It's cool man, use whatever term you like, most people wear disagreeing with you as a badge of honour so there's no need to be gentle.Winnow wrote: I'm trying to find a gentle way to say that you're idiots but can't find one.
Windows Key + F is mentioned nowhere for the newb that I saw, so how would I "hunt and peck" up that command?miir wrote:Windows key + F
Click Apps
You'll find the Snipping tool under 'Windows Accessories'
It's fewer keystrokes than Windows 7.
Seriously dude, things are just as easy (if not easier) to find in Windows 8.
Trying to say that they aren't just makes you look kinda stupid.
Not wanting to upgrade is fine. Saying Windows interface is shitty is just plain ignorant though. It's as easy or easy to do anything in Windows 8 as it was in Windows 7, and all in desktop mode. You don't need to access charms (as I demonstrated in my last post). It comes down to the search window filling the entire screen which somehow has completely freaked people out. That's the only difference. You can get to all the funcions on the search menu just was easy (as I just demonstrated with a simple right click exactly where the search button used to be) so I'm really not sure what sucks about the UI. The metro part it is actually pretty damn cool. I'm liking the apps. I like navigating in them even using a mouse. I put up the news apps on my third screen and it's like having an active newspaper all the time. They look fantastic and take advantage of a full screen. For anyone that's actually used it awhile (I guess only myself and mirr) it gets better, not worse over time. But again, take a deep breath and listen...it's 100% optional. You don't have to touch one of those scary RT apps EVER in Windows 8 if you don't want to.Aslanna wrote:Honestly the times I use Search in Windows are about twice a month. if that. I know where everything is so it's not a deal breaker either way. However the shitty Windows 8 interface is a definite deal breaker!
That keyboard shortcut is not new.Zaelath wrote:You argument is that "after training, things are easier than they were before", and my rebuttal would be, "yeah, so?"
Fancy, never used it, no need. Win + E and search (which is renamed find, but the shortcut is not, so the shortcut instead of being intuitive is not) window is right there... plus I've never just searched the whole computer.miir wrote:That keyboard shortcut is not new.Zaelath wrote:You argument is that "after training, things are easier than they were before", and my rebuttal would be, "yeah, so?"
Windows Key + F for search predates Windows XP
I think you make 2 unproved assertions there.miir wrote:So what exactly is your point?
I've seen people that are too stupid to even figure out how to use the start menu.
The only way they can find programs is if the shortcuts are on the desktop.
The Windows 8 (metro) start screen makes it easier for the stupidest of users to find things.
It also makes it easier for normal users (who are not too pigheaded and stubborn) to do things.
It takes only about a week of using it before it becomes second nature.
Just for shits and giggles, here's a thread where we made exactly the opposite arguments about "OMG, Firefox doesn't open searches in a new window"Winnow wrote:Siji, you may rank as one of the dumbest people on this board. Be thankful Spang is still posting.
I've had zero issues navigating anywhere in Windows 8. I post examples of how easy it is for you ignoramuses because of the inane shit that spews out of mostly you, aslanna and Zaelath's pie holes. I suppose I could just wait and let you people look even dumber by waiting awhile and let you build up to a frenzy of saying stupid inaccurate shit and then make your comments look stupid once a week in a journal format if you want instead of daily.
This is the easiest thread ever. On one side you have concrete examples and responses addressing how far off the mark you are vs "windows 8 sux!"
Here you go.. Some statistics. What do you have other than "it's selling more than Windows 7 did"? Which it more than likely isn't.Winnow wrote:Do you have any statistics or comparison to the Windows 7 release regarding a bunch of computers no one is buying?Aslanna wrote:It means exactly what it says. It's sitting on a bunch of computers that nobody is buying!Winnow wrote:What the hell does that mean? You can say the same about any new version of Windows. It's still selling more than Windows 7 did during the first month.Aslanna wrote:I think you know "licenses sold" isn't really a great indicator of how many people are actually using it.
Yes. It's selling like hotcakes, obviously!New figures show that Windows 8 usage a month after launch parallels that of Windows Vista rather than Windows 7 -- one more piece of evidence that Windows 8's launch has been a poor one for Microsoft. But there's more to the figures than meets the eye. Are things really as bad as they seem for Windows 8?
Net Applications reports that during November, 1.2% of all Windows PCs were running Windows 8. That's generally comparable to the launch of Windows Vista, which in its first month of launch was running on 1% of all Windows PC. As for Windows 7, it had 4.3% usage share after its first month.
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Microsoft, for its part, claims that 40 million Windows 8 licenses have been sold since launch -- although that number is not the number of people who have actually bought Windows 8, but instead Windows 8 PCs that have been shipped to retailers or distribution points.
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Still, even with Black Friday added in, it's unlikely that the Windows 8 launch was a winner, considering the Net Applications usage numbers. While it's true that some percentage of Black Friday buyers were buying Windows 8 PCs for presents, it's likely plenty were also buying them for themselves. A 1.2% market share for Windows 8 after its first month compared to a 4.3% for Windows 7 for its first month shows that for now at least, Windows 8 takeup hasn't come close to matching that of Windows 7.
