Voting for the lesser evil
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Voting for the lesser evil
This is a first for me, for years I've voted republican not because I agree with them or like their candidates but simply because they were the lesser evil. In the upcoming election they seem to be going for broke in putting up far right loony candidates because of the perception that anyone they want can be on the ticket and beat a democrat.
In the upcoming FL election at least the clowns that are running on the republican ticket may well be past what I can stomach. The senate candidate certainly is. With any luck someone reasonable with show up on the ticket.
Bah.
In the upcoming FL election at least the clowns that are running on the republican ticket may well be past what I can stomach. The senate candidate certainly is. With any luck someone reasonable with show up on the ticket.
Bah.
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What's your take on Charlie Crist?
What district do you live in?
What district do you live in?
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District 10.
I like Charlie Crist, moderate and seems to use common sense rather than party dictate when voting. Recent teacher tenure bill was a good example.
Marco Rubio seems to be a someone who'll do what the party tells him to. No thanks.
Rick Scott looks like a tool, I'm very suspicious of anyone associated with the tea party "movement". His business background makes me very wary of him as well. His appeal lies largely in that people don't think things through.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8688383.stm
*Edit - More on the same theme:
http://www.consortiumnews.com/2010/043010a.html
I like Charlie Crist, moderate and seems to use common sense rather than party dictate when voting. Recent teacher tenure bill was a good example.
Marco Rubio seems to be a someone who'll do what the party tells him to. No thanks.
Rick Scott looks like a tool, I'm very suspicious of anyone associated with the tea party "movement". His business background makes me very wary of him as well. His appeal lies largely in that people don't think things through.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8688383.stm
*Edit - More on the same theme:
I would say of the rank and file tea baggers; "unknowing front men of corporate interests"The Tea Party movement has generated a lot of media talk about “populism,” which gets defined as the battle between Big Government and the Common Folk, but what gets ignored is that the only feasible check on unlimited corporate power would be a democratized and energized federal government.
So, by targeting government, not corporatism, the Tea Partiers serve essentially as “faux populist” front-men for corporate interests
http://www.consortiumnews.com/2010/043010a.html
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I wish Charlie Christ wasn't homogay so the GOP could finally trot out a national candidate who understands a little bit about fiscal responsibility and appropriate use of public funds. Not to say he's without flaw, but he's clearly a step in the right direction.
I'm afraid that Palin was only the tip of the fundie whackjob iceberg.
I'm afraid that Palin was only the tip of the fundie whackjob iceberg.
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I think I will be voting for Crist. Yes I know he used to be a Republican, and I'd rather vote for Meek. However, if Rubio looks anywhere close to winning I will have to vote for Crist mostly as a vote against Rubio.
I also live in FL 10.
I also live in FL 10.
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Sadly I don't know much about the FL-10 house race.
I kind of like Crist too. I mean, there are plenty of legitimate criticisms to be made of him, but I think ultimately he's a reasonable guy and a good politician. Marco Rubio is just a standard-order far-right conservative who, as far as I can tell, doesn't particularly distinguish himself ethically, intellectually, or otherwise. Kendrick Meek is a bit of a sleazebag. If I lived in Florida, I think I'd vote for Crist despite the fact that Meek is closer to my preferences on the issues.
Also-- Jack Conway versus Rand Paul? Joe Sestak versus Pat Toomey? There are going to be some fun elections this fall.
And one thing that everyone should be happy about but probably went fairly unnoticed last night: Mary Beth Buchanan, crazy overzealous former right-wing prosecutor, lost her primary for the House in PA-4 despite having the backing of the NRCC. Buchanan was a U.S. Attorney in the Bush administration who had a disturbing tendency to use her office as a political bludgeon. Her most egregious prosecution was of prominent Democrat Dr. Cyril Wecht, who she charged with various fraud and theft charges. She was handed a series of stunning and embarrassing courtroom defeats-- she failed to convict Wecht despite the fact that he was not allowed to argue that the prosecution was political, the appellate court froze her retrial, the judge in a retrial threw out all of her evidence as being illegally obtained, and she was investigated by Congress for abusing her office for political reasons. That's not her only rodeo, though-- she's also the person who thought that federal law enforcement and prosecution resources would be best served by going after Tommy Chong for selling bongs, among other absurd cases.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Beth_Buchanan
Anyway, she got clobbered last night, so congratulations to the Republican voters of PA-4.
