Human Shield...

Ebumar · Post by **Ebumar** » January 27, 2003, 8:08 am

My balls hurt, would somebody please rub them?

Maxxer - Valhall · Post by **Maxxer - Valhall** » January 27, 2003, 8:30 am

President Bush and Colin Powell are sitting in a bar. A guy walks in and asks the bartender, "Isn't that Bush and Powell sitting over there?"
The bartender says, "Yep, that's them."
So the guy walks over and says, "Wow, this is a real honor. What are you guys doing in here?"
Bush says, "We're planning WW III."
And the guy says, "Really? What's going to happen?"
Bush says, "Well, we're going to kill 140 million Iraqis this time and one blonde with big boobs."
The guy exclaimed, "A blonde with big boobs? Why kill a blonde with big boobs?"
Bush turns to Powell, punches him on the shoulder and says, "See, smart ass? I told you no one would worry about the 140 million Iraqis!"

miir · Post by **miir** » January 27, 2003, 10:43 am

Whether it is for the oil or not Saddam has proven time and time again that he is a threat to peace in the Middle East.

How exactly has Iraq proven itself time and time again?

Atokal · Post by **Atokal** » January 27, 2003, 10:43 am

kyoukan type-R wrote:the question is an absurdity that would never happen. what is your point?

aside from the fact that there has been a worse regime in north korea for the last 50 years and the US has done nothing. africa is full of dictators and warlords that make saddam hussein look like anna nicole smith; so don't fucking yammer at me about this altruistic world policemen bullshit, you hole-sucking yes man.

Reading your shit leads me to the conclusion you are an altruistic sewer hole who doesn't know what she believes in.

If the USA were to go and "fix" things in North Korea and Africa you would be the first one to jump in and find ulterior motives for the US involvement, slamming them for more human rights violations etc. If you are going to be against violence, stay on your side of the fence or be branded a hypocrite.

There are plenty of causes out there Kyoukan, find one and die for it... please oh and take Forthe with you.

Btw the Anna Nicole Smith statement was irrelevant and frankly stupid.
Perhaps if you had said "...Saddam Hussein look like Jean Chretien"

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » January 27, 2003, 10:50 am

miir wrote:Whether it is for the oil or not Saddam has proven time and time again that he is a threat to peace in the Middle East.

How exactly has Iraq proven itself time and time again?

Go find a Kurd in Iraq and ask them, ooooh wait, gonna be hard, he practiced chemical warfare on them. Perhaps you could note the 10 year war with Iran. Maybe the fact that he randomly shot missiles at Israel during Desert Shield/Storm. How do you think Kuwaiti people feel about his good intentions, hell Saudi Arabia was so afraid they let a bunch of people they hate in to help defend against him.

Bleh, buncha damn hippies

There is a time and place for everything, but standing back and using a line of anything is better than war is not ever a good idea.

Let's look at past examples of inaction.

1. The Catholic Church stance on The Holocaust they knew to be occuring. By failing to stand up they removed the possibility of an earlier end to Hitler, and indirectly allowed the murder of 6 million human beings.
2. Neville Chamberlein's appeasement of Nazi Germany. If England had gone to war with a Germany that had just jumped on Austria, it would have been a Germany with 1/10 the forces trained that it had when it invaded Poland, with none of the new tanks they were developing, and an Air Force that would have allowed France and England to dominate the skies in under a month.
3. By not getting involved, the people of Stalinist Russia, ignored the intentional mass murder of 12 million Ukrainians. If someone had been willing to fight, history could be a good deal different.
4. The US has been criticized for it's "late" entry into WW1 and WW2. It is universally recognized by historians that if the US had given up the "dove" concept earlier both wars would have had their lengths reduced by as much as half. This is especially telling in light of Nazi atrocities, and also in consideration of the fact that the Influenza Epidemic that killed 25 million people in 1916-1919 got it's intial foothold in the trenchlines.
5. The end of Desert Storm. The early end was pushed so as not to make people cry about brutality when it became apparant that we were grinding Saddam's million man army into the sand. If the UN forces had been given another 24 hours, we would not face the issue now.

All it takes for evil to spread is people too fearful to take a stand.

vn_Tanc · Post by **vn_Tanc** » January 27, 2003, 11:10 am

All it takes for evil to spread is people too fearful to take a stand

Hey if we're gonna set the world to rights sign me up. But let's apply it evenly and fairly and without prejudice k?
Oh no that would be too much effort.
NM then.