I don't follow the point your trying to make with that thread reference. My point with searches opening in new tabs was one of reducing keystrokes. People seemed to think it was ok to hit control-t to open a new tab while I thought it made more sense to have a setting that automatically opened a tab in a new window. Same with address bar searches and click and dragging hyperlinks on a page to open them in new search windows. Also opening bookmarks automatically in new tabs. Most people would prefer a new tab open when researching things on a browser. Why always type "CTRL-T" when you can just start typing and get the results you're looking for in a new window? It's the same with the click and drag plug-in to open links in a new window. Click and drag a few pixels and release is easier than right clicking and selecting "open link in new tab". It seems counter intuitive to open a tab before you search when it can be opened automatically, saving a step.Zaelath wrote:
Just for shits and giggles, here's a thread where we made exactly the opposite arguments about "OMG, Firefox doesn't open searches in a new window"
http://www.veeshanvault.org/forums/view ... 01#p324901
(I still use ctrl+t, but alt-home isn't needed since everything searches from the address bar these days)
It's funny watching you degrade your argument slowly into nothing but ad hominem attacks and proof by assertion. It's like the interactive version of Fox News.
You don't need to remember any new keystrokes. You either press the windows key or you move your cursor to the bottom left corner of the screen and right click. So essentially, the difference between windows 7 and windows 8 comes down to either left clicking or right clicking in the corner of the screen.Zaelath wrote:The point was Windows 8 is apparently better if you remember a lot of keyboard shortcuts and special hot corners and that right-click does obscure context sensitive actions, where as I was arguing "opening search in a new tab" was every bit as possible with a couple of keyboard shortcuts.
Fairweather, you are better than this. It says it right there in the article that it isn't the cause. Could it be that everyone thinks they need a tablet these days? Or smart phones? Or have decided they don't need to buy a new pc because money is tight?“It hasn’t made the market any worse, but it hasn’t stimulated things either,”
And again, it's just ignorance. CTRL-ALT-DELETE gets you to the sign in/sign out/switch user, shut down, and task manager. It's not "hidden" it's just different than Windows 7. You and your old buddy probably just think it's only accessible from dem'dere charm thingies!Zaelath wrote:http://bgr.com/2012/12/06/windows-8-cri ... droid-ios/
Summary article about a tablet-centric review, a lot of it translates though, like the stupid place the shutdown is hidden.
He's old though (49) so I'm sure it's just because he's resistant to change.
Yeah, it's there, and no one uses it from there.Winnow wrote:And again, it's just ignorance. CTRL-ALT-DELETE gets you to the sign in/sign out/switch user, shut down, and task manager. It's not "hidden" it's just different than Windows 7. You and your old buddy probably just think it's only accessible from dem'dere charm thingies!Zaelath wrote:http://bgr.com/2012/12/06/windows-8-cri ... droid-ios/
Summary article about a tablet-centric review, a lot of it translates though, like the stupid place the shutdown is hidden.
He's old though (49) so I'm sure it's just because he's resistant to change.
I don't know about you but I rarely "shut down" any of my tablets. Maybe for a firmware update or something. You turn them off. (there's a power button for that. AMAZING!)Zaelath wrote:
Plus, and more importantly, he's reviewing a TOUCH OPERATING SYSTEM, so where's ctrl-alt-del?
You keep using that straw man, and it keeps on making me laugh.Winnow wrote:I don't know about you but I rarely "shut down" any of my tablets. Maybe for a firmware update or something. You turn them off. (there's a power button for that. AMAZING!)Zaelath wrote:
Plus, and more importantly, he's reviewing a TOUCH OPERATING SYSTEM, so where's ctrl-alt-del?
On a touchscreen, getting to the shut down is even easier with just a swipe in from the right side of the screen. What the hell is so hard about that? I would think it actually makes sense to have it one layer deep as you rarely completely power off a tablet device. If you're on a keyboard system then CNTL ALT DELETE works great. Same way you got to the task manager before. I do it all the time to lock my PC and never once thought it was a chore to get to. Switching users is even easier on the metro screen but you can cntl alt delete to do that as well if the Start screen still scares you.
Um, it's based off of Windows 7. Not very bright are you?Boogahz wrote:My counter is that Windows 8 blows, and your inability to even provide any ways that it better than VISTA proves it.
Boogahz wrote:So it is better to go to Windows 7 and skip all of of your bullshit about magical buttons
The Desktop Mode Wins, On The Desktop
After using Windows 8 for a few days now my general impression is, somewhat surprisingly, mostly positive, but this is not necessarily a vindication of Microsoft’s approach. It is simply down to the fact that as a desktop user I spend most of my time in the desktop “app”, rarely even touching the fancy new UI. As it turns out, so long as you do this, the new UI acts as not much more than a glorified replacement of the old Start menu.