I kind of like Crist too. I mean, there are plenty of legitimate criticisms to be made of him, but I think ultimately he's a reasonable guy and a good politician. Marco Rubio is just a standard-order far-right conservative who, as far as I can tell, doesn't particularly distinguish himself ethically, intellectually, or otherwise. Kendrick Meek is a bit of a sleazebag. If I lived in Florida, I think I'd vote for Crist despite the fact that Meek is closer to my preferences on the issues.
Also-- Jack Conway versus Rand Paul? Joe Sestak versus Pat Toomey? There are going to be some fun elections this fall.
And one thing that everyone should be happy about but probably went fairly unnoticed last night: Mary Beth Buchanan, crazy overzealous former right-wing prosecutor, lost her primary for the House in PA-4 despite having the backing of the NRCC. Buchanan was a U.S. Attorney in the Bush administration who had a disturbing tendency to use her office as a political bludgeon. Her most egregious prosecution was of prominent Democrat Dr. Cyril Wecht, who she charged with various fraud and theft charges. She was handed a series of stunning and embarrassing courtroom defeats-- she failed to convict Wecht despite the fact that he was not allowed to argue that the prosecution was political, the appellate court froze her retrial, the judge in a retrial threw out all of her evidence as being illegally obtained, and she was investigated by Congress for abusing her office for political reasons. That's not her only rodeo, though-- she's also the person who thought that federal law enforcement and prosecution resources would be best served by going after Tommy Chong for selling bongs, among other absurd cases.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Beth_Buchanan
Anyway, she got clobbered last night, so congratulations to the Republican voters of PA-4.
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Rick Scott is already running negative commercials talking up how Obama and the evil liberals hate law enforcement, showing the clip of Obama joking about AZ's new immigration stuff.
He's really showing off his tea party roots, I don't think the message makes the transition from his previous audience to the larger world though.
He's really showing off his tea party roots, I don't think the message makes the transition from his previous audience to the larger world though.
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The Rick Scott (teabagger for governor) ads running now focus on how much Obama has increased taxes and how if elected governor he will rescue us from Obama and the evil demoncrats.
No mention yet of his democratic opponent who's doing well in the polls despite being largely silent so far. She seems a decent enough candidate.
At present, I plan to vote for her just because she isn't Rick Scott.
No mention yet of his democratic opponent who's doing well in the polls despite being largely silent so far. She seems a decent enough candidate.
At present, I plan to vote for her just because she isn't Rick Scott.
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I'd trust him farther than most of the right wing FL contenders.
Something like 30% of FL registered voters are Hispanic and historically quite conservative, this was La Florida when many of their ancestors got here.
Running a platform that hints of bias against non-whites doesn't seem to be a winning strategy.
Something like 30% of FL registered voters are Hispanic and historically quite conservative, this was La Florida when many of their ancestors got here.
Running a platform that hints of bias against non-whites doesn't seem to be a winning strategy.
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Commercials have markedly changed tone, looks like at least some of the republican candidates have some brains. Or their strategists do at any rate.
Primary tomorrow, will be voting for folks I'm unlikely to vote for in the general election but don't want to see on the ballot come Nov.
Primary tomorrow, will be voting for folks I'm unlikely to vote for in the general election but don't want to see on the ballot come Nov.
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Im confused. You're voting for people you wouldn't vote for in November because you don't want to see them on the ballot in November?
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Didn't word that very well, I'll be voting for people I'm unlikely to vote for in the general election to keep others I'm dead against off the Nov ballot.
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I voted early yesterday, I should be able to opt out of the commercials and the flood of junk mail. I rarely watch local TV except the news at dinner. Even that's turned off until after the election.
