This is an area where I can agree with the tea party, I differ with them in that I support single payer. Their "all gubment is bad" stance is actually against their own, and nearly everyone else in the countries' best interest in this area. The federal legislation passed was just the insurance industry getting paid back for the 2008 election.
From a couple sources:
Missouri voters on Tuesday overwhelmingly rejected a federal mandate to purchase health insurance, rebuking President Barack Obama's administration and giving Republicans their first political victory in a national campaign to overturn the controversial health care law passed by Congress in March.
About 71 percent of Missouri voters backed a ballot measure, Proposition C, that would prohibit the government from requiring people to have health insurance or from penalizing them for not having it.
The Missouri law conflicts with a federal requirement that most people have health insurance or face penalties starting in 2014.
"Life is what happens while you're making plans for later."
It was still a loss Spang. I don't know enough about the proposition, but lets not pretend there is a significant portion of the country that is unhappy with Obama right now.
That unhappiness is mostly misplaced. The President is powerful, but he gets the credit in good times and the blame in bad times. Things are not great, so he is losing his approval ratings.
When I was younger, I used to think that the world was doing it to me and that the world owes me some thing…When you're a teeny bopper, that's what you think. I'm 40 now, I don't think that anymore, because I found out it doesn't f--king work. One has to go through that. For the people who even bother to go through that, most assholes just accept what it is anyway and get on with it." - John Lennon
A lot of his poor ratings stem from his arrogance. When a majority of the US is against some bill passing and he throws every effort to ram it through while said people still don't have jobs, he is going to lose points. That has everything to do with him and not just "the times".
Federal law will trump this no matter what at a guess.
Obama (I"m guessing) makes the assumption that people are willing to think for themselves, when they really just want someone to tell them what to think. Which is where sadly enough, Limbaugh and Beck step right in. I don't think it's arrogance.
Also, the democrats certainly aren't very good at winning. They've got the pulpit and still can't get anywhere. Can't really blame that on the GOP.
"Life is what happens while you're making plans for later."
Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:A lot of his poor ratings stem from his arrogance. When a majority of the US is against some bill passing and he throws every effort to ram it through while said people still don't have jobs, he is going to lose points. That has everything to do with him and not just "the times".
When Bush pushes through his policies he's got "conviction" when Obama does it he's "arrogant". Make your mind up or just admit you're a partisan douchebag
May 2003 - "Mission Accomplished"
June 2005 - "The mission isn't easy, and it will not be accomplished overnight"
-- G W Bush, freelance writer for The Daily Show.
I do not think federal law will trump this. There is no constitutional basis for the federal government to be able to enforce their health care mandate....and there IS constitutional basis for states to make laws governing this.
Tyek wrote:It was still a loss Spang. I don't know enough about the proposition, but lets not pretend there is a significant portion of the country that is unhappy with Obama right now.
I don't think we have to *pretend*. I'm pretty sure there *is* a significant portion of the country that is unhappy with Obama right now.
Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:I do not think federal law will trump this. There is no constitutional basis for the federal government to be able to enforce their health care mandate....and there IS constitutional basis for states to make laws governing this.
Yet another judge just proved that the constitution is whatever they want it to be. The best way to defeat Obamacare is to repeal it. Lacking the votes to repeal it in 2011 then the Republican-controlled House can choose to de-fund it.
Aabidano wrote:Also, the democrats certainly aren't very good at winning. They've got the pulpit and still can't get anywhere. Can't really blame that on the GOP.
Uh, yeah you can. Have you ever heard of the filibuster?
For the oppressed, peace is the absence of oppression, but for the oppressor, peace is the absence of resistance.
Where the republicans would yell and scream and wrestle in the mud, the dems seem perfectly happy to roll over get walked on in the face of opposition. Just like they did when they were the minority.
Healthcare of a perfect example of an area where they actually could have either done something useful, or made the republicans look like tools when it failed.
Except that I don't think there was ever any intent to do what they promised in the election so perhaps it's not so great an example.
"Life is what happens while you're making plans for later."
Aabidano wrote:Also, the democrats certainly aren't very good at winning. They've got the pulpit and still can't get anywhere. Can't really blame that on the GOP.
Uh, yeah you can. Have you ever heard of the filibuster?
Ummmm, when the Democrats can't get an Olympia Snow or a Susan Collins to join them then do you think perhaps they should try a more centrist approach? The filibuster is a double-edged sword that bites both the right and the left nearly equally when they veer too far in either direction. So 'blaming' the GOP for using the filibuster is like blaming the Marines for using an M-16 in a firefight. You use the tools of the job.
This is what the Democrats get for not ramming a comprehensive health care bill home when they still had the momentum from the Presidential race with them. They made the mistake of trying to compromise with the GOP when they should have known that most of those assholes were simply going to shit all over whatever was presented. Instead of putting forth the plan they wanted, they wasted a year cobbling together a worthless compromise that doesn't really address any of the issues with our health care system.
Had they stuck to their guns and wrote into law true socialistic health care, broke the GOP filibuster when they still had the votes and clout to do so, people would have been sampling the product for a solid 6-9 months now, and bet your ass that most people would like it.
Instead, nothing's changed, the people who backed Obama the hardest are losing faith, and the Neocons are gaining ground again thumping their Bibles about gays and commies and other such shit that doesn't matter a bit.
"There is at least as much need to curb the cruel greed and arrogance of part of the world of capital, to curb the cruel greed and violence of part of the world of labor, as to check a cruel and unhealthy militarism in international relationships." -Theodore Roosevelt
