his supporters that we aren't paying for in one way or another.

Forthe · Post by **Forthe** » February 11, 2003, 5:37 pm

Xouqoa wrote:
SleestakkPD wrote:... an energy crisis that continues (and yet we promote Large GAS GUZZLING SUVs ... Texas being the largest market for these vehicles by a long shot), ... Slee
I disagree. I see just as many SUV's in Florida as I did living in Texas. I'm willing to bet the percentage of the population who owns a SUV in each state is about the same. Anyone know where that information can be found?

I'd bet all the retired Canadians in Florida inflate the SUV numbers.

Bubba with "evidence" like this tape I'm listening to how you allow yourself to be led by Powell to "connect the dots" is "behind me". Claims like this tape proves Osama "is in partnership with Iraq" damage Powell's credibility.

Doesn't the fact that this government is pushing so hard and grasping at straws to proof a case for war, supposidly the last option, raise any flags in your mind?

miir · Post by **miir** » February 11, 2003, 5:44 pm

You know why this scares me?

The US has little support for this inevitable invasion...

Thousands (tens of thousands?) of innocent Iraqis will be inevitably slaughtered by American bombs.

This will create a whole generation of American hating Iraquis.

The ranks of the militant Islamic extremists will grow.

Terror attacks at US interests worldwide will increase tenfold.

Surrounding countries will join Palestine in wiping out all the Jews in Isreal (in turn forcing the US to take military action)

It's a whole new can of worms.
I think the WTC attacks were just the tip of the iceberg.

bin Laden did accomplish one thing he set out to do, he instilled fear in the hearts of a lot of Americans.

Acies · Post by **Acies** » February 11, 2003, 5:45 pm

I hope you aren't trying to actually say Saddam has no connections to Al Qaeda

There is a connection. The connection is hatred.
If you think that Al Qaeda and Iraq have this "terrorist bond" or some shit, then you are an idiot.
They hate each other. Al Qaeda was a liberation front that was in the past supported, trained and outfitted by guess who?
Thats right, the United States of America. Go look into CNN reports revolving around Iran/Iraq during the Regan Administration. I tried to find documentation of it, and will, but require a bit more time.
In fact, Al Qaeda is really only hates us now because of Bush Seniors' policy regarding the middle east.

Long and short, we equiped and trained Al Qaeda to fight Iran and Iraq both, whom they hated anyway. Still, long and short is Al Qaeda HATES Saddam.
I will find some documentation for you on this.

miir · Post by **miir** » February 11, 2003, 5:47 pm

In fact, Al Qaeda is really only hates us now because of Bush Seniors' policy regarding the middle east

He hates Americans in Saudi Aribia more than anything.

Metanis · Post by **Metanis** » February 11, 2003, 5:52 pm

A lot of people (mostly on the anti-war side) have tried to complicate this situation with Iraq far beyond what it is. I have my own little allegory I'll use.

If you discover a rattlesnake in your backyard, a reasonable and prudent person would likely take a 12 guage shotgun out back and "retire" that snake.

1) You wouldn't waste a lot of breath trying to negotiate with that snake.
2) You wouldn't expect that snake to change it's nature and turn into a dove.
3) You wouldn't give a fuck what the neighbors (France, Germany, Belgium) think about the snake.
4) You wouldn't wait for the snake to bite one of your children before you acted.
5) You wouldn't call your mother-in-law (the UN) and ask for permission.

Saddam has "proven" over the last quarter century that he is much worse than any rattlesnake... a ratttlesnake doesn't truly have evil intentions and I apologize if I have offended a rattlesnake in the production of this opinion.

PS. On a personal note, I have a brother in Kuwait as I write this. As a member of the 1st Marine Division, my brother's unit fully intends to be a part of the nastiest damn "shotgun" in military history. Saddam should be afraid... very afraid.

PSS. Let's not forget that Saddam still holds the final choice in this drama. He could merely comply with existing UN resolutions! Hey you bleeding heart liberal vacuum-headed assholes - think about that for more that a millisecond! Saddam brings this on himself.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » February 11, 2003, 5:56 pm

the US didn't equip and train Al'Quada. They trained Osama bin Laden to fight communism in the middle east. Later he formed his organization using his family's enormous wealth to fight all outside oppresion and influences on islamic culture.

A little while ago on 60 Minutes they actually talked to the senator that was responsible for all the money, equipment and training spent on the Afghani rebels fighting the Soviets. They actually gave him the spent casing from the stinger missile that brought down the first Soviet HIND helicopter. He has it mounted in his office. He doesn't regret what he did, and at the time the Islamic militants where actually respectful of the Americans because at least they worshipped God and didn't reject religion like the communists did.

Issues with Iran and Iraq were entirely seperate, but in a nutshell the US provided weapons to Iraq to kill Iranians and covertly supplied weapons to Iran to kill Iraqis.

However that's not really here nor there.