Show me one piece of evidence that Iraq is making/hording weapons of mass destruction and i'll back a war against him.
Still too much effort?
Looks like it.

Rumsfeld's comments about the lack of evidence being proof that said evidence is just being hidden too well are hilarious. And revealing.
Anyway carry on.

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » January 27, 2003, 11:14 am

But "evil" is only defined by those in power. Evil is also a matter of perspective. The USA has had no qualms about using chemical agents or worse in many of our wars against our enemies. People in power define who is the enemy, who is evil, and when it is ok to commit wrongful acts. I do not trust the current people who are in power in Washington DC. I choose not to believe thier defintion and follow the path they are driving the masses down. Look to other countries' opinions, who have people just as smart and informed as America, and you'll see OMGIAMRETARDEDCAUSEALOTISTWOWORDS of conflict. That conflict is there for a reason.

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » January 27, 2003, 11:15 am

So you think that Saddam will start producing Shirley Temple flicks and dancing in the daisies, if we all just leave him alone?

miir · Post by **miir** » January 27, 2003, 11:22 am

Go find a Kurd in Iraq and ask them, ooooh wait, gonna be hard, he practiced chemical warfare on them. Perhaps you could note the 10 year war with Iran. Maybe the fact that he randomly shot missiles at Israel during Desert Shield/Storm. How do you think Kuwaiti people feel about his good intentions, hell Saudi Arabia was so afraid they let a bunch of people they hate in to help defend against him.

The point being that none of those events have happened in the past 12 years.
Since Iraq is no longer a threat in the middle east, why is Bush threatening to invade them?

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » January 27, 2003, 11:32 am

Miir while I agree that we should not invade Iraq right now, the points of rebuttal you make are seriously flawed/laughable. Really.

miir · Post by **miir** » January 27, 2003, 11:35 am

Miir while I agree that we should not invade Iraq right now, the points of rebuttal you make are seriously flawed/laughable. Really.

Bah, if youre going to point it out, it sort of ruins my attempt at getting those guys to flame me back.

Fash · Post by **Fash** » January 27, 2003, 11:36 am

iraq is a threat in the middle east, lol miir

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » January 27, 2003, 11:37 am

Haha sorry.

vn_Tanc · Post by **vn_Tanc** » January 27, 2003, 12:02 pm

So you think that Saddam will start producing Shirley Temple flicks and dancing in the daisies, if we all just leave him alone?

But of course. /sigh

Given the available information I think Hussein will die of old age and cancer before he is any kind of threat to anyone more than a stone's throw from Baghdad again.

Shaerra · Post by **Shaerra** » January 27, 2003, 12:14 pm

kyoukan type-R wrote: aside from the fact that there has been a worse regime in north korea for the last 50 years and the US has done nothing. africa is full of dictators and warlords that make saddam hussein look like anna nicole smith

WTF kind of logic is this? "America is wrong to go after Saddam, because there are worse people in North Korea and Africa".

The police were wrong to arrest me for stealing a car, because there are rapists out there!

Shaion wrote:Yea, i saw that was a reply to Xyun claiming most american people are idiots, which i do not agree with. But that's not what i am aiming at. All i want to know is if i am being delirious here or if you didn't just claim america is the number one country on the planet ?

Ok, let's hear which country you think is the biggest military power. (Because if you think that being number one means ANYTHING other than who can kill the most people the quickest, you're wrong.)

Cotto · Post by **Cotto** » January 27, 2003, 12:30 pm

Is it ever going to be actually possible to disarm everyone who needs disarming? Who decides who should get disarmed?

miir · Post by **miir** » January 27, 2003, 12:32 pm

WTF kind of logic is this? "America is wrong to go after Saddam, because there are worse people in North Korea and Africa".

The same logic that deems Saddam Hussien to be such a threat to global security that Bush feels the need to remove him from power.

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » January 27, 2003, 12:51 pm

/agree Fairweather. There is a REASON why so many nations are publicly against Bush's plans. To disregard the consensus of the rest of the world is dangerous.

Shaerra, your police analogy doesn't hold water for 2 reasons. 1) we are NOT the police of the world. 2) Kyou's point was that the US uses the "we are the watchdog of the world" card when it's convenient. There is NO consistancy.

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » January 27, 2003, 1:00 pm

Lalanae wrote:/agree Fairweather. There is a REASON why so many nations are publicly against Bush's plans. To disregard the consensus of the rest of the world is dangerous.

