Thess

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » February 10, 2003, 1:14 pm

Well first off, I would agree with Mezzmor and Karae on quite a bit of what they had to say.

One of the biggest problems that was occurring with CT is that we lost too many people who built the guild. You can replace the bodies, but you could not replace the hearts. The people coming in just had no idea of the history of the guild and the efforts we went to to build the guild that was putting all that loot on your toon. All CT was to the majority of the members was a place to go to see end game content and reap items they would otherwise never have. 75% of the membes would never have sat on a spawn for 3 hours to get a shot at it. In the old days, we sat on dragons for 8-13 hours just to get a shot at wiping out in order to learn. The heart of CT was gone.

You all can say what you want about who is to blame and what you think was the cause. Let me just say that I made several posts on the board in the members section and in private posts about what was going on. Every single old encounter where people knew we would win and knew what loots they could get, 65 of you would show up. For new encounters, 35 would show up. Thess refused to believe that this was the case. I started documenting what was going on to show her that a problem did indeed exist. Two weeks before the shit hit the fan, I sent Thess a private message to have her schedule a Ssra encounter on a weeknight and then the HoH trials or another new PoP encounter for the weekend during prime time. If we didn't hit the same numbers for the PoP, I was done. She posted on the boards begging and pleading to get people to show up and support it. The Emperor attempt came and 70+ showed up on a Thursday night. The weekend comes and 50 show up for the PoP attempt. Point the fingers at the loot whores that brought that guild down. There are things that could have been done better, but none of you were trying so why should your leadership be held to a different standard?

Fash · Post by **Fash** » February 10, 2003, 1:19 pm

The weekend comes and 50 show up for the PoP attempt. Point the fingers at the loot whores that brought that guild down. There are things that could have been done better, but none of you were trying so why should your leadership be held to a different standard?

50 > none

The leadership of CT discouraged others from taking on any responsibility. The same 6 core officers slammed anyone who tried to do anything, and took everything upon themselves, acting as if no one cared or wanted to help.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » February 10, 2003, 1:32 pm

Fallanthas wrote:You left two things out of your analogy, Winnow.

1. You are an adult, fully capable of scooping your own jello.

2. Noone was paying Thess to scoop jello. The idea that she should have continued serving beyond the point where she wasn't enjoying it anymore is what I was addressing.

1. Adults are usually a little more responsible and take the time to transition things.

2. The argument that no one was paying thess is stupid. Everyone is playing EQ for fun. Some like to take on more challenging roles. When they do that, it would also be nice for them to be considerate of the people that trusted them in that position to not fuck them over. "It's just a game". Sure, that gives you the right to not give a shit. Warcraft and Doom are more your speed with the juvi crowd.

It's like if kyoukan was leading her pack of sled dogs across the frozen tundra and she decided to gut fish instead for a living. You don't just leave the sled dogs in the middle of the tundra still strapped to the sled. You could...those dogs mean nothing to her new job but that doesn't make it right. What you do is find the nearest igloo and hand the reigns off to another person and enjoy your new position knowing you can still have a special relationship with your dogs because you didn't screw them over.

Shaerra · Post by **Shaerra** » February 10, 2003, 1:42 pm

Winnow wrote:CTers have since moved on to new desserts/future plans. Some chose to follow thess and eat fudge, some are skipping dessert now while still others have found whipped cream and strawberries and that has made all the difference.

Some of us are still eating our deformed jello. hehe

Well, in my limited contact with Thess, she seemed nice. She was playful when she wasn't stressed about guild stuff. I don't particularly like how the officers tried to kill CT, but I was new so I really don't have any say in who's to blame or anything like that. All I can say is that when DAoC came out and I left my guild on Sullon Zek to play DAoC with my friends, I prepared them in advance and I turned over leadership to a senior officer. No need to put everyone out on the street.