It is worth noting that, so long as a desktop user sticks to the desktop mode, Windows 8 actually represents a significant improvement in user experience and performance. Windows 8 has a lighter hardware footprint and generally appears faster than Windows 8. Its desktop UI gets rid of some of the unnecessary shiny bling giving the OS a more elegant feel, and the often used Windows Explorer gains some welcome features such as the return of the up button and a ribbon-like menus with quick access to commonly used tasks. The taskbar is still there and operates just as it did in Windows 7, without compromise.
Other than relatively minor issues, a desktop user will probably find Windows 8 a surprising improvement over Windows 7. The new UI offers something extra, but it’s extra that doesn’t disrupt the familiar experience, at least not as much as many expected.
The biggest difference is that instead of the old Start menu we get the new Start screen, but this is at worst just a trade off. The new screen offers a bit more flexibility in terms of how you want to order your favorite often used applications, gives more information at a glance through integration with various cloud and social services, and arguably just looks nicer. On the other hand, it takes up the whole screen, and the list of all available applications as well as the way to bring it up (right click and then click on “All Apps”) might not be to everyone’s liking.
Leaving this trade off aside the performance improvements, a more elegant desktop UI, improved file manager, and various other details like the improved task manager, a new simpler Open With box, integration with social, messaging and cloud services for system wide notifications probably make for an improved overall experience compared to Windows 7. Of all these, however, I’d have to count performance improvements the most valuable, especially for people upgrading Windows on older PCs. I know of at least one case where Windows 8 actually made an old computer run faster.
Perhaps the biggest problem Microsoft has with Windows 8 is the perception problem, which will make it hard for people to see past their fear of unknown and initial impressions. When most people take a first look at Windows 8 the first thing they see isn’t the faster and more elegant, arguably even a more powerful desktop OS. Instead they see this new alien UI that we don’t even know what to call yet (since MS retired the “Metro” name and left it without replacement). So those looking to replace their desktop and laptop PCs see something they can’t easily wrap their heads around, and those who might be looking for a tablet just see an alternative to Android and iPad, looking at it with a critical eye that it deserves.
Well yeah because who even has a Surface tablet? What with that horrendous Windows 8 OS Microsoft is scaring people off to Apple and Android devices."Great Big War Game, a popular iOS and Android app, made only £52 in its first week on Windows RT. In an angry blog post titled 'Windows RT — Born to fail,' UK-based developer Rubicon blamed Microsoft for the paltry sum and said it won't be bringing any more of its titles to the fledgling platform. It seems Microsoft refused to promote the app as it would only run on Windows RT devices. However, Microsoft quickly got in touch with Rubicon, and the post was deleted and replaced with an apologetic response saying, 'Microsoft have graciously decided work with us to iron out the problems and get us past this incident.' Rubicon will be hoping that £52 figure improves quickly, as it spent £10,000 porting the game to Windows RT."
Even your hand-picked, unattributed review struggles to pretend the new UI isn't disruptive, instead tries to blame the customer like you do. That *always* works well, "You're holding it wrong" was a media triumph for Apple for example.Winnow wrote: Other than relatively minor issues, a desktop user will probably find Windows 8 a surprising improvement over Windows 7. The new UI offers something extra, but it’s extra that doesn’t disrupt the familiar experience, at least not as much as many expected.
The biggest difference is that instead of the old Start menu we get the new Start screen, but this is at worst just a trade off. The new screen offers a bit more flexibility in terms of how you want to order your favorite often used applications, gives more information at a glance through integration with various cloud and social services, and arguably just looks nicer. On the other hand, it takes up the whole screen, and the list of all available applications as well as the way to bring it up (right click and then click on “All Apps”) might not be to everyone’s liking
Nice, looks like Windows 7!pyrella wrote:
The problem is it's not as good as the one that comes with Windows 7. Because Windows 8 blows.Winnow wrote:You don't need a start menu add-on. You already have an awesome start menu built into Windows 8.
Microsoft: We have a new fantastic interface where we changed everything and hid all the stuff your users have grown accustomed to over the last decade or more! But it's great! Really!Animalor wrote:So HP released their brand of start menu replacement for Windows 8. I had it install automatically through their support tool.
The proof by assertion and ad hominem attacks stopped being funny 2 pages back. If you don't actually have an argument, why don't you just admit you're wrong and move on? Aren't you the one that believes the market is the voice that matters? The market is showing a 1% adoption of Windows 8 so far.Winnow wrote:Windows 8 is better than Windows 7. It's easier than Windows 7. Faster, more efficient. Some people just can't break old habits. They also usually die earlier than others.
What does that have to do with Windows 8 being easier to use? Microsoft underestimated human laziness and adversity to change even if it's for the better.Zaelath wrote: The proof by assertion and ad hominem attacks stopped being funny 2 pages back. If you don't actually have an argument, why don't you just admit you're wrong and move on? Aren't you the one that believes the market is the voice that matters? The market is showing a 1% adoption of Windows 8 so far.
