I've been a vegetarian for two days.

Xatrei · Post by **Xatrei** » May 13, 2011, 5:59 pm

miir wrote:Hehe yea, I don't understand why some people feel the need to tell everyone that they are vegan or vegetarian.

I generally don't, but if it's relevant to a conversation or if I'm asked about it, I'll talk about it. I generally don't mention it because, unfortunately, even if you're not the preachy type out to convert folks or have kookie ideas about why we should or shouldn't eat meat, merely mentioning that you don't gets you lumped in with the nuts more often than not.

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » May 13, 2011, 6:23 pm

Xatrei wrote:
miir wrote:Hehe yea, I don't understand why some people feel the need to tell everyone that they are vegan or vegetarian.
I generally don't, but if it's relevant to a conversation or if I'm asked about it, I'll talk about it. I generally don't mention it because, unfortunately, even if you're not the preachy type out to convert folks or have kookie ideas about why we should or shouldn't eat meat, merely mentioning that you don't gets you lumped in with the nuts more often than not.

At least you get to be lumped in with a good source of protein

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » May 13, 2011, 7:01 pm

Boogahz wrote:
Xatrei wrote:
miir wrote:Hehe yea, I don't understand why some people feel the need to tell everyone that they are vegan or vegetarian.
I generally don't, but if it's relevant to a conversation or if I'm asked about it, I'll talk about it. I generally don't mention it because, unfortunately, even if you're not the preachy type out to convert folks or have kookie ideas about why we should or shouldn't eat meat, merely mentioning that you don't gets you lumped in with the nuts more often than not.
At least you get to be lumped in with a good source of protein

Well, in the south...

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » May 13, 2011, 9:34 pm

miir wrote:Hehe yea, I don't understand why some people feel the need to tell everyone that they are vegan or vegetarian.

If it comes up in the first 5 minutes of conversation I assume it's the only meaningful thing in their life. And that they're most likely a douchebag.

Spang · Post by **Spang** » May 14, 2011, 5:27 am

Chimps Hunting Monkeys Closer to Extinction

Humans are behind a number of species extinctions, but in Uganda it's chimps that are hunting monkeys into oblivion. Chimps in Uganda have been hunting red colobus monkeys, so much so that the monkey's population has dropped 89% from 1975 to 2007. The findings were reported in the American Journal of Primatology this week.

According to the IUCN's Red List of endangered species (both the chimps and their prey are endangered), the red colobus monkey population is around 20,000 animals. Most of them live in Uganda's Kibale National Park, which also hosts the nation's largest chimp population. The decline in red colobus monkeys in the past 30 years has been accompanied with a 53% increase in chimp sightings, which researchers say suggests the two are related. The study's authors report that between the 1990s and 2002, chimps killed 15-53% of the monkey population every year. Although chimps are often solitary, during hunting raids they coordinate to kill the smaller, vegetarian colobus monkeys. The chimps preyed especially on young or juvenile monkeys, which created an additional reproductive toll on the species. A single chimp outweighs a single monkey by about 50 pounds (around 20 lbs vs. 70 lbs), so one can imagine that when they band together, the monkeys don't have much of a chance.

But why do chimps hunt in the first place? Some have theorized that males will hunt more during mating season to swap meat for sex with females, and some say that chimps hunt more during the dry season where the supply of fruit and leaves runs thin. At least one scientist has said both those theories are false, and that chimps actually hunt as a form of male bonding (sound familiar, humans?). We may never know exactly why chimps hunt, but a Yale professor interviewed by New Scientist says all is not lost for the red colobus monkeys of Uganda. Professor David Watts said that chimps are hunting less often than previously, meaning that young chimps may not be able to hunt as effectively as their elders.

The Source

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » May 14, 2011, 7:59 am

Spang, I'd like to join you in this cause. I'll sign your petition to round these dastardly chimps up into camps, tattoo their forearms for identification and plan out a strategy to send them all to the gas chamber for crimes against the red monkey.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » May 14, 2011, 2:28 pm

I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. Unless it's that the monkeys are vegetarians and thus that's why the evil chimps are killing them. Would you mind elaborating on what you re trying to convey to the audience?

Spang · Post by **Spang** » May 14, 2011, 2:55 pm

Aslanna wrote:I'm not sure what point you are trying to make.

Paragraph 3.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » May 14, 2011, 4:16 pm

Some have theorized that males will hunt more during mating season to swap meat for sex with females

So the female chimps like meat a lot if males are killing to get it for them. Seems like an article in favor of meat eating. Why the hell would female chimps put out if they didn't like meat? Male chimps would bring them bananas if that was the case.