It just seemed to me (and I may be way off base) that the folks who wanted to leave also wanted to keep their droppables...and the only way to do that without catching shit (because they were adamant about other people turning in droppables when they left the guild) was to disband the guild. Again, that's just what went through my mind, and again, I don't know shit from shinola because I only joined CT to play with friends, I didn't get into any of the fights or arguments or debates. I just logged on, did a /who all celestial and headed for wherever the guild was.

In my short experience with the "Old" CT, I must say that there were some excellent tacticians and some VERY nice people...as well as some real assholes. But Thess was nice to me, even when I know she was busy with 400 tells in the middle of a raid. Also, Mezzmor took charge of the Enc's on raids, assigned duties and was a great help when I had questions. Cerberus was nice...it broke my heart that he E-bayed after we got him the BoC.

As for the other officers, I really didn't have a lot of contact with them.

Oh, and one final thing about Thess...she has been flagged SO many times for SO many PoP zones, because she personally spent a TON of time making sure that every CT member was flagged.

There's my two cents, not that any of it matters because as I've said, I tried to stay out of the drama (ironic, isn't it?) and just have fun.

I really hope that people can put their bad feelings aside though. There are a lot of CT that I've played with more since they left CT than I did when we were guildmates, and they're wonderful. Also, I've found that my ex-CT friends are still there for me when needed, as I will always be there for them. Sounds sappy as shit, but they are stand-up folks (Like Ceno, Flawen, Voidstalker, Kilantiz, Emezzerelda and many others!)

And I have a lot of respect for the people who did their best to keep CT going after the crash.

Fallanthas · Post by **Fallanthas** » February 10, 2003, 1:51 pm

Everyone is playing EQ for fun.

And when it stops being fun??????

Until you have pulled the cart (with 60 people sittin in it bitching about the direction) you have no right to throw mud at the horse that got you this far.

Being an officer, or worse a guildleader is a bitch of a job. There isn't any way to step down gracefully, because folks just can't resist the urge to sling mud once you are no longer in a position to feed their gear craving.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » February 10, 2003, 1:56 pm

Being an officer, or worse a guildleader is a bitch of a job. There isn't any way to step down gracefully, because folks just can't resist the urge to sling mud once you are no longer in a position to feed their gear craving.

Bullshit. You think this was the first guildleader stepping down in CT that I've seen? The others didn't come back, post a message saying the guild was disbanded so everyone go do something else. Some of you people have no clue what happened. I'd post the message but when I went to look for it a few days after it was posted it was already deleted. That's the part that really pisses me off. (The post itself not the fact that it was deleted)

Fallanthas · Post by **Fallanthas** » February 10, 2003, 2:00 pm

I wasn't there Aslanna, so I have no clue what happened.

As an outsider looking in, what I see is a guildleader who put CT back on the footing of a legitimate enterprise, rather than someone other guilds petitioned by reflex as soon as they were seen in zone.

And being an officer/guildleader is a bitch. I have had the fortune not to be asked to do it in EQ. Serving on RL bords, committess and state organizations gave me plenty of time to realize that volunteeer responsibility is the quick road to ulcers and damaged reputations.

So take your bullshit and stuff it way, way up girl.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » February 10, 2003, 2:09 pm

Nobody forced her to take over the guild. She chose to do it on her own. If she couldn't handle it then step down and let someone else try it.

So kindly remove nose from ass and STFU.

It would have been almost worth it if CD would have recruited a nice chunk of CT and got away from being CoEs lapdog. I find it rather hypocritical that someone who hated Leyor so openly (in guildchat at least) now stands beside him on raids.

Fallanthas · Post by **Fallanthas** » February 10, 2003, 2:12 pm

If she couldn't handle it then step down and let someone else try it.

Waiting for you to realize the problem with this statement.

As for nose from ass, Thess doesn't know me from Adam. We don't raid together, we don't go out looking for curtains and wallpaper.

As I said, an outsiders opinion on the first leader to make your guild palatable to others. I would think she would get more respect for that.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » February 10, 2003, 2:21 pm

Fallanthas wrote:
Everyone is playing EQ for fun.
And when it stops being fun??????