Shaerra, your police analogy doesn't hold water for 2 reasons. 1) we are NOT the police of the world. 2) Kyou's point was that the US uses the "we are the watchdog of the world" card when it's convenient. There is NO consistancy.

Lalanae I agree there is no consistancy, but our government changes and sometimes dramatically every 4 years, hard to maintain century long cohesion that way.

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » January 27, 2003, 1:08 pm

that's naive Kylere. The US never involves themselves unless there is a vested economic interest, regardless of what cracker is in the white house. I don't believe for a SECOND that the US government gives two shits about human rights in other countries, but they like to fill their propaganda with a lot of crusading, God-fearing jargon.

Edit: and our govt does NOT change that much every 4 years. Sadly, it doesn't change at all.

vn_Tanc · Post by **vn_Tanc** » January 27, 2003, 1:12 pm

Better add 'filthy liberal' to that sig, Lalanae

Skordopordonikos · Post by **Skordopordonikos** » January 27, 2003, 1:56 pm

There was a reference to those 'liberals' who had the nerve to enact laws that prohibits the US from directly assassinating a nation's leader (shucks Osama, no loophole for you). So now the US trains and funds a small group from that nation and then pulls their agents out. When the guy gets whacked, well.... it wasn't the US that did it. The only reason it doesn't happen more often in recent years is because it's expensive and not very profitable to American companies; a hard sell to Congress.

In regards to the PGW.... Well, that little cleanup operation - the bombing in particular - is conservatively estimated to have killed 150,000 Iraqi soldiers. (most people here would probably deem that an excellent start)

150. Thousand. Wow. And it got almost zero mention on the news. To put it in perspective, there was conflict in and around Vietnam - that had US participants - from the late 50s to the early 70s and the US lost (to combat) over 50,000; roughly how many Americans die on the highway each year if I remember right.

To put it mildly, we seriously fucked them up.

A vast majority of the forces and conventional equipment at Saddam's disposal was destroyed. The US initially agreed to help train and equip the Kurds to topple the regime, but one of the primary Iranian military officers that was supposed to lead the attack, discovered that the op had been leaked to Saddam; he got cold feet and bailed. Shortly thereafter the US bailed, and primarily due to the lack of conventional means to stomp the Kurds, Saddam used some really nasty chemical weapons on the Kurdish villages. Killed thousands of men, women and children - do not look at the pics if you are even remotely squeamish.

As for our brilliant pinpoint bombing missions in Baghdad? The US was seriously concerned about the bad press that they would get if the wrong targets were hit. (CNN was THERE, remember) So the decision was made to use the laser guided bombs.

Well, these bombs follow a laser signal to the target.
Option #1: The laser can be generated from the plane. Difficult, the guy in the plane needs to be able to pick out a particular target - usually at night and with anti-aircraft fire all around, won't even talk about the weather - and paint the target 'til the bomb hits.

Option #2: Somebody on the ground paints the target with a laser 'til the bomb hits, then runs like hell.

Because the US was so hung up about the bad PR of civilian casualties, Option #2 was the 'acceptable' choice. I managed to get one of the Spec Ops guys to talk at least indirectly about this - (I didn't ask about mission, not cricket) but he told me that he had lost many personal friends on the ground; (he didn't say, but if I had to make a guess, probably more than 50 altogether) many of them assumed to have been captured by the Iraqis. Their deaths would not have been pleasant.

What angererd him was not that his friends' lives had been pissed away by some asshats in Wash. that didn't want to look bad; he considered that part of the job. What torched his ass was that these boys' families were lied to about their deaths, that it not only deprived the families of whatever 'purpose' goes with such a sacrifice, but also cost them benefits.

Oh, and before some wise ass says: hey, sounds like the premise to 'The Rock'.... No shit. I wonder who the Hollywood guys talked to.

War sucks my friends... OMGIAMRETARDEDCAUSEALOTISTWOWORDS.

vn_Tanc · Post by **vn_Tanc** » January 27, 2003, 2:00 pm

Apropos of nothing much in particular, if assassinating Saddam was as easy as everyone here seems to think I'm sure the Mossad would have offed him some time in the last 12 years without blinking an eye.