The candidates on the tea bag express who've been campaigning for a while have majorly modified their message in an attempt to appeal to the middle\not seem like loonies. The newcomers with shallower pockets apparently didn't get that memo.
Many of the candidates are sleazy, the GOP candidate for governor puts them to shame though.
The candidates on the tea bag express who've been campaigning for a while have majorly modified their message in an attempt to appeal to the middle\not seem like loonies. The newcomers with shallower pockets apparently didn't get that memo.
Many of the candidates are sleazy, the GOP candidate for governor puts them to shame though.
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Same here. Scott and Rubio concern me a lot. I don't generally vote in these elections, but I will be this time. Crist.. I don't know, his whole housing thing he pushed through bothered me. What was that, prop 1 or something - dealt with home owner taxes or something, I can't remember now, just remember it bothered me a lot and made me not trust him.Aabidano wrote:The Rick Scott (teabagger for governor) ads running now focus on how much Obama has increased taxes and how if elected governor he will rescue us from Obama and the evil demoncrats.
No mention yet of his democratic opponent who's doing well in the polls despite being largely silent so far. She seems a decent enough candidate.
At present, I plan to vote for her just because she isn't Rick Scott.
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Rubio while staying to the far right has changed his spots a few times through the campaign. Last commercial I saw he was straying into teabagger territory. Prior to that he was acting like he was the second incarnation of Newt.
Crist isn't perfect, he seems a better choice than Meek and Rubio though.
Crist isn't perfect, he seems a better choice than Meek and Rubio though.
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The only thing I fear is that Meek's blackness will draw a lot of support from the ignorant urban masses who don't care how much of a fucking crook he is, only that's he's not white. Not that he'd win (we're not Detroit), but that might draw enough votes away from the centrist Crist to allow the fundy/teabagger bloc to elect Rubio.
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I ended up going against EVERY incumbent. Almost entire vote was libertarian party. I know I threw my vote away, but there was no clear choice...Jerry Brown??? Meg Whitman???? no thanks. Boxer??? Please...
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I'm most amused by the whole Jerry Brown thing. It is absolutely insane (by definition) that voters would inflict that re-tread upon themselves.Tyek wrote:I ended up going against EVERY incumbent. Almost entire vote was libertarian party. I know I threw my vote away, but there was no clear choice...Jerry Brown??? Meg Whitman???? no thanks. Boxer??? Please...
I mean Whitman is no Sarah Palin, but c'mon, Jerry "Moonbeam" Brown?
On the other hand, who better to serve the kool-aid as California commits collective suicide? "Here, have another toke."
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Whitman having been a very successful businesswoman as compared to Palins' what? She doesn't even remotely have the same level of experience. At anything really.Metanis wrote:I mean Whitman is no Sarah Palin...
I'm not one to bash Palin randomly, she was unprepared and way out of her league in the 2008 election. Similar to Fox News and the tea party, they wanted her to trot around read a script.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meg_Whitman
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Ummm, didn't you like maybe miss the whole point? The contrast between Palin and Whitman was intended to get you to see and understand the interstellar gulf between Whitman and Brown.Aabidano wrote:Whitman having been a very successful businesswoman as compared to Palins' what? She doesn't even remotely have the same level of experience. At anything really.Metanis wrote:I mean Whitman is no Sarah Palin...
I'm not one to bash Palin randomly, she was unprepared and way out of her league in the 2008 election. Similar to Fox News and the tea party, they wanted her to trot around read a script.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meg_Whitman
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_palin
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Could all reasonably intelligent American's start keeping their house in order so anyone visiting this website that isn't a total fucking lunatic might actually feel like it's not a total waste of time?
Thanks.
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You come to a message board looking to do something other than waste time?
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yet, that is all he has been
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Wouldn't that be like a reasonably sober Irishman?Nick wrote:reasonably intelligent American
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I'll take Mythological Creatures for 800, Alex.miir wrote:Wouldn't that be like a reasonably sober Irishman?Nick wrote:reasonably intelligent American
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With our votes today, we usher in a new regime. I call it America: Gridlock Edition. May we AGE a couple more years.