Until you have pulled the cart (with 60 people sittin in it bitching about the direction) you have no right to throw mud at the horse that got you this far.

Thanks for not getting the point at all for the 3rd post. It's well known that being a guildleader is a bitch job that you take upon yourself to do. So what? That's known going into the position. Thess told me repeatedly in Vegas how much she loved being GL and the responsibilities that come with it. When that desire changes, there's better ways to leave your guild.

Note to Fallanthas so I don't get the exact same response again...The GL is NOT responsibile for anyone's entertainment although they know going into the position that the workload is heavy for their new role. GL is not a glamour job. There's absolutely no problem with being open with your guild and telling them you're leaving for another guild and taking on less responsibilities so you can enjoy the game. There is an issue with pointing fingers, telling everyone that you killed CT and bolting is debatable though.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » February 10, 2003, 2:21 pm

Waiting for you to realize the problem with this statement.

You'll be waiting a rather long time since I don't see any problem with that statement.

As I said, an outsiders opinion on the first leader to make your guild palatable to others. I would think she would get more respect for that.

She had my respect. She lost it with how (again, how and not why) she left her position as guildleader and the guild itself. If you love something you don't try destroying it when it's time for you to move on. Whether it was intentional or not is up to debate.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » February 10, 2003, 2:27 pm

Fallanthas wrote:I wasn't there Aslanna, so I have no clue what happened.

Jugata · Post by **Jugata** » February 10, 2003, 3:08 pm

Only thing I can see done wrong is that we didnt actually disband the guild. The name should have been retired in respect for all those people who have come and gone.

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » February 10, 2003, 3:10 pm

Sigh I hate to post on this, but since I was a CT member from day 1, unlike a lot of the dumbasses flapping their lips right and left here, and the many dumbasses who were never members of CT.

CT was a great guild, Bandog, Sirton, Xanupox, A Quiet Monk, and Thess were all decent while performing as guild leaders. Some had bad reputations outside of the guild, and some had good reputations outside of the guild. We had some incredible human beings behind some of the toons, like Sithe/Grimme and Riz, Icemana, Tiglat, Oncelot, Teurde, Ishtanna (even though Ishtanna can come across as a nut, she is a damn good person) and Sueven/Kaluian are merely a few specific examples.

We had a core of damn fine people, yeah, we had some people that were pretty damn rotten also, Agdarr and the infamous "I still can't figure out what made her trip" Luite are good examples of that crowd.

We had a rotating group of people that performed from pathetically to a mediocre level to accompany the above groups. 99% of all the failures on raids, and outside issues came from this group.

But all in all we had esprit de corp that was nearly unequalled in any game enviroment I have ever encountered, many of these people I still count as brothers and sisters, and I always will. Tiglat has such a huge heart that anyone attacking him deserves immediate execution.

Did Thess kill CT? No, not really, while she did the most damage of any exiting guildleader, she did not in fact kill CT. CT was killed by loss of heart among the core, and by some wierd activities by some of those that sought to keep it alive. I fault no one individual with all of the blame, and any person doing so is wrong.

This all said, when a great guild falls, it is done, and this picking at the corpse or attacking the individuals is sad. Let it go, and you will have the good memories, let it fester and you will only have the hate.

Once again, I miss you my one time comrades, and while we may not play a game together, I will always be your friend.

Kylere Ap'Kailere

Pilsburry · Post by **Pilsburry** » February 10, 2003, 3:30 pm

Winnow
Your jello analogy was decent except you forgot sirton and xan had already scooped the jello for 2 years, she didn't take the easy scoops, she took a bowl of jello that was almost empty and managed to scoop out jello for another year.

Aslanna
Yes, other guld leaders stepped down in the past. Bandog, Sirton, and Xanupox, Zairus.

However because your a newb and know nothing about the history of CT I'll clear it up for you.