It also could be that the chimp penis is too small to satisfy female chimps so added meat is needed to seal the deal while humans have been eating cock enlarging fruits, creating a penis which brings female humans to orgasm quicker, lessening the need to deliver extra meat to the sex party.

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » May 14, 2011, 8:31 pm

Random google search, copy, paste. No real argument, but grats on learning!

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » May 14, 2011, 8:49 pm

Yeah I'm still not sure what point he is trying to make with this "theory". Other than it makes female chimps evil and whore themselves out for meat.

Spang · Post by **Spang** » May 14, 2011, 9:50 pm

Canelek wrote:Random google search, copy, paste. No real argument, but grats on learning!

I frequent Mother Jones daily. The article was published two days ago.

miir · Post by **miir** » May 16, 2011, 10:12 am

At least one scientist has said both those theories are false

The "at least one scientist" never said the other theories are false... as a matter of fact, he also observed that "several factors are likely to affect chimpanzee hunting decisions and meat sharing"

cadalano · Post by **cadalano** » May 16, 2011, 9:46 pm

hey guys. how is everyone?

so spang is a douche now? huh

Spang · Post by **Spang** » May 16, 2011, 10:02 pm

Yes, I've decided not to eat sentient creatures, and that makes me a douche.

Sueven · Post by **Sueven** » May 16, 2011, 10:44 pm

Sometimes I wonder if plants are sentient. How can we know?

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » May 17, 2011, 12:03 am

Spang wrote:Yes, I've decided not to eat sentient creatures, and that makes me a douche.

Newsflash: Nobody gives a shit if YOU decide not to eat meat (or the opposite). I don't think vegetarians are douchbags. It's the ones who spout it like a religion and try to beat everyone else over the head with their views of how evil eating animals are and how everyone else is going to hell. I'm pretty sure that's been explained already. If that's not you then grats.

Although I will mention that saying things like "The food chain was invented by humans to justify exploitation of animals" doesn't help your case. But if that's what you believe by all means go ahead but don't be surprised when there are those who don't. and will never, agree with you.

Spang · Post by **Spang** » May 17, 2011, 2:51 am

Sueven wrote:Sometimes I wonder if plants are sentient.

It's possible, but I don't know anyone who eats, for example, tomato plants. Or apple trees, etc.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » May 17, 2011, 3:05 am

Spang wrote:
Sueven wrote:Sometimes I wonder if plants are sentient.
It's possible, but I don't know anyone who eats, for example, tomato plants. Or apple trees, etc.

Isn't eating an apple like eating a baby fetus? Seeds are little developing babies. Pretty fucked up that you eat them. Tomato juice is like slurping down placenta.

Spang · Post by **Spang** » May 17, 2011, 3:42 am

Winnow wrote:Isn't eating an apple like eating a baby fetus? Seeds are little developing babies. Pretty fucked up that you eat them. Tomato juice is like slurping down placenta.

There are people, fruitarians, who are very extreme in their diets. Some will only eat what can be harvested without killing the plant. Others will only eat the shit after it falls to the ground.

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » May 17, 2011, 9:27 am

Spang wrote:There are people, fruitarians, who are very extreme in their diets. Some will only eat what can be harvested without killing the plant. Others will only eat the shit after it falls to the ground.

Read a thing on gardening using primarily annual plants a while back. The first was one of the reasons behind some doing it. Was a much more common practice before seed companies existed, lowered environmental impact too in part as the soil doesn't get disturbed.

Spang wrote:It's possible, but I don't know anyone who eats, for example, tomato plants. Or apple trees, etc.

Tomato plants are very toxic, nightshade family iirc.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » May 17, 2011, 1:27 pm

Spang wrote: There are people, fruitarians, who are very extreme in their diets. Some will only eat what can be harvested without killing the plant. Others will only eat the shit after it falls to the ground.

That shit hitting the ground is little babies trying to be born. Veggies scarf them up before the harmless lifeforms can be born and grow. Eating an apple as it drops off a tree is the same as eating a baby's head as it pops out of a human's womb. Where to veggies draw the line? They are baby eaters as far as I'm concerned and seem to choose what they deem is worthy of living instead of valuing all life forms equally.

Leonaerd · Post by **Leonaerd** » May 17, 2011, 4:01 pm

I'm sick and tired of fruitacists going around and neglecting yellow apples, as if their own pits don't stink.

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » May 31, 2011, 6:52 am

Knock it off Spang, you're causing problems all over!
http://www.cbs8.com/story/14750182/obam ... od-pyramid

Xatrei · Post by **Xatrei** » May 31, 2011, 11:18 am

Aabidano wrote:Knock it off Spang, you're causing problems all over!
http://www.cbs8.com/story/14750182/obam ... od-pyramid

Skimming through the comments on that article, I see VV's right-wing tard brigade seems to have taken up trolling local news stations. At least I know where they went.