Pubin · Post by **Pubin** » January 27, 2003, 2:22 pm

Maxxer - Valhall wrote:President Bush and Colin Powell are sitting in a bar. A guy walks in and asks the bartender, "Isn't that Bush and Powell sitting over there?"
The bartender says, "Yep, that's them."
So the guy walks over and says, "Wow, this is a real honor. What are you guys doing in here?"
Bush says, "We're planning WW III."
And the guy says, "Really? What's going to happen?"
Bush says, "Well, we're going to kill 140 million Iraqis this time and one blonde with big boobs."
The guy exclaimed, "A blonde with big boobs? Why kill a blonde with big boobs?"
Bush turns to Powell, punches him on the shoulder and says, "See, smart ass? I told you no one would worry about the 140 million Iraqis!"

lol
nobody else commented on that, it deserved recognition.

Anyway all humor aside...
Why do you guys still get worked up over these google educated canadians that hate the US? Didn't you hate those who controlled you during your rebellious stages of maturity? I distinctly remember having angst-filled feelings towards parents, teachers, and most anyone who could tell me when, where, and how to do things. If i lived in a 2nd world country, by god i would hate the US. Just let it go.

vn_Tanc · Post by **vn_Tanc** » January 27, 2003, 2:25 pm

Maxxer - Valhall
No Stars!

Joined: 04 Jul 2002
Posts: 23
Location: Stockholm, Sweden

google educated canadians indeed.

Pubin · Post by **Pubin** » January 27, 2003, 2:35 pm

haha those were two different posts. I was seriously laughing at maxxer's joke. I should change that probably.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » January 27, 2003, 2:50 pm

man pubin are you still going off about search engines because I am smarter than you and make an effort to substantiate my arguments with relevant information? you really are a fucking cry baby. Get over yourself dude. For someone living in probably a trailer in oklahoma you sure throw terms like 2nd world around quite a bit.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » January 27, 2003, 2:55 pm

Atokal wrote:
There are plenty of causes out there Kyoukan, find one and die for it...

kyoukan is using this analogy: A cop stops you for going 20 miles over the speed limit. kyoukan tells the cop, "but that guy was going 25 miles over the speed limit!"

So what? You were both speeding. The cop will call ahead and deal with the other speeder later.

Don't make me bust out my bowl of jello analogy.

miir · Post by **miir** » January 27, 2003, 3:03 pm

A more apt analogy.

A prominent politician is accused of murder.
Police force sends in 20 officers a swat team, snipers and a team of SEALs to apprehend the suspect.

Meanwhile, on the other side of the street, another man has murdered a homeless person in broad daylight... yet no one pays attention

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » January 27, 2003, 3:32 pm

miir wrote:A more apt analogy.

More apt my ass! (I always wanted to say that)

Here's another analogy:

You've got a BB gun. Two birds are eating grass seeds from your newly planted lawn. One has a gimp wing and only one leg...maybe only one good eye as well but that's getting too detailed for this example. Both birds are chowing down bird seed like there's no tomorrow. The more healthy bird might dodge your first shot while the gimpy one is a sure hit. Take out the gimpy bird with the first shot and then you can fully concentrate on eliminating the other pest.

Shaion · Post by **Shaion** » January 27, 2003, 3:44 pm

Shaerra wrote:Ok, let's hear which country you think is the biggest military power. (Because if you think that being number one means ANYTHING other than who can kill the most people the quickest, you're wrong.)

Good. Care to tell me where you saw me mention anything about military power ? Can't ? Exactly, i didn't. But i knew someone would pick the bait and bring it up anyway. All in the attitude. You know why some people seem to "hate" america ? Because of all the vocal cocky, self-centerd few individuals acting like they were gods gift to humanity and reasoning america can do whatever they want simply because they have a shitload of military power and people. Also, most of those seem to know so little about the surounding world, neither care. That's exactly why. Nobody likes to be viewed as the "lesser" country / human.

So, superduper ranking system deluxe seen, as a military power, you have the largest, probably most advanced all around military, the number ONE. Still doesn't give you the reason to act however you may wish (IM NOT SAYING YOU DO).
(I just had to post this, because that was the first thing i thought about when i saw number one

)
http://matt.secondaryfusion.net/temp/su ... mber_1.mov

Krimson Klaw wrote:Yes, America is number one. Hope you have as much patriotism about your homeland too. If not, sorry for you.

I just think people take patriorism far too seriously. Of course everyone loves their own country, but patriorism shouldn't go as far as someone just listening blindly on everything their goverment says without thinking for themselves, never admitting doing something wrong. I love sweden, (except all the icebears in the streets and stuff) but i do disagree with OMGIAMRETARDEDCAUSEALOTISTWOWORDS of things going on and things my goverment is doing. Doesn't mean you aren't patriotic.