1. I don't know much about the Bandog step down. I wasn't in CT for that.

2. When Sirton left he made a long post and took half the guild with him to make Legacy of Virtues. So I guess that right there fucks up your whole "all the others were smooth transitions" theory. It was pretty obvious who was going to be next GL, Xanupox...he was clearly a leader and willing to do the work.

3. Xanupox quit by simply no longer logging in. He hadn't played for like 3 months before he stepped down as leader. He didn't give the guild a heads up or hand the spoon over. He did take a lot of shit that was qualified as guild bank gear and pass it on...over eBay. Things like Kael armor mult-quest etc..without offering it to his guildmates. And he made a post inviting people to come play DAOC with him, which is where he really was the last 3 months....Was that a smooth transition?

4. The officers who remained passed the spoon to Zairus (actually the officers wanted toshira or thess, but they didn't want to be GL), Xanupox didn't have anything to do with that. We quickly realized that while Zairus had knowldge of the game and was a good guy, that he wasn't really cut out for handling conflicts etc....and lacked the agressivness we needed. This was our only smooth transition.

5. When Thess saw we really needed her she decided although she didn't want to be Guild Leader that she would do it to help out. For months before she left she looked for someone with leadership skills. Winnow of course wasn't in CT so she has no clue because we booted him for being a fucktard, twice. But before the break up we were having trial officer status where we would test anyone as an officer to see what they could offer to get some of the work off Thess's back. It didn't go well...

That's how CT really progressed, none of that smooth transition bullshit. Thess tried harder then anyone else to have a smooth transition. Plus she didn't want to be Guild Leader to begin with, she picked up the job out of necessity. She could have just let CT die that day rather then putting in a year of hard ass work.

Pryo

I do blame you Pils. I blame everyone that left with Thess. What Thess did to the guild was greedy. When Xanupox left the guild he let us know he was leaving and told us to get our shit together. When Thess left she said well screw you guys Im taking those people I like with me and the rest of you can go pike off.

I didn't leave with Thess. Thess didn't take anyone with her to CD, some people did go to CD, but not many. Half the hardcore people in CT still are guildless. A decent number are in many guilds.

As I just told Aslanna...Xanupox quit playing EQ 3 months before he made that post about leaving. Then he invited people to play DAOC with him (some left), and he ebayed soem guild gear w/o passing it in. You can't remember this well because I think you were palying what was it counter-strike or something? Yes, that's right you quit CT for a long period for game or IRL reasons.....but your cool, and Thess should rot in hell.

Thess did 100x more for CT then you ever did. You showed up to raids fairly often when you weren't off on counter strike, but you didn't do much else. You did train people intentionally, or like kill people who were watching the BotB and stuff, but that's the opposite of making things easier on officers.

IE you don't have a leg to stand on so STFU.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » February 10, 2003, 4:26 pm

However because your a newb and know nothing about the history of CT I'll clear it up for you.

Newb? Nice assumption considering you were in CT what, a few months before I was? I'm quite aware of CTs history. Thanks anyway. I was there for all the guildleaders you spoke of other than Bandog. Newb? Try not being such a pompous ass in just about every one of your posts.

So thanks for fucking clearing up absolutely zero. The point of your post was what?

Thess tried harder then anyone else to have a smooth transition.

This is so laughable I don't even know where to start. I suppose if you live in a bazarro world that may have been the case.

Ninan · Post by **Ninan** » February 10, 2003, 5:16 pm

Hey Kilmoll, How ya doing old friend? Hope all is going well for you.

Mezzmor the problem you and Kil pointed out about getting attendance for Emp, VT, Seru, raids vs. small turnout for PoP raids is not uncommon. PoP is tedius, slow going, requires a pecking order of kills to advance, and in the end the rewards await those who did the work.

In the guild I am in was no different, it took the GL threatening in a variety of ways to get the turnout we got when doing Emp or VT. In the end though we have gotten to all 4 elemental planes, gotten OMGIAMRETARDEDCAUSEALOTISTWOWORDS of amazing stat loot and lots of runes for 65 spells.
It also has been a shitload of cr'ing, many many failures before successes, and in general a real pain in the ass. PoP requires time and focus, and only a very small percentage of players will ever see the end game of EQ.