Leonaerd · Post by **Leonaerd** » May 31, 2011, 3:17 pm

Xatrei wrote:
Aabidano wrote:Knock it off Spang, you're causing problems all over!
http://www.cbs8.com/story/14750182/obam ... od-pyramid
Skimming through the comments on that article, I see VV's right-wing tard brigade seems to have taken up trolling local news stations. At least I know where they went.

No kidding. They're so loud and angry that I almost agree with everything they say.

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » May 31, 2011, 3:32 pm

Xatrei wrote:
Aabidano wrote:Knock it off Spang, you're causing problems all over!
http://www.cbs8.com/story/14750182/obam ... od-pyramid
Skimming through the comments on that article, I see VV's right-wing tard brigade seems to have taken up trolling local news stations. At least I know where they went.

Missed it the first time, noscript blocked it all

Spang · Post by **Spang** » May 31, 2011, 3:55 pm

Aabidano wrote:Knock it off Spang, you're causing problems all over!
http://www.cbs8.com/story/14750182/obam ... od-pyramid

Good.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » May 31, 2011, 4:24 pm

Well it says nothing about removing meat so not sure how 'good' it is in the context of this thread. It basically just takes the pyramid and turns it into a pie chart (mmm pie) while revising some of the categories. Now I'm not going to flip out about it like I've seen on other sites since obviously pyramids = mid east (aka SYMBOLYS OF TERRORISMISTS!) but was this really necessary?

miir · Post by **miir** » May 31, 2011, 5:15 pm

Aslanna wrote: but was this really necessary?

The new system is based on science instead of pressure from lobbyist groups.

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » May 31, 2011, 5:18 pm

miir wrote:
Aslanna wrote: but was this really necessary?
The new system is based on science instead of pressure from lobbyist groups.

If this were true, the old one would have been topped with Oil and Nicotine

miir · Post by **miir** » May 31, 2011, 5:18 pm

Boogahz wrote:
miir wrote:
Aslanna wrote: but was this really necessary?
The new system is based on science instead of pressure from lobbyist groups.
If this were true, the old one would have been topped with Oil and Nicotine

masteen · Post by **masteen** » May 31, 2011, 6:37 pm

Boogahz wrote:
miir wrote:
Aslanna wrote: but was this really necessary?
The new system is based on science instead of pressure from lobbyist groups.
If this were true, the old one would have been topped with Oil and Nicotine

Can I get a side of dead muslims with that exploitation sundae?

Spang · Post by **Spang** » May 31, 2011, 7:27 pm

Aslanna wrote:Well it says nothing about removing meat so not sure how 'good' it is in the context of this thread. It basically just takes the pyramid and turns it into a pie chart (mmm pie) while revising some of the categories. Now I'm not going to flip out about it like I've seen on other sites since obviously pyramids = mid east (aka SYMBOLYS OF TERRORISMISTS!) but was this really necessary?

I've not commented on the "food pie," yet.

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » May 31, 2011, 8:27 pm

Spang wrote:I've not commented on the "food pie," yet.

It's part of the vast omniverocentric conspiracy.

Spang · Post by **Spang** » May 31, 2011, 9:25 pm

Aabidano wrote:
Spang wrote:I've not commented on the "food pie," yet.
It's part of the vast omniverocentric conspiracy.

If there's any meat, fish, poultry, eggs or dairy in the "food pie," it's flawed. Also, to be honest, I haven't cut out dairy from my diet, yet. Eggs, yes. Dairy, working on it. Cheese and Ranch are really the only things keeping me from being vegan. Well, that, and my shoes and belt.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » May 31, 2011, 9:41 pm

Spang wrote:If there's any meat, fish, poultry, eggs or dairy in the "food pie," it's flawed.

... No it's not. And there will be.

Spang · Post by **Spang** » June 1, 2011, 12:56 am

Aslanna wrote:
Spang wrote:If there's any meat, fish, poultry, eggs or dairy in the "food pie," it's flawed.
... No it's not. And there will be.

Of course there will be. We're still a very ignorant, regressive society. We still believe in fairy tales written during the Bronze Age. Approximately 38% of us want Sarah "I love that smell of emissions" Palin to be our goddamn president. And we still engage in unnecessary, barbaric wars, among many other not-so-progressive things.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » June 1, 2011, 1:30 am

Or... It could just be that things such as meat , fish, poultry, eggs or dairy are a good thing to include in your diet as has been witnessed by the last 200,000+ years of human existence. If anyone is ignorant of the facts it's born-again preachy vegetarians spouting their new religion and condemning everyone else to hell for their sins.