Acies · Post by **Acies** » February 11, 2003, 5:58 pm

kyoukan type-R wrote:the US didn't equip and train Al'Quada. They trained Osama bin Laden to fight communism in the middle east. Later he formed his organization using his family's enormous wealth to fight all outside oppresion and influences on islamic culture.

A little while ago on 60 Minutes they actually talked to the senator that was responsible for all the money, equipment and training spent on the Afghani rebels fighting the Soviets. They actually gave him the spent casing from the stinger missile that brought down the first Soviet HIND helicopter. He has it mounted in his office. He doesn't regret what he did, and at the time the Islamic militants where actually respectful of the Americans because at least they worshipped God and didn't reject religion like the communists did.

Issues with Iran and Iraq were entirely seperate, but in a nutshell the US provided weapons to Iraq to kill Iranians and covertly supplied weapons to Iran to kill Iraqis.

However that's not really here nor there.

Damn, your right Kyou.
Thank you for the clarification. Yes, trained "Osama". He in turn trained Al Qaeda, etc.

miir · Post by **miir** » February 11, 2003, 6:02 pm

Saddam has "proven" over the last quarter century that he is much worse than any rattlesnake... a ratttlesnake doesn't truly have evil intentions and I apologize if I have offended a rattlesnake in the production of this opinion

For half of that quarter century, Saddam was on "your side".
You gave him money, bombs, support... you sold him weapons and bought his oil..

He was fighting those evil Iranians and needed all the help he could get.

He could merely comply with existing UN resolutions! Hey you bleeding heart liberal vacuum-headed assholes - think about that for more that a millisecond! Saddam brings this on himself.

Reading that makes me really sad.
I feel incredibly sorry for people who think like that.

Burke · Post by **Burke** » February 11, 2003, 6:06 pm

Slee,
I'm going to go with POO as my final answer.

Acies · Post by **Acies** » February 11, 2003, 6:10 pm

Metanis wrote:

A lot of people (mostly on the anti-war side) have tried to complicate this situation with Iraq far beyond what it is. I have my own little allegory I'll use.

If you discover a rattlesnake in your backyard, a reasonable and prudent person would likely take a 12 guage shotgun out back and "retire" that snake.

1) You wouldn't waste a lot of breath trying to negotiate with that snake.
2) You wouldn't expect that snake to change it's nature and turn into a dove.
3) You wouldn't give a fuck what the neighbors (France, Germany, Belgium) think about the snake.
4) You wouldn't wait for the snake to bite one of your children before you acted.
5) You wouldn't call your mother-in-law (the UN) and ask for permission.

Saddam has "proven" over the last quarter century that he is much worse than any rattlesnake... a ratttlesnake doesn't truly have evil intentions and I apologize if I have offended a rattlesnake in the production of this opinion.

PS. On a personal note, I have a brother in Kuwait as I write this. As a member of the 1st Marine Division, my brother's unit fully intends to be a part of the nastiest damn "shotgun" in military history. Saddam should be afraid... very afraid.

PSS. Let's not forget that Saddam still holds the final choice in this drama. He could merely comply with existing UN resolutions! Hey you bleeding heart liberal vacuum-headed assholes - think about that for more that a millisecond! Saddam brings this on himself.

America has done far worse than anything Saddam has, we just have not been exposed by a superpower, yet.
Tell you what, why don't you insist that we are disarmed completely as well, because we are a meaner form of rattlesnake that some petty bitch dictator could ever be, believe it.

You know what, we would never do it. We have to many enemies. They would, without the presence of the "big guns" we have, do to us what we are doing to Saddam. They would undermine our power, our luxury and economy. I would be damned if I let any body of U.N. officals do that to the U.S., and excuse me for being somewhat understanding of Saddam's plight.
I am not going to hide behind a front of Patriotism and gung ho marine bullshit either to justify either a) being lead by a fucking moron or b) killing a bunch of Iraqi's for their oil, and THAT IS what this is about.
It is not about safety, it is not about "Saddam" has the weapons, it IS about the oil, and with it, money and prosperity, period. If you think otherwise then you are either dense or naive.
Now if you think it is socially acceptable to use Saddams assholism (Yes, he is a dick, and deserves to die, likely) against him, look at your own nation and ask yourself why you seem to hold fucking Saddam to a higher standard than George Bush.

/rant off

Vailex Darkfury · Post by **Vailex Darkfury** » February 11, 2003, 6:19 pm

miir wrote:
Ypu should try entering your country as a non american.

Crossing the border into NY State.
34 Year old caucasian male, average height, weight and skintone, no criminal record, gainfully employed and living at the same address for nearly 10 years.

Car is thoroughly searched.
All bags open and inspected.
Where am I going, where am I staying, how much cash do I have, let me see your credit cards, etc.

It's even worse taking a plane...

This is a good thing. And knowing this will make me sleep better at night. Did you honestly expect anything different? Im sorry we inconvenienced you but shit happens and times change. About 3000 people had an inconvenience not too long ago and we want to kind of, well, not let the shit happen again?

VeeshanVault

The Powell and Bush comedy show

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Mr. Rattlesnake Saddam

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