Then again, there's Horizons coming out in a few months so new games are on the horizon.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » February 10, 2003, 5:22 pm

Pilsburry wrote: 5. When Thess saw we really needed her she decided although she didn't want to be Guild Leader that she would do it to help out. For months before she left she looked for someone with leadership skills. Winnow of course wasn't in CT so she has no clue because we booted him for being a fucktard, twice. But before the break up we were having trial officer status where we would test anyone as an officer to see what they could offer to get some of the work off Thess's back. It didn't go well...

IE you don't have a leg to stand on so STFU.

Everything he just said is bullshit with the exception of "It didn't go well..."

Thess wanted to be GL, was proud of it, and enjoyed being GL for awhile. I knew about it because thess was the one to send me a tell when she became GL and like it or not, I still talked to her then. While you were off sucking it up, I was kept up to date more than you on current CT affairs. I had more people in CT telling me what was going on than you had friends in the guild.

One of the trial officers was Pils and he sucked so bad the officers would have booted him if he didn't step down. Spin it any way you want, but you blew chunks Pils. You are as much of an authority on Celestial Tomb as is the Drewon guy that posts here from time to time that I've never heard of.

Again, being booted by the officers that imploded CT doesn't bother me in the least. The regular members of CT were a fun bunch that I enjoyed playing with. Vote on that.

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » February 10, 2003, 5:56 pm

Jesus Christ, shut the fuck up all of you, CT is dead, let is rest in peace.

Winnow, and Pilsburry are both guild fucking newbies, so neither have any value to contribute.

Badabidi · Post by **Badabidi** » February 10, 2003, 5:59 pm

amen to that Kylere

Sabek · Post by **Sabek** » February 10, 2003, 6:05 pm

Kind of wierd that this flamefest was started by some tard with half a brain and is now banned.

Shaerra · Post by **Shaerra** » February 10, 2003, 6:06 pm

Woot! Shatner has arrived!

Lexien · Post by **Lexien** » February 10, 2003, 6:56 pm

I second what Kylere said.

I think i went blind reading this thread.

No wait i still can see.. so i can press this submit button

/pharm

Drozified · Post by **Drozified** » February 10, 2003, 7:15 pm

Was about time for another Thess hater post to come up, was pretty dead here. I won't rerun everything thats been said, I've been in CT from the get go, and am still there now. CT the raid guild is gone, but the guild CT still is around. Sure, its not the same place it used to be, but the name lives on as a casual place. I'm glad that we have been able to rebuild to the point we have, and didn't lose all who stayed. I welcome all the new members who have joined, and to the others who still apply, even knowing that its not a raid guild at this point in time.

Drewno · Post by **Drewno** » February 10, 2003, 10:00 pm

Who are you? Were you in CT longer than a week? See post above whoever you are.

You dumbfuck winnow. I was in CT for 9 months before its collapse. There is a reason that nobody on this board ever fucking agrees with you. Die.

Pyronius Flamebringer · February 11, 2003, 2:02 pm

You did leave with her..whether your final destonations were the same or not it doesnt mantter. You all left together.

As far as me not showing up when I was playing Counterstrike? WTF is your and Claritins problem with that shit....you forget I was retired for a while and because I seen Scrimpy and Zergs in Counterstrike what 3 times that means I was dedicating all my free time to it like I was EQ? Your a retard for assuming such stupid shit. I had a JOB that had LONG HOURS. One that required effort. I know you may not be used to this concept but it will happen someday that you may have a responsiblity that will make it difficult for you to play games all day and night.

And what the hell does me killing people in the cleric BotB have to do with anything? And omg I trained people before for stealing my camp? Holeee Shit Pils...Wish I had your Halo of Perfection. All you did whenever you and I would talk is complain and whine like a bitch.