Spang · Post by **Spang** » June 1, 2011, 1:46 am

Aslanna wrote:Or... It could just be that things such as meat , fish, poultry, eggs or dairy are a good thing to include in your diet as has been witnessed by the last 200,000+ years of human existence. If anyone is ignorant of the facts it's born-again preachy vegetarians spouting their new religion and condemning everyone else to hell for their sins.

Chickens don't lay eggs for our omelets, they do that to reproduce. Similarly, cows aren't producing milk for us, but for their calves. Animals weren't put on this planet for humans, just like black people weren't put on this planet for white people, and women weren't put here for men. We're much smarter people now. We don't have to slaughter animals to survive. The sooner we all realize this, the better.

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » June 1, 2011, 1:47 am

This is very similar to the South Park episode, "Smug Alert".

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » June 1, 2011, 1:53 am

Spang wrote:Chickens don't lay eggs for our omelets, they do that to reproduce. Similarly, cows aren't producing milk for us, but for their calves. Animals weren't put on this planet for humans, just like black people weren't put on this planet for white people, and women weren't put here for men. We're much smarter people now. We don't have to slaughter animals to survive. The sooner we all realize this, the better.

Wow.. What a ridiculous amount of word barf. My eyes are literally on fire now.

Oh hey... Plants don't grow fruit for you to eat they do that to reproduce.

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » June 1, 2011, 2:16 am

I suppose I could have just said, "Get a job, hipster!"

Xatrei · Post by **Xatrei** » June 1, 2011, 3:00 am

I like Spang. I really do, but this thread makes me want to eat a chicken, turkey, steer and hog. In one meal. For spite.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » June 1, 2011, 4:00 am

If Spang isn't trolling, he's clueless. The only thing worth eating for him is his own vomit. Chow down.

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » June 1, 2011, 4:25 am

Winnow wrote:If Spang isn't trolling, he's clueless. The only thing worth eating for him is his own vomit. Chow down.

*shrug* hell, I went through an idealism phase when I was in my early 20s. Many of us did. All part of th process. It is amusing, at least.

miir · Post by **miir** » June 1, 2011, 9:33 am

Spang wrote:Chickens don't lay eggs for our omelets, they do that to reproduce. Similarly, cows aren't producing milk for us, but for their calves. Animals weren't put on this planet for humans, just like black people weren't put on this planet for white people, and women weren't put here for men. We're much smarter people now. We don't have to slaughter animals to survive. The sooner we all realize this, the better.

Do you actually believe this shit?
I hope not because I was starting to think you were a decent guy with reasonable opinions.

Spewing crap like this makes you sound fucking loony.

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » June 1, 2011, 10:46 am

Canelek wrote:...I went through an idealism phase when I was in my early 20s. Many of us did.

I didn't aim high, mine involved booze and floozies

Xatrei wrote:I like Spang. I really do, but this thread makes me want to eat a chicken, turkey, steer and hog. In one meal. For spite.

Some sort of mega turducken? A Cowporlamturduck?

Sajko · Post by **Sajko** » June 1, 2011, 1:20 pm

Spang reminds me of that cunty christian guy in the latest Pirates movie showing up every 15 minutes to tell everyone no matter how bad they are their souls can still be saved.

What a cunt.

Drolgin Steingrinder · Post by **Drolgin Steingrinder** » June 1, 2011, 1:57 pm

Spang wrote:Chickens don't lay eggs for our omelets, they do that to reproduce. Similarly, cows aren't producing milk for us, but for their calves. Animals weren't put on this planet for humans, just like black people weren't put on this planet for white people, and women weren't put here for men. We're much smarter people now. We don't have to slaughter animals to survive. The sooner we all realize this, the better.

But chickens lay eggs whether there's a rooster around or not. You know, just like human females ovulate whether you are around or not. So isn't it ethically worste being wasteful and leaving unfertilized chicken embryos to rot, which is what would happen if they weren't eaten? Now, I'm not going into the discussion about factory farming because that's an entirely different discussion. We can remove that from the equation by asking: Why not eat eggs if you have chickens in your backyard that you're taking care of?

You can be lacto-ovo, pescatarian, third reformed church of the lacto-ovarian, breatharian, hindu, muslim, mormon, whatever. I seriously don't give a shit. Just don't be a preachy missionary type . Because that, my friend, is where your proverbial fist connects with my proverbial nose. And your postings in this thread are preachy.