Now, would all you americans on this board please DON'T take this as a personal insult on your mother / America / you yourself / every human being in it. Ok ? Im no American hater and this wasn't particulary aimed at anyone on VV. Just trying to give you a view why some people explode. It's the mentality those people are sending out, you being the biggest, the baddest and the best, and everyone else can just stfu and be happy they exist.. There are probably other things as well, i mean i will never forgive you for Anna nicole smith show, jenny jones and rikki lake but nm

All countries have their faults.

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » January 27, 2003, 3:57 pm

Wrong winnow. You take out the healthy bird first cause the lame one is going nowhere. Shoot the lame one first, the healthy one flies away laughing at ya.

rhyae · Post by **rhyae** » January 27, 2003, 3:59 pm

There is absolutely no way to win.
No right answer.
No matter what happens, we look like we stink.

Say everyone pulls out of Iraq, 'sorry big mistake, byebye, we no longer care what you do.'
What happens then?

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » January 27, 2003, 4:07 pm

Krimson Klaw wrote:Wrong winnow. You take out the healthy bird first cause the lame one is going nowhere. Shoot the lame one first, the healthy one flies away laughing at ya.

Flys away...and doesn't eat my grass which in turn gives me time to go buy a scope for my BB gun or upgrade to a pellet gun to give me better shot at the healthier bird next time. : )

I know some freak is going to suggest living in harmony by buying a bird feeder : )

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » January 27, 2003, 4:10 pm

THe healthy bird flew over your head, taking a dump on it. Mission accomplished healthy bird. While you are wiping the goo off your mullet, the lame bird has rabies! and comes and starts pecking on the hole in your tight bluejeans with the skoal circle on the back pocket. lol just kidding dude.

Atokal · Post by **Atokal** » January 27, 2003, 4:16 pm

Winnow wrote:
Krimson Klaw wrote:Wrong winnow. You take out the healthy bird first cause the lame one is going nowhere. Shoot the lame one first, the healthy one flies away laughing at ya.
Flys away...and doesn't eat my grass which in turn gives me time to go buy a scope for my BB gun or upgrade to a pellet gun to give me better shot at the healthier bird next time. : )

I know some freak is going to suggest living in harmony by buying a bird feeder : )

Wrong again, you simply shoot Kyoukan

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » January 27, 2003, 4:17 pm

I can see this debate is going nowhere! It's pure speculation that the healthy bird would take action against the shooter! In this analogy the bird shit, obviously a biological weapon, would reeot gwpt ...erp!

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » January 27, 2003, 4:21 pm

http://www.shelleconomistprize.com/essa ... Gordon.pdf

Sheryl · Post by **Sheryl** » January 27, 2003, 4:22 pm

Arguing about analogies makes the baby jeebus cry.

Atokal wrote:Reading your shit leads me to the conclusion you are an altruistic sewer hole who doesn't know what she believes in.

Main Entry: al·tru·ism
Pronunciation: 'al-tru-"i-z&m
Etymology: French altruisme, from autrui other people, from Old French, oblique case form of autre other, from Latin alter
Date: 1853
1 : unselfish regard for or devotion to the welfare of others
2 : behavior by an animal that is not beneficial to or may be harmful to itself but that benefits others of its species.

Unselfish sewer hole? I don't get it.

Forthe · Post by **Forthe** » January 27, 2003, 5:24 pm

Winnow wrote:A cop stops you for going 20 miles over the speed limit. kyoukan tells the cop, "but that guy was going 25 miles over the speed limit!"

So what? You were both speeding. The cop will call ahead and deal with the other speeder later.

This would be a better analogy if the cop suspected the first guy going over the limit, after all this guy was caught speeding 12 years ago. Then shot him in the head. Then executed his friends and family and pedestrians that happened to be walking by at the time in a similar fashion.

Then he catches up to the guy going 25 miles over the limit. He caught this guy on radar, the driver admits to speeding and taunts hims with it. He then strongly condemns the driver and threatens to give him a ticket if he continues to speed. The driver then protests and states any ticket will be taken as an act of war!

PS. You can't even prove the healthy bird is eating seed.

Sirensa · Post by **Sirensa** » January 27, 2003, 5:46 pm

Moral of the story is:

If you are going to shoot a healthy bird, make sure you don't miss.

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » January 27, 2003, 5:48 pm

Sunserae wrote:Arguing about analogies makes the baby jeebus cry.