Jugata....what did you even do to help the guild? Asides from switching your main from a needed class to a necro then nab every peice of loot you could. Tell me if you join a new guild are you going to keep your guildremove hotkey?

And Drewon thanks for putting so much thought into your flame.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » February 11, 2003, 2:16 pm

Drewno wrote:
Who are you? Were you in CT longer than a week? See post above whoever you are.
You dumbfuck winnow. I was in CT for 9 months before its collapse. There is a reason that nobody on this board ever fucking agrees with you. Die.

I still don't know who the fuck you are.

Thought you were a gimp or secondary or something. I was told Drewno is Drewno. /shrug

Draaxx · Post by **Draaxx** » February 11, 2003, 3:04 pm

Drewon you were in ct for less than 9 months dude, i was in it for ~7 and you joined after me. AND WHERE ARE MY RANJ0R BUFFZ0RZ?!?!?!

Pilsburry · Post by **Pilsburry** » February 11, 2003, 5:28 pm

Bullshit. You think this was the first guildleader stepping down in CT that I've seen? The others didn't come back, post a message saying the guild was disbanded so everyone go do something else.

-Aslanna

That's why I called you a newb Aslanna, because you say stupid shit like this, read my last post again explaining how all our other guildleaders left. Maybe you'll get it this time. Xanupox and Sirton both tried to pull members out of CT as they left, one to DAOC and one to Legacy of Virtues. Sirton was a bit more sucessful, but Xanupox's eBay'ing of guild stuff helped balance it out.
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Kylere,
You may have joined CT 6 months before me, but all I missed was Naggy and Vox, I was there for the first trakanon etc..first revamped cazic and inno, first gorenaire, I wasn't keyed for the first VP tho..but I did show up a few weeks later for first Phara Dar. And since then my attendance was approx 2x higher then yours. In other words, I've probably had more hours on-line in CT then you did, by a large margin. I wouldn't have said that because I consider you a friend IRL, but you got in my business so I'm going to state it like it is.

However that shouldn't even be a topic, because were supossed to be friends....but maybe I was mistaken. Not sure what happened...anyway were into different things now anyway your into pen and paper role playing games and I'm going to parties/bars/etc....plus my brother doesn't live next door to you anymore as of saturday, so good luck IRL, and if you ever want to talk or get together shoot me an e-mail....you know my e-mail address. Otherwise I guess this is goodbye, Thanks for the time we had.
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And Winnow, yes I was one of the officers, I was not trial though, trial officers came later, way after I stepped down. I was voted in, I was tied with Thess (that would be tied for #1) for votes in even though I told all my best friends and family I honestly did not want to be officer and not to put my name down. The very fact you remember I was an officer puts me ahead of the others, can you name them all? Better yet can you name them all and atleast one thing they did to help CT progress?

I accepted the position with much hesitation, I figured if everyone wanted me to lead I would give it a shot. I gave it a shot and I found most of our officers did nothing, and the ones who did mostly lacked any focus what so ever. I started to butt heads with people daily over shit that should have been non-issues...like getting keyed for emporer VS getting keyed for inner acrylia...when we were already half keyed for emporer and emporer leads to VT. There were lots of items like that, many of them I look back on now and know I was right...but a few were wrong.

And Winnow I will give you that at first thess was happy to be GL, BUT she DID turn the position down and handed it to Zairus, I was in officer chat when we selected Xanupox's replacement, I know this for fact. She did step up later and did an excellent job. And she did mention to me several times in the months before she left CT that she was tired of leading and wanted to leave, but felt if she left there was noone to take over so she stuck it out to look for a replacement.

Also Winnow, even if I was the worst officer ever....atleast I wasn't booted from the guild twice. I wasn't even removed from officership, I stepped down due to several disagreements as far as guild direction, quickness to react, and other more personal reasons. I don't think removing me from CT was ever even discussed. Removing me from officership was discussed, I know so because I'm the one who started the thread, because I felt like I was constantly butting heads with people. And I felt perhaps they were just too chicken to post the thread, so I did. They wouldn't vote to remove me, much like they wouldn't vote on policy or anything really....I would surely have been an officer as long as I wanted to be one, just because we couldn't get shit passed if our lives depended on it. Anyway I stepped down because they couldn't/wouldn't vote me off.