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I can't believe we're sending that idiot Rubio to Washington.
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Unless you get rid of the filibuster it will be gridlock in every government that doesn't have a super majority.Leonaerd wrote:With our votes today, we usher in a new regime. I call it America: Gridlock Edition. May we AGE a couple more years.
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I'm absolutely baffled what would make someone vote for him. Or Scott for that matter.masteen wrote:I can't believe we're sending that idiot Rubio to Washington.
Couple years of stasis in DC ahead.
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I can at least comprehend Scott beating Sink. She was one of the weakest candidates ever, almost Dukakis-esque in her awkward splendor.
But how in the hell could anyone vote for a shitbag like Rubio over a guy with a track record of keeping spending in check while balancing the needs of the state like Charlie Crist truly baffles me. He didn't have the "R" next to his name anymore, so I guess the blue-hair trailer park set didn't vote for him.
It's also baffling how the Democrats let Meek continue to run, despite the fact that he had ZERO chance of winning and his presence strengthened Rubio by stealing the black vote from Crist. The Democrats are the most ineffective and worthless political entity on the planet.
But how in the hell could anyone vote for a shitbag like Rubio over a guy with a track record of keeping spending in check while balancing the needs of the state like Charlie Crist truly baffles me. He didn't have the "R" next to his name anymore, so I guess the blue-hair trailer park set didn't vote for him.
It's also baffling how the Democrats let Meek continue to run, despite the fact that he had ZERO chance of winning and his presence strengthened Rubio by stealing the black vote from Crist. The Democrats are the most ineffective and worthless political entity on the planet.
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masteen wrote:The Democrats are the most ineffective and worthless political entity on the planet.
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Some things bear repeating until even liberals figure it out...
masteen wrote:The Democrats are the most ineffective and worthless political entity on the planet.
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Whenever I read a post like the above, a quote from the great Lewis Black comes to mind.
Don't assume that because the opposing party sucks, that yours is any better, you senile old fucking piece of dogshit.Republicans have nothing but bad ideas and Democrats have no ideas.
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Hahahaaha, I guess those sour grapes must be tasting a bit like vinegar right now!Bagar- wrote:Whenever I read a post like the above, a quote from the great Lewis Black comes to mind.
Don't assume that because the opposing party sucks, that yours is any better, you senile old fucking piece of dogshit.Republicans have nothing but bad ideas and Democrats have no ideas.
Choke on it bitch!
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Wow, just wow.
Do you think anything changed yesterday, just the names on the desks. All we are in for is more of the same. It does not matter what "team" they play for, all of them are worried about themselves first, contributors 2nd, party 3rd, you 40th.
Do you think anything changed yesterday, just the names on the desks. All we are in for is more of the same. It does not matter what "team" they play for, all of them are worried about themselves first, contributors 2nd, party 3rd, you 40th.
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No, because I don't vote. You may have noticed from the quote that I posted, Metanis, that I think both your party and the party you oppose are fucking useless. So to deduce "sour grapes" from that only continues to reinforce that you have no logical reasoning skills and could easily be matched for intelligence with one of Kilmoll's shitstains.Metanis wrote:Hahahaaha, I guess those sour grapes must be tasting a bit like vinegar right now!Bagar- wrote:Whenever I read a post like the above, a quote from the great Lewis Black comes to mind.
Don't assume that because the opposing party sucks, that yours is any better, you senile old fucking piece of dogshit.Republicans have nothing but bad ideas and Democrats have no ideas.
Choke on it bitch!
Next time you make a post, try contemplating the things you type ahead of time rather than spewing out whatever useless nonesense enters your decrepit, partially-functional fucking brain.
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You're a bigger loser than I thought.Bagar- wrote:No, because I don't vote.
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Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
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Looking at it as pure numbers you're absolutely correct. But forcing the main democratic nominee to drop out in favor of an independent, and being a black candidate at that? How long until some Jesse Jackson pulls the racism card? It was a lose/lose situation.masteen wrote:It's also baffling how the Democrats let Meek continue to run, despite the fact that he had ZERO chance of winning and his presence strengthened Rubio by stealing the black vote from Crist.