Atokal wrote:Reading your shit leads me to the conclusion you are an altruistic sewer hole who doesn't know what she believes in.

Main Entry: al·tru·ism
Pronunciation: 'al-tru-"i-z&m
Etymology: French altruisme, from autrui other people, from Old French, oblique case form of autre other, from Latin alter
Date: 1853
1 : unselfish regard for or devotion to the welfare of others
2 : behavior by an animal that is not beneficial to or may be harmful to itself but that benefits others of its species.
Unselfish sewer hole? I don't get it.

That's because he suffers from Don Kingism

Corona · Post by **Corona** » January 27, 2003, 5:52 pm

No no no, you guys need to think outside the box here. You don't shoot either bird. You just toss a few alka-seltzers out amongst the seed. When they eat it, the decision will be made for you

Brotha · Post by **Brotha** » January 27, 2003, 5:56 pm

There is a REASON why so many nations are publicly against Bush's plans.To disregard the consensus of the rest of the world is dangerous.

So many? You do realize that 20+ countries will support us and all but four countries in the EU are supporting us don't you? Plus France is likely to sign on at the last second like they did at the Gulf War so they don't get left out. All this BS about us "going it alone" or "going against the world" is retarded.

Show me one piece of evidence that Iraq is making/hording weapons of mass destruction and i'll back a war against him.

How can anyone be this naiive? I have to wonder about people, really. In 1998 when inspectors left there were thousands of tons of chemical and biological weapons. Now in 2003 we're back and Iraq is showing zero evidence of what they did with these. Based on all the misleading and lying that Iraq has done, could you honestly say that you believe Iraq has gotten rid of all these weapons?

Do you realize how hard it is for inspectors to find these weapons? Iraq is roughly the size of California and we've sent in 100 inspectors to look for weapons that Iraq has had years to hide.

Given the available information I think Hussein will die of old age and cancer before he is any kind of threat to anyone more than a stone's throw from Baghdad again.

Supplying weapons of mass destruction to terrorists isn't a threat? It's been proven that Iraq does have ties to terrorists organizations that hate the US and it's obvious that Iraq still has these weapons. Do you think if a terrorist came and offered to buy WMD that Iraq would turn them down because of some treaty they signed?

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » January 27, 2003, 6:14 pm

Brotha wrote:
How can anyone be this naiive? I have to wonder about people, really. In 1998 when inspectors left there were thousands of tons of chemical and biological weapons. Now in 2003 we're back and Iraq is showing zero evidence of what they did with these. Based on all the misleading and lying that Iraq has done, could you honestly say that you believe Iraq has gotten rid of all these weapons?

No there were not. Any chemical or bio weapons found in 98 would have been instantly trucked out of the country by the UN. Where the fuck did you read that the weapons inspectors found "thousands of tons" of weapons and just left them there?

What the US government isn't saying is that they know Iraq has chemical and bio weapons because the US government fucking SOLD Saddam the stuff in the first place so Iraq could kill Iranians and their commie allies. Kind of embarrsing for them to give a dictator weapons so he could kill people, and then demand them back at a later date because they are apparently too dangerous a threat for him to have.

This has been an issue even before the first gulf war. Now there's a president in office who's family is in the oil business, a vice president who's made 100's of millions out of oil, a national security advisor who is so fucking entrenched in the oil industry there is a god damn fucking Chevron double hulled OIL TANKER named after her, and now suddenly Iraq is this huge threat to world peace.

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » January 27, 2003, 6:26 pm

If it comes down to their word versus ours, I will back the value of the word of the US government versus the Iraqi government.

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » January 27, 2003, 6:30 pm

YES! Those bastards in the U.S. sold chemical and biological weapons at discount prices to Iraq so they could miss the entire country of Iran with the Scud missiles they were putting it into!!!!11!!!!11! Of course if we were to supply a country with arms, you just *MIGHT* actually see them being used at some point *MAYBE*.

Zamtuk · Post by **Zamtuk** » January 27, 2003, 6:47 pm

Sunserae wrote:Unselfish sewer hole? I don't get it.

Some people think that other people think they are smart for using big words.

Post by **Sylvus** » January 27, 2003, 6:49 pm

Zamtuk wrote:
Sunserae wrote:Unselfish sewer hole? I don't get it.
Some people think that other people think they are smart for using big words.

Which one of those words is big?

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » January 27, 2003, 6:49 pm

Zamtuk wrote:Some people think that other people think they are smart for using big words.

Such thoughts are ludacrist.