But yeah you know everything, you know why I stepped down was because I was about to be removed.../laugh. And I was our worst officer. Seriously, you need to check your sources. I didn't lead raids, but I did help in many other ways...clerics don't make good raid leaders because they don't pull and as a matter of fact, they usually just stare at walls, so they have no idea how to get places. However:

I lead small late night raids.
I did attendance (which actually is time consuming)
I did loot tracking a little (As far as enterign it in our database)
I was the guy who got us on heal rotation and was in charge of it on almost every raid.
I voted fairly on loot.
I helped settle quite a few arguments, however not in your case...

A few told me I was thier favorite officer and they didn't want me to step down, when thess quit I even got some tells asking me to be GL. However obviously if I didn't want to be officer, I don't want to be GL.

My assigned duty was to monitor the class leaders (shared this task with Aruman), unfortunately I couldn't get inactive leaders replaced because that required votes by other officers...IE one of my pet peeves was Skybobo who hadn't played in 6 months was warrior class leader, but we couldn't replace him due to lack of support by other officers, I had to vote him out and vote a replacement in...but we couldn't get even that vote passed. As with all policy etc I tried to handle.....this is why I stepped down...not because I was about to get removed but because as hard as I tried I couldn't get shit accomplished so I was basically slamming my head against the wall for 4 hours every day (that's about how much time I spent doing non-in-game stuff for CT per day).

I was an average officer, but I was loud and I pushed to get things done. That made me stand out and be noticed, I usually got about 65% agreement with me and 35% against....but at some point or other everyone disagreed with me. People who disagree are usually a bit louder then those who agree. Plus Pils and Winnow never got along....never will. But Winnow you know there were a lot more quiet types that were worse officers then me. I might call you stupid or retarded, but I know you know what I just said is true, just like I will never say your a shitty shaman....because I know that's not true.

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » February 11, 2003, 5:57 pm

You were also the only officer who whined and threatened and I quote "if we do not go to VT, I will go there one way or another. If that means leaving CT to join a guild doing VT, I will." Survey SAYS...loot whore! Number one answer.

Maybe part of the reason Kylere called you a noob was because you didn't do Vox or Nagy. Compared to him, you are a noob.

noel · Post by **noel** » February 11, 2003, 6:02 pm

No offense to anyone posting here, but can we please move this thread to the 'CT Alumni' Forum?

Forthe · Post by **Forthe** » February 11, 2003, 6:03 pm

omfg move on. Nobody comes out of this argument looking good. You are doing yourselves a disservice continuing this.

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » February 11, 2003, 6:04 pm

No. Thanks for asking.

noel · Post by **noel** » February 11, 2003, 6:05 pm

Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:No. Thanks for asking.

The pleasure was mine. Seems it's time to look for some pictures of Pie again.

Mak · Post by **Mak** » February 11, 2003, 6:08 pm

You know, a guild is more than any single person, even if that person is the GL.

If you can blame the collapse of your guild on one or two people then the guild was a hollow shell anyway and needed to die.

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » February 11, 2003, 6:17 pm

noel · Post by **noel** » February 11, 2003, 6:20 pm

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » February 11, 2003, 6:58 pm

much <8 for teh key lime

masteen · Post by **masteen** » February 11, 2003, 7:04 pm

Did we decide that cheesecake is pie (as its consistency would seem) or cake (as it's named)?

Anyway, I had a slice of Key Lime Cheesecake from a Cheesecake Factory in Miami the other day. OMFG was it tasty!

Sabek · Post by **Sabek** » February 11, 2003, 7:05 pm

They should hand out a retard crash helmet and a short-yellow bus pass when you click on this thread.