Plus, people don't actually bother with truth or information these days.. as long as Faux news or Rush or Beck say it, it must be true.
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Metanis wrote:You're a bigger loser than I thought.Bagar- wrote:No, because I don't vote.
Did you even read the rest of that post, you ancient piece of horseshit? Why in the fuck would I drag myself to some shithole polling area and vote when the outcome, whether democrat or republican or - even worse - "tea party" is the same goat rodeo with a different name? Is it apathy? Sure. But it's justified apathy. Especially considering that I live in god damn Tennessee. This state is almost as wholly dipshit republican/conservative as you are.
I'm genuinely curious; when you speak in real life, do you just blurt out the same inane bullshit that you spew on VeeshanVault? And if so, are you estranged from most of your family, or is your family as god damn stupid as you are?
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Re: Voting for the lesser evil
As bad as Fox News is on the right, MSNBC's coverage was just as bad on the left. Olbermann is a travesty. He says whatever he wants, but heaven forbid some Republican says something he does not like. I know it is cool to rip on Fox News, it's the hip thing, but how does MSNBC get a free pass all the time?Siji wrote:Looking at it as pure numbers you're absolutely correct. But forcing the main democratic nominee to drop out in favor of an independent, and being a black candidate at that? How long until some Jesse Jackson pulls the racism card? It was a lose/lose situation.masteen wrote:It's also baffling how the Democrats let Meek continue to run, despite the fact that he had ZERO chance of winning and his presence strengthened Rubio by stealing the black vote from Crist.
Plus, people don't actually bother with truth or information these days.. as long as Faux news or Rush or Beck say it, it must be true.
When I was younger, I used to think that the world was doing it to me and that the world owes me some thing…When you're a teeny bopper, that's what you think. I'm 40 now, I don't think that anymore, because I found out it doesn't f--king work. One has to go through that. For the people who even bother to go through that, most assholes just accept what it is anyway and get on with it." - John Lennon
Re: Voting for the lesser evil
Fucking beautiful.Bagar- wrote:Metanis wrote:You're a bigger loser than I thought.Bagar- wrote:No, because I don't vote.
Did you even read the rest of that post, you ancient piece of horseshit? Why in the fuck would I drag myself to some shithole polling area and vote when the outcome, whether democrat or republican or - even worse - "tea party" is the same goat rodeo with a different name? Is it apathy? Sure. But it's justified apathy. Especially considering that I live in god damn Tennessee. This state is almost as wholly dipshit republican/conservative as you are.
I'm genuinely curious; when you speak in real life, do you just blurt out the same inane bullshit that you spew on VeeshanVault? And if so, are you estranged from most of your family, or is your family as god damn stupid as you are?
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Re: Voting for the lesser evil
I know what you mean. My district has been represented by a Republican since 1867, and represented by the same family since 1965. I voted absentee this year. None of the Above received my write-in vote in three separate races.Bagar- wrote:...I live in god damn Tennessee.
Make love, fuck war, peace will save us.
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Re: Voting for the lesser evil
I have a business
Installing styrofoam nuns
Fuck a fruitbasket
"Life is what happens while you're making plans for later."
Re: Voting for the lesser evil
I'll take that as a "Yes."Metanis wrote:http://www.theravive.com/cities/tn/coun ... ville.aspxBagar- wrote: -.-
I will admit that you do bring one useful thing to these forums and to society in general. Compared to you, even the most fanatical fucking morons look like they should be in Mensa. So thanks for giving everyone some perspective.
Going out to play pool now with my fellow klan members. Have a nice night. - Midnyte
Re: Voting for the lesser evil
Tyek wrote:Wow, just wow.
Do you think anything changed yesterday, just the names on the desks. All we are in for is more of the same. It does not matter what "team" they play for, all of them are worried about themselves first, contributors 2nd, party 3rd, you 40th.