Didn't this dead horse already get beat way too long when Thess first left?

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » February 11, 2003, 7:10 pm

Shaerra · Post by **Shaerra** » February 11, 2003, 7:14 pm

Winnow wrote:

Price quote and delivery ETA please

Pilsburry · Post by **Pilsburry** » February 11, 2003, 7:41 pm

Actually Kilmoll

Survey SAYS...loot whore! Number one answer.

That is way out of line.

You were an officer, an inactive one.....but still you had access to the loot ratios.

My loot ratio was around 33:1. The average loot ratio in the guild was about 22:1 for preists, for melee and such it was more like 15:1 or so....So essentially I had 50% less loot per raid then the average CT preist, even worse if you compared me to warriors and such, but we all know there are more meleeitems then caster items.

I'll explain to you about my loot ratio very quickly....perhaps you saw this on the raids we attended when we voted on loot....

I didn't put my name in on loot often.

Loot doesn't motivate me. Seeing all the content the game has to offer motivates me.

You on the other hand didn't want to work towards VT because you never did like doing anything that required effort, as a matter of fact you generally logged at 11pm, and if you didn't see anything on that raid you wanted you would be anon in some other zone on occassion.

I never skipped raids, I always went and got my keys so that I wouldn't hold the guilds progression up.

But yes I did bitch because we were focusing on Inner Acrylia keys and Dain belts when we could have been moving forward to VT. But that's because I play to win. And again I said it was near sighted asses like yourself that made me step down as officer, and also why I was considering leaving before Thess stepped down.

Like I said, I didn't leave with Thess, I left because Thess was the only other officer that was interested in progression instead of immediate loot-rewards, so when she left I knew CT was doomed.

Also, I didn't take any guild droppables with me when I left. I turned them in months prior to my leaving. I also didn't put my name in on loot for approx 4 months before I left...although I did still play often.

I don't have any PoP loot. Shit, look at my profile and count the number of god drops. Then ask yourself when I got them.

I got my cazic halo as pretty much rot, it was like the 11th one we got that month. I got maybe the 6th tunare earring...I had the 4th highest preist attendance (aruman, ceno, and aallaan beat me, but there was a decent margin after me to the next guys). My shield was rot. I got like the last set of full kael.

My cloak of mourning, that was nice I got that early BUT it was the day AE was gimped...there were 5 clerics on the raid. Kavden, Atak, Hemo, Scimpy, and Pilsburry. I played Scrimpy(my bro) and Pilsburry(me), Drfun's cleric gimp and Soshaa's cleric gimp. So I mean look at the competition...it was just me and kavden....I mean Kavden is a great cleric, we had similar loot ratios etc...but it was really down to me and one other guy in the running period.

2 secondaries got Heal sticks from VP and I did not.

Your loot whore argument carries no water what so ever. Yes, I had decent gear, but I earned it with my attendance. That's why we took attendance and tracked loot....so we could award based on attendance. Prior to that change in loot policy I hadn't gotten jack shit.

My first 6 months in CT all I got was 3 rot items. Rot EM BP, PoG legs which were almost rot, PoG BP that was almost rot. My first god drop came near my 1 year anniversary. It was a weight reducing bag off the dragon in skyfire.

Yeah, I'm a fucking loot whore.

noel · Post by **noel** » February 11, 2003, 7:48 pm

Hi, I Pie-locked this thread already....

noel · Post by **noel** » February 11, 2003, 7:50 pm

noel · Post by **noel** » February 11, 2003, 7:51 pm

noel · Post by **noel** » February 11, 2003, 7:52 pm

Bill Gates likes the pie!

noel · Post by **noel** » February 11, 2003, 8:09 pm

Ajran · Post by **Ajran** » February 11, 2003, 8:12 pm

....Then a sound began deep in Lardass's stomach.

noel · Post by **noel** » February 11, 2003, 8:50 pm

VeeshanVault

Thess

yawn

Thess

*yawn*

yawn